Heh, too funny. I wonder if that'll get fixed in two weeks, and I further wonder if (after two weeks of selling out stock instantly at the new price) the AIB manufacturers will lower prices again?
Still doesn't explain why white paint is suddenly an extra 80-120 dollars.
Heh, too funny. I wonder if that'll get fixed in two weeks, and I further wonder if (after two weeks of selling out stock instantly at the new price) the AIB manufacturers will lower prices again?
Still doesn't explain why white paint is suddenly an extra 80-120 dollars.
How many people are buying white GPUs though?
It seems like a special run of a product.
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I'm considering spending some of my gubmint $600 on a new 2tb NVME and doing away with all these smaller drives I'm running.
I'm looking at the Sabrent ones and this Amazon page has 2 different 2tb ones at $90 difference in price and the differences between the two don't seem that dramatic. Both are PCI-e 4.0, but one is 5000/4400 (read/write) speeds and the other is 4800/3600 (read/write). Outside of benchmarking, would there ever be enough noticeable difference between the two to justify the $90 difference?
I'm considering spending some of my gubmint $600 on a new 2tb NVME and doing away with all these smaller drives I'm running.
I'm looking at the Sabrent ones and this Amazon page has 2 different 2tb ones at $90 difference in price and the differences between the two don't seem that dramatic. Both are PCI-e 4.0, but one is 5000/4400 (read/write) speeds and the other is 4800/3600 (read/write). Outside of benchmarking, would there ever be enough noticeable difference between the two to justify the $90 difference?
The difference probably stems from the type of flash memory used. The QLC drive will probably be cheaper but won't perform as well or have the same lifespan as an equivalent TLC drive.
You probably won't notice much of a difference if you are mostly reading from the drive but if you do any amount of writes to it you want to get the TLC model.
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If you’re using it as an OS drive it will get a LOT of writes. I think I had 10x more writes than reads on my 1TB before I swapped it out for a 2TB.
Heh, too funny. I wonder if that'll get fixed in two weeks, and I further wonder if (after two weeks of selling out stock instantly at the new price) the AIB manufacturers will lower prices again?
Still doesn't explain why white paint is suddenly an extra 80-120 dollars.
How many people are buying white GPUs though?
It seems like a special run of a product.
In 2021? Probably a significant number of folks now that white cases don't yellow anymore.
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I'm considering spending some of my gubmint $600 on a new 2tb NVME and doing away with all these smaller drives I'm running.
I'm looking at the Sabrent ones and this Amazon page has 2 different 2tb ones at $90 difference in price and the differences between the two don't seem that dramatic. Both are PCI-e 4.0, but one is 5000/4400 (read/write) speeds and the other is 4800/3600 (read/write). Outside of benchmarking, would there ever be enough noticeable difference between the two to justify the $90 difference?
The difference probably stems from the type of flash memory used. The QLC drive will probably be cheaper but won't perform as well or have the same lifespan as an equivalent TLC drive.
You probably won't notice much of a difference if you are mostly reading from the drive but if you do any amount of writes to it you want to get the TLC model.
It would be my primary/only drive.
I just wondered because I know a lot of times one can see a big difference in numbers on a spec sheet, but not much improvement in actual real world use. And a $90 price difference is pretty significant.
I skipped out on a 4.0 drive this time because nothing in benchmarks showed I'd notice any difference for gaming and light workloads which is 90% of what I use my computer for. Granted I hugely overbuilt my computer for my use case but I'll likely upgrade to a 2TB 4.0 drive in a year or so when prices come down a bit. For now though I couldn't justify the expense over a SX8200 Pro.
I'm considering spending some of my gubmint $600 on a new 2tb NVME and doing away with all these smaller drives I'm running.
I'm looking at the Sabrent ones and this Amazon page has 2 different 2tb ones at $90 difference in price and the differences between the two don't seem that dramatic. Both are PCI-e 4.0, but one is 5000/4400 (read/write) speeds and the other is 4800/3600 (read/write). Outside of benchmarking, would there ever be enough noticeable difference between the two to justify the $90 difference?
The difference probably stems from the type of flash memory used. The QLC drive will probably be cheaper but won't perform as well or have the same lifespan as an equivalent TLC drive.
You probably won't notice much of a difference if you are mostly reading from the drive but if you do any amount of writes to it you want to get the TLC model.
It would be my primary/only drive.
I just wondered because I know a lot of times one can see a big difference in numbers on a spec sheet, but not much improvement in actual real world use. And a $90 price difference is pretty significant.
I'm considering spending some of my gubmint $600 on a new 2tb NVME and doing away with all these smaller drives I'm running.
I'm looking at the Sabrent ones and this Amazon page has 2 different 2tb ones at $90 difference in price and the differences between the two don't seem that dramatic. Both are PCI-e 4.0, but one is 5000/4400 (read/write) speeds and the other is 4800/3600 (read/write). Outside of benchmarking, would there ever be enough noticeable difference between the two to justify the $90 difference?
The difference probably stems from the type of flash memory used. The QLC drive will probably be cheaper but won't perform as well or have the same lifespan as an equivalent TLC drive.
You probably won't notice much of a difference if you are mostly reading from the drive but if you do any amount of writes to it you want to get the TLC model.
It would be my primary/only drive.
I just wondered because I know a lot of times one can see a big difference in numbers on a spec sheet, but not much improvement in actual real world use. And a $90 price difference is pretty significant.
I'm considering spending some of my gubmint $600 on a new 2tb NVME and doing away with all these smaller drives I'm running.
I'm looking at the Sabrent ones and this Amazon page has 2 different 2tb ones at $90 difference in price and the differences between the two don't seem that dramatic. Both are PCI-e 4.0, but one is 5000/4400 (read/write) speeds and the other is 4800/3600 (read/write). Outside of benchmarking, would there ever be enough noticeable difference between the two to justify the $90 difference?
The difference probably stems from the type of flash memory used. The QLC drive will probably be cheaper but won't perform as well or have the same lifespan as an equivalent TLC drive.
You probably won't notice much of a difference if you are mostly reading from the drive but if you do any amount of writes to it you want to get the TLC model.
It would be my primary/only drive.
I just wondered because I know a lot of times one can see a big difference in numbers on a spec sheet, but not much improvement in actual real world use. And a $90 price difference is pretty significant.
Why would I not want a PCI-e 4.0 model? That one you linked has even slower speeds than the two I linked.
cost savings and marginal real-world benefit, basically. The 5000MB/s read speed looks huge but you don't really "feel" the difference like you would the jump from SATA to nvme PCIe 3.
I have a 2TB PCIe 4 nvme (gigabyte aorus), and while its freaking awesome, you can save some money and get the PCIe 3 version and not notice much of a difference.
I figured I was buying something I was going to consistently use for 4-6 years, so I may as well go all out.
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I have a 2TB PCIe 4 nvme (gigabyte aorus), and while its freaking awesome, you can save some money and get the PCIe 3 version and not notice much of a difference.
I figured I was buying something I was going to consistently use for 4-6 years, so I may as well go all out.
I'm considering the same right now, since I'll get a motherboard with two M.2 slots. And my current Windows installation is... five years old, minimum?
I don't need much space for the OS though, I have it on a 256 gig SSD at the moment with plenty of space to spare. But I guess I can go bigger and just partition it.
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Oooh, one other thing, the 4.0 drives run a LOT hotter. Make sure your motherboard has room for a heatsink where the nvme slot is, or even better, it has a good one built in already.
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I'm considering spending some of my gubmint $600 on a new 2tb NVME and doing away with all these smaller drives I'm running.
I'm looking at the Sabrent ones and this Amazon page has 2 different 2tb ones at $90 difference in price and the differences between the two don't seem that dramatic. Both are PCI-e 4.0, but one is 5000/4400 (read/write) speeds and the other is 4800/3600 (read/write). Outside of benchmarking, would there ever be enough noticeable difference between the two to justify the $90 difference?
The difference probably stems from the type of flash memory used. The QLC drive will probably be cheaper but won't perform as well or have the same lifespan as an equivalent TLC drive.
You probably won't notice much of a difference if you are mostly reading from the drive but if you do any amount of writes to it you want to get the TLC model.
It would be my primary/only drive.
I just wondered because I know a lot of times one can see a big difference in numbers on a spec sheet, but not much improvement in actual real world use. And a $90 price difference is pretty significant.
Why would I not want a PCI-e 4.0 model? That one you linked has even slower speeds than the two I linked.
It's simply a order of magnitude thing. When you go from a spinning disk to a (good) SATA SSD, you see massive improvements in speed and particularly latency. You see much less real improvement when you go to a NVMe drive from a SATA drive. And with a PCIe 3.0 -> PCIe 4.0, you basically see no improvement, latency is already minimized and the difference between 3000 MB/s and 5000 MB/s is marginal in real world terms unless you are doing minutes long transfers of files.
Also, do you have a B550 or X570 board with a Ryzen 3000 series or better CPU? If you don't, you will see absolutely 0 benefit from a PCIe 4.0 compatible drive.
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I have an X570 board and a Ryzen 3700X. I currently already have 2 NVME drives, one 250gb and one 500gb (plus an SSD and a 4tb HDD). I just want to switch out to a single 2tb NVME and I want the best bang for the buck.
I have plenty of room for a heat sink - both my current NVMEs have heat sinks.
I just wanted to know if that bump between the two Sabrent drives was really worth a $90 price premium, which you first told me yes and then told me no.
I'm considering spending some of my gubmint $600 on a new 2tb NVME and doing away with all these smaller drives I'm running.
I'm looking at the Sabrent ones and this Amazon page has 2 different 2tb ones at $90 difference in price and the differences between the two don't seem that dramatic. Both are PCI-e 4.0, but one is 5000/4400 (read/write) speeds and the other is 4800/3600 (read/write). Outside of benchmarking, would there ever be enough noticeable difference between the two to justify the $90 difference?
The difference probably stems from the type of flash memory used. The QLC drive will probably be cheaper but won't perform as well or have the same lifespan as an equivalent TLC drive.
You probably won't notice much of a difference if you are mostly reading from the drive but if you do any amount of writes to it you want to get the TLC model.
It would be my primary/only drive.
I just wondered because I know a lot of times one can see a big difference in numbers on a spec sheet, but not much improvement in actual real world use. And a $90 price difference is pretty significant.
I have an X570 board and a Ryzen 3700X. I currently already have 2 NVME drives, one 250gb and one 500gb (plus an SSD and a 4tb HDD). I just want to switch out to a single 2tb NVME and I want the best bang for the buck.
I have plenty of room for a heat sink - both my current NVMEs have heat sinks.
I just wanted to know if that bump between the two Sabrent drives was really worth a $90 price premium, which you first told me yes and then told me no.
Huh?
Is the extra $90 worth it to buy a TLC PCIe 4.0 drive over a QLC PCIe 4.0 drive to replace all of your other drives, including the drive housing your primary windows install? Yes!
Is the $120+ price difference between a TLC PCIe 3.0 and TLC PCIe 4.0 drive worth the minor performance difference between the two? Absolutely not, don't waste your money.
Is a QLC drive of any type in your application a good idea? Absolutely not.
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I have an X570 board and a Ryzen 3700X. I currently already have 2 NVME drives, one 250gb and one 500gb (plus an SSD and a 4tb HDD). I just want to switch out to a single 2tb NVME and I want the best bang for the buck.
I have plenty of room for a heat sink - both my current NVMEs have heat sinks.
I just wanted to know if that bump between the two Sabrent drives was really worth a $90 price premium, which you first told me yes and then told me no.
Looking at some reviews and benchmarks the extra $90 doesn't get you anything you'll ever notice. Save your money.
Outside of very intensive data transfer workloads QLC memory is fine for the normal gamer/consumer.
I have an X570 board and a Ryzen 3700X. I currently already have 2 NVME drives, one 250gb and one 500gb (plus an SSD and a 4tb HDD). I just want to switch out to a single 2tb NVME and I want the best bang for the buck.
I have plenty of room for a heat sink - both my current NVMEs have heat sinks.
I just wanted to know if that bump between the two Sabrent drives was really worth a $90 price premium, which you first told me yes and then told me no.
It's not. Don't buy PCIE 4.0 NVME drives right now; nothing in the real world needs or benefits from that kind of bandwidth yet, and you'll be generating extra heat for no reason.
Also Best Buy had a twice-weekly big drop of GPUs this morning; anyone get lucky? I was distracted at the usual drop time and missed it all, heh. This might have been the last big drop of GPUs at 2020 prices.
PCIE 3.0 TLC is cheap enough in relative terms that one ought to buy it instead of a QLC drive, especially for an OS drive
How big is the actual difference in performance? Was looking at an M.2 stick as a new OS drive. And yeah, PCIe 3, can't really motivate that price bump at all, and its not like I'll be slinging 100+ gigabutts around on a regular basis.
I saw Wario64 tweet about the Best Buy drop as I was getting out of the shower, didn't think much of it. Was watching the "add to cart" button while I was shaving and somehow ended up with a 3090 I get to pick up on Monday! I then told a friend about it, and he managed to snag a 3080 probably 20-30 minutes after I saw the original tweet. They either had a lot of inventory today or were really drip feeding it out effectively. Either way, 2021 is looking up already
PCIE 3.0 TLC is cheap enough in relative terms that one ought to buy it instead of a QLC drive, especially for an OS drive
How big is the actual difference in performance? Was looking at an M.2 stick as a new OS drive. And yeah, PCIe 3, can't really motivate that price bump at all, and its not like I'll be slinging 100+ gigabutts around on a regular basis.
The difference between TLC and QLC is TLC does double the random reads (i.e. the most common form of usage).
If you're getting an NVME drive right now, a TLC 3.0 is the absolute best bang for your buck.
Congrats! Yeah, that is what Best Buy does; they stock up product for 2 weeks at a time then drop it all at once, with what appears to be a bit of a drip feed effect. Getting a 3080 after 20-30 minutes of the drop being live is pretty unusual though!
Congrats! Yeah, that is what Best Buy does; they stock up product for 2 weeks at a time then drop it all at once, with what appears to be a bit of a drip feed effect. Getting a 3080 after 20-30 minutes of the drop being live is pretty unusual though!
Thanks It's a 3090 base NVIDIA card, I'm wondering if I should have/should just wait for one of the EVGA OC cards. Though I should probably just be happy with the one I have, right?
I just upgraded to a 750w PSU in September. If I have the 3090 and a Ryzen 7 3700X, will that be enough? Or have I kneecapped myself a bit here?
Are you writing multi-gigabyte files on a daily basis and/or getting near the write buffer of a drive? If yes then TLC, if no then QLC should be fine. Especially under light workloads and gaming. I'd still rather have a TLC drive in my system but QLC doesn't necessarily suck it just has it's use cases.
Personally, I'd skip a 4.0 drive right now and get the fastest 3.0 drive in the capacity you want. You'll get a drive that's just as fast in normal applications and save a significant amount of money.
Congrats! Yeah, that is what Best Buy does; they stock up product for 2 weeks at a time then drop it all at once, with what appears to be a bit of a drip feed effect. Getting a 3080 after 20-30 minutes of the drop being live is pretty unusual though!
Thanks It's a 3090 base NVIDIA card, I'm wondering if I should have/should just wait for one of the EVGA OC cards. Though I should probably just be happy with the one I have, right?
I just upgraded to a 750w PSU in September. If I have the 3090 and a Ryzen 7 3700X, will that be enough? Or have I kneecapped myself a bit here?
That's 350w and 65w TDP, respectively, so a 750 ought to be just fine. You might not be smack in the middle of the PSU's efficiency curve, but that's not a big deal either. You'll especially have plenty of room if you undervolt a little bit.
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Ok. Well, this is what I've been using for my O/S for a while now. I don't see anywhere where it says if it's QLC or TLC or something else. I also have a 500gb Sabrent Rocket PCI-e 3.0 that does say TLC. Maybe I should just throw my OS on that and get whatever 2tb NVME is cheapest for my games.
60% of what I do with my PC is gaming and 40% is, like Word and Excel. >.>
Pixie after a bit of digging, that Samsung drive appears to be a TLC drive
But it's an older (slower?) drive. At least, it does poorly in Crystaldiskmark compared to my Sabrent.
It's smaller. You typically won't get the full write speed a specific SSD controller is capable of until ~500 GB in size or sometimes even 1 TB in size. Reads are usually pretty similar though. I'm guessing the Sabrent beats it in writes?
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Pixie after a bit of digging, that Samsung drive appears to be a TLC drive
But it's an older (slower?) drive. At least, it does poorly in Crystaldiskmark compared to my Sabrent.
Sequential or random read/writes?
Basically your bottom two benchmarks in Crystal are going to be closer to your real-world performance. Sequential is a different beast, large file transfer stuff.
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Still doesn't explain why white paint is suddenly an extra 80-120 dollars.
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How many people are buying white GPUs though?
It seems like a special run of a product.
I'm considering spending some of my gubmint $600 on a new 2tb NVME and doing away with all these smaller drives I'm running.
I'm looking at the Sabrent ones and this Amazon page has 2 different 2tb ones at $90 difference in price and the differences between the two don't seem that dramatic. Both are PCI-e 4.0, but one is 5000/4400 (read/write) speeds and the other is 4800/3600 (read/write). Outside of benchmarking, would there ever be enough noticeable difference between the two to justify the $90 difference?
The difference probably stems from the type of flash memory used. The QLC drive will probably be cheaper but won't perform as well or have the same lifespan as an equivalent TLC drive.
You probably won't notice much of a difference if you are mostly reading from the drive but if you do any amount of writes to it you want to get the TLC model.
In 2021? Probably a significant number of folks now that white cases don't yellow anymore.
Also just catching up on the last page or so, seems like I really got my shit in the nick of time
It would be my primary/only drive.
I just wondered because I know a lot of times one can see a big difference in numbers on a spec sheet, but not much improvement in actual real world use. And a $90 price difference is pretty significant.
If it is your primary drive it's worth the extra $90 to get a TLC model. Do you need a PCIe 4.0 model? If you can make do with an older drive, 2TB drives that support PCIe 3.0 can be had for around $250 with TLC flash.
Why would I not want a PCI-e 4.0 model? That one you linked has even slower speeds than the two I linked.
cost savings and marginal real-world benefit, basically. The 5000MB/s read speed looks huge but you don't really "feel" the difference like you would the jump from SATA to nvme PCIe 3.
I have a 2TB PCIe 4 nvme (gigabyte aorus), and while its freaking awesome, you can save some money and get the PCIe 3 version and not notice much of a difference.
I figured I was buying something I was going to consistently use for 4-6 years, so I may as well go all out.
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I'm considering the same right now, since I'll get a motherboard with two M.2 slots. And my current Windows installation is... five years old, minimum?
I don't need much space for the OS though, I have it on a 256 gig SSD at the moment with plenty of space to spare. But I guess I can go bigger and just partition it.
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It's simply a order of magnitude thing. When you go from a spinning disk to a (good) SATA SSD, you see massive improvements in speed and particularly latency. You see much less real improvement when you go to a NVMe drive from a SATA drive. And with a PCIe 3.0 -> PCIe 4.0, you basically see no improvement, latency is already minimized and the difference between 3000 MB/s and 5000 MB/s is marginal in real world terms unless you are doing minutes long transfers of files.
Also, do you have a B550 or X570 board with a Ryzen 3000 series or better CPU? If you don't, you will see absolutely 0 benefit from a PCIe 4.0 compatible drive.
I have an X570 board and a Ryzen 3700X. I currently already have 2 NVME drives, one 250gb and one 500gb (plus an SSD and a 4tb HDD). I just want to switch out to a single 2tb NVME and I want the best bang for the buck.
I have plenty of room for a heat sink - both my current NVMEs have heat sinks.
I just wanted to know if that bump between the two Sabrent drives was really worth a $90 price premium, which you first told me yes and then told me no.
Here is Tom's Hardware's best value PCIe 4.0 model, uses TLC:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/adata-xpg-gammix-s50-lite-m-2-ssd-review/2
Huh?
Is the extra $90 worth it to buy a TLC PCIe 4.0 drive over a QLC PCIe 4.0 drive to replace all of your other drives, including the drive housing your primary windows install? Yes!
Is the $120+ price difference between a TLC PCIe 3.0 and TLC PCIe 4.0 drive worth the minor performance difference between the two? Absolutely not, don't waste your money.
Is a QLC drive of any type in your application a good idea? Absolutely not.
Looking at some reviews and benchmarks the extra $90 doesn't get you anything you'll ever notice. Save your money.
Outside of very intensive data transfer workloads QLC memory is fine for the normal gamer/consumer.
It's not. Don't buy PCIE 4.0 NVME drives right now; nothing in the real world needs or benefits from that kind of bandwidth yet, and you'll be generating extra heat for no reason.
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QLC sucks for writes
If it's your primary drive you will be doing a lot of writes whether you know it or not
ergo QLC sucks for your primary drive and you should not buy QLC
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What?
How big is the actual difference in performance? Was looking at an M.2 stick as a new OS drive. And yeah, PCIe 3, can't really motivate that price bump at all, and its not like I'll be slinging 100+ gigabutts around on a regular basis.
The difference between TLC and QLC is TLC does double the random reads (i.e. the most common form of usage).
If you're getting an NVME drive right now, a TLC 3.0 is the absolute best bang for your buck.
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I just upgraded to a 750w PSU in September. If I have the 3090 and a Ryzen 7 3700X, will that be enough? Or have I kneecapped myself a bit here?
Personally, I'd skip a 4.0 drive right now and get the fastest 3.0 drive in the capacity you want. You'll get a drive that's just as fast in normal applications and save a significant amount of money.
That's 350w and 65w TDP, respectively, so a 750 ought to be just fine. You might not be smack in the middle of the PSU's efficiency curve, but that's not a big deal either. You'll especially have plenty of room if you undervolt a little bit.
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60% of what I do with my PC is gaming and 40% is, like Word and Excel. >.>
But it's an older (slower?) drive. At least, it does poorly in Crystaldiskmark compared to my Sabrent.
It's smaller. You typically won't get the full write speed a specific SSD controller is capable of until ~500 GB in size or sometimes even 1 TB in size. Reads are usually pretty similar though. I'm guessing the Sabrent beats it in writes?
Sequential or random read/writes?
Basically your bottom two benchmarks in Crystal are going to be closer to your real-world performance. Sequential is a different beast, large file transfer stuff.