Alex Kane is a freelance writer on Israel/Palestine, article is picked up by The Intercept
Wow, openly supporting BDS too. I'm glad to see criticism of Israel start to become more acceptable in mainstream US politics. That article mentions another Representative whose support for BDS has resulted in accusations of antisemitism, which I'm sure this rep will face as well, but progressive Democrats aren't all falling for that one anymore.
Which is also great, since the Israel lobby's conflation of criticism of Israel with antisemitism is hella counterproductive in terms of actually opposing real antisemitism.
Someone whose Chinese is better than mine has reviewed China's public statements about the trade war "truce" with the Americans. The conclusion: it's all bullshit all around!
To start with, there was no joint statement of any kind, which means the two parties could not agree on a common text. That led to each side freely briefing the press on its own interpretation of what the meeting achieved. And the differences are amply apparent.
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Without reaching some kind of compromise with China, Trump’s G20 trip would appear a major failure, especially being the single rogue state in opposition to 19 other members on the action plan to combat climate change.
But the U.S. pause for further escalation may also come from the realization that Trump’s favourite tool of tariffs has not led to the desired outcome of forcing Beijing to make concessions. The Chinese economy and the stock market have been hit by U.S. tariffs, but they are nowhere close to crisis or chaos.
Yeah whoever could of imagined that China wouldn't crumble like an overcooked trump steak when bullied because they know that Trump can't take it to the level where it would hurt them without destroying his own country at the same time.
Yeah whoever could of imagined that China wouldn't crumble like an overcooked trump steak when bullied because they know that Trump can't take it to the level where it would hurt them without destroying his own country at the same time.
It's almost as if mutually beneficial trade benefits both parties mutually.
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Trump realizes that the people he is talking to are actually there, right?
Trump realizes that the people he is talking to are actually there, right?
I mean, I'd assume he's cognizant of their presence if they're in his immediate zone of perception...
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This seems relevant to a couple threads, but I'm going with the general foreign policy one at the moment. Huawei finance chief Meng Wanzhou arrested in Canada and faces extradition to the United States. It appears to be over violations of NK and Iran sanctions. This should really help out with the whole US-China trade war thing too.
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This seems relevant to a couple threads, but I'm going with the general foreign policy one at the moment. Huawei finance chief Meng Wanzhou arrested in Canada and faces extradition to the United States. It appears to be over violations of NK and Iran sanctions. This should really help out with the whole US-China trade war thing too.
That is insane, does the usa claim to have the right to arrest anyone who does business with someone that they dont like? I understand banning their products and even confiscating goods in north american soil, but arresting a foreign citizen over one-sided arbitrary sanctions seems out of line.
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This seems relevant to a couple threads, but I'm going with the general foreign policy one at the moment. Huawei finance chief Meng Wanzhou arrested in Canada and faces extradition to the United States. It appears to be over violations of NK and Iran sanctions. This should really help out with the whole US-China trade war thing too.
That is insane, does the usa claim to have the right to arrest anyone who does business with someone that they dont like? I understand banning their products and even confiscating goods in north american soil, but arresting a foreign citizen over one-sided arbitrary sanctions seems out of line.
IIRC a lot of countries do this, and America is one with the most influence to make this happen. Plus, Canada is an ally. This is why corporations who do business with hostile states or persona non grata states (like Iran or Russia) individuals who do this will get extradited to the US for breaking sanctions. This has been kind of thrown out of whack with Trump a bit but that's how it usually works on the world stage.
The USA has an extradition treaty with Canada and Canada has arrested her for sanction breaking. This isn't unusual and is in fact one of the reasons why the US State Department has been one of the most effective anti-international organised crime groups in the world. What is notable is that in the current circumstances the sanctions are on Iran due to the US unilaterally pulling out of the JCPOA.
Basically this is bad news for Iran, it shows the US is 100% prepared to go after sanction breakers and that is a problem for them given the break between the US and the other signatories of the JCPOA. If she had broken sanctions on Russian businesses with mob connections then I don't think there'd be a negative outcry (which of course is fair, because who is being sanctioned is an important element)
The USA has an extradition treaty with Canada and Canada has arrested her for sanction breaking. This isn't unusual and is in fact one of the reasons why the US State Department has been one of the most effective anti-international organised crime groups in the world. What is notable is that in the current circumstances the sanctions are on Iran due to the US unilaterally pulling out of the JCPOA.
Basically this is bad news for Iran, it shows the US is 100% prepared to go after sanction breakers and that is a problem for them given the break between the US and the other signatories of the JCPOA. If she had broken sanctions on Russian businesses with mob connections then I don't think there'd be a negative outcry (which of course is fair, because who is being sanctioned is an important element)
I would understand it if they arrested a USA citizen breaking the sanctions, but China is part of the deal too, shouldnt she be arrested by China? Or extradited to China at least? My question is, what gives the US justice system governance over foreign citizen that commited no crimes in their territory and whose business is not seated in US territory. If China didnt reinstate the sanctions, then her company was doing legal business, and if China is imposing sanctions again, then the chinese justice should handle it. This sounds like some USA world police bullshit to me.
Yes, with a quick verbal "boom." You take a man's peko, you deny him his dab, all that is left is to rise up and tear down the walls of Jericho with a ".....not!" -TexiKen
Because that is how laws relating to sanction breaking work, and these people do not have diplomatic immunity based on their citizenship.
Just like how Mueller has indicted Russians for crimes committed in Russia in violation of US law, this woman has been arrested in Canada by Canada for breach of US law in China (or wharever)
Edit: I'm not saying I agree with the sanctions but the concept is not some sort of new precedent and nobody gets upset about it when it's some sort of human trafficking monster.
The USA has an extradition treaty with Canada and Canada has arrested her for sanction breaking. This isn't unusual and is in fact one of the reasons why the US State Department has been one of the most effective anti-international organised crime groups in the world. What is notable is that in the current circumstances the sanctions are on Iran due to the US unilaterally pulling out of the JCPOA.
Basically this is bad news for Iran, it shows the US is 100% prepared to go after sanction breakers and that is a problem for them given the break between the US and the other signatories of the JCPOA. If she had broken sanctions on Russian businesses with mob connections then I don't think there'd be a negative outcry (which of course is fair, because who is being sanctioned is an important element)
I would understand it if they arrested a USA citizen breaking the sanctions, but China is part of the deal too, shouldnt she be arrested by China? Or extradited to China at least? My question is, what gives the US justice system governance over foreign citizen that commited no crimes in their territory and whose business is not seated in US territory. If China didnt reinstate the sanctions, then her company was doing legal business, and if China is imposing sanctions again, then the chinese justice should handle it. This sounds like some USA world police bullshit to me.
The US simply got to her first. She obviously did business which got both China and the US after her, one of the two was bound to pick her up and both have a long reach. By breaking US sanctions they had as much a right to her as China does. The bigger worry about this is how China will react to this since they want her for breaking their laws. Sanctions from hostile countries are serious charges, not everything the US does to arrest foreign citizens is bullshit.
This is some serious horse shit. China is going to fuck us sideways and canada should have had the good sense to not arrest her.
Good sense? Fucking please dude, get some common sense. You don't get to spend decades playing the biggest bully in the room and then complain when the smaller countries around you, especially the ones with enormous economic ties to your country, just let you have your way. Especially with the belligerent vindictive asshole y'all decided should run the place.
This is some serious horse shit. China is going to fuck us sideways and canada should have had the good sense to not arrest her.
Good sense? Fucking please dude, get some common sense. You don't get to spend decades playing the biggest bully in the room and then complain when the smaller countries around you, especially the ones with enormous economic ties to your country, just let you have your way. Especially with the belligerent vindictive asshole y'all decided should run the place.
I think that's wrong too!
I can disagree with any number of terrible practices!
edit: and I didn't see where there were any chinese laws broken. They just seemed to want her release.
This is some serious horse shit. China is going to fuck us sideways and canada should have had the good sense to not arrest her.
Canada is our closest ally. They see pacifying the hornets underneath their feet as more important than the wasps across the river. And Canada doesn't do a huge amount of business with China. They aren't really reliant on China and could do without them with some mild discomfort.
It's simply in Canada's self interest.
Now the Canadian government is also quite good at getting out of sticky situations (syrup) and I think what'll happen is the extradition trial will go on and they'll end up extradited back in China. Canada will blame their court system and apologize, China and the US will blame each other.
This is some serious horse shit. China is going to fuck us sideways and canada should have had the good sense to not arrest her.
Canada is our closest ally. They see pacifying the hornets underneath their feet as more important than the wasps across the river. And Canada doesn't do a huge amount of business with China. They aren't really reliant on China and could do without them with some mild discomfort.
It's simply in Canada's self interest.
Now the Canadian government is also quite good at getting out of sticky situations (syrup) and I think what'll happen is the extradition trial will go on and they'll end up back in China. Canada will blame their court system and apologize, China and the US will blame each other.
agreed and I don't think that bodes well for either nation
The USA has an extradition treaty with Canada and Canada has arrested her for sanction breaking. This isn't unusual and is in fact one of the reasons why the US State Department has been one of the most effective anti-international organised crime groups in the world. What is notable is that in the current circumstances the sanctions are on Iran due to the US unilaterally pulling out of the JCPOA.
Basically this is bad news for Iran, it shows the US is 100% prepared to go after sanction breakers and that is a problem for them given the break between the US and the other signatories of the JCPOA. If she had broken sanctions on Russian businesses with mob connections then I don't think there'd be a negative outcry (which of course is fair, because who is being sanctioned is an important element)
I would understand it if they arrested a USA citizen breaking the sanctions, but China is part of the deal too, shouldnt she be arrested by China? Or extradited to China at least? My question is, what gives the US justice system governance over foreign citizen that commited no crimes in their territory and whose business is not seated in US territory. If China didnt reinstate the sanctions, then her company was doing legal business, and if China is imposing sanctions again, then the chinese justice should handle it. This sounds like some USA world police bullshit to me.
The US simply got to her first. She obviously did business which got both China and the US after her, one of the two was bound to pick her up and both have a long reach. By breaking US sanctions they had as much a right to her as China does. The bigger worry about this is how China will react to this since they want her for breaking their laws. Sanctions from hostile countries are serious charges, not everything the US does to arrest foreign citizens is bullshit.
Nothing in the article indicates that she is wanted for anything in China. If she ends up extradited anywhere, it will be to the US.
Because that is how laws relating to sanction breaking work, and these people do not have diplomatic immunity based on their citizenship.
Just like how Mueller has indicted Russians for crimes committed in Russia in violation of US law, this woman has been arrested in Canada by Canada for breach of US law in China (or wharever)
Edit: I'm not saying I agree with the sanctions but the concept is not some sort of new precedent and nobody gets upset about it when it's some sort of human trafficking monster.
Those Russians were indicted for hacking computers that were in the US. That's far different than arresting someone for breaking sanctions via transactions that don't involve the US in any way. This is going to be fun for Europe, since they're working to setup workarounds that would enable trade to continue with Iran.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
Because that is how laws relating to sanction breaking work, and these people do not have diplomatic immunity based on their citizenship.
Just like how Mueller has indicted Russians for crimes committed in Russia in violation of US law, this woman has been arrested in Canada by Canada for breach of US law in China (or wharever)
Edit: I'm not saying I agree with the sanctions but the concept is not some sort of new precedent and nobody gets upset about it when it's some sort of human trafficking monster.
I have no idea how those laws work, it just sounds counterintuitive to arrest someone for doing something that is legal in the place where it was made, and it doesnt involve the USA in any way. Sounds like an incredible overreach, at this point I just hope China answers in full strenght with sanctions and arrests of their own.
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Especially since the woman just behind him was cracking up. I must find out who she is.
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So, when news gets back to Trump that Mexico and Canada are laughing at his stumbling buffonery, who is he going to attack on Twitter first?
he's gotta have the biggest and boldest signature
Which is also great, since the Israel lobby's conflation of criticism of Israel with antisemitism is hella counterproductive in terms of actually opposing real antisemitism.
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I ignored the news for the most part this weekend. But now I'm being caught up. Yikes.
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It's almost as if mutually beneficial trade benefits both parties mutually.
I mean, I'd assume he's cognizant of their presence if they're in his immediate zone of perception...
That is insane, does the usa claim to have the right to arrest anyone who does business with someone that they dont like? I understand banning their products and even confiscating goods in north american soil, but arresting a foreign citizen over one-sided arbitrary sanctions seems out of line.
IIRC a lot of countries do this, and America is one with the most influence to make this happen. Plus, Canada is an ally. This is why corporations who do business with hostile states or persona non grata states (like Iran or Russia) individuals who do this will get extradited to the US for breaking sanctions. This has been kind of thrown out of whack with Trump a bit but that's how it usually works on the world stage.
Basically this is bad news for Iran, it shows the US is 100% prepared to go after sanction breakers and that is a problem for them given the break between the US and the other signatories of the JCPOA. If she had broken sanctions on Russian businesses with mob connections then I don't think there'd be a negative outcry (which of course is fair, because who is being sanctioned is an important element)
I would understand it if they arrested a USA citizen breaking the sanctions, but China is part of the deal too, shouldnt she be arrested by China? Or extradited to China at least? My question is, what gives the US justice system governance over foreign citizen that commited no crimes in their territory and whose business is not seated in US territory. If China didnt reinstate the sanctions, then her company was doing legal business, and if China is imposing sanctions again, then the chinese justice should handle it. This sounds like some USA world police bullshit to me.
Just like how Mueller has indicted Russians for crimes committed in Russia in violation of US law, this woman has been arrested in Canada by Canada for breach of US law in China (or wharever)
Edit: I'm not saying I agree with the sanctions but the concept is not some sort of new precedent and nobody gets upset about it when it's some sort of human trafficking monster.
The US simply got to her first. She obviously did business which got both China and the US after her, one of the two was bound to pick her up and both have a long reach. By breaking US sanctions they had as much a right to her as China does. The bigger worry about this is how China will react to this since they want her for breaking their laws. Sanctions from hostile countries are serious charges, not everything the US does to arrest foreign citizens is bullshit.
Good sense? Fucking please dude, get some common sense. You don't get to spend decades playing the biggest bully in the room and then complain when the smaller countries around you, especially the ones with enormous economic ties to your country, just let you have your way. Especially with the belligerent vindictive asshole y'all decided should run the place.
I think that's wrong too!
I can disagree with any number of terrible practices!
edit: and I didn't see where there were any chinese laws broken. They just seemed to want her release.
It's simply in Canada's self interest.
Now the Canadian government is also quite good at getting out of sticky situations (syrup) and I think what'll happen is the extradition trial will go on and they'll end up extradited back in China. Canada will blame their court system and apologize, China and the US will blame each other.
agreed and I don't think that bodes well for either nation
Nothing in the article indicates that she is wanted for anything in China. If she ends up extradited anywhere, it will be to the US.
Those Russians were indicted for hacking computers that were in the US. That's far different than arresting someone for breaking sanctions via transactions that don't involve the US in any way. This is going to be fun for Europe, since they're working to setup workarounds that would enable trade to continue with Iran.
I have no idea how those laws work, it just sounds counterintuitive to arrest someone for doing something that is legal in the place where it was made, and it doesnt involve the USA in any way. Sounds like an incredible overreach, at this point I just hope China answers in full strenght with sanctions and arrests of their own.
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