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The [chat] Who Circumnavigated Fairyland

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  • danxdanx Registered User regular
    They do make it look easy sometimes.

    Calligraphers tend to speed up videos on Youtube and Instagram which is really deceiving. My favorite is when they post free tuition videos in which they stress calligraphy is slow and you should slow down then speed up demos in the video for time. Way to go asshole! :+1:

  • DidgeridooDidgeridoo Registered User regular
    Oh man, I'm moving on from Robo Bean to the Mannequinization portion of Proko's figure drawing class and BOY is that a big jump in difficulty! I'm gonna have to get real comfortable with producing a bunch of truly terrible drawings.

  • danx wrote: »
    They do make it look easy sometimes.

    Calligraphers tend to speed up videos on Youtube and Instagram which is really deceiving. My favorite is when they post free tuition videos in which they stress calligraphy is slow and you should slow down then speed up demos in the video for time. Way to go asshole! :+1:

    To be fair, I agree that all the sped up/highly edited art videos out there tend to give a really deceptive idea about how long art 'should' take to make...but then, if someone posts a video where they do it all in real time, I know I'm skipping through it or playing it at 2x speed anyway. :P
    So maybe I'm the problem.

    Speaking of sped-up art videos, maybe the most extreme example I've seen here- boiling down a 5000 hour painting by a traditional matte painter into 20 minutes using a really clever stop motion technique.

    (Painting starts at about 6:40)


    How he did it, with some 'real time' footage in there to let you see just how pain-staking his process is:

    ChicoBlueIrukaAimGrifter
  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    That's excruciating and amazing.

    danxAngel_of_BaconIrukaAimDoodmann
  • danxdanx Registered User regular
    Yeah that's pretty intense. 210 days of just working on one painting.

    To be fair, I agree that all the sped up/highly edited art videos out there tend to give a really deceptive idea about how long art 'should' take to make...but then, if someone posts a video where they do it all in real time, I know I'm skipping through it or playing it at 2x speed anyway. :P
    So maybe I'm the problem.

    Oh I don't have any issues with sped up paintings, etc. It's sped up calligraphy and hand lettering educational content that really bothers me. Sped up calligraphy looks almost like something you could do so it does give a false impression but it's mostly fine (I'd prefer they always labelled the speed up but it's not a deal breaker). Some people do it in tutorials aimed at beginners though and it just sucks.

    It's irritating when it's calligraphy or hand lettering because the natural speed depends on the type, the experience of the person, the size of lettering your working with so being unclear about what's being sped up is unhelpful. Other art instruction tends to be better about when to speed up - either speeding up the parts they expect people to be familiar with or speeding up a full demo at the end.

  • DidgeridooDidgeridoo Registered User regular
    So I've been plugging along with exercises and personal projects and shit and I cannot believe how much of learning drawing for me really boils down to me absolutely refusing to admit I have no idea what anything actually looks like. And then trying to draw it over and over again. And then admitting that I don't remember what anything looks like ever, and painstakingly using references.

    Even though I fully recognize this phenomenon, there is a zero percent chance that my next project will avoid the same pattern

  • hiraethhiraeth SpaceRegistered User regular
    I've always done that on purpose to help learn things, I saw a video a while ago about doing it for art specifically

  • EsiotrotEsiotrot Registered User regular
    can I ask for an opinion from you lovely lot with your lovely talented eyes? I am sending out a mail shot to try and drum up some work because it's slowed down a bit recently and wondering which of the following you think is the most effective. I'm sending this to bands/labels/promoters in the metal/general music scene
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  • megadosmegados Registered User new member
    I never post because my eyes are neither lovely nor talented. I would say 1 or 3, just because putting the 'swirl' behind the skulls makes no sense to me.

    Esiotrot
  • gavindelgavindel The reason all your software is brokenRegistered User regular
    1. Keep it simple, can always add more skulls

    I've got a book! Angels, innovations, and the hubris of tiny things: Seraphim
    Esiotrot
  • danxdanx Registered User regular
    hiraeth wrote: »
    I've always done that on purpose to help learn things, I saw a video a while ago about doing it for art specifically


    The technique in that vid sounds like something you'd find in the book 'Make It Stick' adapted to art instead of the examples given in the book which focus on more wordy(?) knowledge subjects and sports. The scuplter starts by sculpting what he thinks a chimp looks like (retrieval), corrects it in the next sculpt, then goes back to using his new memory repeating the process until he knows how to sculpt it. The video doesn't cover spacing which helps to maintain that knowledge by periodically revisiting the material to keep it fresh.

    Would recommend reading the book if you want to learn stuff that persists. I thought my memory was complete dog shit wrapped in cat shit but I was using it wrong. Now instead of telling my brain to remember stuff by repeating things, I basically ask it what it remembers (this is called retrieval) and fix any mistakes. It even works for new stuff you just learned. Just do the task one or two times and then put that to one side and do as much of it as you can from memory. It's more challenging which helps retain the info better and tells you what you didn't retain which is just as important. The book goes over this and other effective techniques like deliberate practice which is what the guy in the vid did when he really focused on the second sculpt (the one from reference).

    A+ book. Would be nice if there was a book like this aimed specifically at artists but it does the job.

  • hiraethhiraeth SpaceRegistered User regular
    Thanks for that book recommendation I've been reading into it.

  • gavindelgavindel The reason all your software is brokenRegistered User regular
    Hmm, I wonder if I could make some nice page liners with a couple markers and a ruler?

    Art brain: "BUY THE 72 SET OF COPICS for $421.20 THERE ARE 72 OF THEM! No, not the 14 dollar basic pack on Amazon that probably work fine! There's not 72 of those!"

    Art brain. Art brain never changes.

    I've got a book! Angels, innovations, and the hubris of tiny things: Seraphim
    Grifter
  • danxdanx Registered User regular
    Oh you get that too? It wasn't markers but today I was like I need one thin blue pigma microns. Art brain is like you can buy 5 in a pack, get that just in case you need 5. I'll probably use one in a year.

    gavindel
  • gavindelgavindel The reason all your software is brokenRegistered User regular
    Of course. If I spend hundreds of dollars, my art will magically be good! Who needs practice when you can just buy perfection?

    I've got a book! Angels, innovations, and the hubris of tiny things: Seraphim
    danx
  • danxdanx Registered User regular
    Yeah I did that sort of when I bought a Cintiq over a year ago because I was gonna get serious. I did not get serious and kinda wish I'd went for the cheaper Intuos Pro or nothing at all.

    It really doesn't help the only work area in the house is also where I game, use the internet and sleep. The house is so small there's no where else to set up. The contextual cues of having a separate work and play environment are supposed to help a lot. I don't know how people working from home without an office do it. Must drive yous nuts.

  • Cpt KirkCpt Kirk Registered User new member
    Been lurking for a while. I notice so many of these threads on the first few pages were first created almost a decade ago! Incredible collections of work, but it's so sad to see the walls of broken links.

  • gavindelgavindel The reason all your software is brokenRegistered User regular
    Yeah, lots of stuff goes inactive. Not sure why my art links all broke. They seem to work on Discord fine. Here:

    20220120_205616-Copy-scaled.jpg

    Ah, technology.

    I've got a book! Angels, innovations, and the hubris of tiny things: Seraphim
  • danxdanx Registered User regular
    Just started holding pens and pencils slightly further back. It's easier to see what I'm drawing and get lines where they're meant to be but all the wobbles are back. So so many wobbles and jitters.

  • AgentflitAgentflit Registered User regular
    I miss forums.

    White Noise
  • DidgeridooDidgeridoo Registered User regular
    Aw, me too. As much as I love this little corner of the internet, it's just not active enough to really support a new or learning artist even though there's really great advice in the archives. I think the 'chat' or real time advice aspect has moved to Reddit for new artists mostly.

  • danxdanx Registered User regular
    edited August 5
    Didgeridoo wrote: »
    Aw, me too. As much as I love this little corner of the internet, it's just not active enough to really support a new or learning artist even though there's really great advice in the archives. I think the 'chat' or real time advice aspect has moved to Reddit for new artists mostly.

    Which Reddits? My experience of art education Reddit is it's mostly empty of advice. Not entirely just mostly. Seems like there's lots of people looking for advice but few who feel able to give it. Proko's site is basically the same as Reddit (or was, haven't been in a while) despite hosting paid content.

    The ArtWoD discord is alright but you have to pay for that. It isn't that big a community but it's okay and the program structure is good if you're someone like me who needs projects to work on but are terrible at making your own. The drawing program is heavily weighted towards spatial awareness and design. General art development it is not.

    Not sure about the painting part yet. It costs extra so I'm waiting until I'm more confident and have cash.

    danx on
  • DidgeridooDidgeridoo Registered User regular
    https://www.reddit.com/r/learntodraw/ seems nice! It's what you make of it I think. I like this one since it seems like people who are actually posting their stuff as they learn. It's not perfect, it's not polished, but it shows growth, y'know?

    danx
  • DidgeridooDidgeridoo Registered User regular
    Sorry for double post, but I think what I'm looking for mostly is less advice, and more a community of people 'going through it.' It takes a lot of failing to get good at something, and it's nice to have a group of people sharing both their triumphs and ah... not so triumphs. I think we all know what we 'should' do. Do drills, do studies, practice. But there's a dearth of people sharing what that looks like sometimes. Reddit's good for that, I find.

    danx
  • danxdanx Registered User regular
    Yeah that makes sense. That's one thing i like about ArtWoD. Everyone is going through similar things at different paces but you're all going through it together and there's no pressure. It's been nice to see others just sharing their stuff.

    I'm really uptight about sharing myself but seeing other peoples art journey is relaxing me... a bit.

    Didgeridoo
  • White NoiseWhite Noise Registered User regular
    Agentflit wrote: »
    I miss forums.

    If all else fails the SA forums are still up and kickin'

  • ContentContextContentContext Registered User regular
    Clip Studio Paint is leaning more heavily on their subscription model, starting next year, which is creating some backlash. As far as I can tell there won't be any functional difference between whatever the current version is at the end of the year and 2.0, but you won't be able to get any feature updates between 2.0 and 3.0 without a subscription. Also support for the current version will end when 3.0 hits(2.0 support ends with 4.0).

    The current version meets my current needs, and I'm not trying to add another subscription into my life, so I can hold off until a version comes out with useful new features. As long as I can buy a perpetual license and am not forced into subscribing, there shouldn't be a problem.

  • danxdanx Registered User regular
    edited October 5
    Kim Jung Gi died of a heart attack last night. :cry: He was 47. :open_mouth:



    It is with great sadness and a heavy heart that we inform you of the sudden passing of Kim Jung Gi. After finishing his last schedule in Europe, Jung Gi went to the airport to fly to New York, where he experienced chest pains and was taken to a nearby hospital for surgery, but sadly passed away.

    October 3, 2022

    After having done so much for us, you can now put down your brushes.

    Thank you Jung Gi.

    October 5, 2022

    Hyun Jin Kim

    danx on
  • gavindelgavindel The reason all your software is brokenRegistered User regular
    Karoshi?

    I've got a book! Angels, innovations, and the hubris of tiny things: Seraphim
  • danxdanx Registered User regular
    Maybe? Dude did work a lot but he had some underlying health issues which may have contributed and it does happen so who knows. I actually thought he was older than he was but turns out he's only 6 years older than me.

    He streamed signing of his latest book a month or two ago, every one signed with a different drawing. Dude had some mad skills.

    RIP

  • hiraethhiraeth SpaceRegistered User regular
    what the fuck D: we will miss you Kim you should have had another 47 of drawing

    danxContentContextYoshisummonsAngel_of_Bacon
  • danxdanx Registered User regular
    Is it me or are the G Tec C (eu version of the Hi Tec C) really poor quality pens? All of the ones I have on hand skip randomly and none of the 'fixes' seem to work. If it wasn't for the skipping they'd be great but they do it all the time. :(

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