Makes me wanna boldly go, which is funny because DS9 is not about boldly going anywhere other than the murky realms of moral relativism
yeah I adore the DS9 theme, it's one of my favourite opening themes in TV in general, honestly.
Also I really liked the Picard theme! I don't think the series had stellar music overall but there were some really good pieces, especially that theme.
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Inquisitor772 x Penny Arcade Fight Club ChampionA fixed point in space and timeRegistered Userregular
I used to hate the DS9 theme merely for the crime of not being the TNG theme. Thankfully I've grown out of that stage and can appreciate it for what it is.
TNG just used the theme Jerry Goldsmith composed for The Motion Picture. Though, speaking of the movies, I loved how they got James Horner to make the theme for the Wrath of Khan. It's like after getting Goldsmith for the first movie they wanted to keep getting top billed composers for their movies.
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Star Trek 5 has some really really underrated music, they brought Jerry Goldsmith back for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjSqwGpX7hg
The first minute is basically music from TMP and then it turns into this moody what does god need with a starship situation
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TNG just used the theme Jerry Goldsmith composed for The Motion Picture. Though, speaking of the movies, I loved how they got James Horner to make the theme for the Wrath of Khan. It's like after getting Goldsmith for the first movie they wanted to keep getting top billed composers for their movies.
Wrath of Khan music is by far my favorite Star Trek music. Really hits me in all the right places.
I liked it so much, that when I was a young teenager and couldn't afford to buy the soundtrack, I took my boom box and recorded the opening theme from our VHS copy of Wrath of Khan. You can imagine the piss poor audio quality. I didn't care, it meant I could listen to it in my room.
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If CBS just sold this show or the rights to Netflix, HBO, or Hulu, we'd probably have a larger chance of traditional Trek.
That's what depresses me. I've come to believe CBS is simply incapable of making good Star Trek again, and haven't been able to since basically Voyager. For whatever reason good writing and letting Trek do what Trek is good at can't pierce the entrenched corporate thinking around that place. Basically CBS needs to give a really good writing and production team a blank check to make a slow, cerebral show, and they're just never going to do that. I mean..what VP is going to risk their position greenlighting that?
I'm not too worried. I have a feeling all these streaming platforms are in for a wake-up call when they realize folks don't want to be paying $10-15 a month for 5+ of them. I've listened to a couple podcasts now with business analysts that are scratching their heads around these network services; as it's profitable and way less work to just make content and sell it to others. Why take on all the overhead of building and maintaining a platform (making it work across dozens of devices, network performance and costs, maintenance, etc)?
If I had to guess, Peacock and CBS are going to be some of the first to go. I just can't see them competing with Apple, Netflix, HBO, Hulu, Amazon, and Disney. The question is how long will that take, hopefully sooner rather than later.
TNG just used the theme Jerry Goldsmith composed for The Motion Picture. Though, speaking of the movies, I loved how they got James Horner to make the theme for the Wrath of Khan. It's like after getting Goldsmith for the first movie they wanted to keep getting top billed composers for their movies.
Wrath of Khan music is by far my favorite Star Trek music. Really hits me in all the right places.
I liked it so much, that when I was a young teenager and couldn't afford to buy the soundtrack, I took my boom box and recorded the opening theme from our VHS copy of Wrath of Khan. You can imagine the piss poor audio quality. I didn't care, it meant I could listen to it in my room.
omg I did the same thing
(though what I recorded was the two fights with Reliant.)
If CBS just sold this show or the rights to Netflix, HBO, or Hulu, we'd probably have a larger chance of traditional Trek.
That's what depresses me. I've come to believe CBS is simply incapable of making good Star Trek again, and haven't been able to since basically Voyager. For whatever reason good writing and letting Trek do what Trek is good at can't pierce the entrenched corporate thinking around that place. Basically CBS needs to give a really good writing and production team a blank check to make a slow, cerebral show, and they're just never going to do that. I mean..what VP is going to risk their position greenlighting that?
I'm not too worried. I have a feeling all these streaming platforms are in for a wake-up call when they realize folks don't want to be paying $10-15 a month for 5+ of them. I've listened to a couple podcasts now with business analysts that are scratching their heads around these network services; as it's profitable and way less work to just make content and sell it to others. Why take on all the overhead of building and maintaining a platform (making it work across dozens of devices, network performance and costs, maintenance, etc)?
If I had to guess, Peacock and CBS are going to be some of the first to go. I just can't see them competing with Apple, Netflix, HBO, Hulu, Amazon, and Disney. The question is how long will that take, hopefully sooner rather than later.
Business-think imo. You see all the money the people you are selling the content to are making and think "But that could be my money!".
This entire thing basically started because Netflix suddenly began making a bunch of money on their streaming service and every content making entity was like "But that's my content. It's my money!".
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I loved how they got James Horner to make the theme for the Wrath of Khan. It's like after getting Goldsmith for the first movie they wanted to keep getting top billed composers for their movies.
James Horner was actually not a big composer at the time! They couldn't afford a big composer, because the movie was only made because Harve Bennett promised Paramount he could bring it in for something like under $15 million, so they went cheap wherever possible.
In 1982 Horner was 29 and teaching music at UCLA. he'd only done a couple of film scores up to that point, the main one being for Roger Corman's Battle Beyond the Stars (Corman's low-budget Star Wars ripoff). Star Trek II was what made him big.
A lot of the music for The Wrath of Khan was actually...creatively repurposed stuff from Battle Beyond the Stars. I guess he believed in waste not want not:
I loved how they got James Horner to make the theme for the Wrath of Khan. It's like after getting Goldsmith for the first movie they wanted to keep getting top billed composers for their movies.
James Horner was actually not a big composer at the time! They couldn't afford a big composer, because the movie was only made because Harve Bennett promised Paramount he could bring it in for something like under $15 million, so they went cheap wherever possible.
In 1982 Horner was 29 and teaching music at UCLA. he'd only done a couple of film scores up to that point, the main one being for Roger Corman's Battle Beyond the Stars (Corman's low-budget Star Wars ripoff). Star Trek II was what made him big.
A lot of the music for The Wrath of Khan was actually...creatively repurposed stuff from Battle Beyond the Stars. I guess he believed in waste not want not:
Roger Corman's The Magnificent Seven Samurai... IN SPACE!
John Boy vs. John Saxon! with George Peppard as Space Cowboy (yes really), Sybill Danning as the eye candy in a metal bikini, Robert Vaughn basically reprising his role from the Seven, assorted quirky and colorful aliens to round out the crew, and introducing a promising young composer named James Horner...
And Horner continued to be well-known for... "creatively repurposing" elements of his previous work throughout the rest of his career.
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It's a dirty little secret, but most movie composers "reuse" elements. John Williams, though one of my favorites, frequently outright steals passages from classical music.
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Inquisitor772 x Penny Arcade Fight Club ChampionA fixed point in space and timeRegistered Userregular
I remember when people were all like, "John Williams is a hack! The Imperial March is just Mars, the Bringer of War!"
And there's that whole Youtube video with that guy who sings every pop song created that uses the same chords as Pachelbel's Canon.
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I had never heard Mars, Bringer of War before now. But I recognize a couple of movie soundtracks and some t.v. show soundtracks that have clearly borrowed from it. Actually, I find that the opening theme from Star Trek 6 sounds like it has taken more from it than The Imperial March has.
I had never heard Mars, Bringer of War before now. But I recognize a couple of movie soundtracks and some t.v. show soundtracks that have clearly borrowed from it. Actually, I find that the opening theme from Star Trek 6 sounds like it has taken more from it than The Imperial March has.
If CBS just sold this show or the rights to Netflix, HBO, or Hulu, we'd probably have a larger chance of traditional Trek.
That's what depresses me. I've come to believe CBS is simply incapable of making good Star Trek again, and haven't been able to since basically Voyager. For whatever reason good writing and letting Trek do what Trek is good at can't pierce the entrenched corporate thinking around that place. Basically CBS needs to give a really good writing and production team a blank check to make a slow, cerebral show, and they're just never going to do that. I mean..what VP is going to risk their position greenlighting that?
I'm not too worried. I have a feeling all these streaming platforms are in for a wake-up call when they realize folks don't want to be paying $10-15 a month for 5+ of them. I've listened to a couple podcasts now with business analysts that are scratching their heads around these network services; as it's profitable and way less work to just make content and sell it to others. Why take on all the overhead of building and maintaining a platform (making it work across dozens of devices, network performance and costs, maintenance, etc)?
If I had to guess, Peacock and CBS are going to be some of the first to go. I just can't see them competing with Apple, Netflix, HBO, Hulu, Amazon, and Disney. The question is how long will that take, hopefully sooner rather than later.
NBC Universal is owned by Comcast, so I fear they'll be sheltered from their own hubris for a pretty long while.
The Eugenics Wars are much stupider in this timeline too.
I want to know who traveled back in time and fucked up this timeline so bad.
50/50 on Archer/Janeway
Honestly I think it could be any of the captains. I ran through my mental summaries of episodes and every show seems to have the captain go fuck around in the past at least once. Well to be fair I don't remember enough of Enterprise to be 100% certain on that one, but definitely all the other shows. Picard managed to find a way to fuck up the past without actually using time travel himself on time.
Honestly when you stop and think of it the temporal prime directive stuff they had going on in Enterprise makes a lot of sense. Too bad the execution of everything on that show sucked so bad.
There's an episode in season 2 of TNG that focuses on Pulaski and the Enterprise trying to solve an aging issue caused by a project to genetically enhance and create superior humans with telekinetic / psychic abilities.
In this episode, not only is the Federation fine with this, but they use the Transporter to solve the issue....but also end up condemning / quarantining the 12 year old genetically modified humans to the planet for life since they were accidentally causing it.
The whole episode had an amazing amount of problematic issues when you think about it.
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I'm trying to get into the head space of whomever programmed Vic Fontaine.
Imagine being so obsessed with ensuring that everyone gets laid properly that you spend actual thousands of hours becoming a holography specialist and then devote like a ton of your craft to building a personality dislocated in time by four hundred years specifically for that purpose.
... hmm ok yeah I'm pretty much there now that I write it out like that, that actually seems completely rational for some reason.
In the Star Trek post scarcity utopia, if your dream is to build a holographic lounge singer who helps people get laid, you have the resources to do that.
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There's an episode in season 2 of TNG that focuses on Pulaski and the Enterprise trying to solve an aging issue caused by a project to genetically enhance and create superior humans with telekinetic / psychic abilities.
In this episode, not only is the Federation fine with this, but they use the Transporter to solve the issue....but also end up condemning / quarantining the 12 year old genetically modified humans to the planet for life since they were accidentally causing it.
The whole episode had an amazing amount of problematic issues when you think about it.
I am sure nothing can go wrong by letting a bunch of super powered adolescents grow up in environment with no love or support. I, for one, expect them have a lot of memorable prom photos when they get older.
There's an episode in season 2 of TNG that focuses on Pulaski and the Enterprise trying to solve an aging issue caused by a project to genetically enhance and create superior humans with telekinetic / psychic abilities.
In this episode, not only is the Federation fine with this, but they use the Transporter to solve the issue....but also end up condemning / quarantining the 12 year old genetically modified humans to the planet for life since they were accidentally causing it.
The whole episode had an amazing amount of problematic issues when you think about it.
I am sure nothing can go wrong by letting a bunch of super powered adolescents grow up in environment with no love or support. I, for one, expect them have a lot of memorable prom photos when they get older.
“Wow, the capital city of Betazed in flames! What an ...inventive image for a prom photo! How long did it take you two to write the holodeck program for this one?”
“Explain, future slave - what is a ‘holodeck’?”
There's an episode in season 2 of TNG that focuses on Pulaski and the Enterprise trying to solve an aging issue caused by a project to genetically enhance and create superior humans with telekinetic / psychic abilities.
In this episode, not only is the Federation fine with this, but they use the Transporter to solve the issue....but also end up condemning / quarantining the 12 year old genetically modified humans to the planet for life since they were accidentally causing it.
The whole episode had an amazing amount of problematic issues when you think about it.
And people get mad at the writing in Picard glossing over all the details! (This is a pretty common pattern in Star Trek television though.)
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Makes me wanna boldly go, which is funny because DS9 is not about boldly going anywhere other than the murky realms of moral relativism
Also I like the Picard theme. It feels underspoken and contemplative, which fits where Picard is at the start.
yeah I adore the DS9 theme, it's one of my favourite opening themes in TV in general, honestly.
Also I really liked the Picard theme! I don't think the series had stellar music overall but there were some really good pieces, especially that theme.
https://youtu.be/TDW5-VczFHo
This seemed like the most seafaring theme of them all. Master and Commander might have used something like this.
Aaaactually... It does sound a little like Claude Debussy's La Mer which I bet was intentional.
https://youtu.be/hlR9rDJMEiQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjSqwGpX7hg
The first minute is basically music from TMP and then it turns into this moody what does god need with a starship situation
Wrath of Khan music is by far my favorite Star Trek music. Really hits me in all the right places.
I liked it so much, that when I was a young teenager and couldn't afford to buy the soundtrack, I took my boom box and recorded the opening theme from our VHS copy of Wrath of Khan. You can imagine the piss poor audio quality. I didn't care, it meant I could listen to it in my room.
On my sleeve, let the runway start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3O7QFUeDU0
well worth a listen for some background music. give me some more o dat klingon theme
I'm not too worried. I have a feeling all these streaming platforms are in for a wake-up call when they realize folks don't want to be paying $10-15 a month for 5+ of them. I've listened to a couple podcasts now with business analysts that are scratching their heads around these network services; as it's profitable and way less work to just make content and sell it to others. Why take on all the overhead of building and maintaining a platform (making it work across dozens of devices, network performance and costs, maintenance, etc)?
If I had to guess, Peacock and CBS are going to be some of the first to go. I just can't see them competing with Apple, Netflix, HBO, Hulu, Amazon, and Disney. The question is how long will that take, hopefully sooner rather than later.
omg I did the same thing
(though what I recorded was the two fights with Reliant.)
Business-think imo. You see all the money the people you are selling the content to are making and think "But that could be my money!".
This entire thing basically started because Netflix suddenly began making a bunch of money on their streaming service and every content making entity was like "But that's my content. It's my money!".
James Horner was actually not a big composer at the time! They couldn't afford a big composer, because the movie was only made because Harve Bennett promised Paramount he could bring it in for something like under $15 million, so they went cheap wherever possible.
In 1982 Horner was 29 and teaching music at UCLA. he'd only done a couple of film scores up to that point, the main one being for Roger Corman's Battle Beyond the Stars (Corman's low-budget Star Wars ripoff). Star Trek II was what made him big.
A lot of the music for The Wrath of Khan was actually...creatively repurposed stuff from Battle Beyond the Stars. I guess he believed in waste not want not:
https://youtu.be/GFElkz1e6Js
https://trekmovie.com/2020/05/29/watch-deepfake-has-leonard-nimoy-as-young-spock-in-j-j-abrams-star-trek/
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As I said a week ago when this came up in the movie thread:
And Horner continued to be well-known for... "creatively repurposing" elements of his previous work throughout the rest of his career.
On my sleeve, let the runway start
And there's that whole Youtube video with that guy who sings every pop song created that uses the same chords as Pachelbel's Canon.
Or, indeed, Axis of Awesome's Four Chord Song.
My favorite Star Trek music is either the suite from The Inner Light or the First Contact theme.
and now you can better appreciate this scene:
https://youtu.be/bfjj7Y9N27c
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NBC Universal is owned by Comcast, so I fear they'll be sheltered from their own hubris for a pretty long while.
"Bless your space heart."
The Eugenics Wars are much stupider in this timeline too.
"The only real politics I knew was that if a guy liked Hitler, I’d beat the stuffing out of him and that would be it." -- Jack Kirby
I want to know who traveled back in time and fucked up this timeline so bad.
50/50 on Archer/Janeway
Are they? Maybe this is just the beginning.
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Still on track. See you all in the trenches for WW3.
https://youtu.be/i_-ZoO87KpY
"The only real politics I knew was that if a guy liked Hitler, I’d beat the stuffing out of him and that would be it." -- Jack Kirby
Honestly I think it could be any of the captains. I ran through my mental summaries of episodes and every show seems to have the captain go fuck around in the past at least once. Well to be fair I don't remember enough of Enterprise to be 100% certain on that one, but definitely all the other shows. Picard managed to find a way to fuck up the past without actually using time travel himself on time.
Honestly when you stop and think of it the temporal prime directive stuff they had going on in Enterprise makes a lot of sense. Too bad the execution of everything on that show sucked so bad.
The crossover that we all knew we didn't want.
In this episode, not only is the Federation fine with this, but they use the Transporter to solve the issue....but also end up condemning / quarantining the 12 year old genetically modified humans to the planet for life since they were accidentally causing it.
The whole episode had an amazing amount of problematic issues when you think about it.
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In the Star Trek post scarcity utopia, if your dream is to build a holographic lounge singer who helps people get laid, you have the resources to do that.
I am sure nothing can go wrong by letting a bunch of super powered adolescents grow up in environment with no love or support. I, for one, expect them have a lot of memorable prom photos when they get older.
"The only real politics I knew was that if a guy liked Hitler, I’d beat the stuffing out of him and that would be it." -- Jack Kirby
“Explain, future slave - what is a ‘holodeck’?”
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And people get mad at the writing in Picard glossing over all the details! (This is a pretty common pattern in Star Trek television though.)