Also speaking of EVs, this article basically wonders why people are still buying Civic and Camrys and the like, when a Tesla could have a similar 5-year cost-of-ownership, and is faster, safer and better for the environment.
So my wife and I were talking about this last night - Why do most cars only come in very muted (boring) colors? Is it that there are no brighter options available when you custom order or is custom ordering just very rare? Do people really worry about resale value so much that they pick these muted colors when maybe they would take something else if it is available?
Most days going to work I feel like I'm driving through a car version of the opening scene of Joe Versus the Volcano.
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Well, in my experience, the better colours cost more, and are available on only certain models (I think to justify charging an extra 1k for it)
Most people are just boring and choose greyscale colors (white, black, grey, and silver are like 75% of the market). So most bold colors outside of red and blue are only available special order if at all. Most people are boring so resale on bold colors is lower. So bold colors never get enough market share for manufacturers to make it a stock color. Repeat the feedback loop.
Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
Depending on climate, dust/dirt/etc show less obviously on neutral colors.
Additionally, depending on climate, color of the car can have a lot to do with heat retention (white was SUPER common in Hawaii when I was there, for example).
That being said, we're there with you. My wife's Honda Fit was bright orange. Made it super easy to find in parking lots, and we kinda miss that :P
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SiliconStew has it correct.
I've read articles given by various car company PRs, like Mercedes Benz, Toyota, etc. And people just want to buy shitty muted colors for their shitty muted cars.
So few people bought Benz cars in red that they don't offer it as an option on almost all of their offerings any more, for instance.
Every once in a while, a cool color comes along, like the Hyper Blue on the Focus RS that is duplicated by various other companies (Subaru, Toyota, Honda), but I don't see those as being a stable of colors because they fade just as quickly as they came into style.
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So my wife and I were talking about this last night - Why do most cars only come in very muted (boring) colors? Is it that there are no brighter options available when you custom order or is custom ordering just very rare? Do people really worry about resale value so much that they pick these muted colors when maybe they would take something else if it is available?
Most days going to work I feel like I'm driving through a car version of the opening scene of Joe Versus the Volcano.
I've driven company cars for the last few years. I got to pick the color of the last one and went with "Galactic Aqua", which was a brilliant blue. Loved the color. The car I have now is inherited from somebody else which means that, of course, the unimaginative idiot of a previous driver went with... grey. Ugh.
If and when I go back to owning my own car, getting a not-boring color will be a necessity. There's just no excuse for something that costs upwards of 20k to not have interesting color options.
I've been thinking about buying an M2 for a while and looking at used cars its a lot of white, black, and grey (dark grey, it looks really good in person though), but if I buy it new I can get it in Long Beach Blue Metallic which is absolutely gorgeous. Or Sunset Orange which I've yet to see on the road or in person, but am tempted by nonetheless.
Toyota has some fun colors out there though, although I dont think they're kind of spread all over the place. To the point where the Supra only has one really impressive color and its a grey/white. I thought they had a really nice red on the Prius lineup, but I dont see it on their website.
Speaking of colors, the Cappuccino needs some paint. Trying to decide between yellow or blue. It's red now. Or maybe I can teach myself how to wrap and crazy.
So my wife and I were talking about this last night - Why do most cars only come in very muted (boring) colors? Is it that there are no brighter options available when you custom order or is custom ordering just very rare? Do people really worry about resale value so much that they pick these muted colors when maybe they would take something else if it is available?
Most days going to work I feel like I'm driving through a car version of the opening scene of Joe Versus the Volcano.
Yeah, the more expensive the car gets the less colour they get (until supercar level maybe), it seems. All the fun colours are in the A-segment, Ka, Twingo, 500, Aygo.
Sell me the car unpainted for cheaper so I can save a bit on labor when I take it to get the iridescent deep blue to purple transition with silver fleck that I want anyhow, please.
Speaking of colors, the Cappuccino needs some paint. Trying to decide between yellow or blue. It's red now. Or maybe I can teach myself how to wrap and crazy.
Go with the blue, I've literally never seen a Cappuccino in that colour before, and I've seen dozens of yellow and red ones.
Speaking of colors, the Cappuccino needs some paint. Trying to decide between yellow or blue. It's red now. Or maybe I can teach myself how to wrap and crazy.
Go with the blue, I've literally never seen a Cappuccino in that colour before, and I've seen dozens of yellow and red ones.
They really suit all of those colours. But yeah, the blue is a bit special. Really digging that.
So my wife and I were talking about this last night - Why do most cars only come in very muted (boring) colors? Is it that there are no brighter options available when you custom order or is custom ordering just very rare? Do people really worry about resale value so much that they pick these muted colors when maybe they would take something else if it is available?
Most days going to work I feel like I'm driving through a car version of the opening scene of Joe Versus the Volcano.
Yeah, the more expensive the car gets the less colour they get (until supercar level maybe), it seems. All the fun colours are in the A-segment, Ka, Twingo, 500, Aygo.
I think that may depend on the kind of car?
I've only bought two cars new - 2009 Impreza, which I got the base 2.5i model and the colour selection was pretty dismal. To get red or blue you had to go up to the sport version. To get the classic Subaru blue you had to go up to the WRX. For the Q60, there were several striking colours. I was going to get blue, but ended up with a brilliant red that people comment on all the time.
So my wife and I were talking about this last night - Why do most cars only come in very muted (boring) colors? Is it that there are no brighter options available when you custom order or is custom ordering just very rare? Do people really worry about resale value so much that they pick these muted colors when maybe they would take something else if it is available?
Most days going to work I feel like I'm driving through a car version of the opening scene of Joe Versus the Volcano.
Sadly most people do seem to be that boring. When I bought my Stinger it was one of only 2 blue ones the dealership had gotten. I think they only got one red one. There were like 5 or 6 black ones.
Additionally when you move up into the luxury segment, about half the cars there are leased so the BMW/Mercedes/etc dealerships absolutely are concerned about resale value.
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I drive an old NYC taxi and i love its school bus yellow paintjob. Ive had dozens of random conversations about the car because of how it stands out, and its just a crown vic.
Also i never lose it in a parking lot, unlike my wifes silver elantra GT.
I'm on the cusp of putting in an order for a Tesla Model 3, long range, with full autopilot package. My 3-4 hour daily commute is stressing me the hell out every single day and I need to be able to just relax a bit. Plus that HOV sticker will help cut my commute a decent amount. I'm doing a trade-in on a 2017 Hyundai Sonata Sport 2.0T with a KBB of 22k, and hoping to get 18-20k for it.
Any Tesla owners here?
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No.. I love myself...
But seriously, I live in the LA area. My office is 29 miles away, and without traffic it would take me 35-40 minutes to get to it, but with traffic it's about 1.5-2 hours each way every day.
The trick it to get them to let you go in super early and leave super early.
The issue, which was first brought to light by InsideEVs, appears to not only be preventing the screen from turning on, but also won’t let the car charge. It’s more or less a worse case scenario for someone who owns such a digitally-reliant car.
Here’s more detail from Business Insider:
The issue concerns a flash storage chip, called the eMMC, that’s embedded on a piece of onboard technology called the MCU1. Flash storage is form of computer memory that can be electrically erased and reprogrammed to help a computer perform tasks quickly and efficiently. It is often used in computers, USB drives, digital cameras, and networking hardware. According to multiple repair professionals, Teslas are writing vehicle logs to this flash storage chip so frequently that the chip stops working properly.
Short version: Flash memory has limits to how often it can be written to. Because Tesla logs ALL THE THINGS, the flash memory in early models are hitting their max write capacity, and failing - which just so happens to brick the car.
The issue, which was first brought to light by InsideEVs, appears to not only be preventing the screen from turning on, but also won’t let the car charge. It’s more or less a worse case scenario for someone who owns such a digitally-reliant car.
Here’s more detail from Business Insider:
The issue concerns a flash storage chip, called the eMMC, that’s embedded on a piece of onboard technology called the MCU1. Flash storage is form of computer memory that can be electrically erased and reprogrammed to help a computer perform tasks quickly and efficiently. It is often used in computers, USB drives, digital cameras, and networking hardware. According to multiple repair professionals, Teslas are writing vehicle logs to this flash storage chip so frequently that the chip stops working properly.
Short version: Flash memory has limits to how often it can be written to. Because Tesla logs ALL THE THINGS, the flash memory in early models are hitting their max write capacity, and failing - which just so happens to brick the car.
Rich Rebuilds did a thing on that, apparently it's great if you want to sit down and parse through all the things to figure out how different systems in the car work.
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The issue, which was first brought to light by InsideEVs, appears to not only be preventing the screen from turning on, but also won’t let the car charge. It’s more or less a worse case scenario for someone who owns such a digitally-reliant car.
Here’s more detail from Business Insider:
The issue concerns a flash storage chip, called the eMMC, that’s embedded on a piece of onboard technology called the MCU1. Flash storage is form of computer memory that can be electrically erased and reprogrammed to help a computer perform tasks quickly and efficiently. It is often used in computers, USB drives, digital cameras, and networking hardware. According to multiple repair professionals, Teslas are writing vehicle logs to this flash storage chip so frequently that the chip stops working properly.
Short version: Flash memory has limits to how often it can be written to. Because Tesla logs ALL THE THINGS, the flash memory in early models are hitting their max write capacity, and failing - which just so happens to brick the car.
How the fuck can they not know this at the design stage? I'm not a programmer or an engineer and I still fucking knowing that one of the limitations of flash memory is a has a read/write limit.
The issue, which was first brought to light by InsideEVs, appears to not only be preventing the screen from turning on, but also won’t let the car charge. It’s more or less a worse case scenario for someone who owns such a digitally-reliant car.
Here’s more detail from Business Insider:
The issue concerns a flash storage chip, called the eMMC, that’s embedded on a piece of onboard technology called the MCU1. Flash storage is form of computer memory that can be electrically erased and reprogrammed to help a computer perform tasks quickly and efficiently. It is often used in computers, USB drives, digital cameras, and networking hardware. According to multiple repair professionals, Teslas are writing vehicle logs to this flash storage chip so frequently that the chip stops working properly.
Short version: Flash memory has limits to how often it can be written to. Because Tesla logs ALL THE THINGS, the flash memory in early models are hitting their max write capacity, and failing - which just so happens to brick the car.
How the fuck can they not know this at the design stage? I'm not a programmer or an engineer and I still fucking knowing that one of the limitations of flash memory is a has a read/write limit.
The suspicion is that they planned for a much lower level of logging, then a programmer later came in and decided to LOG ALL THE THINGS not caring about the hardware.
If this is to be believed it sounds like everything was written at break neck pace and held together with spit and twine because no one had time to do it right or make it maintainable. In software sometimes a person will quickly write a proof of concept that has no real concerns for security, maintainability, stability, etc. Then suddenly someone comes along and just shoves it in production without giving people the time to turn it from "proof of concept" into something that is meant to be run in the real world. A manager will usually say "oh we will give you time next release to fix those things" and then they never do give you that time.
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Chiming in that we still really like our Niro EV, but they seem to be nigh on impossible to find.
I honestly might try to pick up a used Chevy Bolt when I'm in the market in a couple years, but I'm sure I'll have better options by then.
And also almost 25% of all cars sold in SF in the first half of the year were at least hybrids:
Most days going to work I feel like I'm driving through a car version of the opening scene of Joe Versus the Volcano.
I do really like that yellow Honda E though. Hopefully they announce something about releasing it in Japan soon.
Additionally, depending on climate, color of the car can have a lot to do with heat retention (white was SUPER common in Hawaii when I was there, for example).
That being said, we're there with you. My wife's Honda Fit was bright orange. Made it super easy to find in parking lots, and we kinda miss that :P
I've read articles given by various car company PRs, like Mercedes Benz, Toyota, etc. And people just want to buy shitty muted colors for their shitty muted cars.
So few people bought Benz cars in red that they don't offer it as an option on almost all of their offerings any more, for instance.
Every once in a while, a cool color comes along, like the Hyper Blue on the Focus RS that is duplicated by various other companies (Subaru, Toyota, Honda), but I don't see those as being a stable of colors because they fade just as quickly as they came into style.
I've driven company cars for the last few years. I got to pick the color of the last one and went with "Galactic Aqua", which was a brilliant blue. Loved the color. The car I have now is inherited from somebody else which means that, of course, the unimaginative idiot of a previous driver went with... grey. Ugh.
If and when I go back to owning my own car, getting a not-boring color will be a necessity. There's just no excuse for something that costs upwards of 20k to not have interesting color options.
Toyota has some fun colors out there though, although I dont think they're kind of spread all over the place. To the point where the Supra only has one really impressive color and its a grey/white. I thought they had a really nice red on the Prius lineup, but I dont see it on their website.
Yeah, the more expensive the car gets the less colour they get (until supercar level maybe), it seems. All the fun colours are in the A-segment, Ka, Twingo, 500, Aygo.
You can't give someone a pirate ship in one game, and then take it back in the next game. It's rude.
Go with the blue, I've literally never seen a Cappuccino in that colour before, and I've seen dozens of yellow and red ones.
They really suit all of those colours. But yeah, the blue is a bit special. Really digging that.
Gods, that is a gorgeous car.
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I think that may depend on the kind of car?
I've only bought two cars new - 2009 Impreza, which I got the base 2.5i model and the colour selection was pretty dismal. To get red or blue you had to go up to the sport version. To get the classic Subaru blue you had to go up to the WRX. For the Q60, there were several striking colours. I was going to get blue, but ended up with a brilliant red that people comment on all the time.
Sadly most people do seem to be that boring. When I bought my Stinger it was one of only 2 blue ones the dealership had gotten. I think they only got one red one. There were like 5 or 6 black ones.
Additionally when you move up into the luxury segment, about half the cars there are leased so the BMW/Mercedes/etc dealerships absolutely are concerned about resale value.
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Nine months later I'm still enthralled by it honestly.
Also i never lose it in a parking lot, unlike my wifes silver elantra GT.
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It's real good if you are specifically going somewhere it goes.
(no one is going where it goes)
The trick it to get them to let you go in super early and leave super early.
Also 29miles is a long ass commute in LA.
I'm not sure what to make of this.
The real question is, "why not?"
And what to make of it is that it's awesome.
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Like, I could maybe forgive the f1 mixup, but Jesus how do mistake a Peugeot for a stock car!
Short version: Flash memory has limits to how often it can be written to. Because Tesla logs ALL THE THINGS, the flash memory in early models are hitting their max write capacity, and failing - which just so happens to brick the car.
https://www.hcs.harvard.edu/pnw/microsoftjoke.htm
You know they grabbed an European book and translated it to American.
Well, what were you expecting when a tech company makes a car?
Rich Rebuilds did a thing on that, apparently it's great if you want to sit down and parse through all the things to figure out how different systems in the car work.
How the fuck can they not know this at the design stage? I'm not a programmer or an engineer and I still fucking knowing that one of the limitations of flash memory is a has a read/write limit.
The suspicion is that they planned for a much lower level of logging, then a programmer later came in and decided to LOG ALL THE THINGS not caring about the hardware.
Look at the posts from "fart-powered cars"
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3862643&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=62#post487296229
If this is to be believed it sounds like everything was written at break neck pace and held together with spit and twine because no one had time to do it right or make it maintainable. In software sometimes a person will quickly write a proof of concept that has no real concerns for security, maintainability, stability, etc. Then suddenly someone comes along and just shoves it in production without giving people the time to turn it from "proof of concept" into something that is meant to be run in the real world. A manager will usually say "oh we will give you time next release to fix those things" and then they never do give you that time.
Lately I've had to drive a ton for medical appointments. It's averaging 37.4 MPG. I've never cared about a car until now.
The word "fuck" may have crossed my mind and/or lips.
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