Joe Manchin wouldn't switch for his next run for office, what is the benefit of that? Why would the Republicans repay him for something he MIGHT win in the future, and are they going to throw money to help his candidacy from the Senate Republican campaign fund when they could just throw that at some raging unhinged person who will probably be more loyal to them?
If Manchin was going to switch parties, NOW is the time to do that. This would instantly swing a lot of power in the senate instead of maybe swinging it if he happens to win and for that then the big name Republicans would promise to help him fund raise and clear the field.
Joe Manchin isn't principled, he just enjoys the power
if he switches he's just some Republican no one cares about
right now he's the guy with all the cards
he's just an asshole but unfortunately it's better if he's our asshole
Nah, he is principled, it's just that his principles are fron a Senate that doesn't exist anymore.
The idea that Manchin just wants power just doesn't fit with anything he's done. If the filibuster is dead, Manchin becomes just WAY more powerful in the Senate. He becomes the linchpin around which the entire Senate turns in a lot of cases. He basically gets to be the vote that decides what passes and what doesn't.
Manchin is the opposite. He doesn't want to be directly responsible for anything. He wants to stand in front of a crowd of people and get credit for "making a deal" while not having to be directly responsible for the exact content of the bill. It wasn't what he wanted after all, it's what everyone wanted.
The idea that Manchin just wants power just doesn't fit with anything he's done. If the filibuster is dead, Manchin becomes just WAY more powerful in the Senate. He becomes the linchpin around which the entire Senate turns in a lot of cases. He basically gets to be the vote that decides what passes and what doesn't.
Hes already this. You are describing his current position.
The idea that Manchin just wants power just doesn't fit with anything he's done. If the filibuster is dead, Manchin becomes just WAY more powerful in the Senate. He becomes the linchpin around which the entire Senate turns in a lot of cases. He basically gets to be the vote that decides what passes and what doesn't.
Hes already this. You are describing his current position.
No, I'm not. Because Manchin has to get 10 Republicans on board to actually get anything done. Which he keeps saying he's totally gonna do. If the filibuster is gone, he just says "Yes" and it's done. No extra steps. No need to take another 10 people's views into account. But he doesn't want that.
Yeah, Manchin benefits from republican obstructionism. The less votes he has to cast, the less of a record there is to hold against him and he can keep acting like he's a bipartisan unicorn.
Yeah it’s weird how Sinema went all diva on everyone
She was a Green Party member back in the day. In other countries, they're a legitimate party with good policies and such, but in the US, they're a troll party receiving at least part of their funding from Putin's endless pot of international discord money. She's a troll, and I wonder how much of her activism back in the day was actually legit and wasn't just her trolling too.
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...maybe Romney is more agreeable. He never has to worry about being primaryed.
Sen. Mitt Romney was booed by over 2,100 Republican delegates for the party’s state convention: "I’m a man who says what he means, and you know I was not a fan of our last president’s character issues,” Romney said as crowd shouted “traitor” or “communist”
Totally not a cult. Totally not crazy. Everything's going great.
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They tried to censure him for voting to impeach Trump, but the vote failed 711-798.
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I love the fact that the GOP still has so many out-of-touch assholes throwing around "communist" like it means a single damn thing coming from them, even among themselves. They don't even know fucking century it is, do they?
Mitt Romney is one of the least communist people in America. The GOP are just completely detached from reality. It must be hard to be one of the few remaining sane people in the Republican Party.
Mitt Romney is one of the least communist people in America. The GOP are just completely detached from reality. It must be hard to be one of the few remaining sane people in the Republican Party.
Mitt Romney is one of the least communist people in America. The GOP are just completely detached from reality. It must be hard to be one of the few remaining sane people in the Republican Party.
Mitt Romney is one of the least communist people in America. The GOP are just completely detached from reality. It must be hard to be one of the few remaining sane people in the Republican Party.
I love the fact that the GOP still has so many out-of-touch assholes throwing around "communist" like it means a single damn thing coming from them, even among themselves. They don't even know fucking century it is, do they?
What, you mean to tell me that a communist isn't a person capable of independant thought and legendary for running a company that fucked countless american's out of work?
Like "Antifa," it's just a word for them that means "not us."
See also: socialist
This last week Republicans like Cruz and McConnell were calling corporations opposing them “woke”, which is... first off, appropriating black language to try and get corporate America back in fascist line is “fish gotta swim” territory for those vampires
But also, corporations are not and never will be “woke”
Like "Antifa," it's just a word for them that means "not us."
See also: socialist
This last week Republicans like Cruz and McConnell were calling corporations opposing them “woke”, which is... first off, appropriating black language to try and get corporate America back in fascist line is “fish gotta swim” territory for those vampires
But also, corporations are not and never will be “woke”
Some corporations are prepared to express their interest in getting and maintaining minority customers. This is usually for commercial reasons or to keep their employees happy.
Romney still voted against the covid relief bill. Just like during the Trump years he supported trump as hard as anyone else, his principals are shit.
Why would disliking a crook like Trump suddenly turn a conservative into a liberal? Romney dislikes Trump's dishonesty and corruption, not his conservatism, which he shares.
I think Romney dislikes the uncouthness, the corruption, and the weird conspiracy shit. But that's not going to turn him into a Democrat is it? Despite the Republican idiots calling him a communist, he's a fervent believer in capitalism and religious conservatism.
I think Romney dislikes the uncouthness, the corruption, and the weird conspiracy shit. But that's not going to turn him into a Democrat is it? Despite the Republican idiots calling him a communist, he's a fervent believer in capitalism and religious conservatism.
I always got the sense that yeah, Romney can't stand the fact that he's faced with idiots saying the quiet part out loud (like legit, I suspect he's very uncomfortable with the euphemisms of his trade being so nakedly exposed) and the openly public corruption - you're supposed to do that shit in back rooms around Congress and at swanky $20k plate dinners.
But for anyone that ever questions if he's still a republican...just look to his comments about Barrett's Supreme Court confirmation. He didn't give a shit about the ethics, or tradition breaking that the GOP were doing, or even what they had declared just 4 years prior; this was a chance to make the SC a (bigger) conservative majority and by god he, and the GOP were going to take it.
Romney is barely more principled than the average Republican because he voted to convict Trump
He gets a tiny amount of credit for doing something very unpopular in his party
That said, I really think he thought “Trump is the problem, once he is gone the party can go back to being quietly terrible again”, hence his openly sharing his opinion of Trump
I expect he was shocked that the party still belongs to a cult leader now that he’s gone, and that the only correct course of action in his party is still to declare undying fealty to a turdbucket that lost an election
Especially after he lost to Obama and nobody did this for him
Lets not forget his I am Reek moment of going to dinner with Trump to beg for the SoS job he never had a chance of getting.
I suspect he did have a chance of getting it but wouldn’t do that creepy “swearing loyalty” stuff that Trump asked of people.
I see no evidence to support this. I think Trump orchestrating that photo to humiliate Romney is far more likely. It was payback for Mitt's way-too-late-in-the-game press conference during the primary.
I believe Romney has some integrity and genuinely wanted the job because he feared the damage a Trump toady could do as the lead on foreign policy. However, I don't think for a second Trump was going to hire him for anything.
Eh, I feel like Trump would have absolutely given Romney the job if Romney becamea sycophant. Dude's ego probably orgasms at the idea of turning a critic/opponent into a lacky.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Romney believes in his policies as being better for the people and is concerned about his legacy and place his history.
That makes him better by default than basically any other Republican currently serving but at that point the bar is so low that it’s subterranean.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Lets not forget his I am Reek moment of going to dinner with Trump to beg for the SoS job he never had a chance of getting.
(It rhymes with weak.)
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
If Trump worked that way, then I doubt he would have thrown Christie under the bus the way he did. Sure the fucker probably gets off turning critics and opponent into lackeys, but turning them into lackeys doesn't mean you necessarily give them good jobs. Hell, Trump is the kind of shit that would rather turn a critic/opponent that could be a strong ally somewhere into the covfefe boy, that trotted out like a trained monkey every time someone of importance shows up for a meeting. Just to further humiliate them and try to intimidate other critics and foes.
Anyways, the special election in Texas 6th both shows that Trump still has a sway on the party and that runoffs are fucking terrible. The Trump candidate didn't even break 20% and it's down to her and one other republican in the runoff. I'd be curious to see how things would have turned out in a ranked voting setup. It's possible, despite the district being competitive that democrats would have still been locked out. I mean, I could see a race with 20+ candidates actually being bad for turnout because a number of voters freeze up at the prospect of having to analyze that many candidates.
Unfortunately, with the democratic candidate not getting into the top two. They aren't going to get a chance to increase their majority.
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Nah, he is principled, it's just that his principles are fron a Senate that doesn't exist anymore.
Manchin is the opposite. He doesn't want to be directly responsible for anything. He wants to stand in front of a crowd of people and get credit for "making a deal" while not having to be directly responsible for the exact content of the bill. It wasn't what he wanted after all, it's what everyone wanted.
Hes already this. You are describing his current position.
No, I'm not. Because Manchin has to get 10 Republicans on board to actually get anything done. Which he keeps saying he's totally gonna do. If the filibuster is gone, he just says "Yes" and it's done. No extra steps. No need to take another 10 people's views into account. But he doesn't want that.
She was a Green Party member back in the day. In other countries, they're a legitimate party with good policies and such, but in the US, they're a troll party receiving at least part of their funding from Putin's endless pot of international discord money. She's a troll, and I wonder how much of her activism back in the day was actually legit and wasn't just her trolling too.
Speaking of Romney...
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Totally not a cult. Totally not crazy. Everything's going great.
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They tried to censure him for voting to impeach Trump, but the vote failed 711-798.
ARAB
...you might want to reconsider that abbreviation
What?
Maybe AGAB instead? Also alludes to ... well, Gab.
What, you mean to tell me that a communist isn't a person capable of independant thought and legendary for running a company that fucked countless american's out of work?
See also: socialist
This last week Republicans like Cruz and McConnell were calling corporations opposing them “woke”, which is... first off, appropriating black language to try and get corporate America back in fascist line is “fish gotta swim” territory for those vampires
But also, corporations are not and never will be “woke”
Some corporations are prepared to express their interest in getting and maintaining minority customers. This is usually for commercial reasons or to keep their employees happy.
I thought it was Assigned Republican At Birth >.>
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Why would disliking a crook like Trump suddenly turn a conservative into a liberal? Romney dislikes Trump's dishonesty and corruption, not his conservatism, which he shares.
I'm not sure why this confuses so many people.
Yeah, he like Collins, and a very few others, are of the "we may be unprincipled assholes, but we're polite about it".
It's not the positions (for the most part) of the QOP they disagree with. It's that they're just so uncouth.
I always got the sense that yeah, Romney can't stand the fact that he's faced with idiots saying the quiet part out loud (like legit, I suspect he's very uncomfortable with the euphemisms of his trade being so nakedly exposed) and the openly public corruption - you're supposed to do that shit in back rooms around Congress and at swanky $20k plate dinners.
But for anyone that ever questions if he's still a republican...just look to his comments about Barrett's Supreme Court confirmation. He didn't give a shit about the ethics, or tradition breaking that the GOP were doing, or even what they had declared just 4 years prior; this was a chance to make the SC a (bigger) conservative majority and by god he, and the GOP were going to take it.
He gets a tiny amount of credit for doing something very unpopular in his party
That said, I really think he thought “Trump is the problem, once he is gone the party can go back to being quietly terrible again”, hence his openly sharing his opinion of Trump
I expect he was shocked that the party still belongs to a cult leader now that he’s gone, and that the only correct course of action in his party is still to declare undying fealty to a turdbucket that lost an election
Especially after he lost to Obama and nobody did this for him
I suspect he did have a chance of getting it but wouldn’t do that creepy “swearing loyalty” stuff that Trump asked of people.
I see no evidence to support this. I think Trump orchestrating that photo to humiliate Romney is far more likely. It was payback for Mitt's way-too-late-in-the-game press conference during the primary.
I believe Romney has some integrity and genuinely wanted the job because he feared the damage a Trump toady could do as the lead on foreign policy. However, I don't think for a second Trump was going to hire him for anything.
That makes him better by default than basically any other Republican currently serving but at that point the bar is so low that it’s subterranean.
His legacy is that photo of him having dinner with Trump.
(It rhymes with weak.)
His legacy is probably being the only Republican who voted to impeach Trump the first time.
Anyways, the special election in Texas 6th both shows that Trump still has a sway on the party and that runoffs are fucking terrible. The Trump candidate didn't even break 20% and it's down to her and one other republican in the runoff. I'd be curious to see how things would have turned out in a ranked voting setup. It's possible, despite the district being competitive that democrats would have still been locked out. I mean, I could see a race with 20+ candidates actually being bad for turnout because a number of voters freeze up at the prospect of having to analyze that many candidates.
Unfortunately, with the democratic candidate not getting into the top two. They aren't going to get a chance to increase their majority.
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Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.