So I'm in origins, having a fine time with Bayek being morally conflicted egyptian batman, and I just
Killed the old lady, the crocodile
I'm getting kinda burnt out, though I largely enjoyed the game, and am wondering how much more there is? I don't give a SINGLE care about any of the cyberdyme whatever the hell in the cave. But I'm already using the cheat engine so I don't have to level up, but am wondering just how much more I need to pull through to see this out?
I do love however
Bayek's growing conflicted nature about his wife as a killer. He was all ready to do what he needed to do and be done with it, but no, his wife is absolutely an independent bad ass, which he loves, but worries about her soul being as bloody as his. And going from the smaller scale getting revenge on your kids killers to the larger scale taking on the mantle of trying to make a better egypt was nice in that it was her idea and he is very ride or die about it with her. But ugh I kinda hope cleopatra does a big enough heel turn that we can take her out too. She sucks.
So I'm in origins, having a fine time with Bayek being morally conflicted egyptian batman, and I just
Killed the old lady, the crocodile
I'm getting kinda burnt out, though I largely enjoyed the game, and am wondering how much more there is? I don't give a SINGLE care about any of the cyberdyme whatever the hell in the cave. But I'm already using the cheat engine so I don't have to level up, but am wondering just how much more I need to pull through to see this out?
I do love however
Bayek's growing conflicted nature about his wife as a killer. He was all ready to do what he needed to do and be done with it, but no, his wife is absolutely an independent bad ass, which he loves, but worries about her soul being as bloody as his. And going from the smaller scale getting revenge on your kids killers to the larger scale taking on the mantle of trying to make a better egypt was nice in that it was her idea and he is very ride or die about it with her. But ugh I kinda hope cleopatra does a big enough heel turn that we can take her out too. She sucks.
pretty close, iirc. Looking at the menu, there are
only three hidden targets left, and I feel fairly sure they happen in fairly quick succession
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Finished Odyssey today.
Which, with the patches working in hooks for the new Atlantis DLC stuff, means that my ending was a big splash menu saying "GET READY FOR THE FATE OF ATLANTIS, COMING SOON". Always fun to have the ending of a game be an ad for having to buy the ending of the game.
Family all lived, and yeah, the switch from murder machine Deimos to repentant son Alexios was jarring. But then he started drunkenly wrestling Stentor, so I'll allow it.
Didn't like how the Cult stuff ended. I basically knew who the leader would be after Perikles died and in the end, it didn't feel like the game justified killing Aspasia, despite her position. She was both the leader of a secret cabal that tried to rule over ancient Greece by violence, war, lies and deceit, and also that one mook in Iron Man 3 who throws down his gun and goes "I never liked these guys".
And also the Cult was actually the Assassins? They're Chaos and Layla says she works for Chaos, while Kassandra ending the Cult brings about the sort of Order that we see later assassins fight against. Assassin's Creed Odyssey is actually Templar Creed Origins?
Non-story wise, I miss the old style of AC games, honestly. I miss it being one or two huge cities, I miss the social stealth aspect, I miss running on rooftops. There's a bit of Athens where running on rooftops is viable, and I want more of that again. I don't think I'll get it, I don't think they'll ever go back to that style of game, but... I think it'd be incredibly interesting to see what Ubisoft could do if they decided to make a new AC game in the vein of Assassin's Creed 1.
I don't think the Cult being the Assassins quite tracks. I don't remember the specific dialogue you reference about order and chaos, but between the ending of Origins and the First Blade DLC makes it clear the breakdown is something like:
The Assassins arise from the Hidden Ones in Egypt, who themselves are operating on some precepts established by Darius, who killed the emperor of Persia. We haven't seen how but it's evident that some of that knowledge and the specific use of the Hidden Blade has been spreading in the centuries between Odyssey and Origins
The Templars seem to arise from a more diffuse collection of conspiracy groups who attempt to control their own corners of the ancient world. The Cult of Kosmos is destroyed, but they operate pretty much exactly on the same pattern as the Order of Ancients, who were clearly more successful in both Persia and later Egypt. I think the Cult's existence largely just drives home the idea such groups will always arise to impose control
I don't really see any similarity between the Cult and the Assassins. The Cult is absolutely all about order, not chaos
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It's Pythagoras showing up when Kassandra touches the pyramid the Cult worships.
"It was never supposed to be like this.
Decades ago, a group of people gathered together to uphold a theory which they believed could control the universe. That the world functioned in equal parts, order and disorder. But some fell lovingly into the wicked arms of chaos. And the Cult of Kosmos was born. They abused their power, casting the Greek world into eternal war - one you were created to stop. In destroying the Cult, you have done what I could not. You are a hero.
But this imbalance comes with a price, my child.
For without chaos, there is supreme order. A loss of progression and freedom. But there is still hope - hope in you, hope in the future you will bring. We must fix the mistakes of the past. Use the staff. Repair the rift in the universe.
The world depends on you, Kassandra. You need to be the hero again."
Aspasia then talks about how in the future there'd be order under the reign of a philosopher king, but that she couldn't achieve this future with the Cult and their "chaotic regime". And then when Layla meets Kassandra, Kassandra talks about having tried to bring an end to chaos and it led to ruin, while Layla says that she used to assist order but now fights for chaos.
I don't mean that there's a direct link between the Cult and the Assassins, but on the larger scale they're both on the Chaos side, while the Templars are on the Order side. And Kassandra and Pythagoras' talk about imbalance and how ending chaos brought ruin sounds like Kassandra's actions triggered the status quo of all the following AC games, where the Templars are directly or indirectly in power and the Assassins are the rebellion.
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I mean, they're Assassin's Creed story-dumps. It's a long-running tradition that they be written at the last possible moment in a mad rush by whatever member of the writing team that's been awake the longest and downed the most energy drinks to compensate.
Man seeing how the America games all connect up again reminds me that I just really fucking love this stupid series and its needlessly dense lore, y'all
It's Pythagoras showing up when Kassandra touches the pyramid the Cult worships.
"It was never supposed to be like this.
Decades ago, a group of people gathered together to uphold a theory which they believed could control the universe. That the world functioned in equal parts, order and disorder. But some fell lovingly into the wicked arms of chaos. And the Cult of Kosmos was born. They abused their power, casting the Greek world into eternal war - one you were created to stop. In destroying the Cult, you have done what I could not. You are a hero.
But this imbalance comes with a price, my child.
For without chaos, there is supreme order. A loss of progression and freedom. But there is still hope - hope in you, hope in the future you will bring. We must fix the mistakes of the past. Use the staff. Repair the rift in the universe.
The world depends on you, Kassandra. You need to be the hero again."
Aspasia then talks about how in the future there'd be order under the reign of a philosopher king, but that she couldn't achieve this future with the Cult and their "chaotic regime". And then when Layla meets Kassandra, Kassandra talks about having tried to bring an end to chaos and it led to ruin, while Layla says that she used to assist order but now fights for chaos.
I don't mean that there's a direct link between the Cult and the Assassins, but on the larger scale they're both on the Chaos side, while the Templars are on the Order side. And Kassandra and Pythagoras' talk about imbalance and how ending chaos brought ruin sounds like Kassandra's actions triggered the status quo of all the following AC games, where the Templars are directly or indirectly in power and the Assassins are the rebellion.
I agree with all that, but...
...the Cult shares the style of the Templars. It's a top-down hierarchical organization that survives by covertly manipulating people and events. I'm not really an AC lore nerd, but I kind of remember that the Assassins exist entirely to oppose the Templars and to keep them from ruling the world. That feels more like Kassandra's relationship to the Cult. She opposes the Cult because she hates them and what they've done, not because she has her own opposing vision of how the world should be organized.
If you rephrase the conflict from Order vs. Chaos to Control vs. Freedom, then the Cult vs. Kassandra definitely mirrors Templars vs. Assassins.
On a more meta level, I also think that...
Sorta-libertarian homicidal ubermensches vs totalitarian conspiracy collectivists is probably no longer the central conflict that Ubi wants to drive their lore. It's just not a good look in 2019. I suspect that they'll move future stories in a direction that adds more ambiguity to the ideologies of the Assassins and Templars.
I just finished up episode 1 of the Fate of Atlantis DLC and it was pretty fucking cool!
episode 2 drops tomorrow but I'm going to wait and play 2 and 3 together
The most recent lost tales of Greece free quest is hilarious, I love it
The more you help people in this town
the more they keep getting killed in hilarious accidents, much to the bemused chagrin of kassandra. They definitely responded to everyone loving how testiclays died
I can’t believe how good these free tales missions have been. Normally this kind of post game stuff is misc quest central, but they’re all fantastic and have some memorable characters and quite a bit of meat on the bones
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Which, with the patches working in hooks for the new Atlantis DLC stuff, means that my ending was a big splash menu saying "GET READY FOR THE FATE OF ATLANTIS, COMING SOON". Always fun to have the ending of a game be an ad for having to buy the ending of the game.
Family all lived, and yeah, the switch from murder machine Deimos to repentant son Alexios was jarring. But then he started drunkenly wrestling Stentor, so I'll allow it.
Didn't like how the Cult stuff ended. I basically knew who the leader would be after Perikles died and in the end, it didn't feel like the game justified killing Aspasia, despite her position. She was both the leader of a secret cabal that tried to rule over ancient Greece by violence, war, lies and deceit, and also that one mook in Iron Man 3 who throws down his gun and goes "I never liked these guys".
And also the Cult was actually the Assassins? They're Chaos and Layla says she works for Chaos, while Kassandra ending the Cult brings about the sort of Order that we see later assassins fight against. Assassin's Creed Odyssey is actually Templar Creed Origins?
Non-story wise, I miss the old style of AC games, honestly. I miss it being one or two huge cities, I miss the social stealth aspect, I miss running on rooftops. There's a bit of Athens where running on rooftops is viable, and I want more of that again. I don't think I'll get it, I don't think they'll ever go back to that style of game, but... I think it'd be incredibly interesting to see what Ubisoft could do if they decided to make a new AC game in the vein of Assassin's Creed 1.
Yeah, I jokingly say that the old games were foot games, where you can explore the majority of the game on foot and everything happens up close. These are now horse games and a bunch of the combat is about sniping people off at a distance with a bow, which is fine (it's fun), but it isn't why I got into the game to begin with.
I just finished up episode 1 of the Fate of Atlantis DLC and it was pretty fucking cool!
episode 2 drops tomorrow but I'm going to wait and play 2 and 3 together
I'm only a couple hours into Episode 2 but I think the writing blows Episode 1 out of the fucking water.
Since Origins and Odyssey have dropped social stealth entirely I believe they have also dropped tailing missions. I certainly don't recall any in these games. I imagine Unity and Syndicate still have a few
Black Flag also innovated by introducing boat stealth, an even worse stealth
Really I wouldn’t mind it so much if all the stealth missions didn’t have a “don’t get spotted” bonus objective. You want 100% sync so this absolutely turns all those missions into reload-if-spotted. Really discourages experimentation with the otherwise solid tool set.
I rag but Black Flag is easily my favorite one up to that point.
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Since Origins and Odyssey have dropped social stealth entirely I believe they have also dropped tailing missions. I certainly don't recall any in these games. I imagine Unity and Syndicate still have a few
I don't recall many in Unity(and Syndicate, but it's been awhile) and if they were there, generally unoffensive.
this just in: the Hades boss fight at the end of the second episode is some absolute bullshit garbage, and what's worse, it's bullshit garbage that goes on forever
this just in: the Hades boss fight at the end of the second episode is some absolute bullshit garbage, and what's worse, it's bullshit garbage that goes on forever
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and if the answer is no, I have a follow up question, which is why the fuck not
and I'm still very put out by it not being an option, even through transmogrify.
It's the one big mark against it I think
I do love however
pretty close, iirc. Looking at the menu, there are
Family all lived, and yeah, the switch from murder machine Deimos to repentant son Alexios was jarring. But then he started drunkenly wrestling Stentor, so I'll allow it.
Didn't like how the Cult stuff ended. I basically knew who the leader would be after Perikles died and in the end, it didn't feel like the game justified killing Aspasia, despite her position. She was both the leader of a secret cabal that tried to rule over ancient Greece by violence, war, lies and deceit, and also that one mook in Iron Man 3 who throws down his gun and goes "I never liked these guys".
And also the Cult was actually the Assassins? They're Chaos and Layla says she works for Chaos, while Kassandra ending the Cult brings about the sort of Order that we see later assassins fight against. Assassin's Creed Odyssey is actually Templar Creed Origins?
Non-story wise, I miss the old style of AC games, honestly. I miss it being one or two huge cities, I miss the social stealth aspect, I miss running on rooftops. There's a bit of Athens where running on rooftops is viable, and I want more of that again. I don't think I'll get it, I don't think they'll ever go back to that style of game, but... I think it'd be incredibly interesting to see what Ubisoft could do if they decided to make a new AC game in the vein of Assassin's Creed 1.
The Assassins arise from the Hidden Ones in Egypt, who themselves are operating on some precepts established by Darius, who killed the emperor of Persia. We haven't seen how but it's evident that some of that knowledge and the specific use of the Hidden Blade has been spreading in the centuries between Odyssey and Origins
The Templars seem to arise from a more diffuse collection of conspiracy groups who attempt to control their own corners of the ancient world. The Cult of Kosmos is destroyed, but they operate pretty much exactly on the same pattern as the Order of Ancients, who were clearly more successful in both Persia and later Egypt. I think the Cult's existence largely just drives home the idea such groups will always arise to impose control
I don't really see any similarity between the Cult and the Assassins. The Cult is absolutely all about order, not chaos
"It was never supposed to be like this.
Decades ago, a group of people gathered together to uphold a theory which they believed could control the universe. That the world functioned in equal parts, order and disorder. But some fell lovingly into the wicked arms of chaos. And the Cult of Kosmos was born. They abused their power, casting the Greek world into eternal war - one you were created to stop. In destroying the Cult, you have done what I could not. You are a hero.
But this imbalance comes with a price, my child.
For without chaos, there is supreme order. A loss of progression and freedom. But there is still hope - hope in you, hope in the future you will bring. We must fix the mistakes of the past. Use the staff. Repair the rift in the universe.
The world depends on you, Kassandra. You need to be the hero again."
Aspasia then talks about how in the future there'd be order under the reign of a philosopher king, but that she couldn't achieve this future with the Cult and their "chaotic regime". And then when Layla meets Kassandra, Kassandra talks about having tried to bring an end to chaos and it led to ruin, while Layla says that she used to assist order but now fights for chaos.
I don't mean that there's a direct link between the Cult and the Assassins, but on the larger scale they're both on the Chaos side, while the Templars are on the Order side. And Kassandra and Pythagoras' talk about imbalance and how ending chaos brought ruin sounds like Kassandra's actions triggered the status quo of all the following AC games, where the Templars are directly or indirectly in power and the Assassins are the rebellion.
I remember now that I thought those speeches were kinda muddled, and still do
I agree with all that, but...
If you rephrase the conflict from Order vs. Chaos to Control vs. Freedom, then the Cult vs. Kassandra definitely mirrors Templars vs. Assassins.
On a more meta level, I also think that...
episode 2 drops tomorrow but I'm going to wait and play 2 and 3 together
The more you help people in this town
I can’t believe how good these free tales missions have been. Normally this kind of post game stuff is misc quest central, but they’re all fantastic and have some memorable characters and quite a bit of meat on the bones
Yeah, I jokingly say that the old games were foot games, where you can explore the majority of the game on foot and everything happens up close. These are now horse games and a bunch of the combat is about sniping people off at a distance with a bow, which is fine (it's fun), but it isn't why I got into the game to begin with.
Satans..... hints.....
I'm only a couple hours into Episode 2 but I think the writing blows Episode 1 out of the fucking water.
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I’m at 84% and I must have one-starred half the damn missions in the game because they had a tailing section
I know nobody there is checking the Black Flag user ratings anymore and by god I hope later games have less of those.
Probably especially for me but god I wish there was more of it.
I would like a return to something like the earlier games
AssBro might still be my favorite game in the series
Really I wouldn’t mind it so much if all the stealth missions didn’t have a “don’t get spotted” bonus objective. You want 100% sync so this absolutely turns all those missions into reload-if-spotted. Really discourages experimentation with the otherwise solid tool set.
I rag but Black Flag is easily my favorite one up to that point.
I don't recall many in Unity(and Syndicate, but it's been awhile) and if they were there, generally unoffensive.
While my crew is bellowing WEIGH ME BOYS TO CUBA
Well, that’s back in my head. May as well listen to the real thing.
https://open.spotify.com/track/7I5Io7uuk6kFvFe16Wm3xZ?si=9G6kJxldSuO1rmkpbrZxdA
more interesting to me is a Discovery Tour. I still need to go back through the one for Origins.
Oh, so I can now adapt episodes of Xena into AC: Odyssey???
There's going to be a concert tour, but I'm not sure whether that had ever been announced beforehand.
The Odyssey team has apparently been working on a Greek Myth flavored open world game in the mode of Breath of the Wild.
heavy on the 'adapt', but yeah, I don't see why not.
if, like me, you ended up with helix credits as part of the original purchase, it might be worth checking out.
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It was definitely a little bit too long though, I agree.
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