He has a dedicated twitter on the shitter phone. He probably snapped a picture, and no one spoke up against it.
Needing to physically restrain the POTUS against his protest is something these people never considered and quite possibly cannot wrap their heads around.
So anyway now seems like a good time to talk about the fact that Trump seems to be able to take photos of classified documents from his intelligence briefings on his phone and he either isn’t noticed doing it or is allowed to do it and that Trump uses his unsecured personal phone for government business despite evidence China has hacked it and that Trump is very fond of holding meetings with Putin with no other witnesses from his administration and no written or video recordings of their discussions.
It is clear that the it is in the best interest of my country that the Intelligence Community, specifically to ones charged with briefing the president, should lie to and manipulate said president.
And that has ramifications for long after Trump is no longer president.
It’s also worth remembering that despite not having clearance, Kushner was near obsessed with Intelligence briefings and attended them every day and of course he has been know to meet up with Bin Salman while avoiding the scrutiny every official going near him should be under.
American secret intelligence briefings are probably only secret to Americans now. Trump probably texts his briefings to Putin and China intercepts it and Kushner is keeping the Saudis in the loop.
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And just to circle back to the Washington Post again and throw in another reason to panic, apparently Trump’s National Security Advisor Bolton has fallen from Trump’s favor and has been squabbling with other cabinet members, so now he’s being frozen out of decisions on Afghanistan (including the possible peace agreement with the Taliban) and other critical National Security areas.
And just to circle back to the Washington Post again and throw in another reason to panic, apparently Trump’s National Security Advisor Bolton has fallen from Trump’s favor and has been squabbling with other cabinet members, so now he’s being frozen out of decisions on Afghanistan (including the possible peace agreement with the Taliban) and other critical National Security areas.
And just to circle back to the Washington Post again and throw in another reason to panic, apparently Trump’s National Security Advisor Bolton has fallen from Trump’s favor and has been squabbling with other cabinet members, so now he’s being frozen out of decisions on Afghanistan (including the possible peace agreement with the Taliban) and other critical National Security areas.
Given that Trump's mocked the dude himself almost since day one, I'm not sure why he was even hired beyond "we couldn't find anyone else to take the gig".
Anyone else think that photo is too well-cropped for Trump to have done that himself?
Like for sure it got to his phone
But I take photos of workflows on whiteboards all the time at work and have to edit them a good bit afterwards before uploading and distributing, and the pic Trump tweeted out is perfectly cropped and rotated.....I have a hard time believing Trump can work an image editing app better than me...
What I’m getting at is I think it might be standard practice for this admin that someone is routinely snapping and editing these photos for Trump
American secret intelligence briefings are probably only secret to Americans now. Trump probably texts his briefings to Putin and China intercepts it and Kushner is keeping the Saudis in the loop.
Trump sends it to Russia, it’s intercepted by China, moles inside China let Canada and Australia get the goods, and they pass it on to the United Kingdom. The UK passes it on to France in a smoky bar in the Montmartre, and France dutifully shares it with Germany at a football game. Germany passes it on to Turkey over kebabs, and then Turkey BCC’s Iran, who flips it off to Japan to return a favour. Japan reluctantly shares it with South Korea, who quietly gets it to India, and India just has to tell Brazil what’s going on, and then Brazil shares with Mexico.
Eventually, about twenty four hours after Trump texts Russia, Togo goes to the US and is like “hey, think that you might have a leak somewhere.”
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I get the joke of course but that thread title makes me very uncomfortable. Which means it’s perfect representation of how his sharing of info makes me feel. Those markings are (supposed to be) serious business.
I get the joke of course but that thread title makes me very uncomfortable. Which means it’s perfect representation of how his sharing of info makes me feel. Those markings are (supposed to be) serious business.
I remember years ago when Command and Conquer: Red Alert (part 1 or 2, doesn’t matter) came out and as soon as you load the game, it says something along the lines of, “WARNING! TOP SECRET MILITARY SOFTWARE DETECTED!”
I remember getting looked at side eyed from my coworkers cause I was in the military and deployed at the time. I thought it was pretty funny when one of them actually panicked and thought I was really loading top secret software onto my personal laptop
I had to explain it was just a video game being silly lol.
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At work we get annual warnings about how we're not allowed to even look at wikileaks-related info without endangering our clearances, which always struck me as a little backwards - my friends without clearances can view and discuss leaked stuff no problem, but someone with an actual clearance gets in trouble?
But when the President's the one leaking it...like, I guess that automatically declassifies it, right? Or are all us contractors in trouble for looking at the President's twitter account :P
The President can declassify anything he likes, so I guess everything is fine with this, legally.
If OBAMA had declassified spy photos to gloat over a successful sabotage op, the shrieking from Fox News would be heard in China.
Yeah, it's less about the legality of it, and more about the utter disregard Trump shows to compromising intelligence capabilities.
This isn't really any different to allowing Kushner security clearance (or a workaround), or divulging information to the Russians. It's technically legal, because he's the defining authority on these things.
But under any other Presidency, this would be a scandal that would last months, ending with either resignation, impeachment (due to unfitness, not illegality), and if both were avoided, probably doom any chance of re-election.
With Trump, this probably won't still be a scandal by Tuesday. It shouldn't be, but this is the new normal. Trump is graded on a curve so sharp, it's bending time. Maybe that's why it feels he's been President for a decade already.
And just to circle back to the Washington Post again and throw in another reason to panic, apparently Trump’s National Security Advisor Bolton has fallen from Trump’s favor and has been squabbling with other cabinet members, so now he’s being frozen out of decisions on Afghanistan (including the possible peace agreement with the Taliban) and other critical National Security areas.
For a narcissist warhawk like Bolton who regularly abuses his power to ensure literally the opposite of the point of his job is done at all times, falling out of favor and watching everyone exclude you and go over your head is a fate worse than death; it's not quite finally getting him out of office, but I'd daresay it's the next best thing to watch happen.
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At work we get annual warnings about how we're not allowed to even look at wikileaks-related info without endangering our clearances, which always struck me as a little backwards - my friends without clearances can view and discuss leaked stuff no problem, but someone with an actual clearance gets in trouble?
But when the President's the one leaking it...like, I guess that automatically declassifies it, right? Or are all us contractors in trouble for looking at the President's twitter account :P
From what I understand, the President can do whatever he likes with classified information, but that doesn’t mean that everything he tweets out like this is automatically declassified. Might be, might not. The classification label isn’t shown. So yeah, this might be a bit of a problem for some people.
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Can I just point how unbelievably fucked up the situation is that critical parts of the government aren't co-ordinating policy because they know that people at the top of the food chain will do everything in their power to sabotage it?
Can I just point how unbelievably fucked up the situation is that critical parts of the government aren't co-ordinating policy because they know that people at the top of the food chain will do everything in their power to sabotage it?
Isn't policy supposed to be decided by elected officials as promulgated to political appointees who are the top of the food chain. Aren't day to day bureaucrats simply supposed to implement such policy. If critical parts of the government aren't coordinating because they don't like what the political folks want, isn't that a bit sketchy? It might be a good thing in the grand scheme of things but it isn't formally a good thing. Formally it is a very, very, bad thing and it feeds right in to FoxNews-->AlexJones conspiracy theories about the "Deep State".
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I feel extremely relieved that Bolton isn't trusted and no one wants to do his crazy ass shit. Go Trump admin! I don't like you guys, but I love how you haven't gotten us into any wars yet!
Normally a person in an important position being that sidelined would lead to him being kicked out of the administration, especially when the person was not needed to satisfy any political needs.
At work we get annual warnings about how we're not allowed to even look at wikileaks-related info without endangering our clearances, which always struck me as a little backwards - my friends without clearances can view and discuss leaked stuff no problem, but someone with an actual clearance gets in trouble?
But when the President's the one leaking it...like, I guess that automatically declassifies it, right? Or are all us contractors in trouble for looking at the President's twitter account :P
Youre almoat certainly in the clear. If the President did not authorize the public distribution of the image then he committed a crime. If the President did authorize the public distribution of the image then its not classified.
I cannot imagine you losing a court martial when your defense was “i was reading the Presidents public statements” and this was true
At work we get annual warnings about how we're not allowed to even look at wikileaks-related info without endangering our clearances, which always struck me as a little backwards - my friends without clearances can view and discuss leaked stuff no problem, but someone with an actual clearance gets in trouble?
But when the President's the one leaking it...like, I guess that automatically declassifies it, right? Or are all us contractors in trouble for looking at the President's twitter account :P
Youre almoat certainly in the clear. If the President did not authorize the public distribution of the image then he committed a crime. If the President did authorize the public distribution of the image then its not classified.
I cannot imagine you losing a court martial when your defense was “i was reading the Presidents public statements” and this was true
While I wouldn't expect it, I can absolutely see it.
Michael Cohen is in jail, in part because of a crime he and the President committed together, on behalf of, and at the behest of, the President.
To use a Han Solo quote out of context, "I don't know, I can imagine quite a bit."
At work we get annual warnings about how we're not allowed to even look at wikileaks-related info without endangering our clearances, which always struck me as a little backwards - my friends without clearances can view and discuss leaked stuff no problem, but someone with an actual clearance gets in trouble?
But when the President's the one leaking it...like, I guess that automatically declassifies it, right? Or are all us contractors in trouble for looking at the President's twitter account :P
Youre almoat certainly in the clear. If the President did not authorize the public distribution of the image then he committed a crime. If the President did authorize the public distribution of the image then its not classified.
I cannot imagine you losing a court martial when your defense was “i was reading the Presidents public statements” and this was true
While I wouldn't expect it, I can absolutely see it.
Michael Cohen is in jail, in part because of a crime he and the President committed together, on behalf of, and at the behest of, the President.
To use a Han Solo quote out of context, "I don't know, I can imagine quite a bit."
Sure. But that is because the President told him to do something illegal. And then he did it.
The president cannot illegally hand out classified information. If you act on that in an illegal way you may have a problem. But if the President publishes it its not classified.
Your defense isnt “i was just following orders”. Your defense is “i was just reading my orders”
At work we get annual warnings about how we're not allowed to even look at wikileaks-related info without endangering our clearances, which always struck me as a little backwards - my friends without clearances can view and discuss leaked stuff no problem, but someone with an actual clearance gets in trouble?
But when the President's the one leaking it...like, I guess that automatically declassifies it, right? Or are all us contractors in trouble for looking at the President's twitter account :P
Youre almoat certainly in the clear. If the President did not authorize the public distribution of the image then he committed a crime. If the President did authorize the public distribution of the image then its not classified.
I cannot imagine you losing a court martial when your defense was “i was reading the Presidents public statements” and this was true
While I wouldn't expect it, I can absolutely see it.
Michael Cohen is in jail, in part because of a crime he and the President committed together, on behalf of, and at the behest of, the President.
To use a Han Solo quote out of context, "I don't know, I can imagine quite a bit."
Sure. But that is because the President told him to do something illegal. And then he did it.
The president cannot illegally hand out classified information. If you act on that in an illegal way you may have a problem. But if the President publishes it its not classified.
Your defense isnt “i was just following orders”. Your defense is “i was just reading my orders”
But that requires a rational reading of the law, and a rational interpretation of that law, and a lack of an irrational upholding of that law.
As you said in the passage I quoted, one of two things happened.
1) The President didn't authorize it, and committed a crime.
2) The President authorized it, and it's not classified.
You appear to be saying that option 2 is the only way it can be interpreted.
I'm saying that in this reality, it's only the most likely interpretation. I've given up trying to see what stupid shit this Administration will argue, if it's in defense of the President, or in favor of the President's goals.
Soap, a toothbrush and blankets may not be essential to ensuring 'safe and sanitary' conditions for migrant children.
At that point, I think my brain just broke, and I can't accept that there's not some small sliver of justification that someone in this Administration will argue is contradictory to rationality.
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Needing to physically restrain the POTUS against his protest is something these people never considered and quite possibly cannot wrap their heads around.
So anyway now seems like a good time to talk about the fact that Trump seems to be able to take photos of classified documents from his intelligence briefings on his phone and he either isn’t noticed doing it or is allowed to do it and that Trump uses his unsecured personal phone for government business despite evidence China has hacked it and that Trump is very fond of holding meetings with Putin with no other witnesses from his administration and no written or video recordings of their discussions.
And that has ramifications for long after Trump is no longer president.
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To be fair, I don’t trust Bolton either
Yeah and the article cites from pretty crazy behavior from him, including taunting and threatening staff that anger him for whatever reason.
Pretty certain that behavior has been a hallmark of his entire career...
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Like for sure it got to his phone
But I take photos of workflows on whiteboards all the time at work and have to edit them a good bit afterwards before uploading and distributing, and the pic Trump tweeted out is perfectly cropped and rotated.....I have a hard time believing Trump can work an image editing app better than me...
What I’m getting at is I think it might be standard practice for this admin that someone is routinely snapping and editing these photos for Trump
Trump sends it to Russia, it’s intercepted by China, moles inside China let Canada and Australia get the goods, and they pass it on to the United Kingdom. The UK passes it on to France in a smoky bar in the Montmartre, and France dutifully shares it with Germany at a football game. Germany passes it on to Turkey over kebabs, and then Turkey BCC’s Iran, who flips it off to Japan to return a favour. Japan reluctantly shares it with South Korea, who quietly gets it to India, and India just has to tell Brazil what’s going on, and then Brazil shares with Mexico.
Eventually, about twenty four hours after Trump texts Russia, Togo goes to the US and is like “hey, think that you might have a leak somewhere.”
I remember years ago when Command and Conquer: Red Alert (part 1 or 2, doesn’t matter) came out and as soon as you load the game, it says something along the lines of, “WARNING! TOP SECRET MILITARY SOFTWARE DETECTED!”
I remember getting looked at side eyed from my coworkers cause I was in the military and deployed at the time. I thought it was pretty funny when one of them actually panicked and thought I was really loading top secret software onto my personal laptop
I had to explain it was just a video game being silly lol.
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But when the President's the one leaking it...like, I guess that automatically declassifies it, right? Or are all us contractors in trouble for looking at the President's twitter account :P
If OBAMA had declassified spy photos to gloat over a successful sabotage op, the shrieking from Fox News would be heard in China.
Yeah, it's less about the legality of it, and more about the utter disregard Trump shows to compromising intelligence capabilities.
This isn't really any different to allowing Kushner security clearance (or a workaround), or divulging information to the Russians. It's technically legal, because he's the defining authority on these things.
But under any other Presidency, this would be a scandal that would last months, ending with either resignation, impeachment (due to unfitness, not illegality), and if both were avoided, probably doom any chance of re-election.
With Trump, this probably won't still be a scandal by Tuesday. It shouldn't be, but this is the new normal. Trump is graded on a curve so sharp, it's bending time. Maybe that's why it feels he's been President for a decade already.
Possibly why I thought that picture was him flipping the bird.
From what I understand, the President can do whatever he likes with classified information, but that doesn’t mean that everything he tweets out like this is automatically declassified. Might be, might not. The classification label isn’t shown. So yeah, this might be a bit of a problem for some people.
Isn't policy supposed to be decided by elected officials as promulgated to political appointees who are the top of the food chain. Aren't day to day bureaucrats simply supposed to implement such policy. If critical parts of the government aren't coordinating because they don't like what the political folks want, isn't that a bit sketchy? It might be a good thing in the grand scheme of things but it isn't formally a good thing. Formally it is a very, very, bad thing and it feeds right in to FoxNews-->AlexJones conspiracy theories about the "Deep State".
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Youre almoat certainly in the clear. If the President did not authorize the public distribution of the image then he committed a crime. If the President did authorize the public distribution of the image then its not classified.
I cannot imagine you losing a court martial when your defense was “i was reading the Presidents public statements” and this was true
While I wouldn't expect it, I can absolutely see it.
Michael Cohen is in jail, in part because of a crime he and the President committed together, on behalf of, and at the behest of, the President.
To use a Han Solo quote out of context, "I don't know, I can imagine quite a bit."
Sure. But that is because the President told him to do something illegal. And then he did it.
The president cannot illegally hand out classified information. If you act on that in an illegal way you may have a problem. But if the President publishes it its not classified.
Your defense isnt “i was just following orders”. Your defense is “i was just reading my orders”
But that requires a rational reading of the law, and a rational interpretation of that law, and a lack of an irrational upholding of that law.
As you said in the passage I quoted, one of two things happened.
1) The President didn't authorize it, and committed a crime.
2) The President authorized it, and it's not classified.
You appear to be saying that option 2 is the only way it can be interpreted.
I'm saying that in this reality, it's only the most likely interpretation. I've given up trying to see what stupid shit this Administration will argue, if it's in defense of the President, or in favor of the President's goals.
Soap, a toothbrush and blankets may not be essential to ensuring 'safe and sanitary' conditions for migrant children.
At that point, I think my brain just broke, and I can't accept that there's not some small sliver of justification that someone in this Administration will argue is contradictory to rationality.
"Oh he must be taking a photo for his later consideration and examination."
*five minutes later*
"fml"
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