Do we know if the people for the town hall have been groomed and curated? I assume Trump will only get softballs and rant for 2h.
He got softballs at the last one and still fucked them up. Like dude could whiff on a teaball set up.
Frankly just being on air ranting is bad for him. We keep seeing stories about "How are the ratings..." but we already know that everybody will be watching for Trump for self-immolation. It'd be nice for him to be asked something that he considers "nasty".
Maybe someone will look him in the eyes and start their question with: "My mother died of COVID last week..."
He is absolutely terrified of this format.
Biden should ask that the final debate also be townhall.
Out here on the west coast (at least in Portland), the two things aren't even competing. Trump's town hall is on tape delay. Biden's isn't.
As a Euro, what is tape delay?
If someone does a swear they have a couple of seconds to bleep it before it gets to viewers. Stuff like that.
That's one form of tape delay.
The other form, more traditional in the US, is that Pacific Time (the West Coast) will tape delay things to account for the 3 hour time zone shift from the East Coast. So, like, if this starts at 9PM EST, it would be live at 6PM PST. So they record it and replay it. It's pretty common on the big networks.
I think in this case, he means that the Biden one is broadcast live in every timezone (so airing at 8pm eastern would mean 5pm pacific), whereas Trump's would be airing at 8pm in each time zone, so live in eastern, then a few hours later in the other time zones (although eastern and central usually share broadcast regions, so it may be live in both of those).
Out here on the west coast (at least in Portland), the two things aren't even competing. Trump's town hall is on tape delay. Biden's isn't.
As a Euro, what is tape delay?
It can either be a few second delay if someone swears / pulls put their dick / etc so they can censor it, or taped and played an hour or two later for different time zones.
US is big so a 9:00 east coast thing might get pushed back an hour or two for prime time west coast. More of a thing in the past before the internet.
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For the record, both have started.
Biden's being asked by Stephanopolous on how you can contain the pandemic without hurting the economy.
Trump, for as long as I turned it on, was questioning the effectiveness of masks.
Do we know if the people for the town hall have been groomed and curated? I assume Trump will only get softballs and rant for 2h.
He got softballs at the last one and still fucked them up. Like dude could whiff on a teaball set up.
Frankly just being on air ranting is bad for him. We keep seeing stories about "How are the ratings..." but we already know that everybody will be watching for Trump for self-immolation. It'd be nice for him to be asked something that he considers "nasty".
Maybe someone will look him in the eyes and start their question with: "My mother died of COVID last week..."
He is absolutely terrified of this format.
Biden should ask that the final debate also be townhall.
Trump, asked to denounce/disavow QAnon, says he knows nothing about it, then adds, "I do know they are very much against pedophilia. They fight it very hard." Bonkers.
Guthrie: "But there is not a satanic pedophile cult."
Trump: "I have no idea."
Guthrie: "You don't know that?"
Trump: "No I don't know that. And neither do you know that."
Remember when they pretended Trump had denounced QAnon?
Edit: Yup, Trump is just doubling down on all his conspiracy theories.
Trump challenged on his retweet of the bonkers conspiracy theory about Obama, Seal Team Six and Osama bin Laden: "That was a RETWEET. That was an opinion of somebody. And that was a retweet. I'll put it out there. People can decide."
Trump is incapable of shooting himself in the foot even with the most softball questions possible.
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Ew, commercial breaks. Ah well.
Biden's making sure to follow up each segment by asking the person if he answered the question to their satisfaction. I can feel him just wanting to keep going on with each person one on one.
Trump, asked to denounce/disavow QAnon, says he knows nothing about it, then adds, "I do know they are very much against pedophilia. They fight it very hard." Bonkers.
Guthrie: "But there is not a satanic pedophile cult."
Trump: "I have no idea."
Guthrie: "You don't know that?"
Trump: "No I don't know that. And neither do you know that."
Remember when they pretended Trump had denounced QAnon?
The gaslighting is getting more and more blatant.
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And now Biden's being asked by a left-wing progressive college student how voting for him won't damage the progressive movement.
Biden's rattling off the incremental changes he wants to make, in schools and other things.
Trump, asked to denounce/disavow QAnon, says he knows nothing about it, then adds, "I do know they are very much against pedophilia. They fight it very hard." Bonkers.
Guthrie: "But there is not a satanic pedophile cult."
Trump: "I have no idea."
Guthrie: "You don't know that?"
Trump: "No I don't know that. And neither do you know that."
Remember when they pretended Trump had denounced QAnon?
The gaslighting is getting more and more blatant.
What Donald Trump says has not really ever had much relationship with why people are voting for him, just provided they read the emotion (hate, superiority) off of him.
The problem I have with people who point to one specific thing as why he's lost their support is I just can't fathom how they had it in the first place.
And now Biden's being asked by a left-wing progressive college student how voting for him won't damage the progressive movement.
Biden's rattling off the incremental changes he wants to make, in schools and other things.
I mean it probably will somewhat damage the progressive movement to have Biden as President, but one hell of a lot less than having Trump as President.
And now Biden's being asked by a left-wing progressive college student how voting for him won't damage the progressive movement.
Biden's rattling off the incremental changes he wants to make, in schools and other things.
I mean it probably will somewhat damage the progressive movement to have Biden as President, but one hell of a lot less than having Trump as President.
Damage how? Like what's the framing here? How does having a democrat left leaning president hurt a movement for leftists?
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
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Oh wow, didn't realize the questioner was black. I wasn't directly watching, only listening. And Biden is getting fired up about redlining and wealth not getting to people.
Edit: A republican voter just asked about the Crime Bill and how he stood for it now.
And now Biden's being asked by a left-wing progressive college student how voting for him won't damage the progressive movement.
Biden's rattling off the incremental changes he wants to make, in schools and other things.
I mean it probably will somewhat damage the progressive movement to have Biden as President, but one hell of a lot less than having Trump as President.
Damage how? Like what's the framing here? How does having a democrat left leaning president hurt a movement for leftists?
And now Biden's being asked by a left-wing progressive college student how voting for him won't damage the progressive movement.
Biden's rattling off the incremental changes he wants to make, in schools and other things.
I mean it probably will somewhat damage the progressive movement to have Biden as President, but one hell of a lot less than having Trump as President.
Damage how? Like what's the framing here? How does having a democrat left leaning president hurt a movement for leftists?
I mean he's not going to push a full progressive agenda. He'll do some of the stuff, and is unlikely to undo existing progressive stuff. SCOTUS will undo as much as it can, though.
And now Biden's being asked by a left-wing progressive college student how voting for him won't damage the progressive movement.
Biden's rattling off the incremental changes he wants to make, in schools and other things.
I mean it probably will somewhat damage the progressive movement to have Biden as President, but one hell of a lot less than having Trump as President.
Damage how? Like what's the framing here? How does having a democrat left leaning president hurt a movement for leftists?
Doesn't lean enough, I guess.
I guess I'm confused how does that hurt progressive causes? Like Biden isn't going to restrict leftists from voting, and his campaign has shown he'll move leftward on policies, so again I'm confused how electing him damages progressive causes.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
AthenorBattle Hardened OptimistThe Skies of HiigaraRegistered Userregular
Stephanopolous just asked if Biden still believes more police reduces crime.
Biden said "yes, if they are community policing and not jump squads." Like not even a heartbeat of hesitation. He's been pretty much ready for every single question, framing it in more than just a sound byte.
And then the next questioner is a white republican woman who voted for Trump in 2016, whose main issue as a voter right now happens to be "his thoughts on the 1994 crime bill which discriminated against minorities"...Right...
And then the next questioner is a white republican woman who voted for Trump in 2016, whose main issue as a voter right now happens to be "his thoughts on the 1994 crime bill which discriminated against minorities"...Right...
And then the next questioner is a white republican woman who voted for Trump in 2016, whose main issue as a voter right now happens to be "his thoughts on the 1994 crime bill which discriminated against minorities"...Right...
Man she must have come from an ohio diner. There are five NYT reporters waiting to pick her brain after this town hall for such a brave question.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
And now Biden's being asked by a left-wing progressive college student how voting for him won't damage the progressive movement.
Biden's rattling off the incremental changes he wants to make, in schools and other things.
I mean it probably will somewhat damage the progressive movement to have Biden as President, but one hell of a lot less than having Trump as President.
Damage how? Like what's the framing here? How does having a democrat left leaning president hurt a movement for leftists?
I expect President Biden to say progressive goals are unrealistic and silly as much as candidate Biden did. That kind of doesn't matter because nothing progressive is getting past our terrible government, but also it kind of does
+2 for Biden. Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
No line but a steadying trickle of people. In addition to to drive through voting, most early vote locations in Harris County have curbside voting - handicap spots have a buzzer and someone will bring a ballot to you. (Not needing it, we didn't use it)
And then the next questioner is a white republican woman who voted for Trump in 2016, whose main issue as a voter right now happens to be "his thoughts on the 1994 crime bill which discriminated against minorities"...Right...
Man she must have come from an ohio diner. There are five NYT reporters waiting to pick her brain after this town hall for such a brave question.
Also, and I know this is bad but...she sorta looks like Trump in drag. Obviously fake tanned, way over worked hair,, face structure isn't that dissimilar...like I could see it as an SNL sketch.
And now Biden's being asked by a left-wing progressive college student how voting for him won't damage the progressive movement.
Biden's rattling off the incremental changes he wants to make, in schools and other things.
I mean it probably will somewhat damage the progressive movement to have Biden as President, but one hell of a lot less than having Trump as President.
Damage how? Like what's the framing here? How does having a democrat left leaning president hurt a movement for leftists?
I expect President Biden to say progressive goals are unrealistic and silly as much as candidate Biden did. That kind of doesn't matter because nothing progressive is getting past our terrible government, but also it kind of does
How does that damage the progressive movement though? Like he won't advocate for all of their policies but he's not diametrically opposed to progressive policies unlike the current occupant, and again he encourages people to vote instead of the opposite so I don't see how he damages anything if he's elected outside of some accelerationist framing that after 4 years of Trump should be shown to the bullshit it is.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
And now Biden's being asked by a left-wing progressive college student how voting for him won't damage the progressive movement.
Biden's rattling off the incremental changes he wants to make, in schools and other things.
I mean it probably will somewhat damage the progressive movement to have Biden as President, but one hell of a lot less than having Trump as President.
Damage how? Like what's the framing here? How does having a democrat left leaning president hurt a movement for leftists?
Doesn't lean enough, I guess.
I guess I'm confused how does that hurt progressive causes? Like Biden isn't going to restrict leftists from voting, and his campaign has shown he'll move leftward on policies, so again I'm confused how electing him damages progressive causes.
Well, there are the people who want to burn everything down. For them, Trump is great because he’s so awful. Under Trump, America will finally realize just how horrible capitalism is, the system will come crashing down, and America will weep with gratitude as the far left implements all of the good policies that America really wants but keeps voting against because they’re misled by bad leaders and a complicit media. A competent Democrat in power will delay the fall.
Beyond that, I got nothing.
Civics is not a consumer product that you can ignore because you don’t like the options presented.
It's a town hall, it's a place for people with anxieties to ask the president to reassure their anxieties. The question from a self-described progressive is no dumber or smarter than any other question that gets asked at these things.
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Ahh, here we go, court packing question for Biden.
Edit: He's now explaining why he isn't answering the question - framing it as Trump trying to blur things. He is explaining why he is not a fan of Court Packing, saying it's going to matter how things are handled.
It's a town hall, it's a place for people with anxieties to ask the president to reassure their anxieties. The question from a self-described progressive is no dumber or smarter than any other question that gets asked at these things.
Questions can be bad, that other questions are equally bad doesn't make something that doesn't make sense a good question. I mean I'd say the same if someone asked Biden how can his presidency prevent aliens from invading.
I'd like to know how someone believes electing Biden harms progressives.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
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As a Euro, what is tape delay?
He is absolutely terrified of this format.
Biden should ask that the final debate also be townhall.
If someone does a swear they have a couple of seconds to bleep it before it gets to viewers. Stuff like that.
That's one form of tape delay.
The other form, more traditional in the US, is that Pacific Time (the West Coast) will tape delay things to account for the 3 hour time zone shift from the East Coast. So, like, if this starts at 9PM EST, it would be live at 6PM PST. So they record it and replay it. It's pretty common on the big networks.
It's a 'live' broadcast that was recorded earlier in the day.
It can either be a few second delay if someone swears / pulls put their dick / etc so they can censor it, or taped and played an hour or two later for different time zones.
US is big so a 9:00 east coast thing might get pushed back an hour or two for prime time west coast. More of a thing in the past before the internet.
Biden's being asked by Stephanopolous on how you can contain the pandemic without hurting the economy.
Trump, for as long as I turned it on, was questioning the effectiveness of masks.
Biden already did.
By closing the door before that horse bolts.
Good on Biden pulling out a card with details on the repeal of Trump's tax cuts so he quotes the right numbers.
Trump definitely did not get tested the day of the debate
Biden's campaign is heavily invested in appearing friendly to Republicans, so this is probably exactly what he wants.
Edit: Yup, Trump is just doubling down on all his conspiracy theories.
Trump is incapable of shooting himself in the foot even with the most softball questions possible.
Biden's making sure to follow up each segment by asking the person if he answered the question to their satisfaction. I can feel him just wanting to keep going on with each person one on one.
The gaslighting is getting more and more blatant.
Biden's rattling off the incremental changes he wants to make, in schools and other things.
What Donald Trump says has not really ever had much relationship with why people are voting for him, just provided they read the emotion (hate, superiority) off of him.
The problem I have with people who point to one specific thing as why he's lost their support is I just can't fathom how they had it in the first place.
I mean it probably will somewhat damage the progressive movement to have Biden as President, but one hell of a lot less than having Trump as President.
Damage how? Like what's the framing here? How does having a democrat left leaning president hurt a movement for leftists?
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Edit: A republican voter just asked about the Crime Bill and how he stood for it now.
Doesn't lean enough, I guess.
I mean he's not going to push a full progressive agenda. He'll do some of the stuff, and is unlikely to undo existing progressive stuff. SCOTUS will undo as much as it can, though.
I guess I'm confused how does that hurt progressive causes? Like Biden isn't going to restrict leftists from voting, and his campaign has shown he'll move leftward on policies, so again I'm confused how electing him damages progressive causes.
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Biden said "yes, if they are community policing and not jump squads." Like not even a heartbeat of hesitation. He's been pretty much ready for every single question, framing it in more than just a sound byte.
I'm sure she cares deeply for honest reasons.
Man she must have come from an ohio diner. There are five NYT reporters waiting to pick her brain after this town hall for such a brave question.
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No line but a steadying trickle of people. In addition to to drive through voting, most early vote locations in Harris County have curbside voting - handicap spots have a buzzer and someone will bring a ballot to you. (Not needing it, we didn't use it)
Also, and I know this is bad but...she sorta looks like Trump in drag. Obviously fake tanned, way over worked hair,, face structure isn't that dissimilar...like I could see it as an SNL sketch.
How does that damage the progressive movement though? Like he won't advocate for all of their policies but he's not diametrically opposed to progressive policies unlike the current occupant, and again he encourages people to vote instead of the opposite so I don't see how he damages anything if he's elected outside of some accelerationist framing that after 4 years of Trump should be shown to the bullshit it is.
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Well, there are the people who want to burn everything down. For them, Trump is great because he’s so awful. Under Trump, America will finally realize just how horrible capitalism is, the system will come crashing down, and America will weep with gratitude as the far left implements all of the good policies that America really wants but keeps voting against because they’re misled by bad leaders and a complicit media. A competent Democrat in power will delay the fall.
Beyond that, I got nothing.
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That's great
Edit: He's now explaining why he isn't answering the question - framing it as Trump trying to blur things. He is explaining why he is not a fan of Court Packing, saying it's going to matter how things are handled.
Questions can be bad, that other questions are equally bad doesn't make something that doesn't make sense a good question. I mean I'd say the same if someone asked Biden how can his presidency prevent aliens from invading.
I'd like to know how someone believes electing Biden harms progressives.
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