The sources for this seem to be coming from The Sun, so I wouldn’t take it as gospel yet, but Business Insider are reporting that Johnson has canceled his planned trip to D.C. after Trump became “apoplectic” during a phone call with him and slammed the phone down on him.
I'm seeing people on Reddit say "Well the EU-Japan trade deal means this was going to happen anyway".
They know we're leaving the EU right?
The reasoning is:
- Honda only had a plant in the UK to sell cars into the EU market without tariffs
- The EU-Japan trade deal means that (within a few years) they'll be able to sell Japanese manufactured cars into the EU market tariff free anyway
- therefore Honda no longer need a UK plant and wouldn't maintain that capacity
It doesn't quite stack up, but it is probably true to say that the original rationale that prompted Japanese manufacturers to set up UK plants in the first place is diminished
It would probably be more accurate to observe that the combination of Brexit and the EU-Japan trade deal makes it likely that once the plants close those jobs are never coming back
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The sources for this seem to be coming from The Sun, so I wouldn’t take it as gospel yet, but Business Insider are reporting that Johnson has canceled his planned trip to D.C. after Trump became “apoplectic” during a phone call with him and slammed the phone down on him.
Boris Johnson has cancelled his planned trip to the White House after Trump slammed the phone down on him in a moment of 'apoplectic' fury
Apparently this happened after a series of disputes over Iran, Huawei and the extradition request for the woman who ran over Harry Dunn.
Can i just say how depressing this trailer at the bottom of the linked article is?
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I'm seeing people on Reddit say "Well the EU-Japan trade deal means this was going to happen anyway".
They know we're leaving the EU right?
The reasoning is:
- Honda only had a plant in the UK to sell cars into the EU market without tariffs
- The EU-Japan trade deal means that (within a few years) they'll be able to sell Japanese manufactured cars into the EU market tariff free anyway
- therefore Honda no longer need a UK plant and wouldn't maintain that capacity
It doesn't quite stack up, but it is probably true to say that the original rationale that prompted Japanese manufacturers to set up UK plants in the first place is diminished
It would probably be more accurate to observe that the combination of Brexit and the EU-Japan trade deal makes it likely that once the plants close those jobs are never coming back
There's a decent chance they would have kept it going for at least awhile without Brexit because it's already there and going so why not? Transitioning that work to a different plant costs money.
I'm seeing people on Reddit say "Well the EU-Japan trade deal means this was going to happen anyway".
They know we're leaving the EU right?
The reasoning is:
- Honda only had a plant in the UK to sell cars into the EU market without tariffs
- The EU-Japan trade deal means that (within a few years) they'll be able to sell Japanese manufactured cars into the EU market tariff free anyway
- therefore Honda no longer need a UK plant and wouldn't maintain that capacity
It doesn't quite stack up, but it is probably true to say that the original rationale that prompted Japanese manufacturers to set up UK plants in the first place is diminished
It would probably be more accurate to observe that the combination of Brexit and the EU-Japan trade deal makes it likely that once the plants close those jobs are never coming back
There's a decent chance they would have kept it going for at least awhile without Brexit because it's already there and going so why not? Transitioning that work to a different plant costs money.
Closing a factory in the U.K. so you can increase production in another factory in N.A. or Japan so you can ship cars across an ocean instead of the channel makes as much sense as Brexit.
I'm seeing people on Reddit say "Well the EU-Japan trade deal means this was going to happen anyway".
They know we're leaving the EU right?
The reasoning is:
- Honda only had a plant in the UK to sell cars into the EU market without tariffs
- The EU-Japan trade deal means that (within a few years) they'll be able to sell Japanese manufactured cars into the EU market tariff free anyway
- therefore Honda no longer need a UK plant and wouldn't maintain that capacity
It doesn't quite stack up, but it is probably true to say that the original rationale that prompted Japanese manufacturers to set up UK plants in the first place is diminished
It would probably be more accurate to observe that the combination of Brexit and the EU-Japan trade deal makes it likely that once the plants close those jobs are never coming back
There's a decent chance they would have kept it going for at least awhile without Brexit because it's already there and going so why not? Transitioning that work to a different plant costs money.
Closing a factory in the U.K. so you can increase production in another factory in N.A. or Japan so you can ship cars across an ocean instead of the channel makes as much sense as Brexit.
Eh, shipping of the kind they'd use is pretty cheap and cars aren't really something you need to move quickly from factory to market. It's usually more about sunk costs.
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I'm seeing people on Reddit say "Well the EU-Japan trade deal means this was going to happen anyway".
They know we're leaving the EU right?
The reasoning is:
- Honda only had a plant in the UK to sell cars into the EU market without tariffs
- The EU-Japan trade deal means that (within a few years) they'll be able to sell Japanese manufactured cars into the EU market tariff free anyway
- therefore Honda no longer need a UK plant and wouldn't maintain that capacity
It doesn't quite stack up, but it is probably true to say that the original rationale that prompted Japanese manufacturers to set up UK plants in the first place is diminished
It would probably be more accurate to observe that the combination of Brexit and the EU-Japan trade deal makes it likely that once the plants close those jobs are never coming back
There's a decent chance they would have kept it going for at least awhile without Brexit because it's already there and going so why not? Transitioning that work to a different plant costs money.
Closing a factory in the U.K. so you can increase production in another factory in N.A. or Japan so you can ship cars across an ocean instead of the channel makes as much sense as Brexit.
Eh, shipping of the kind they'd use is pretty cheap and cars aren't really something you need to move quickly from factory to market. It's usually more about sunk costs.
No one is shipping mass market cars half way around the world, their shipping costs are enourmas and the delay is intolerable given that modern car-enomoics makes every car bespoke.
The Swindon Nissan plant was making the wrong kind of cars, its closure has been on the books for a while - Brexit is just the final piece of the puzzle.
I'm seeing people on Reddit say "Well the EU-Japan trade deal means this was going to happen anyway".
They know we're leaving the EU right?
The reasoning is:
- Honda only had a plant in the UK to sell cars into the EU market without tariffs
- The EU-Japan trade deal means that (within a few years) they'll be able to sell Japanese manufactured cars into the EU market tariff free anyway
- therefore Honda no longer need a UK plant and wouldn't maintain that capacity
It doesn't quite stack up, but it is probably true to say that the original rationale that prompted Japanese manufacturers to set up UK plants in the first place is diminished
It would probably be more accurate to observe that the combination of Brexit and the EU-Japan trade deal makes it likely that once the plants close those jobs are never coming back
There's a decent chance they would have kept it going for at least awhile without Brexit because it's already there and going so why not? Transitioning that work to a different plant costs money.
Closing a factory in the U.K. so you can increase production in another factory in N.A. or Japan so you can ship cars across an ocean instead of the channel makes as much sense as Brexit.
Eh, shipping of the kind they'd use is pretty cheap and cars aren't really something you need to move quickly from factory to market. It's usually more about sunk costs.
No one is shipping mass market cars half way around the world, their shipping costs are enourmas and the delay is intolerable given that modern car-enomoics makes every car bespoke.
The Swindon Nissan plant was making the wrong kind of cars, its closure has been on the books for a while - Brexit is just the final piece of the puzzle.
The plant might of stuck around if the Brexit had established the trade terms quickly. Right now they're on a 11 month clock before their just in time pipeline from the continent grinds to a sudden and jarring halt. Until December it seemed possible that Brexit might be soft or delayed. Now it seems to be locked in and going fairly hard. Without nearly seamless border crossing they can't feed that plant or send it's produce to market.
Without Brexit they may have retooled it but that's a big expense that you'd want to be confident would be paid back. Brexit shattered the faith in the market conditions that let a plant in the UK work as the source for the EU market.
a very interesting point i did not realise: a consequence of the paperwork burden on non-eu imports is that broadly our trade with the eu consists of a lot of mixed loads on lorries - ie lots of different goods in a single container, while our imports from elsewhere tend to be a single good ( only one commodity code, only one set of paperwork ). so it is not the case that a lot of our existing eu trade is a move to "the same thing we do for elsewhere", it is "restructure your entire import process in order to make it only just as much of a ballache as importing from elsewhere or pay a freight consolidator for bonus overhead"
Jesus christ that sounds like a fucking disaster for a ton of businesses.
it gets even worse if you consider that some goods that are viewed as a nightmare to ship internationally eg things like boxes of belgian chocolates have been getting in via the eu. if u take a bunch of mixed chocolates they might contain some liquers, some containing fruit etc and each of those has an individual commodity code and separate set of forms that must be filled out. if there is an error then it needs to be fixed on the spot - what is the chance ur freight driver knows the exact cacao composition of each individual chocolate, or origin of the fruit? etc. so it is not even the case that u can straightforwardly just divide ur goods up, because some goods are inherently mixed!
Following onto this, it's probably worth reading this (year old) article on what a day of UK-EU haulage is like:
(no idea if this is paywalled/IP-gated I'm afraid)
The Eurotunnel section in particular sticks out. Eurotunnel (or as the company has rebranded itself to now, "Getlink") are promising there will be no friction at all after the actual finalisation of Brexit on the 31st Dec. Everyone who uses it regularly is rightfully skeptical, not just because of the increase in checks, but because - as noted in the article above - there is very little physical room to move vehicles aside into if their documents are not in order. Disruptions affect the entire queue, not just the vehicles in question.
2016: No checks
2017: No checks
2018: Absolutely no checks
2019: No checks under any circumstances
2020: We always said there would be checks. That's what you voted for.
It's fair to say that the new cabinet are not getting off to the best of starts
Suella Braverman, who is an actual barrister, was dismantled by Krishnan Guru-Murthy armed only with the most pedestrian of questions about the membership of the ERG, now that the cabinet is dominated by them
Lewis Goodall of Newsnight has been pressing the office of the SoS for NI for clarification of their apparently self contradictory comments re: border checks between GB and NI
Lots of questions flying around about the conflict of interest presented by Rishi Sunak's past career administering hedge funds in tax havens and his being linked by marriage to a family of billionaires with a direct material interest in UK tax policy
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62% of 2017 Labour voters who switched to the Tories, said they would have voted as they did in 2019 even if Brexit had not been at stake.
non uk person here, trying to wrap my head around this
that Corbyn = Bad I understand, but the dissonance between Labour leavers saying Brexit wasn't part of their decision and the very same leavers saying Brexit was the most dominant issue this election confounds me
so they say brexit is important, but not related to their decision to not vote labour? or they're saying brexit isn't important and they decided to leave labour because they disagreed with their policy/didn't think they could implement it?
trying to suss out what, aside from the disdain for Corbyn as a person, one is supposed to take away from these findings. Is it emotional/ideological detachment from "Young Labour" being appealed to over traditional working class or brexit playing a more significant part in changing people's voting patterns than the people themselves are ready to admit?
62% of 2017 Labour voters who switched to the Tories, said they would have voted as they did in 2019 even if Brexit had not been at stake.
non uk person here, trying to wrap my head around this
that Corbyn = Bad I understand, but the dissonance between Labour leavers saying Brexit wasn't part of their decision and the very same leavers saying Brexit was the most dominant issue this election confounds me
so they say brexit is important, but not related to their decision to not vote labour? or they're saying brexit isn't important and they decided to leave labour because they disagreed with their policy/didn't think they could implement it?
trying to suss out what, aside from the disdain for Corbyn as a person, one is supposed to take away from these findings. Is it emotional/ideological detachment from "Young Labour" being appealed to over traditional working class or brexit playing a more significant part in changing people's voting patterns than the people themselves are ready to admit?
It's pretty simple, but voters have differentiations as to what the issue with Labour is. The reality is that it was all the aspects you are saying. Labour miscalculated on the importance of Brexit during the election and focused on policies that in reality were 2 years out of date in its effectiveness.
Anyhow with the way Labour is here is how the Labour Party will read the results
Translation in Labour speak:
1) Right Wing media bias demonising saint Corbyn.
2) Media and Tory lies brainwashed the people
3) Labour no longer represents those bigots and racists
4) Labour will only get Brexit done if we stay in the EU.
5) You are a rich fat cat Tory.
I'm not sure how much of a twittersphere issue this is, but there is some pretty interesting gossip flying around about Dominic Cummings' new SpAd appointments
I haven't seen a huge amount of mainstream coverage of Sabisky, but some of his more delightful opinions include:
- arguing in favour of eugenics
- mandatory contraception for the poor
- policy measures to "discourage" women from attending university, so that their most fertile years aren't "wasted"
- defunding women's sport and the Paralympics
- bell curve bullshit in regard to intelligence among black men
I'm not sure how much of a twittersphere issue this is, but there is some pretty interesting gossip flying around about Dominic Cummings' new SpAd appointments
I haven't seen a huge amount of mainstream coverage of Sabisky, but some of his more delightful opinions include:
- arguing in favour of eugenics
- mandatory contraception for the poor
- policy measures to "discourage" women from attending university, so that their most fertile years aren't "wasted"
- defunding women's sport and the Paralympics
- bell curve bullshit in regard to intelligence among black men
So THAT'S what "too disgusting even for a Tory" looks like? Kinda surprised TBH I expected a lot of that to be foundational thinking in varying degrees for a common Tory.
I'm not sure how much of a twittersphere issue this is, but there is some pretty interesting gossip flying around about Dominic Cummings' new SpAd appointments
I haven't seen a huge amount of mainstream coverage of Sabisky, but some of his more delightful opinions include:
- arguing in favour of eugenics
- mandatory contraception for the poor
- policy measures to "discourage" women from attending university, so that their most fertile years aren't "wasted"
- defunding women's sport and the Paralympics
- bell curve bullshit in regard to intelligence among black men
So THAT'S what "too disgusting even for a Tory" looks like? Kinda surprised TBH I expected a lot of that to be foundational thinking in varying degrees for a common Tory.
I guess Tories need to tell themselves that they don't actively want to kill the poor. They want to cut costs, balance the budget, enrich themselves and their friends from college, let the free market take care of things, whatever, and just so happen to create circumstances in which the poor die more easily.
And then this guy comes along and says that, no, actually, he really does just want to kill the poor.
I know the Tories have had a few female leaders now, albeit with some wierd "tell me I've been a naughty boy please nanny" undercurrents but at the grassroots level they're still catching up to the whole "women are people too" thing. Let's face it JRM thinks his wife is a cook/babymaker and do you really think there aren't many more like him in the mix?
I'm not sure how much of a twittersphere issue this is, but there is some pretty interesting gossip flying around about Dominic Cummings' new SpAd appointments
I haven't seen a huge amount of mainstream coverage of Sabisky, but some of his more delightful opinions include:
- arguing in favour of eugenics
- mandatory contraception for the poor
- policy measures to "discourage" women from attending university, so that their most fertile years aren't "wasted"
- defunding women's sport and the Paralympics
- bell curve bullshit in regard to intelligence among black men
So THAT'S what "too disgusting even for a Tory" looks like? Kinda surprised TBH I expected a lot of that to be foundational thinking in varying degrees for a common Tory.
I guess Tories need to tell themselves that they don't actively want to kill the poor. They want to cut costs, balance the budget, enrich themselves and their friends from college, let the free market takes care of things, whatever, and just so happen to create circumstances in which the poor die more easily.
And then this guy comes along and says that, no, actually, he really does just want to kill the poor.
My uninformed bet is that is about the focus. Focusing on killing the poor as a goal instead of just a natural consequence of fueling wealth upwards seems so....pedestrian and low class. Likely they don't want someone focused on what the peasants are doing instead of making money.
I mean, those beliefs may be about killing the poor but only as a way of targeting killing the brown people. It’s clearly all about a perceived race competition where we need to outbreed them to win.
I mean, those beliefs may be about killing the poor but only as a way of targeting killing the brown people. It’s clearly all about a perceived race competition where we need to outbreed them to win.
I'm not saying the Tories aren't racist, I mean no one wants to die on that particular hill, but at the same time I see no evidence that they're not happy for the white poor to die of easily preventable causes. I mean shit, as soon as robots are good enough to dig ditches and scrub toilets they'll have no use for other humans at all.
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I mean, those beliefs may be about killing the poor but only as a way of targeting killing the brown people. It’s clearly all about a perceived race competition where we need to outbreed them to win.
I'm not saying the Tories aren't racist, I mean no one wants to die on that particular hill, but at the same time I see no evidence that they're not happy for the white poor to die of easily preventable causes. I mean shit, as soon as robots are good enough to dig ditches and scrub toilets they'll have no use for other humans at all.
Being rich barely means anything if you aren't elevated above the suffering and indignities of the common man
Wealth capture isn't just caused by greed, it's also about keeping everybody else down
62% of 2017 Labour voters who switched to the Tories, said they would have voted as they did in 2019 even if Brexit had not been at stake.
non uk person here, trying to wrap my head around this
that Corbyn = Bad I understand, but the dissonance between Labour leavers saying Brexit wasn't part of their decision and the very same leavers saying Brexit was the most dominant issue this election confounds me
so they say brexit is important, but not related to their decision to not vote labour? or they're saying brexit isn't important and they decided to leave labour because they disagreed with their policy/didn't think they could implement it?
trying to suss out what, aside from the disdain for Corbyn as a person, one is supposed to take away from these findings. Is it emotional/ideological detachment from "Young Labour" being appealed to over traditional working class or brexit playing a more significant part in changing people's voting patterns than the people themselves are ready to admit?
Its the difference between “the reason i had” and “my perceptions of the election”.
I mean, those beliefs may be about killing the poor but only as a way of targeting killing the brown people. It’s clearly all about a perceived race competition where we need to outbreed them to win.
I'm not saying the Tories aren't racist, I mean no one wants to die on that particular hill, but at the same time I see no evidence that they're not happy for the white poor to die of easily preventable causes. I mean shit, as soon as robots are good enough to dig ditches and scrub toilets they'll have no use for other humans at all.
That’s what I mean. Standard Tories end up discriminating against race as a side effect of discrimination against the poor. This new guy clearly discriminates directly against race and isn’t subtle about it. Hence why they can be up in arms about him.
I mean, those beliefs may be about killing the poor but only as a way of targeting killing the brown people. It’s clearly all about a perceived race competition where we need to outbreed them to win.
I'm not saying the Tories aren't racist, I mean no one wants to die on that particular hill, but at the same time I see no evidence that they're not happy for the white poor to die of easily preventable causes. I mean shit, as soon as robots are good enough to dig ditches and scrub toilets they'll have no use for other humans at all.
That’s what I mean. Standard Tories end up discriminating against race as a side effect of discrimination against the poor. This new guy clearly discriminates directly against race and isn’t subtle about it. Hence why they can be up in arms about him.
Also, he sounds like a bore. Can you imagine being around one of those guys that always complains about what the peasants are doing instead of, you know, just relaxing and snorting coke from a hooker's ass enjoying their wealth like, you know, normal people?
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GumpyThere is alwaysa greater powerRegistered Userregular
I'm not sure how much of a twittersphere issue this is, but there is some pretty interesting gossip flying around about Dominic Cummings' new SpAd appointments
I haven't seen a huge amount of mainstream coverage of Sabisky, but some of his more delightful opinions include:
- arguing in favour of eugenics
- mandatory contraception for the poor
- policy measures to "discourage" women from attending university, so that their most fertile years aren't "wasted"
- defunding women's sport and the Paralympics
- bell curve bullshit in regard to intelligence among black men
I've literally never heard any of these opinions from him, or anything along these lines. He's never advocated any of these positions to me, or anything like these positions.
I get the feeling that this is a bit of a media hatchet job on him as the old SPADs are booted out of government. Still, can't say what I've seen today's been completely normal.
I'm missing something, I think. Why would you be surprised at these opinions from a guy most people had never heard of until this story broke? The stories cite posts by him on websites, so they're opinions he's either publicly expressed or he's got an incredible libel case that'll make him very rich.
I'm missing something, I think. Why would you be surprised at these opinions from a guy most people had never heard of until this story broke? The stories cite posts by him on websites, so they're opinions he's either publicly expressed or he's got an incredible libel case that'll make him very rich.
Dude's a friend of a friend, so I've run into him three or four times in the last couple of years. I don't know him well enough to give a character reference, but every time I've chatted to him I've not seen a person who fits the above characterisation.
Boris Johnson’s spokesman has refused to say whether the prime minister thinks black people have lower IQs on average, or agrees with eugenics, after No 10 hired an adviser with highly controversial views.
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“The prime minister’s views are well publicised and well documented,” the spokesman said more than 10 times, when asked to give Johnson’s views on the intelligence of black people and eugenics, the study of methods to selectively breed people to improve the human race.
Boris Johnson’s spokesman has refused to say whether the prime minister thinks black people have lower IQs on average, or agrees with eugenics, after No 10 hired an adviser with highly controversial views.
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“The prime minister’s views are well publicised and well documented,” the spokesman said more than 10 times, when asked to give Johnson’s views on the intelligence of black people and eugenics, the study of methods to selectively breed people to improve the human race.
What abject, absolute, utter cowardice. Firing Sabisky should be the easiest thing in the world. It should be the most basic of steps to rectify this. It’s not like he’s made any secret of his views. It’s not like any government in 2020 should have anyone with those views in any role, official or unofficial. Instead Johnson keeps him on and pleads that he doesn’t agree? Pathetic.
Just how much hold over Johnson does Cummings have?
I imagine they've calculated that the only people who'll be pleased by firing this guy are already anti-Tory and some of the ones they'd upset by firing him are currently Tory so just shrug it off and wait until it blows over. The vast majority of people won't care about this or even hear about it, and they have no personal sense of shame now, so there's no impetus to sack him or even scold his views publicly.
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Apparently this happened after a series of disputes over Iran, Huawei and the extradition request for the woman who ran over Harry Dunn.
The reasoning is:
- Honda only had a plant in the UK to sell cars into the EU market without tariffs
- The EU-Japan trade deal means that (within a few years) they'll be able to sell Japanese manufactured cars into the EU market tariff free anyway
- therefore Honda no longer need a UK plant and wouldn't maintain that capacity
It doesn't quite stack up, but it is probably true to say that the original rationale that prompted Japanese manufacturers to set up UK plants in the first place is diminished
It would probably be more accurate to observe that the combination of Brexit and the EU-Japan trade deal makes it likely that once the plants close those jobs are never coming back
Can i just say how depressing this trailer at the bottom of the linked article is?
There's a decent chance they would have kept it going for at least awhile without Brexit because it's already there and going so why not? Transitioning that work to a different plant costs money.
Closing a factory in the U.K. so you can increase production in another factory in N.A. or Japan so you can ship cars across an ocean instead of the channel makes as much sense as Brexit.
Eh, shipping of the kind they'd use is pretty cheap and cars aren't really something you need to move quickly from factory to market. It's usually more about sunk costs.
Which the U.K. could of pushed back against if they were still a member.
Exactly.
No one is shipping mass market cars half way around the world, their shipping costs are enourmas and the delay is intolerable given that modern car-enomoics makes every car bespoke.
The Swindon Nissan plant was making the wrong kind of cars, its closure has been on the books for a while - Brexit is just the final piece of the puzzle.
I made a game, it has penguins in it. It's pay what you like on Gumroad.
Currently Ebaying Nothing at all but I might do in the future.
The plant might of stuck around if the Brexit had established the trade terms quickly. Right now they're on a 11 month clock before their just in time pipeline from the continent grinds to a sudden and jarring halt. Until December it seemed possible that Brexit might be soft or delayed. Now it seems to be locked in and going fairly hard. Without nearly seamless border crossing they can't feed that plant or send it's produce to market.
Without Brexit they may have retooled it but that's a big expense that you'd want to be confident would be paid back. Brexit shattered the faith in the market conditions that let a plant in the UK work as the source for the EU market.
https://www.ft.com/content/d2aa1a9c-1d91-11e9-b126-46fc3ad87c65
(no idea if this is paywalled/IP-gated I'm afraid)
The Eurotunnel section in particular sticks out. Eurotunnel (or as the company has rebranded itself to now, "Getlink") are promising there will be no friction at all after the actual finalisation of Brexit on the 31st Dec. Everyone who uses it regularly is rightfully skeptical, not just because of the increase in checks, but because - as noted in the article above - there is very little physical room to move vehicles aside into if their documents are not in order. Disruptions affect the entire queue, not just the vehicles in question.
It's going to be b a n a n a s
2017: No checks
2018: Absolutely no checks
2019: No checks under any circumstances
2020: We always said there would be checks. That's what you voted for.
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Suella Braverman, who is an actual barrister, was dismantled by Krishnan Guru-Murthy armed only with the most pedestrian of questions about the membership of the ERG, now that the cabinet is dominated by them
Lewis Goodall of Newsnight has been pressing the office of the SoS for NI for clarification of their apparently self contradictory comments re: border checks between GB and NI
Lots of questions flying around about the conflict of interest presented by Rishi Sunak's past career administering hedge funds in tax havens and his being linked by marriage to a family of billionaires with a direct material interest in UK tax policy
non uk person here, trying to wrap my head around this
that Corbyn = Bad I understand, but the dissonance between Labour leavers saying Brexit wasn't part of their decision and the very same leavers saying Brexit was the most dominant issue this election confounds me
so they say brexit is important, but not related to their decision to not vote labour? or they're saying brexit isn't important and they decided to leave labour because they disagreed with their policy/didn't think they could implement it?
trying to suss out what, aside from the disdain for Corbyn as a person, one is supposed to take away from these findings. Is it emotional/ideological detachment from "Young Labour" being appealed to over traditional working class or brexit playing a more significant part in changing people's voting patterns than the people themselves are ready to admit?
It's pretty simple, but voters have differentiations as to what the issue with Labour is. The reality is that it was all the aspects you are saying. Labour miscalculated on the importance of Brexit during the election and focused on policies that in reality were 2 years out of date in its effectiveness.
Anyhow with the way Labour is here is how the Labour Party will read the results
Translation in Labour speak:
1) Right Wing media bias demonising saint Corbyn.
2) Media and Tory lies brainwashed the people
3) Labour no longer represents those bigots and racists
4) Labour will only get Brexit done if we stay in the EU.
5) You are a rich fat cat Tory.
(Alex Wickham is at BuzzFeed politics)
I haven't seen a huge amount of mainstream coverage of Sabisky, but some of his more delightful opinions include:
- arguing in favour of eugenics
- mandatory contraception for the poor
- policy measures to "discourage" women from attending university, so that their most fertile years aren't "wasted"
- defunding women's sport and the Paralympics
- bell curve bullshit in regard to intelligence among black men
So THAT'S what "too disgusting even for a Tory" looks like? Kinda surprised TBH I expected a lot of that to be foundational thinking in varying degrees for a common Tory.
I guess Tories need to tell themselves that they don't actively want to kill the poor. They want to cut costs, balance the budget, enrich themselves and their friends from college, let the free market take care of things, whatever, and just so happen to create circumstances in which the poor die more easily.
And then this guy comes along and says that, no, actually, he really does just want to kill the poor.
My uninformed bet is that is about the focus. Focusing on killing the poor as a goal instead of just a natural consequence of fueling wealth upwards seems so....pedestrian and low class. Likely they don't want someone focused on what the peasants are doing instead of making money.
I'm not saying the Tories aren't racist, I mean no one wants to die on that particular hill, but at the same time I see no evidence that they're not happy for the white poor to die of easily preventable causes. I mean shit, as soon as robots are good enough to dig ditches and scrub toilets they'll have no use for other humans at all.
Being rich barely means anything if you aren't elevated above the suffering and indignities of the common man
Wealth capture isn't just caused by greed, it's also about keeping everybody else down
I got a little excited when I saw your ship.
Its the difference between “the reason i had” and “my perceptions of the election”.
That’s what I mean. Standard Tories end up discriminating against race as a side effect of discrimination against the poor. This new guy clearly discriminates directly against race and isn’t subtle about it. Hence why they can be up in arms about him.
Also, he sounds like a bore. Can you imagine being around one of those guys that always complains about what the peasants are doing instead of, you know, just relaxing and snorting coke from a hooker's ass enjoying their wealth like, you know, normal people?
I've literally never heard any of these opinions from him, or anything along these lines. He's never advocated any of these positions to me, or anything like these positions.
I get the feeling that this is a bit of a media hatchet job on him as the old SPADs are booted out of government. Still, can't say what I've seen today's been completely normal.
Odd day.
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Dude's a friend of a friend, so I've run into him three or four times in the last couple of years. I don't know him well enough to give a character reference, but every time I've chatted to him I've not seen a person who fits the above characterisation.
Ask him if he sued Mitchell and Webb for plagiarism.
Sounds like a one of thise guys who give student level political comments all over twitter but he is part of the goivernment.
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What abject, absolute, utter cowardice. Firing Sabisky should be the easiest thing in the world. It should be the most basic of steps to rectify this. It’s not like he’s made any secret of his views. It’s not like any government in 2020 should have anyone with those views in any role, official or unofficial. Instead Johnson keeps him on and pleads that he doesn’t agree? Pathetic.
Just how much hold over Johnson does Cummings have?
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