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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    It doesn't JUST exist in the South.

    As in, not only there.

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    TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    A particulary interesting observation from that thread is that is not that Lindsey Graham doesn't have a spine, is that he's a pure-blooded Confederate that hates the Union and will say and do whatever it takes to support the lost cause. Same goes for McConnell and the rest.

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    All these large and gradual changes would still not have brought about the terrible transformation to race slavery, had it not been for several other crucial factors. One ingredient was the mounting fear among colonial leaders regarding signs of discontent and cooperation among poor and unfree colonists of all sorts. Europeans and Africans worked together, intermarried, ran away together, and shared common resentments toward the well-to-do. Both groups were involved in a series of bitter strikes and servant uprisings among tobacco pickers in Virginia, culminating in an open rebellion in 1676. Greatly outnumbered by these armed workers, authorities were quick to sense the need to divide their labor force in order to control it. Stressing cultural and ethnic divisions would be one way to do that.

    Lifetime servitude could be enforced only by removing the prospect that a person might gain freedom through Christian conversion. One approach was to outlaw this traditional route to freedom. As early as 1664, a Maryland statute specified that Christian baptism could have no effect upon the legal status of a slave. A more sweeping solution, however, involved removing religion altogether as a factor in determining servitude.

    Therefore, another fundamental key to the terrible transformation was the shift from changeable spiritual faith to unchangeable physical appearance as a measure of status. Increasingly, the dominant English came to view Africans not as “heathen people” but as “black people.” They began, for the first time, to describe themselves not as Christians but as whites. And they gradually wrote this shift into their colonial laws. Within a generation, the English definition of who could be made a slave had shifted from someone who was not a Christian to someone who was not European in appearance. Indeed, the transition for self-interested Englishmen went further. It was a small but momentous step from saying that black persons could be enslaved to saying that Negroes should be enslaved. One Christian minister was dismayed by this rapid change to slavery based on race: “These two words, Negro and Slave” wrote the Rev. Morgan Godwyn in 1680, are “by custom grown Homogeneous and Convertible”—that is, interchangeable.

    As if this momentous shift were not enough, it was accompanied by another. Those who wrote the colonial laws not only moved to make slavery racial; they also made it hereditary. Under English common law, a child inherited the legal status of the father. As Virginia officials put it in 1655: “By the Comon Law the Child of a Woman slave begot by a freeman ought to bee free.”

    But within seven years that option had been removed. Faced with cases of “whether children got by any Englishman upon a negro woman should be slave or Free,” the Virginia Assembly in 1662 decided in favor of the master demanding service rather than the child claiming freedom. In this special circumstance, the Assembly ignored all English precedents that children inherited the name and status of their father. Instead, the men in the colonial legislature declared that all such children “borne in this country shal be held bond or free only according to the condition of the mother.” In Virginia, and soon elsewhere, the children of slave mothers would be slaves forever.

    Now the terrible transformation was almost complete, with the colony of Virginia leading the way. An additional legal sleight of hand by the land-hungry Virginia gentry helped speed the process. For several generations, as an incentive toward immigration, newcomers had received title to a parcel of land, called a “headright,” for every family member or European servant they brought to the struggling colony.

    This why I balk at Americans denouncing all forms of slavery in the same breath or calling all Europeans white.

    All this shit in America was designed from the beginning to be a vile economic engine that stripped people of their histories and made them cogs in the machine. It is an intentional act of cruelty whose rancid corpse poisons the rivers of America for the rest of its future.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    pooka wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    pooka wrote: »
    Americans pride themselves on innovation

    (this cynicism brought to you by the forum bug)
    We also liked exporting it too

    Guess where the Nazis got Lebensraum and their anti-Jewish laws from.

    Guess.

    Answer Key:
    - American Manifest Destiny
    - American Jim Crow laws
    this is the second thread and post i don't understand why you've quoted me, but uh, i don't have to guess. I'm a Choctaw from Oklahoma, and lived in Germany for a span. history isn't that far back, and my family is well aware.

    @pooka

    Sorry for that; I was trying to jump off from what you said, agreeing with the sardonic point you were making about America’s “innovations” and adding two examples that America and Americans like to ignore that we had a hand in exporting abroad*

    The “guess” part wasn’t directed at you but at any hypothetical audience reading the conversation, but reading again I can see how the antagonistic quality can be read as directed to you instead of the wider, general audience, sorry again there

    *especially since it makes whitewashing our legacy in WWII as “saviors of the free world” a lot harder to maintain if we have to acknowledge “also we kind of gave the Nazis the blueprints and a practical example to follow for the two biggest nightmares they rolled out”

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    pooka wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    What kind of mindset doesn't exist in the South? They invented a word to refer to the good old days when Southern gentlemen were American aristocrats!
    "doesn't just", as in doesn't only

    context would have suggested there was a typo even without the (i assume) edit to correct it . . . twenty minutes before your post

    Yes apologies I read it as "just doesn't exist"

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    All these large and gradual changes would still not have brought about the terrible transformation to race slavery, had it not been for several other crucial factors. One ingredient was the mounting fear among colonial leaders regarding signs of discontent and cooperation among poor and unfree colonists of all sorts. Europeans and Africans worked together, intermarried, ran away together, and shared common resentments toward the well-to-do. Both groups were involved in a series of bitter strikes and servant uprisings among tobacco pickers in Virginia, culminating in an open rebellion in 1676. Greatly outnumbered by these armed workers, authorities were quick to sense the need to divide their labor force in order to control it. Stressing cultural and ethnic divisions would be one way to do that.

    Lifetime servitude could be enforced only by removing the prospect that a person might gain freedom through Christian conversion. One approach was to outlaw this traditional route to freedom. As early as 1664, a Maryland statute specified that Christian baptism could have no effect upon the legal status of a slave. A more sweeping solution, however, involved removing religion altogether as a factor in determining servitude.

    Therefore, another fundamental key to the terrible transformation was the shift from changeable spiritual faith to unchangeable physical appearance as a measure of status. Increasingly, the dominant English came to view Africans not as “heathen people” but as “black people.” They began, for the first time, to describe themselves not as Christians but as whites. And they gradually wrote this shift into their colonial laws. Within a generation, the English definition of who could be made a slave had shifted from someone who was not a Christian to someone who was not European in appearance. Indeed, the transition for self-interested Englishmen went further. It was a small but momentous step from saying that black persons could be enslaved to saying that Negroes should be enslaved. One Christian minister was dismayed by this rapid change to slavery based on race: “These two words, Negro and Slave” wrote the Rev. Morgan Godwyn in 1680, are “by custom grown Homogeneous and Convertible”—that is, interchangeable.

    As if this momentous shift were not enough, it was accompanied by another. Those who wrote the colonial laws not only moved to make slavery racial; they also made it hereditary. Under English common law, a child inherited the legal status of the father. As Virginia officials put it in 1655: “By the Comon Law the Child of a Woman slave begot by a freeman ought to bee free.”

    But within seven years that option had been removed. Faced with cases of “whether children got by any Englishman upon a negro woman should be slave or Free,” the Virginia Assembly in 1662 decided in favor of the master demanding service rather than the child claiming freedom. In this special circumstance, the Assembly ignored all English precedents that children inherited the name and status of their father. Instead, the men in the colonial legislature declared that all such children “borne in this country shal be held bond or free only according to the condition of the mother.” In Virginia, and soon elsewhere, the children of slave mothers would be slaves forever.

    Now the terrible transformation was almost complete, with the colony of Virginia leading the way. An additional legal sleight of hand by the land-hungry Virginia gentry helped speed the process. For several generations, as an incentive toward immigration, newcomers had received title to a parcel of land, called a “headright,” for every family member or European servant they brought to the struggling colony.

    This why I balk at Americans denouncing all forms of slavery in the same breath or calling all Europeans white.

    All this shit in America was designed from the beginning to be a vile economic engine that stripped people of their histories and made them cogs in the machine. It is an intentional act of cruelty whose rancid corpse poisons the rivers of America for the rest of its future.

    “I do not understand why this machine continues to rend hand after hand into a bloody stump!”

    [the man stands next to an industrial thresher, upon which the label “Automated Nail Trimmer 9000” has been crudely affixed to the side]

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    pooka wrote: »
    Americans pride themselves on innovation

    (this cynicism brought to you by the forum bug)

    We also liked exporting it too

    Guess where the Nazis got Lebensraum and their anti-Jewish laws from.

    Guess.


    Answer Key:
    - American Manifest Destiny
    - American Jim Crow laws

    Also Eugenics!

    Thanks California...

    Whippy wrote: »
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    TonkkaTonkka Some one in the club tonight Has stolen my ideas.Registered User regular
    My sister's current partner used to be a cop in Baltimore, and he claimed to be "one of the good ones" when I brought up ACAB and abolishing the police was the only way to reform them.

    I gave him partial credit for quitting and going in to home restoration instead.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    God dammit McNulty

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular

    that 1900 is for baltimore county; baltimore city has like ~2500 officers (so it's still a disgustingly high percentage)

    i will say, it is satisfying to yell at baltimore city cops if you've got the privilege to survive it

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    I visited Baltimore a few years ago and I was shocked at how segregated it is. I mean I guess living in Massachusetts has left me a bit naive about "northern" cities.

    "Simple, real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time." -Mustrum Ridcully in Terry Pratchett's Hogfather p. 142 (HarperPrism 1996)
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    TefTef Registered User regular
    I’d really be interested to hear what youse all are doing in your meat space communities to support others and yourselves.

    To kick us off, I started doing some work with a local at-home nursing company. They have a bunch of house-bound patients so I’ll go around there and do some of the gardening. Most of the people are older and while they’ll potter around their garden, they can’t do some of the more physical stuff. In return I’m getting fed and as someone who is on the road a lot for work, it’s been nice to have a nutritious home made meal. The only sad part is I have to relocate back to another part of the country in two weeks’ time so that’ll be the end of it here.

    I also finished reading Kropotkin’s Mutual Aid recently. I did like it but man, it was a slog. I think a lot of his thesis we pick up just through cultural osmosis and listening to modern day leftists speak, but I did enjoy reading the original text.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    I got elected to my union's local Executive Board during our recent triennial elections. I'm going to use this privileged position to work with our newly-formed Diversity Taskforce to recommend policy changes which include, among other things, codifying unambiguous anti-racist/anti-fascist language into our chartered constitution and bylaws.

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    turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    I live in the middle of a county that went 89% Trump this last election and nobody wears masks. I donate some money to the food bank and stay the fuck home. Gotta push my luck enough at work every day.

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    CelloCello Registered User regular
    It's hard to get up to much while isolated at home, but I'm hoping to get some more volunteer work in once the pandemic's done with. Maybe one of the local food banks or something; I've signed up to volunteer with the left-est major party in the country but that'll likely only come up during election time

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Matt Ferner is the Editor in Chief for The Appeal.


    BREAKING: Austin City Council approves the purchase of a hotel to permanently house people experiencing chronic homelessness USING DOLLARS CUT FROM THE POLICE BUDGET

    Fuuuuuuck yeahhhhhhhhhhhh

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Man, I needed some news like this.

    Delectable.

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    Fucking rad.

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    The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Matt Ferner is the Editor in Chief for The Appeal.


    BREAKING: Austin City Council approves the purchase of a hotel to permanently house people experiencing chronic homelessness USING DOLLARS CUT FROM THE POLICE BUDGET

    Fuuuuuuck yeahhhhhhhhhhhh

    Awesome, can't wait for this to get tied up in courts for years and never happen.

    BLM - ACAB
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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Thought I was pretty jaded by now but fuck if this Breanna Taylor graffiti didn't get me

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Fuck

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    Blue lives matter....unless you're black
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/louisiana-cemetery-refused-accept-remains-sheriff-s-deputy-because-he-n1256203


    Edit: also, editing out racist bylaws should be first day of job actions.

    RoyceSraphim on
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    TefTef Registered User regular
    I fairly recently found out about Noname Book Club. Highly recommend you check them out nonamebook.com if youse all are like me, we should all be reading more black books.

    Just picked up The Vanishing Half by Brit Bennet. Pretty good so far, easy reading but engaging

    help a fellow forumer meet their mental health care needs because USA healthcare sucks!

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    TefTef Registered User regular
    Also youse all need to read Black Against Empire: The History and Politics of The Black Panther Party. It’s well paced, fascinating and very detailed. It makes for some great counter propaganda ammunition too imo

    help a fellow forumer meet their mental health care needs because USA healthcare sucks!

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better

    bit.ly/2XQM1ke
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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Blue lives matter....unless you're black
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/louisiana-cemetery-refused-accept-remains-sheriff-s-deputy-because-he-n1256203


    Edit: also, editing out racist bylaws should be first day of job actions.

    How hard is it to just... not? Like, fucking hells, that lady had that bylaw in her back pocket, and was probably super stoked to use it.

    A human being with empathy would mention it to the board later, and they would quietly remove the bylaw, and no one would ever have known

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    TefTef Registered User regular
    Tef wrote: »
    Also youse all need to read Black Against Empire: The History and Politics of The Black Panther Party. It’s well paced, fascinating and very detailed. It makes for some great counter propaganda ammunition too imo

    now I'm on a PC, here's the epub and mobi links to the book. Josh Bloom released these via his twitter when all the shit started really going down. I actually listened to this as an audiobook which I highly recommend, but you gotta pay for that.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u0gG2RiChsi9s3hX5EiffGbFV8Y01WjJ/view?usp=sharing

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_pcqb6JiyEiz5_eGFZo-qeAr2o9hcP0T/view?usp=sharing

    help a fellow forumer meet their mental health care needs because USA healthcare sucks!

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better

    bit.ly/2XQM1ke
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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Blue lives matter....unless you're black
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/louisiana-cemetery-refused-accept-remains-sheriff-s-deputy-because-he-n1256203


    Edit: also, editing out racist bylaws should be first day of job actions.

    How hard is it to just... not? Like, fucking hells, that lady had that bylaw in her back pocket, and was probably super stoked to use it.

    A human being with empathy would mention it to the board later, and they would quietly remove the bylaw, and no one would ever have known

    The answer is that the lady was/is racist as fuck.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    The Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation has won the 2020 Olaf Palme human rights prize.
    The 2020 Olof Palme Prize is awarded to the international civil rights movement Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, with roots in the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement founded by Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza, and Opal Tometi in 2013.

    Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation is working for peaceful civil disobedience against police brutality and racial violence all over the world. The BLM movement at large has in a unique way exposed the hardship, pain, and wrath of the African-American minority at not being valued equal to people of a different color.

    Black Lives Matter had its great national and international breakthrough in the summer of 2020, in connection with a number of cases of extreme brutality. In the United States alone, an estimated twenty million people have taken part in Black Lives Matter protests, and millions more have made their voices heard all over the world. This illustrates that racism and racist violence is not just a problem in American society, but a global problem, including Sweden.

    That the all powerful raised voices of African Americans resonate so strongly also internationally, shows that this in essence is about global threats to human dignity and fundamental human rights: BLACK LIVES MATTER!

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    TefTef Registered User regular
    Tef wrote: »
    Tef wrote: »
    Also youse all need to read Black Against Empire: The History and Politics of The Black Panther Party. It’s well paced, fascinating and very detailed. It makes for some great counter propaganda ammunition too imo

    now I'm on a PC, here's the epub and mobi links to the book. Josh Bloom released these via his twitter when all the shit started really going down. I actually listened to this as an audiobook which I highly recommend, but you gotta pay for that.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u0gG2RiChsi9s3hX5EiffGbFV8Y01WjJ/view?usp=sharing

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_pcqb6JiyEiz5_eGFZo-qeAr2o9hcP0T/view?usp=sharing

    Are these links accessible to everyone? I just got an access request and never use drive, so I have no idea what I’m doing

    help a fellow forumer meet their mental health care needs because USA healthcare sucks!

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better

    bit.ly/2XQM1ke
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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    those appear to be downloadable for me

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    MidniteMidnite Registered User regular
    USA Today wrote:
    Police said the handcuffed, 9-year-old girl's actions “required” an officer to spray an “irritant” in her face.
    USA Today wrote:
    Police Chief Cynthia Herriott-Sullivan on Sunday described the irritant as pepper spray.

    That part of the interaction plays out near the end of the second video. As the girl continues to struggle and cry, an officer can be heard saying, “Just spray her at this point” and closes the car door.
    (USA Today is news outlet)

    It does not appear the Rochester Police have learned anything following the murder of Daniel Prude and subsequent cover-up.

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    MidniteMidnite Registered User regular
    AP wrote:
    Wisconsin prosecutors are seeking an arrest warrant for Kyle Rittenhouse, the teen charged with fatally shooting two people during an anti-police protest in Kenosha in August. They say he violated bond by failing to update his address.
    (The Associated Press is a news agency)

    looks like Rittenhouse might have disappeared.

    NEW: The courts can not find #KyleRittenhouse . Prosecutors now want his bond for charges in two homicides raised. @WISN12News
    (Derrick Rose is a reporter from Wisconsin and not the basketball player/rapist)

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    So it looks like Kyle Rittenhouse may be on the run



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    Tweeter is a reporter for a Southeast Wisconsin ABC local news affiliate, pictures are from a court filing.

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    TicaldfjamTicaldfjam Snoqualmie, WARegistered User regular
    So it looks like Kyle Rittenhouse may be on the run



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    Tweeter is a reporter for a Southeast Wisconsin ABC local news affiliate, pictures are from a court filing.

    Fucking Coward. Go face the music for your "Super Race" Kyle.

    Just fucking cowards these Proud Boys are.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Kyle Rittenhouse was always going to flee if he got out of jail. This was inevitable.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    nobody saw this one coming

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    No one except everyone.

    On the upside, now he’s a fugitive, so that’s pretty rad.

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