Why am I expecting to see stories of people hiding neighbor families in their basements over the weekend during ICE raids. This just feels way too much like what was done in Germany 80 years ago and they already have detained legal citizens because they felt like it. I see ICE grabbing anybody of color in a shoot now asks questions later sort of thing.
Why am I expecting to see stories of people hiding neighbor families in their basements over the weekend during ICE raids. This just feels way too much like what was done in Germany 80 years ago and they already have detained legal citizens because they felt like it. I see ICE grabbing anybody of color in a shoot now asks questions later sort of thing.
The worst one was the guy they held for years, and because of some legalistic bullshit, the statute of limitations on wrongful imprisonment expired while he was STILL IN CUSTODY. Because the clock apparently starts from the beginning of your incarceration.
It was so fucking awful, and I bet one of the fuckers involved here knows about it, and thinks it's a blueprint for how to do it "right".
Why am I expecting to see stories of people hiding neighbor families in their basements over the weekend during ICE raids. This just feels way too much like what was done in Germany 80 years ago and they already have detained legal citizens because they felt like it. I see ICE grabbing anybody of color in a shoot now asks questions later sort of thing.
Right after the 2016 election, I drove I-26 through South Carolina. For the entire hundreds mile drive, I saw multiple state and local law enforcement agencies pulling over only Hispanic residents, usually families. With every car, the officers had piled the families belongings outside the car and was making the family sit on the grass.
They've been practicing this for awhile. Now that the Dems have shown themselves unwilling or unable to stop it, expect it to steadily increase.
There's going to be legal action filed as soon as the executive order is signed to stop it. I dunno if they're going for the theater of it knowing it won't hold up, or if Trump is actually dumb and thinks executive orders are unilateral power with zero boundaries whatsoever.
I think they're determined and/or desperate to stop an accurate census, and more representation of brown people, by any means/costs. This is a literal once-in-a-decade opportunity for them, at a demographic crisis point for the party.
They're not going to back down, and we shouldn't.
I’m honestly surprised they care that much given the SC said they’re quite openly allowed to draw districts for partisan gain.
Really the only benefit beyond that is EC votes, but I would imagine they want Texas to have more of them...
What am I missing?
More ec votes mean more representatives means its easier to gerrymander
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There's going to be legal action filed as soon as the executive order is signed to stop it. I dunno if they're going for the theater of it knowing it won't hold up, or if Trump is actually dumb and thinks executive orders are unilateral power with zero boundaries whatsoever.
I think they're determined and/or desperate to stop an accurate census, and more representation of brown people, by any means/costs. This is a literal once-in-a-decade opportunity for them, at a demographic crisis point for the party.
They're not going to back down, and we shouldn't.
I’m honestly surprised they care that much given the SC said they’re quite openly allowed to draw districts for partisan gain.
Really the only benefit beyond that is EC votes, but I would imagine they want Texas to have more of them...
What am I missing?
More ec votes mean more representatives means its easier to gerrymander
That's not how any of that works.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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Why am I expecting to see stories of people hiding neighbor families in their basements over the weekend during ICE raids. This just feels way too much like what was done in Germany 80 years ago and they already have detained legal citizens because they felt like it. I see ICE grabbing anybody of color in a shoot now asks questions later sort of thing.
Right after the 2016 election, I drove I-26 through South Carolina. For the entire hundreds mile drive, I saw multiple state and local law enforcement agencies pulling over only Hispanic residents, usually families. With every car, the officers had piled the families belongings outside the car and was making the family sit on the grass.
They've been practicing this for awhile. Now that the Dems have shown themselves unwilling or unable to stop it, expect it to steadily increase.
Honestly if I were a person of color I would install a dash cam in my car because this is bonkers.
Why am I expecting to see stories of people hiding neighbor families in their basements over the weekend during ICE raids. This just feels way too much like what was done in Germany 80 years ago and they already have detained legal citizens because they felt like it. I see ICE grabbing anybody of color in a shoot now asks questions later sort of thing.
Right after the 2016 election, I drove I-26 through South Carolina. For the entire hundreds mile drive, I saw multiple state and local law enforcement agencies pulling over only Hispanic residents, usually families. With every car, the officers had piled the families belongings outside the car and was making the family sit on the grass.
They've been practicing this for awhile. Now that the Dems have shown themselves unwilling or unable to stop it, expect it to steadily increase.
Honestly if I were a person of color I would install a dash cam in my car because this is bonkers.
Doesn't really matter. We have videos of crimes being committed by police officers it doesn't change the narrative sadly.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
According to the Washington Post, Congress is gonna have to hammer out agreement on both the debt ceiling and a spending bill to avoid a government shutdown come September.
The White House is pushing congressional leaders to strike a spending deal and increase the debt limit in the next two or three weeks, jolted by a recent report that found the Treasury Department was running out of cash much faster than previously forecasted.
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White House officials have said the debt ceiling must be raised by early September to ensure the government can pay its bills. And spending on many federal programs expires at the end of September, requiring a separate deal to prevent a government shutdown.
Even if you think using the debt ceiling as leverage should be off the table, Democrats could still get another shot at using a shutdown as leverage for something concrete.
There's going to be legal action filed as soon as the executive order is signed to stop it. I dunno if they're going for the theater of it knowing it won't hold up, or if Trump is actually dumb and thinks executive orders are unilateral power with zero boundaries whatsoever.
I think they're determined and/or desperate to stop an accurate census, and more representation of brown people, by any means/costs. This is a literal once-in-a-decade opportunity for them, at a demographic crisis point for the party.
They're not going to back down, and we shouldn't.
I’m honestly surprised they care that much given the SC said they’re quite openly allowed to draw districts for partisan gain.
Really the only benefit beyond that is EC votes, but I would imagine they want Texas to have more of them...
What am I missing?
More ec votes mean more representatives means its easier to gerrymander
It’s not necessarily easier to gerrymander, but more House seats for Republicans isnt going to make anything better.
Dems in the Senate are now pushing a bill to make family separation illegal and what not. Schumer's a co-sponsor, Merkeley's behind it, every Dem running for president in the Senate is a co-sponsor. Tactics here are baffling.
Adam Jentleson (Reid deputy Chief of Staff) has been proposing debt ceiling shenanigans to force something like this through which eeeek
I'm assuming the tactics here are nonexistent.
This obviously won't get anywhere thanks to GOP. But schumer et al hopes it will look like dems are standing up to the nazis, which I assume they hope will wash away the stink of giving the nazis 4.7 billion dollars last week.
So pro funding nazis, and pro looking like they care but don't have to follow through.
Quick pro tip. If you only control one half of one third of the government, the only thing you can really do is block things from happening. Like last week when that didn’t happen. Proposing bills you want to pass is mostly theater. So in summation, fuck off Chuck.
Dems in the Senate are now pushing a bill to make family separation illegal and what not. Schumer's a co-sponsor, Merkeley's behind it, every Dem running for president in the Senate is a co-sponsor. Tactics here are baffling.
Adam Jentleson (Reid deputy Chief of Staff) has been proposing debt ceiling shenanigans to force something like this through which eeeek
No. Just fucking no. That's the one lever you don't fucking pull.
Meaning either it's a bluff when they call you on it, in which you look even more feckless, and also give more power to Republicans to use it for negotiations, or you don't bluff, and you destroy the world economy.
The blowing up the filibuster has been nicknamed "the nuclear option". That's just politics. Fucking with the debt ceiling is the nuclear option.
In that you've gotta be fucking nuts to use it.
You wanna fuck with the budget and another shutdown? Fine. But not this. This is NOT a fucking toy, and needs to be dismantled. Not normalized.
These are all very good points and I do agree with all of them. Really. Flip side is concentration camps. The choice would be to light the world financial system on fire or keep on with the concentration camps. I’m 50:50 on this, and I’m in the industry that would have its shit wrecked from this.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
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These raids are going to kill people and shutter businesses and destroy communities. I was going to say "probably going to..." right there, but I think that's what these raids are intended to do, so.
I wonder what we'll call the American kristallnacht...
These raids are going to kill people and shutter businesses and destroy communities. I was going to say "probably going to..." right there, but I think that's what these raids are intended to do, so.
I wonder what we'll call the American kristallnacht...
The Event. Don’t talk about it.
Like most of our history.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
What you can do with the knowledge of Citizen vs Non-Citizen is the ability to eliminate NCs as potential unregistered voters. This lets you fine tune the redistricting to turn swing districts into Republican districts by swapping NCs in left leaning districts with Dem voters in swing districts. Dem districts that the republicans gave up on are given even more Dem voters, while the swing districts that are +2 Dem to +3 Rep districts become +1-7 Rep leaning districts, and we fall further into the Tyranny of the Minority that we are currently living under.
These raids are going to kill people and shutter businesses and destroy communities. I was going to say "probably going to..." right there, but I think that's what these raids are intended to do, so.
I wonder what we'll call the American kristallnacht...
These raids are going to kill people and shutter businesses and destroy communities. I was going to say "probably going to..." right there, but I think that's what these raids are intended to do, so.
I wonder what we'll call the American kristallnacht...
The Event. Don’t talk about it.
Like most of our history.
In a couple generations, we'll build a nice museum on the Mall to show we're sorry for it.
There's going to be legal action filed as soon as the executive order is signed to stop it. I dunno if they're going for the theater of it knowing it won't hold up, or if Trump is actually dumb and thinks executive orders are unilateral power with zero boundaries whatsoever.
I think they're determined and/or desperate to stop an accurate census, and more representation of brown people, by any means/costs. This is a literal once-in-a-decade opportunity for them, at a demographic crisis point for the party.
They're not going to back down, and we shouldn't.
I’m honestly surprised they care that much given the SC said they’re quite openly allowed to draw districts for partisan gain.
Really the only benefit beyond that is EC votes, but I would imagine they want Texas to have more of them...
What am I missing?
More ec votes mean more representatives means its easier to gerrymander
That's not how any of that works.
That is exactly how that works. If liberal states lose representatives then conservative states gain. More EC because more representatives means that your gerrymander is more effective because you have more seats to work with
BREAKING: President Trump is expected to announce he is backing down from his effort to include a citizenship question on the 2020 census, and will instead instruct the Commerce Department to get the data through other means, sources tell ABCPolitics
He's not even trying to hide it anymore. But this is more dangerous because now fucking profiling is entering the equation. Which means great, I have a Spanish name, so here comes the goddamn Commerce Department in some way in my life. Fuck everything!
It's starting to smell like an awareness campaign.
They appear to have heard the fervor from their left base and figure that it can't hurt to see if they can elevate the issue to national consciousness - their base is handling it on social media, so now they're pushing other media & outreach efforts. It's a long shot, but a pretty harmless one to take.
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Some of them do have a sense of shame (not many) and asking can't hurt.
Anecdotal, but literally the one time I've heard an evangelical acquaintance break with Trump was over family separation.
That group is in general utterly clueless that there are concentration camps running. The most info they hear is spin about bad conditions resulting naturally from migration overflow.
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These raids are going to kill people and shutter businesses and destroy communities. I was going to say "probably going to..." right there, but I think that's what these raids are intended to do, so.
I wonder what we'll call the American kristallnacht...
The Event. Don’t talk about it.
Like most of our history.
In a couple generations, we'll build a nice museum on the Mall to show we're sorry for it.
Right near the one for the Japanese Internment.... wait a sec...
Fath groups really want to expand in the Hispanic demographic
And they've been very silent on the issue for the past 2 years.
I guess there's no harm in asking, but somehow I don't think they've been wanting to speak up, and have simply been waiting for Democrats to approach them. and make a plea of faith
There's going to be legal action filed as soon as the executive order is signed to stop it. I dunno if they're going for the theater of it knowing it won't hold up, or if Trump is actually dumb and thinks executive orders are unilateral power with zero boundaries whatsoever.
I think they're determined and/or desperate to stop an accurate census, and more representation of brown people, by any means/costs. This is a literal once-in-a-decade opportunity for them, at a demographic crisis point for the party.
They're not going to back down, and we shouldn't.
I’m honestly surprised they care that much given the SC said they’re quite openly allowed to draw districts for partisan gain.
Really the only benefit beyond that is EC votes, but I would imagine they want Texas to have more of them...
What am I missing?
More ec votes mean more representatives means its easier to gerrymander
That's not how any of that works.
That is exactly how that works. If liberal states lose representatives then conservative states gain. More EC because more representatives means that your gerrymander is more effective because you have more seats to work with
But none of those things are related. The gerrymander is done in the state legislatures, which has nothing to do with Congress of the Electoral College. More representation for conservative states means more votes in the electoral college, not the other way around.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
I mean I'm glad that hopefully they aren't going to executive order the census question. But this comes on the heels of ICE about to start rounding up people, so its like "ok one shit sandwich at a time."
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Hoping that evangicals who Trump already doesn't listen to, can get him to change on murdering asylum seekers is insane.
Short of inventing a time machine to un-fuck the mistake they made with their previous vote, I guess I’m glad they are trying to find leverage where they can. Even though they should have done all this before instead of after.
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The worst one was the guy they held for years, and because of some legalistic bullshit, the statute of limitations on wrongful imprisonment expired while he was STILL IN CUSTODY. Because the clock apparently starts from the beginning of your incarceration.
It was so fucking awful, and I bet one of the fuckers involved here knows about it, and thinks it's a blueprint for how to do it "right".
Right after the 2016 election, I drove I-26 through South Carolina. For the entire hundreds mile drive, I saw multiple state and local law enforcement agencies pulling over only Hispanic residents, usually families. With every car, the officers had piled the families belongings outside the car and was making the family sit on the grass.
They've been practicing this for awhile. Now that the Dems have shown themselves unwilling or unable to stop it, expect it to steadily increase.
More ec votes mean more representatives means its easier to gerrymander
where the fuck were you two weeks ago, senator?
That's not how any of that works.
Honestly if I were a person of color I would install a dash cam in my car because this is bonkers.
Doesn't really matter. We have videos of crimes being committed by police officers it doesn't change the narrative sadly.
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Even if you think using the debt ceiling as leverage should be off the table, Democrats could still get another shot at using a shutdown as leverage for something concrete.
I don't know. I trying to find some hope here.
Immediately after they voted to remove a lot of 'be nice' protections from the funding bill last week.
It’s not necessarily easier to gerrymander, but more House seats for Republicans isnt going to make anything better.
Quick pro tip. If you only control one half of one third of the government, the only thing you can really do is block things from happening. Like last week when that didn’t happen. Proposing bills you want to pass is mostly theater. So in summation, fuck off Chuck.
These are all very good points and I do agree with all of them. Really. Flip side is concentration camps. The choice would be to light the world financial system on fire or keep on with the concentration camps. I’m 50:50 on this, and I’m in the industry that would have its shit wrecked from this.
I wonder what we'll call the American kristallnacht...
The Event. Don’t talk about it.
Like most of our history.
Edit: Probably should continue this in the voting rights thread
"Don't look at me I didn't do nothin"
In a couple generations, we'll build a nice museum on the Mall to show we're sorry for it.
That is exactly how that works. If liberal states lose representatives then conservative states gain. More EC because more representatives means that your gerrymander is more effective because you have more seats to work with
WaPo reporter. Not sure what the play is here.
They appear to have heard the fervor from their left base and figure that it can't hurt to see if they can elevate the issue to national consciousness - their base is handling it on social media, so now they're pushing other media & outreach efforts. It's a long shot, but a pretty harmless one to take.
hahaha yes, ask the cherry pickers to help
has she gone off her rocker?
Tweet is gone?
No, but heres the text
Some of them do have a sense of shame (not many) and asking can't hurt.
Twitter is having issues at the moment of this writing.
That group is in general utterly clueless that there are concentration camps running. The most info they hear is spin about bad conditions resulting naturally from migration overflow.
Right near the one for the Japanese Internment.... wait a sec...
The play is to make me punch my phone.
Fath groups really want to expand in the Hispanic demographic
And they've been very silent on the issue for the past 2 years.
I guess there's no harm in asking, but somehow I don't think they've been wanting to speak up, and have simply been waiting for Democrats to approach them. and make a plea of faith
But none of those things are related. The gerrymander is done in the state legislatures, which has nothing to do with Congress of the Electoral College. More representation for conservative states means more votes in the electoral college, not the other way around.
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Thinking evangelicals give a shit what Christ said is insane.
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Short of inventing a time machine to un-fuck the mistake they made with their previous vote, I guess I’m glad they are trying to find leverage where they can. Even though they should have done all this before instead of after.