It's hard to imagine the conditions on the dev team that would lead to nobody addressing this problem for years
My buddy is guessing it's dumb internal politics, like the guy who wrote the netcode thinks it's fine and nobody else has access to the repository or something
when SFV trades packets from peer to peer it comes with a timestamp that tells the opponent from when this information came from. Each peer has its own clock that keeps time independently of one another
in SFV, the clock can become desynced due to a variety of performance and network reasons (this is normal, and not unique)
what IS unique is that SFV makes no attempt to FIX the clock mid-round. it only does so when the round timer is not counting. this can make rollback much worse than it should be, and will cause ONE peer to permanently be in a state of time-warp while the other is normal
this patch appears to take the sync behavior that SFV already has, and forces it to take place mid-round. it manifests itself as brief and mild delay/frame skip, before returning a normal stable rollback situation
the sum total is that borderline but stable connections should be fine now, as one would imagine they should be.
i read most of the code of the patch. i think the reason why this hasn't been done officially is because as written, the patch would be a horrible user experience in a truly bad/irredeemable connection. if you played someone on 2-bar wifi in Uruguay, you'd think your PS4 was broken or something. whereas "as-is", that match would be unplayable, but it would very clearly be the game's fault, and you'd just move on with your day... so they torpedo'd so-so matches to make sure the truly awful ones didn't fuck the game up.
I think that if the game didn't have cross play, this might have been done long ago already, and to that end, this patch obliterates crossplay, and makes the PS4 opponent feel like they're on an endless 1-bar connection no matter what
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when SFV trades packets from peer to peer it comes with a timestamp that tells the opponent from when this information came from. Each peer has its own clock that keeps time independently of one another
in SFV, the clock can become desynced due to a variety of performance and network reasons (this is normal, and not unique)
what IS unique is that SFV makes no attempt to FIX the clock mid-round. it only does so when the round timer is not counting. this can make rollback much worse than it should be, and will cause ONE peer to permanently be in a state of time-warp while the other is normal
this patch appears to take the sync behavior that SFV already has, and forces it to take place mid-round. it manifests itself as brief and mild delay/frame skip, before returning a normal stable rollback situation
the sum total is that borderline but stable connections should be fine now, as one would imagine they should be.
i read most of the code of the patch. i think the reason why this hasn't been done officially is because as written, the patch would be a horrible user experience in a truly bad/irredeemable connection. if you played someone on 2-bar wifi in Uruguay, you'd think your PS4 was broken or something. whereas "as-is", that match would be unplayable, but it would very clearly be the game's fault, and you'd just move on with your day... so they torpedo'd so-so matches to make sure the truly awful ones didn't fuck the game up.
I think that if the game didn't have cross play, this might have been done long ago already, and to that end, this patch obliterates crossplay, and makes the PS4 opponent feel like they're on an endless 1-bar connection no matter what
mdz_jimmy, a long time Ryu player, has been talking about his use of a NetDuma router that lets him see the IP and ping of players he's connecting to beforehand, which allows him to gauge whether the connection is actually stable before playing
and that's the bit that still puzzles me - SFV seems incredibly permissive in allowing players with bad connections to still match up against each other, even if they select "5 bar only" as their connection criteria - it seems like it would have been a much better experience over all from day 1 if they were more stringent on how good a connection would have to be to allow for a match, and then have the clock re-sync regularly if a match got bad
I guess it's to make sure players get matches in a more timely manner, but it still feels like that problem could have been solved by having the game search for new matches in the background while a game was on going
Reminder to people: both Thems Fightin' Herds and the base version of SFV are available in the Humble Choice (thing that replaced Humble Monthly) this month.
Also, Tekken 6 (not 7... 6) is free if you have Xbox Gold/Game Pass Ultimate. Plays on both 360 and Xbone.
Reminder to people: both Thems Fightin' Herds and the base version of SFV are available in the Humble Choice (thing that replaced Humble Monthly) this month.
Also, Tekken 6 (not 7... 6) is free if you have Xbox Gold/Game Pass Ultimate. Plays on both 360 and Xbone.
Reminder to people: both Thems Fightin' Herds and the base version of SFV are available in the Humble Choice (thing that replaced Humble Monthly) this month.
Also, Tekken 6 (not 7... 6) is free if you have Xbox Gold/Game Pass Ultimate. Plays on both 360 and Xbone.
6? That's a bold choice
Well they had to leave the Xbox One GWG slots open for big names like... Styx: Shards of Darkness
But it also looks like Tekken 7 is coming to console Game Pass next week, so that's a bit of good news there.
Reminder to people: both Thems Fightin' Herds and the base version of SFV are available in the Humble Choice (thing that replaced Humble Monthly) this month.
Also, Tekken 6 (not 7... 6) is free if you have Xbox Gold/Game Pass Ultimate. Plays on both 360 and Xbone.
6? That's a bold choice
Well they had to leave the Xbox One GWG slots open for big names like... Styx: Shards of Darkness
But it also looks like Tekken 7 is coming to console Game Pass next week, so that's a bit of good news there.
Console only? Licensing is weird!
How are you finding dates for upcoming game pass stuff?
I'm trying to solo battlegrounds as a warrior in classic wow and with no support every right is like zangief vs of sagat in sf2 turbo I win if I spd which happens 1/10 times
What I'm saying is I should play fgs while afking this bullshit so I'm thinking it's dbfz PC time or Tekken or maybe sfv if I find a char I don't hate
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Hot take: It's a good thing those GC joycons are already "broken" and I assume can be attached to the separate clips so when a Melee player rage quits and throws their controller down on the floor, it won't look as devastating because they're already split.
last time I was watching twitch he was streaming semi-regularly, although its not Cross Counter / Capcom Pro Talk Mike Ross
I honestly really like what he’s doing now. It’s literally a basic PS4 strim and he’s just playing Tekken or Guilty Gear and you can watch him but not really!
I mean he had to publicly resurface eventually cause real talk, MONEY, and I think it’s a happy medium of not being forward facing anymore while also have an infinite money portal I can deposit cash into.
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Yeah. I'm sick of Joker
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More specifically, I'm sick of the 'internet nihilist', 'how grimdark can we make this' take on the Joker. I don't think anyone's gonna match Alan Moore's or Chris Nolan's versions anytime soon.
More specifically, I'm sick of the 'internet nihilist', 'how grimdark can we make this' take on the Joker. I don't think anyone's gonna match Alan Moore's or Chris Nolan's versions anytime soon.
Classic Joker is still welcome.
Man... An old school Cesar Romero Joker with big action balloons and a complete lack of blood and gore would have been awesome.
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yeah i can't think of what gief can really do to stop vs2 charging
People are testing it out and the creator is answering questions in the thread.
[edit] Here's a before and after:
https://clips.twitch.tv/EmpathicRudeGalagoGingerPower
https://clips.twitch.tv/SmoothFinePonyDancingBaby
This is actually kinda nuts
My buddy is guessing it's dumb internal politics, like the guy who wrote the netcode thinks it's fine and nobody else has access to the repository or something
in SFV, the clock can become desynced due to a variety of performance and network reasons (this is normal, and not unique)
what IS unique is that SFV makes no attempt to FIX the clock mid-round. it only does so when the round timer is not counting. this can make rollback much worse than it should be, and will cause ONE peer to permanently be in a state of time-warp while the other is normal
this patch appears to take the sync behavior that SFV already has, and forces it to take place mid-round. it manifests itself as brief and mild delay/frame skip, before returning a normal stable rollback situation
the sum total is that borderline but stable connections should be fine now, as one would imagine they should be.
i read most of the code of the patch. i think the reason why this hasn't been done officially is because as written, the patch would be a horrible user experience in a truly bad/irredeemable connection. if you played someone on 2-bar wifi in Uruguay, you'd think your PS4 was broken or something. whereas "as-is", that match would be unplayable, but it would very clearly be the game's fault, and you'd just move on with your day... so they torpedo'd so-so matches to make sure the truly awful ones didn't fuck the game up.
I think that if the game didn't have cross play, this might have been done long ago already, and to that end, this patch obliterates crossplay, and makes the PS4 opponent feel like they're on an endless 1-bar connection no matter what
mdz_jimmy, a long time Ryu player, has been talking about his use of a NetDuma router that lets him see the IP and ping of players he's connecting to beforehand, which allows him to gauge whether the connection is actually stable before playing
and that's the bit that still puzzles me - SFV seems incredibly permissive in allowing players with bad connections to still match up against each other, even if they select "5 bar only" as their connection criteria - it seems like it would have been a much better experience over all from day 1 if they were more stringent on how good a connection would have to be to allow for a match, and then have the clock re-sync regularly if a match got bad
I guess it's to make sure players get matches in a more timely manner, but it still feels like that problem could have been solved by having the game search for new matches in the background while a game was on going
i'm watching Arlieth vs. Automattock right now live, literally coast to coast continental US, and I can actually see Vega's entire dash happen
this is how it's supposed to be
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Also, Tekken 6 (not 7... 6) is free if you have Xbox Gold/Game Pass Ultimate. Plays on both 360 and Xbone.
6? That's a bold choice
Well they had to leave the Xbox One GWG slots open for big names like... Styx: Shards of Darkness
But it also looks like Tekken 7 is coming to console Game Pass next week, so that's a bit of good news there.
Console only? Licensing is weird!
How are you finding dates for upcoming game pass stuff?
What I'm saying is I should play fgs while afking this bullshit so I'm thinking it's dbfz PC time or Tekken or maybe sfv if I find a char I don't hate
Why do people insist on keeping these awful controllers alive? Let those monstrosities die already!
Steam: TheArcadeBear
who's carrying a torch for the n64 controller besides me
Nobody is brave enough to have 3 grips on a controller anymore.
gee I wonder why he stopped promoting SFV
Harddrive please stop reading this thread at work thank you.
Steam: TheArcadeBear
i prefer to remember the good times.... not long before this came the BEST episode of CPT ever....
absolutely peak Ross at the end there
I honestly really like what he’s doing now. It’s literally a basic PS4 strim and he’s just playing Tekken or Guilty Gear and you can watch him but not really!
I mean he had to publicly resurface eventually cause real talk, MONEY, and I think it’s a happy medium of not being forward facing anymore while also have an infinite money portal I can deposit cash into.
Hmm.
Nah.
Classic Joker is still welcome.
Man... An old school Cesar Romero Joker with big action balloons and a complete lack of blood and gore would have been awesome.