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[2020 Election] The Long Weekend

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    ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Is this going to be another Capone's vault? Tucker is going to open up a box live on air and it's just going to be, like, a pack of clorox wipes

    Trump-brand Clorox suppositories.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    NYT/Siena NC
    Biden +3
    Cunningham +3
    Cooper +9 (weak poll for Cooper)

    EDIT: Cohn adds on Twitter than their sample leans a little conservative and white, actually. So probably an even better poll than it appears.

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    Fleur de AlysFleur de Alys Biohacker Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    i don't think that's unreasonable even though i also don't think whether or not black lives matter should be a political issue

    Basically. Same way pride flags are political, even if they shouldn’t be. As long as one party explicitly opposes these things, either recognizing that black lives matter or that LGBTQ individuals are equal, it remains a partisan political symbol.

    Works for me, honestly. Let them continue to loudly shout from the wrong side of history. Makes them look worse, and makes it easier to spot the trash golems.

    That said, it does indeed mean that these symbols have no place on an election site. Much like the blue line flags. In theory, supporting police officers is a nonpartisan statement. In practice...yeah. Hard to ban one and not the other and I don’t want to see ANY of that shit at polling places.

    Serious question for people who live in areas of the country where confederate flags used to fly a lot: are you seeing fewer confederate flags? Because I suspect that the thin blue line flag is becoming the new more "socially acceptable" confederate flag.
    Yes.

    Confederate flags can still be found here and there, usually attached to rather old pickup trucks that also fly a giant obnoxious TRUMP flag.

    Higher-end trucks and SUVs tend to have the TBL flag as a bumper sticker, optionally with a Trump bumper sticker (it's maybe 50/50).

    This is in Alabama suburbia.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Smurph wrote: »
    jdarksun wrote: »
    But the Supreme Court would also need the state legislature's cooperation to fuck with votes that way. Bush had the Florida state government's support in 2000, so they were working on an end-around to send GOP electors whether or not the USSC allowed the recounts that Bush sued to stop.

    They don't necessarily need state supreme courts to rule their way

    Kavanagh's recent opinion takes the position that if absentee ballots change the outcome of an election, it would "greatly increase concerns over tampering" or some shit and that is undesirable. Basically Kavanagh thinks the election night winner is the true winner and counting mailed ballots equals flipping the election. They are setting the stage for the argument that SCOTUS rulings can preemptively override state court rulings in the interest of 'saving democracy' or some shit.

    All this shit doesn't matter though if Trump never leads on election night. They need Trump to over perform in states he's trailing in to even have a shot at stealing the election this way. That's why we need this to not be close.

    What's frustrating is that there is no legal concept of "election night winner"

    It's entirely an arbitrary thing made by the media.

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    Has this been mentioned already?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-hack-gop-wisconsin-election-fbi-investigation-biden-b1423914.html
    Republican officials in Wisconsin say that hackers stole $2.3m from an account being used to help reelect Donald Trump.

    State party chairman Andrew Hitt said that the suspicious activity was noticed on 22 October and that the FBI is now investigating.

    Wisconsin is a key swing state in the 2020 election, having been won by Mr Trump in 2016 by just 23,000 votes.

    “There’s no doubt RPW is now at a disadvantage with that money being gone,” Mr Hitt said, explaining that the party and campaign needs money late in the race to make quick decisions.

    The Associated Press reports that Hitt said the hackers manipulated invoices from four vendors who were being paid to send out direct mail for the Trump campaign.

    They were also providing pro-Trump material such as hats to hand out to supporters.

    Hackers altered the invoices to direct payments to themselves and not the vendors. Mr Hitt said that it appears the attack began as a phishing scam.

    What a bunch of dumbasses

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    Has this been mentioned already?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-hack-gop-wisconsin-election-fbi-investigation-biden-b1423914.html
    Republican officials in Wisconsin say that hackers stole $2.3m from an account being used to help reelect Donald Trump.

    State party chairman Andrew Hitt said that the suspicious activity was noticed on 22 October and that the FBI is now investigating.

    Wisconsin is a key swing state in the 2020 election, having been won by Mr Trump in 2016 by just 23,000 votes.

    “There’s no doubt RPW is now at a disadvantage with that money being gone,” Mr Hitt said, explaining that the party and campaign needs money late in the race to make quick decisions.

    The Associated Press reports that Hitt said the hackers manipulated invoices from four vendors who were being paid to send out direct mail for the Trump campaign.

    They were also providing pro-Trump material such as hats to hand out to supporters.

    Hackers altered the invoices to direct payments to themselves and not the vendors. Mr Hitt said that it appears the attack began as a phishing scam.

    What a bunch of dumbasses

    Yes, we joked about them changing the password to MAGA2022

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    davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Someone mentioned if you put a head and some feet on the 538 snake chart, you had a dragon. So to take my mind off the election a bit I created an Election Dragon
    gg4apiq6hpht.png

    Unfortunately NE-1 was lost in the process.
    Quid wrote: »
    Someone mentioned if you put a head and some feet on the 538 snake chart, you had a dragon. So to take my mind off the election a bit I created an Election Dragon
    gg4apiq6hpht.png

    Unfortunately NE-1 was lost in the process.

    As someone currently in NE-2, that was no loss to the world.

    First, it’s NE-3 that’s been devoured by the dragon.

    Second, I can’t believe this erasure of my home.

    Third, well actually I do believe it and it’s quite deserved.

    Fourth, well done Quid, well done.

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    zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    moniker wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Someone mentioned if you put a head and some feet on the 538 snake chart, you had a dragon. So to take my mind off the election a bit I created an Election Dragon
    gg4apiq6hpht.png

    Unfortunately NE-1 was lost in the process.

    It doesn't have any wings, so that makes it a Chinese dragon. Does this mean that the election dragon is a China hoax like climate change and germ theory?

    It's coming from the deep state. After all, what's deeper than underwater?

    I'm watching you Quid.

    Edit. Quid...Quid...oh my god, they have been been in front of us this whole time. Quid is QAnon's alternate identity this whole time.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Huh, guess it was NE-3.

    Regardless, Election Dragon hungered for a district.

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    RiusRius Globex CEO Nobody ever says ItalyRegistered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Huh, guess it was NE-3.

    Regardless, Election Dragon hungered for a district.

    Up next on Better Eat Your District!

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    ChiselphaneChiselphane Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    i don't think that's unreasonable even though i also don't think whether or not black lives matter should be a political issue

    Basically. Same way pride flags are political, even if they shouldn’t be. As long as one party explicitly opposes these things, either recognizing that black lives matter or that LGBTQ individuals are equal, it remains a partisan political symbol.

    Works for me, honestly. Let them continue to loudly shout from the wrong side of history. Makes them look worse, and makes it easier to spot the trash golems.

    That said, it does indeed mean that these symbols have no place on an election site. Much like the blue line flags. In theory, supporting police officers is a nonpartisan statement. In practice...yeah. Hard to ban one and not the other and I don’t want to see ANY of that shit at polling places.

    Serious question for people who live in areas of the country where confederate flags used to fly a lot: are you seeing fewer confederate flags? Because I suspect that the thin blue line flag is becoming the new more "socially acceptable" confederate flag.

    Here in southeast Missouri, it's more the blue line flag is in addition to the confederate, not in place of. Bonus points to your Muricanscore if you fly them out the back of your pickup truck, along with your tattered Trump flag thats been out since 2016, while aimlessly driving around town.

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    Anyhoo I checked my voting website and my ballot was accepted

    It's actually a really boring ballot this year except for the presidential race. Republicans knew they weren't gonna win the governors race so they weren't even really trying, some annoying "boohoo vote to say we don't approve of X, Y, and Z spending" which always spam up our ballots, and then a couple of basic bond measures for schools and fire. Only stuff I really had to research was a couple of judges.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Someone mentioned if you put a head and some feet on the 538 snake chart, you had a dragon. So to take my mind off the election a bit I created an Election Dragon
    gg4apiq6hpht.png

    Unfortunately NE-1 was lost in the process.

    It doesn't have any wings, so that makes it a Chinese dragon. Does this mean that the election dragon is a China hoax like climate change and germ theory?

    It's a Chinese dragon because that was way easier to do in paint.net

    I think technically it's a Chinese wyvern.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Someone mentioned if you put a head and some feet on the 538 snake chart, you had a dragon. So to take my mind off the election a bit I created an Election Dragon
    gg4apiq6hpht.png

    Unfortunately NE-1 was lost in the process.

    It doesn't have any wings, so that makes it a Chinese dragon. Does this mean that the election dragon is a China hoax like climate change and germ theory?

    It's a Chinese dragon because that was way easier to do in paint.net

    I think technically it's a Chinese wyvern.

    Election Wyvern mewls pathetically and then poisons you to death

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    jclastjclast Registered User regular
    Researching judges is always the worst. This year I lucked out and found our judicial review board site with a description of their process and a list of their recommendations with rationales. Made the whole thing way better.

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    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    Democrats Abroad has called me three times and each time they were fairly rude. Kind of disappointed with their phone banking people in general.

    In what ways were they rude?
    Monotone, hard to hear, I tried to thank one and they hung up on me. It was robotic and when I asked for advice regarding my husband's ballot they had no advice and the person didn't seem super knowledgeable in the first place.
    Not disparaging the entire organization. Could have just been luck of the draw.

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    GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    Anyone who is still treating the lap top as being a real thing at this juncture should be treated with the same derision and scorn as birthers; as of right now the only people who have supposedly seen this thing have been:
    An unnamed computer repair man.
    Rudy.
    Someone at the New york post.

    Like, putting aside the obvious ethical issues of a repair man reading your personal information (or keeping incriminating evidence on a non-remote drive) the fact that the first thing unamed computer repair man did was contact the president's lawyer (How he does this is unclear) instead of bringing it to law enforcement so that they can go and deal with it, and then it gets mailed to tucker carlson of all people where it is summarily lost.

    Like, Mormonism makes less leaps of logic.

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    Blackhawk1313Blackhawk1313 Demon Hunter for Hire Time RiftRegistered User regular
    jclast wrote: »
    Researching judges is always the worst. This year I lucked out and found our judicial review board site with a description of their process and a list of their recommendations with rationales. Made the whole thing way better.

    I‘m super lucky on this front in that my MiL works for the judges around here. So all I have to do is ask her who is a pile of dogshit and who isn’t.

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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Gaddez wrote: »
    Anyone who is still treating the lap top as being a real thing at this juncture should be treated with the same derision and scorn as birthers; as of right now the only people who have supposedly seen this thing have been:
    An unnamed computer repair man.
    Rudy.
    Someone at the New york post.

    Like, putting aside the obvious ethical issues of a repair man reading your personal information (or keeping incriminating evidence on a non-remote drive) the fact that the first thing unamed computer repair man did was contact the president's lawyer (How he does this is unclear) instead of bringing it to law enforcement so that they can go and deal with it, and then it gets mailed to tucker carlson of all people where it is summarily lost.

    Like, Mormonism makes less leaps of logic.

    Well, they also claim to have contacted the FBI. Who didn't care about supposed child porn on it for ??? reasons.

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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Ah. New posts in the election thread. Let me just take a sip of my drink as I click the link and-
    Quid wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Someone mentioned if you put a head and some feet on the 538 snake chart, you had a dragon. So to take my mind off the election a bit I created an Election Dragon
    gg4apiq6hpht.png

    Unfortunately NE-1 was lost in the process.

    It doesn't have any wings, so that makes it a Chinese dragon. Does this mean that the election dragon is a China hoax like climate change and germ theory?

    It's a Chinese dragon because that was way easier to do in paint.net

    I think technically it's a Chinese wyvern.

    *spits dice everywhere*

    I beg your pardon, sir, but wyverns have wings and no arms; this is clearly an Election Wyrm.

    [Begging my own pardon Edit]:

    Lindwyrm, apparently. Wyrms have no legs at all!

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    AbsalonAbsalon Lands of Always WinterRegistered User regular
    Quinnipiac:

    FLORIDA: Biden 45%, Trump 42%
    IOWA: Trump 47%, Biden 46%
    PENNSYLVANIA: Biden 51%, Trump 44%
    OHIO: Biden 48%, Trump 43%
    IOWA SENATE: Ernst 48%, Greenfield 46%

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    The NYPost person was a newly hired nobody who had just prior been working for Hannity

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Quinnipiac feels like RNG this cycle.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Biden up 5 in Ohio seems likely to be incorrect but it would be nice

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    The NYPost person was a newly hired nobody who had just prior been working for Hannity

    A coffee retriever, perhaps?

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    wobblyheadedbobwobblyheadedbob Registered User regular
    Quinnipiac feels like RNG this cycle.

    Explanation for those who don't get it?

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Quinnipiac feels like RNG this cycle.

    Explanation for those who don't get it?

    their results are all over the place

    e: RNG is Random Number Generator if that was the question

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Quinnipiac feels like RNG this cycle.

    Explanation for those who don't get it?

    Their polling seems fucking random, like a dice roll

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Absalon wrote: »
    Quinnipiac:

    FLORIDA: Biden 45%, Trump 42%
    IOWA: Trump 47%, Biden 46%
    PENNSYLVANIA: Biden 51%, Trump 44%
    OHIO: Biden 48%, Trump 43%
    IOWA SENATE: Ernst 48%, Greenfield 46%
    From October 23rd - 27th:
    1,324 likely voters in Florida were surveyed, with a margin of error of +/- 2.7 percentage points;
    1,225 likely voters in Iowa were surveyed, with a margin of error of +/- 2.8 percentage points;
    1,186 likely voters in Ohio were surveyed, with a margin of error of +/- 2.9 percentage points;
    1,324 likely voters in Pennsylvania were surveyed, with a margin of error of +/- 2.7 percentage points.

    All less than 3% MoE

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    TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Gaddez wrote: »
    Anyone who is still treating the lap top as being a real thing at this juncture should be treated with the same derision and scorn as birthers; as of right now the only people who have supposedly seen this thing have been:
    An unnamed computer repair man.
    Rudy.
    Someone at the New york post.

    Like, putting aside the obvious ethical issues of a repair man reading your personal information (or keeping incriminating evidence on a non-remote drive) the fact that the first thing unamed computer repair man did was contact the president's lawyer (How he does this is unclear) instead of bringing it to law enforcement so that they can go and deal with it, and then it gets mailed to tucker carlson of all people where it is summarily lost.

    Like, Mormonism makes less leaps of logic.

    Well, they also claim to have contacted the FBI. Who didn't care about supposed child porn on it for ??? reasons.

    Also this would have been the FBI in New York or New Jersey, who were literally threatening to defy the head of the FBI in 2016 in order to announce Hillary Clinton investigations based on a novel written by the editor of Breitbart.

    Taramoor on
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    SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Grab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front door Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Chanus wrote: »
    Quinnipiac feels like RNG this cycle.

    Explanation for those who don't get it?

    their results are all over the place

    e: RNG is Random Number Generator if that was the question

    explosive ordnance disposal

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    wobblyheadedbobwobblyheadedbob Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Chanus wrote: »
    Quinnipiac feels like RNG this cycle.

    Explanation for those who don't get it?

    their results are all over the place

    e: RNG is Random Number Generator if that was the question

    Oh! I thought RNG was a polling outfit. :)

    I know that other RNG, haha.

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    RozRoz Boss of InternetRegistered User regular
    zagdrob wrote: »
    It's pretty much a given that turnout is bad for the GOP / good for the Democratic Party across the board, but there's a big part of me that has to assume that Trump hit his ceiling in the election that shall not be named and there's just not that many people who have since decided 'yeah, that's our guy'.

    I can only imagine the Hillary -> Trump voter is virtually non-existent and as worked up as Trump's base was then it's not like they get to vote twice because they are extra down for the racism now. So what does he have left for pickups? The far, far right that was suspicious he was a secret liberal? Goobers and alt-righters in the 18-22 range who weren't eligible to vote four years ago?

    Even expecting day-of voting turnout to be massively down and primarily Republican I'm having trouble seeing a path for Trump that's not sheer unabashed fuckery and cheating that's so blatant it takes us into verboten topics.

    And while a lot of these ballots are absentee / mailed and subject to both UPS and 'received / counted too late' potential shenanigans, a lot of them are just straight up early votes that are already in the system and counted.

    I want to push back on this a bit, because unfortunately, it's not accurate. Trump is absolutely going to do better in terms of raw vote total than he did in 2016. It's possible there were fence-sitters last time, not sure if Trump was actually going to be turbo racist once he took office, but now he has proven that's who he is and they are willing to fall in line. Also worth noting that the last 4 years of right wing media has had the singular goal of indoctrinating as many conservatives and moderates to his side as possible.

    This election is probably going to have nearly 150 million voters. Trump got ~63 million out of about 129 million votes cast. He's practically guaranteed to do better than his 2016 numbers in terms of raw vote total (though likely worse in terms of %). This, combined with the fact that he's polling better with younger black men and Latinos means that he has gained some support. We don't yet know how much, but we absolutely need to run up the score to overtake any potential new Trump voters.

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Btw I'm not posting MoEs to be an ass, I'm posting them because I think they lend very relevant context to the numbers and also because I want to know what the MoEs are anyway and figure maybe others do as well

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Anyway those numbers would be fine except Iowa Senate.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Roz wrote: »
    zagdrob wrote: »
    It's pretty much a given that turnout is bad for the GOP / good for the Democratic Party across the board, but there's a big part of me that has to assume that Trump hit his ceiling in the election that shall not be named and there's just not that many people who have since decided 'yeah, that's our guy'.

    I can only imagine the Hillary -> Trump voter is virtually non-existent and as worked up as Trump's base was then it's not like they get to vote twice because they are extra down for the racism now. So what does he have left for pickups? The far, far right that was suspicious he was a secret liberal? Goobers and alt-righters in the 18-22 range who weren't eligible to vote four years ago?

    Even expecting day-of voting turnout to be massively down and primarily Republican I'm having trouble seeing a path for Trump that's not sheer unabashed fuckery and cheating that's so blatant it takes us into verboten topics.

    And while a lot of these ballots are absentee / mailed and subject to both UPS and 'received / counted too late' potential shenanigans, a lot of them are just straight up early votes that are already in the system and counted.

    I want to push back on this a bit, because unfortunately, it's not accurate. Trump is absolutely going to do better in terms of raw vote total than he did in 2016. It's possible there were fence-sitters last time, not sure if Trump was actually going to be turbo racist once he took office, but now he has proven that's who he is and they are willing to fall in line. Also worth noting that the last 4 years of right wing media has had the singular goal of indoctrinating as many conservatives and moderates to his side as possible.

    This election is probably going to have nearly 150 million voters. Trump got ~63 million out of about 129 million votes cast. He's practically guaranteed to do better than his 2016 numbers in terms of raw vote total (though likely worse in terms of %). This, combined with the fact that he's polling better with younger black men and Latinos means that he has gained some support. We don't yet know how much, but we absolutely need to run up the score to overtake any potential new Trump voters.

    Also, do not underestimate the impact that QAnon has had in pulling people over into supporting Trump.

    Somehow it has absorbed a huge percentage of the other crazy conspiracy groups that were already way too online, and eaten them, and the earth is a flat circle and Nancy Pelosi controls the planes that don't burn jet fuel steel beams with the blood of white children and to stop Donald Trump from bringing the rapture by killing all the non-whites and sovereign gold fringe and also too 2nd amendment and furthermore.

    Taramoor on
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    Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Huh, guess it was NE-3.

    Regardless, Election Dragon hungered for a district.

    Also not a great loss.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Hm, Biden to St. Paul tomorrow. Also Iowa and Wisconsin.

    Minnesota being squirrely.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Roz wrote: »
    zagdrob wrote: »
    It's pretty much a given that turnout is bad for the GOP / good for the Democratic Party across the board, but there's a big part of me that has to assume that Trump hit his ceiling in the election that shall not be named and there's just not that many people who have since decided 'yeah, that's our guy'.

    I can only imagine the Hillary -> Trump voter is virtually non-existent and as worked up as Trump's base was then it's not like they get to vote twice because they are extra down for the racism now. So what does he have left for pickups? The far, far right that was suspicious he was a secret liberal? Goobers and alt-righters in the 18-22 range who weren't eligible to vote four years ago?

    Even expecting day-of voting turnout to be massively down and primarily Republican I'm having trouble seeing a path for Trump that's not sheer unabashed fuckery and cheating that's so blatant it takes us into verboten topics.

    And while a lot of these ballots are absentee / mailed and subject to both UPS and 'received / counted too late' potential shenanigans, a lot of them are just straight up early votes that are already in the system and counted.

    I want to push back on this a bit, because unfortunately, it's not accurate. Trump is absolutely going to do better in terms of raw vote total than he did in 2016. It's possible there were fence-sitters last time, not sure if Trump was actually going to be turbo racist once he took office, but now he has proven that's who he is and they are willing to fall in line. Also worth noting that the last 4 years of right wing media has had the singular goal of indoctrinating as many conservatives and moderates to his side as possible.

    This election is probably going to have nearly 150 million voters. Trump got ~63 million out of about 129 million votes cast. He's practically guaranteed to do better than his 2016 numbers in terms of raw vote total (though likely worse in terms of %). This, combined with the fact that he's polling better with younger black men and Latinos means that he has gained some support. We don't yet know how much, but we absolutely need to run up the score to overtake any potential new Trump voters.

    Also, do not underestimate the impact that QAnon has had in pulling people over into supporting Trump.

    Somehow it has absorbed a huge percentage of the other crazy conspiracy groups that were already way too online, and eaten them, and the earth is a flat circle and Nancy Pelosi controls the planes that don't burn jet fuel steel beams with the blood of white children and to stop Donald Trump from bringing the rapture by killing all the non-whites and sovereign gold fringe and also too 2nd amendment and furthermore.

    a lot of people are not equipped to deal with, and/or have been left behind by, modern society.

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    i suppose it's worth noting if you actually get a lower raw vote total than an election four years ago, you've done fucked up just due to what would be expected from population growth alone

    also should temper enthusiasm about vote totals being higher this time around somewhat

    there are around 8 million more people in the US than there were in 2016

    everybody should have more votes than they did last time

    look at the share of the total vote and how that compares to previous years

    though also only the result because early voting is also a completely different ballgame from before

    it's complicated

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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