Farage needs to be against the withdrawal agreement otherwise the whole point of the Brexit party comes into question. We could leave with no deal and he'd somehow frame it as us being controlled by Brussels.
Nigel Farage backs extension and a general election over PM’s deal
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Why is Farage against the deal? It's pretty damn hard brexit
A combination of Northern Ireland following EU regulations so “we’re half in half out” according to him, the reality of this deal falling far short of the glorious claims he made about post Brexit UK so he HAS to say it’s a failed version of something he could do better, his overwhelming hunger for a seat at parliament so slamming Johnson as having failed Brexit sets up his campaign to get into Westminster and handle Brexit “properly” and... probably a sprinkling of the fact that Johnson is an MEP and the longer the UK extend Article 50, the longer he gets paid.
Apparently they're going to take 5 hours of debate time to talk about over 500 pages of documents. No one in their right mind is going to vote on something they haven't sodding read.
Not sure if this was meant sarcastically, but that's totally how I took it.
The Telegraph are reporting that Barnier is to be rewarded for his hard work, patience, endurance of all manner of insults and perseverance in obtaining a UK withdrawal agreement with...
...a role in all future UK / EU trade negotiations.
Apparently they're going to take 5 hours of debate time to talk about over 500 pages of documents. No one in their right mind is going to vote on something they haven't sodding read.
Not sure if this was meant sarcastically, but that's totally how I took it.
I read it as entirely sincere, but with the unspoken footnote that a sizeable number of them are not in their right mind. Or what we would define as their right mind...
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ok yeah so if the eu are happy with this being done by 1 november if parliament votes for it then that is probably why it viewed as a favourable option - committing to this looks like they are meeting the promise to get us out etc etc
Farage needs to be against the withdrawal agreement otherwise the whole point of the Brexit party comes into question. We could leave with no deal and he'd somehow frame it as us being controlled by Brussels.
Partly that, and also because we're agreeing to the level playing field rules, that stop us doing the Singapore thing.
This is not a win for the Free Ports his masters want, but at least a 5 year delay or so.
The deal can’t be ratified before November 1st as the EU parliament isn’t sitting next week, but it could probably be agreed by the EU27 leaders in principal, with the voting done later.
Farage needs to be against the withdrawal agreement otherwise the whole point of the Brexit party comes into question. We could leave with no deal and he'd somehow frame it as us being controlled by Brussels.
Partly that, and also because we're agreeing to the level playing field rules, that stop us doing the Singapore thing.
This is not a win for the Free Ports his masters want, but at least a 5 year delay or so.
No it doesn't. The non-binding political declaration says that any new trade deal would be underpinned by provision insuring a level playing field. It would only be binding as part of a future trade agreement.
Is there really that much of a window to have no trade deal with the EU, even if it's just an interim one?
I thought even the most ardent No Dealers were assuming we'd be able to fix most of the problems with a trade deal with the EU. I thought this deal still has the same kind of transition period that May's one did.
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just wait until they find out what kind of extraterritorial arbitration body will be conjured into existence to determine if the LPF provisions are being followed
The Telegraph are reporting that Barnier is to be rewarded for his hard work, patience, endurance of all manner of insults and perseverance in obtaining a UK withdrawal agreement with...
...a role in all future UK / EU trade negotiations.
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No chance of more endless extensions and Brexit just quietly never happening?
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Unfortunately on that front...
EU will not grant any further extension, says Juncker, implying MPs must choose between this deal and no deal
Jean-Claude Juncker, the European commission president, has said the EU will not grant another Brexit extension.
This is hugely significant, because, if the rest of the EU27 agree - and it is not clear yet whether he is speaking on their behalf - it means MPs will effectively be faced with a choice between this deal and no deal
Liveblog, like always.
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Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
The Telegraph are reporting that Barnier is to be rewarded for his hard work, patience, endurance of all manner of insults and perseverance in obtaining a UK withdrawal agreement with...
...a role in all future UK / EU trade negotiations.
The Telegraph are reporting that Barnier is to be rewarded for his hard work, patience, endurance of all manner of insults and perseverance in obtaining a UK withdrawal agreement with...
...a role in all future UK / EU trade negotiations.
EU will not grant any further extension, says Juncker, implying MPs must choose between this deal and no deal
Jean-Claude Juncker, the European commission president, has said the EU will grant another Brexit extension.
This is hugely significant, because, if the rest of the EU27 agree - and it is not clear yet whether he is speaking on their behalf - it means MPs will effectively be faced with a choice between this deal and no deal
EU will not grant any further extension, says Juncker, implying MPs must choose between this deal and no deal
Jean-Claude Juncker, the European commission president, has said the EU will grant another Brexit extension.
This is hugely significant, because, if the rest of the EU27 agree - and it is not clear yet whether he is speaking on their behalf - it means MPs will effectively be faced with a choice between this deal and no deal
Liveblog, like always.
Well, that's a huge fuck-you to the Remainers.
Realistically remain never had much of a chance anyways since Corbyn is not-so-secretly on the brexit side.
There isn't really a path to remain without a government that wants it, or at least holds out an opportunity to vote for it. Corbyn is very unlikely to get in so there's effectively no way Remain was going to happen.
Juncker is likely just wanting to get the damn thing done. Remain is off the table, so he'll get a deal.
EU will not grant any further extension, says Juncker, implying MPs must choose between this deal and no deal
Jean-Claude Juncker, the European commission president, has said the EU will not grant another Brexit extension.
This is hugely significant, because, if the rest of the EU27 agree - and it is not clear yet whether he is speaking on their behalf - it means MPs will effectively be faced with a choice between this deal and no deal
Liveblog, like always.
he said no prolongation but "he is not in control of uk parliamentary affairs" - this is simply saying that we have a deal so there is no need for further negotiation, but there is an obvious assumption that parliament passes it...
i would note that this deal is a short term fix that is going to cost cons in the long run. outcomes ranked:
1) this passes saturday we leave early november, immediate general election, easy win
2) this is voted down but no fucking around with second refs etc, there is a general election during an extension and cons run on "we tried to do the Good Brexit but Remainer Elite Sabotaged" -> reasonably good outcome
3) voted through subject to second referendum and extension -> terrible outcome
4) any other cause of random extension nonsense or generic chaos?
what this has done is damage labour in the short run, produce a high value short term payoff, but the longer this is subject to scrutiny the more bizarre the ni provisions are going to seem.
key (non-discussed) point is that as the uk diverges from eu regs the level of border checking required between the uk and NORTHERN IRELAND (??¬!?!) will only increase over time. this is literalyl a commitment to an ever-growing distance....
EU will not grant any further extension, says Juncker, implying MPs must choose between this deal and no deal
Jean-Claude Juncker, the European commission president, has said the EU will grant another Brexit extension.
This is hugely significant, because, if the rest of the EU27 agree - and it is not clear yet whether he is speaking on their behalf - it means MPs will effectively be faced with a choice between this deal and no deal
Liveblog, like always.
Well, that's a huge fuck-you to the Remainers.
There's alway revoke, and then just invoke article 50 once we've sorted our shit out. Like the plan should have been from the start.
I'd be suprised not to see a revoke/referendum/election/invoke article 50 amendment on Saturday.
I was listening to Newshour on my way in to work just now. Con MP was on, saying how Northern Ireland actually does well with this deal, because it'll get "the best of both worlds." Labour MP spoke next, saying how Labour was going to whip for this deal provided there was an amendment for a 2nd ref, during which Labour would campaign for Remain, and how Labour had always been both for leaving and for a 2nd ref.
I am so, so sorry this is the shit you good folks have to deal with.
I was listening to Newshour on my way in to work just now. Con MP was on, saying how Northern Ireland actually does well with this deal, because it'll get "the best of both worlds." Labour MP spoke next, saying how Labour was going to whip for this deal provided there was an amendment for a 2nd ref, during which Labour would campaign for Remain, and how Labour had always been both for leaving and for a 2nd ref.
I am so, so sorry this is the shit you good folks have to deal with.
It's our own fucking fault, you've nothing to be sorry about
So is the play that Boris has convinced the EU that Parliament will cave and accept this deal if they refuse an extension and make it this deal or no deal?
While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
I wonder if there's the slightest chance he's been meeting with financial advisors who have told him that as an english speaking dickhead, he needs at least one english speaking capitalist democracy to be functional so he can continue his dickheadery and wealth without being hung as a foreign agitator.
Best choice is, as people have mentioned, vote down the deal and immediately revoke article 50. Then have a vote between this deal and remain.
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Why is Farage against the deal? It's pretty damn hard brexit
A combination of Northern Ireland following EU regulations so “we’re half in half out” according to him, the reality of this deal falling far short of the glorious claims he made about post Brexit UK so he HAS to say it’s a failed version of something he could do better, his overwhelming hunger for a seat at parliament so slamming Johnson as having failed Brexit sets up his campaign to get into Westminster and handle Brexit “properly” and... probably a sprinkling of the fact that Johnson is an MEP and the longer the UK extend Article 50, the longer he gets paid.
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Not sure if this was meant sarcastically, but that's totally how I took it.
...a role in all future UK / EU trade negotiations.
Yeah, I don’t know why the EU are punishing the poor bastard like this either.
I read it as entirely sincere, but with the unspoken footnote that a sizeable number of them are not in their right mind. Or what we would define as their right mind...
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Partly that, and also because we're agreeing to the level playing field rules, that stop us doing the Singapore thing.
This is not a win for the Free Ports his masters want, but at least a 5 year delay or so.
It’s pronounced tea shock.
The deal can’t be ratified before November 1st as the EU parliament isn’t sitting next week, but it could probably be agreed by the EU27 leaders in principal, with the voting done later.
No it doesn't. The non-binding political declaration says that any new trade deal would be underpinned by provision insuring a level playing field. It would only be binding as part of a future trade agreement.
I thought even the most ardent No Dealers were assuming we'd be able to fix most of the problems with a trade deal with the EU. I thought this deal still has the same kind of transition period that May's one did.
thats gonna be a giggle
Liveblog, like always.
Probably they figure he has proven to have the stomach to deal with the tories and nobody else wanted to?
Well, that's a huge fuck-you to the Remainers.
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Realistically remain never had much of a chance anyways since Corbyn is not-so-secretly on the brexit side.
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Yeah, the Liveblog now has been corrected to be fully depressing. I'll update the quote.
Juncker is likely just wanting to get the damn thing done. Remain is off the table, so he'll get a deal.
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he said no prolongation but "he is not in control of uk parliamentary affairs" - this is simply saying that we have a deal so there is no need for further negotiation, but there is an obvious assumption that parliament passes it...
i would note that this deal is a short term fix that is going to cost cons in the long run. outcomes ranked:
1) this passes saturday we leave early november, immediate general election, easy win
2) this is voted down but no fucking around with second refs etc, there is a general election during an extension and cons run on "we tried to do the Good Brexit but Remainer Elite Sabotaged" -> reasonably good outcome
3) voted through subject to second referendum and extension -> terrible outcome
4) any other cause of random extension nonsense or generic chaos?
what this has done is damage labour in the short run, produce a high value short term payoff, but the longer this is subject to scrutiny the more bizarre the ni provisions are going to seem.
key (non-discussed) point is that as the uk diverges from eu regs the level of border checking required between the uk and NORTHERN IRELAND (??¬!?!) will only increase over time. this is literalyl a commitment to an ever-growing distance....
There's alway revoke, and then just invoke article 50 once we've sorted our shit out. Like the plan should have been from the start.
I'd be suprised not to see a revoke/referendum/election/invoke article 50 amendment on Saturday.
I'd even more suprised if it passes though.
- deal passes parliament
- Johnson calls election and wins majority
Like shooting yourself in the face with two guns, just to be sure.
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You mean Juncker?
Equally valid for both, I think.
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I am so, so sorry this is the shit you good folks have to deal with.
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I wonder if there's the slightest chance he's been meeting with financial advisors who have told him that as an english speaking dickhead, he needs at least one english speaking capitalist democracy to be functional so he can continue his dickheadery and wealth without being hung as a foreign agitator.
Best choice is, as people have mentioned, vote down the deal and immediately revoke article 50. Then have a vote between this deal and remain.