if you're doing it right, not really. You should be defensive enough to not be oneshot, you're definitely not one-shotting them in the first round, so multiple turns will happen no matter what. Speed is a dump stat for most raid encounters.
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Had my first Charizard raid last night as I haven't had much time to play lately. Went in with a couple friends, one with Sandy Shocks, one with Umbreon, and me with Flutter Mane. Sandy Shocks is such a good support, being able to paralyze, lower special defense, and also being able to lower special attack. My Flutter Mane had Draining Kiss, but never needed to use it. Buffs, debuffs, and helping hand from Umbreon lead to one super dead, one-shot Charizard.
The resources spent to get Flutter Mane up were well worth it, got two Ability Patches that raid.
6 star raids cheat. This Staraptor took about 6 moves before I got in even one. Put up the shield before anyone hit it, and then blew us out of the cavern with a good 20 seconds left on the timer. I didn’t get off a single attack. Belly Drum… dead. Belly Drum… dead.
Slowly making my way through Scarlet. Current party is Floragato, Oinkologne, Clodsire, Maschiff, Spidops, and Nymble (with Spidops getting kicked-out when Nymble becomes Lokix; the former's design is just too weird for me to not play with for a while). I need to get a special attacker somewhere, but I'm restricting myself to new Pokémon.
I will say I wasn't expecting a decent chunk of my playtime to be devoted to mashing R while Paldean Wooper steamrolled the majority of Pokémon I came across effortlessly (lots of fairies around to poison).
You're not weaker if you join someone else's raid than you are as a host right?
I solo'd a 6-star Dark Annihilape easy peasy with my Iron Hands. Then I joined an online Ice Annihilape with the same Iron Hands and got absolutely destroyed by Close Combat. It was doing way more damage than it did in my solo raid
Looking at Annihilape, I guess it could have been Defiant and one of the other raiders ended up maxing its Attack by trying to Screech or something?
You're not weaker if you join someone else's raid than you are as a host right?
I solo'd a 6-star Dark Annihilape easy peasy with my Iron Hands. Then I joined an online Ice Annihilape with the same Iron Hands and got absolutely destroyed by Close Combat. It was doing way more damage than it did in my solo raid
Looking at Annihilape, I guess it could have been Defiant and one of the other raiders ended up maxing its Attack by trying to Screech or something?
It’s possible I’m not really sure tbh. I think though that the npc mons do a lot of support work and don’t count against the timer
Something I liked about the narrative (plot-spanning observation, but nonspecific):
Unlike most of the Pokemon games, here the Pokemon League (or its regional equivalent) isn't the center of the universe. Even when they didn't have a League (yet) in Sun and Moon, the eight-stage trials were a rite of passage, something you had to finish to be considered an actual adult. Here, the Pokemon League is still a massive cultural figure, but there's no assumption that just because you own a Pokemon and battle with them from time to time that you'll be involved with the league or make a try at the Gym Challenge. You're certainly welcome to, and our player character does as a matter of course since it's a mainline Pokemon game, but as far as the setting's concerned it's not Why We're All Here. It was a refreshing change of pace.
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edited December 2022
Tinkaton is a gen IX highlight for sure.
I really want a male version with more of a FF dwarf inspired look though.
Like 90% of it is just beard with lil eyes sticking out.
Man I HATED the first form of tinkaton. I caught one right at the start and immediately boxed like “this is literally the worst, the only good designs I’ve seen are based on the old Pokémon,” you know, my Pokémon boomer shit.
But then I saw someone have her final evo out in a raid and it changed everything. I was at a lvl point where I could skip straight to that final form and avoid the awkward stages, and she never left my party until I beat the game.
The ugly boy with a weird stick to hot girl with a giant hammer pipeline is real
Something I liked about the narrative (plot-spanning observation, but nonspecific):
Unlike most of the Pokemon games, here the Pokemon League (or its regional equivalent) isn't the center of the universe. Even when they didn't have a League (yet) in Sun and Moon, the eight-stage trials were a rite of passage, something you had to finish to be considered an actual adult. Here, the Pokemon League is still a massive cultural figure, but there's no assumption that just because you own a Pokemon and battle with them from time to time that you'll be involved with the league or make a try at the Gym Challenge. You're certainly welcome to, and our player character does as a matter of course since it's a mainline Pokemon game, but as far as the setting's concerned it's not Why We're All Here. It was a refreshing change of pace.
I also like that the Gym leaders aren't all doing the Gym leader thing as a full-time job. Katy runs a patisserie, Brassius is a sculptor, Iono's a streamer, Larry's implied to be an office worker, but it could just be that he runs double-shifts as gym leader and Elite Four member, Tulip's a fashionista, Kofu's a chef, and Ryme's a rapper. The only one of them who explicitly is using the gym as a full-time job is Grusha, and that's because an injury ended his snowboarding career. So if he could still be doing that as his career, he would. And I think that makes sense. Even in a world as Pokemon-fixated as this, I can't imagine that there's a steady-enough stream of challengers to be a gym leader full time every day, and it can't be paying that much money, unless there's a lot of sponsors and such.
One thing that I find amusing is how your gym challenges have little to do with the gym or battling itself, but rather is something related to the interests of the gym leader. You don't even get to find out what Kofu's usual test even is. Some guy outside the gym says the test is a real doozy, but you just get given "Give Kofu his wallet back!" as an impromptu test, which I find very amusing.
Also (endgame)
Even though you're required to do the gym challenge to activate the end-game, I feel like it probably wasn't necessary. Arven assumes Nemona will only give your mission the time of day if one of you is Champion-ranked. But Nemona is so fixated on you in the first place that I feel like she'd have come along anyway, if only to remove a distraction from the gym challenge lol.
So, I like the post-game tournament as an idea, and I like that you can repeat it. It reminds me a bit of B2W2's PWT, which I've been missing in each subsequent game. However, the first run didn't do any level-equalizing, and I have my doubts that reruns will do that. And that bugs me; I liked that the PWT would equalize levels and focus entirely on Battle Tower-style rules.
Yeah unfortunately there's no singleplayer level-equalized mode in this one like Battle Tower stuff. I presume one of the casualties of the game's release schedule.
That's a damn shame. I like the tournament idea, but this format means I need to remake my team or re-train a new generation of the same team to avoid outleveling literally every opponent.
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edited December 2022
So I beat it over the weekend That ending was great. Still a little shocked the story in this game is actually kinda good. Can this be the norm going forward? Legends Arceus was great too.
Huh, never pegged Turo for a robot. My guess was that he time traveled to the future, not died. But this works :P I'm curious to see how the story is different for Scarlet. Will have to watch a let's play. I assume it's mostly the same but Sada is obsessed with the past (the robot thing feels less on-point with her tho). Poor Arven man. Robot dad said some nice things to him.
I'm currently in the middle of doing the gym rematches. I outlevel everything by like 5-10 so it's been pretty easy.
Also got with a friend this weekend and we both traded for all the version exclusives so now I have all the Scarlet exclusives (minus a couple evos I need to do myself) including Koraidon. Woo! I missed out on Charizard but I should be ready when he comes back in a week or so. My Azumarill is up to 94 :P
Did my first 5* raid last night, Ice type Gyarados. Man, fuck this thing. It legit had me raging, it took so many tries. First off, it has Intimidate so there's an immediate attack drop. It also has water moves, flying moves, and dark moves, which pretty much counters all of my counters by one-shotting them (sometimes, it was very inconsistent). Eventual strategy ended up being bringing in Klawf, swords dance 3 times, Rock Slide for massive damage, pray he doesn't Aqua Tail one shot me (that is, knock his hp down too fast to use it, pray to RNGesus), confuse me (killed me so many times including times I would have won), and generally be an ass. I actually killed him once, then after his hp was at 0, he aqua tail one-shotted me and I lost to time. That pissed me off so much. The time I won I don't even know how because my cat was sitting in front of my health bar. Somehow I didn't die when he hit me with a ton of crunches and aqua tails *shrug* Maybe ignorance is bliss.
I assume future 5*s will go better once I don't have an Ice type that literally one-shot counters rock, fire, and fighting... (I didn't have a steel counter T_T)
Yeah I’ve run into some rough ones like annihilate and dragonite are pretty tough. Others are soloable. Idk. I think making sure your defense covers their base types is #1. Then making sure you have coverage that isn’t ineffective to their Tera for shield breaking. Even normal is fine once you terastalize.
My friend sent me a chart when I first started of like “here’s like 6 to focus on to start for general coverage” I’ll find it again and edit it into here if it helps
Raids have me tilted a lot actually. So many times my moves just don’t seem to happen, getting blown out early, wild pokemon cheating and using 4 moves in a row, sitting there for ten seconds unable to select anything, on and on.
And that’s before other players being idiots. Went to a six-star raid. 3 Perrserkers and a Azurrill. I’m the only one that cheered. Ever. Spoiler: we failed.
The part where the wild mon can interrupt your tera and kill you before your move goes off, wasting it... still the most bullshit part for me. Although Tatsugiri raids and their OHKO Counter are also stupid. At least they're fragile.
Oh yeah, raids with anything that knows Yawn, because you will rapidly hit everyone asleep. Over and over. (or something that can confuse) Torkoal was especially awful because it also spammed Clear Smog to reset stats.
I'm trying to level up a Sandy Shocks to use in raids. And I got a few questions.
1: what's a good moveset to use with this guy for coverage? After the Electric and Ground moves, I'm thinking Power Gem? To hit flying/electric types, and Grass types? Am I missing an important type combo there? THis guy doesn't exactly have the widest move pool, so I'm thinking it's either Rock, Steel, or Tera Blast for coverage.
2: Is Metal Sound enough damage support to carry with this guy? I think someone previously was talking about Sandy Shocks as a support guy in raids?
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Warlock82Never pet a burning dogRegistered Userregular
Yeah, the raid "real time" coding feels somewhat shoddy. I was noticing that last night as I banged my head against the wall on Gyarados. I had a leftovers on my mon and that seemed to really fuck with things for example. Any stat changes will tick down the time as you're forced to wait for the text, sometimes you'll lose access to menus while other shit is going on, etc (or they will not respond because some other event is happening at the moment and the game wants to wait). It's really dumb.
Metal Sound and Screech on Sandy Shocks are both great for lowering defenses. Add in thunder wave and another debuff for full support. For the Charizard raid, my friend had a lot of success with Thunder wave, Eerie Impulse, Metal Sound, and a filler move.
Interesting. The filler move would be, I assume, Thunder(bolt), Earth Power, Flash Cannon, or Power Gem, depending on the target. Which, considering how easy move-relearning is, you can easily swap your attacking move based on the target.
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Dr. ChaosPost nuclear nuisanceRegistered Userregular
Got family of three Maushold in a raid. Apparently pretty rare.
They ate the second kid that was supposed to be there.
So, the northeastern-most point of the map. It's pretty odd, isn't it? An extremely arbitrary cliff-wall that -raidon can't climb, and a segment of ocean that pushes you away, despite not even being at the extreme edge of the map. All of which blocks off a pretty odd blob of map space.
At the risk of thinking myself more clever than I am, I wouldn't be surprised if that chunk of the map got used in some capacity for DLC later on.
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Warlock82Never pet a burning dogRegistered Userregular
So, the northeastern-most point of the map. It's pretty odd, isn't it? An extremely arbitrary cliff-wall that -raidon can't climb, and a segment of ocean that pushes you away, despite not even being at the extreme edge of the map. All of which blocks off a pretty odd blob of map space.
At the risk of thinking myself more clever than I am, I wouldn't be surprised if that chunk of the map got used in some capacity for DLC later on.
I mean.. in the real world that's where France would be I like to think that that's Kalos in there (and yes, plz be DLC with Kalos)
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if you're doing it right, not really. You should be defensive enough to not be oneshot, you're definitely not one-shotting them in the first round, so multiple turns will happen no matter what. Speed is a dump stat for most raid encounters.
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The resources spent to get Flutter Mane up were well worth it, got two Ability Patches that raid.
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I will say I wasn't expecting a decent chunk of my playtime to be devoted to mashing R while Paldean Wooper steamrolled the majority of Pokémon I came across effortlessly (lots of fairies around to poison).
I solo'd a 6-star Dark Annihilape easy peasy with my Iron Hands. Then I joined an online Ice Annihilape with the same Iron Hands and got absolutely destroyed by Close Combat. It was doing way more damage than it did in my solo raid
Looking at Annihilape, I guess it could have been Defiant and one of the other raiders ended up maxing its Attack by trying to Screech or something?
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It’s possible I’m not really sure tbh. I think though that the npc mons do a lot of support work and don’t count against the timer
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I really want a male version with more of a FF dwarf inspired look though.
Like 90% of it is just beard with lil eyes sticking out.
Y'know... ground/fairy is something they haven't done yet. Call it Metrognome.
But then I saw someone have her final evo out in a raid and it changed everything. I was at a lvl point where I could skip straight to that final form and avoid the awkward stages, and she never left my party until I beat the game.
The ugly boy with a weird stick to hot girl with a giant hammer pipeline is real
Speaking of the bug gym...how about that Katy, huh?
Yeah the gym leaders this time have a lot of um appeal no matter your preferences
Teachers too.
One thing that I find amusing is how your gym challenges have little to do with the gym or battling itself, but rather is something related to the interests of the gym leader. You don't even get to find out what Kofu's usual test even is. Some guy outside the gym says the test is a real doozy, but you just get given "Give Kofu his wallet back!" as an impromptu test, which I find very amusing.
Also (endgame)
I'm currently in the middle of doing the gym rematches. I outlevel everything by like 5-10 so it's been pretty easy.
Also got with a friend this weekend and we both traded for all the version exclusives so now I have all the Scarlet exclusives (minus a couple evos I need to do myself) including Koraidon. Woo! I missed out on Charizard but I should be ready when he comes back in a week or so. My Azumarill is up to 94 :P
Did my first 5* raid last night, Ice type Gyarados. Man, fuck this thing. It legit had me raging, it took so many tries. First off, it has Intimidate so there's an immediate attack drop. It also has water moves, flying moves, and dark moves, which pretty much counters all of my counters by one-shotting them (sometimes, it was very inconsistent). Eventual strategy ended up being bringing in Klawf, swords dance 3 times, Rock Slide for massive damage, pray he doesn't Aqua Tail one shot me (that is, knock his hp down too fast to use it, pray to RNGesus), confuse me (killed me so many times including times I would have won), and generally be an ass. I actually killed him once, then after his hp was at 0, he aqua tail one-shotted me and I lost to time. That pissed me off so much. The time I won I don't even know how because my cat was sitting in front of my health bar. Somehow I didn't die when he hit me with a ton of crunches and aqua tails *shrug* Maybe ignorance is bliss.
I assume future 5*s will go better once I don't have an Ice type that literally one-shot counters rock, fire, and fighting... (I didn't have a steel counter T_T)
My friend sent me a chart when I first started of like “here’s like 6 to focus on to start for general coverage” I’ll find it again and edit it into here if it helps
And that’s before other players being idiots. Went to a six-star raid. 3 Perrserkers and a Azurrill. I’m the only one that cheered. Ever. Spoiler: we failed.
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Oh yeah, raids with anything that knows Yawn, because you will rapidly hit everyone asleep. Over and over. (or something that can confuse) Torkoal was especially awful because it also spammed Clear Smog to reset stats.
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1: what's a good moveset to use with this guy for coverage? After the Electric and Ground moves, I'm thinking Power Gem? To hit flying/electric types, and Grass types? Am I missing an important type combo there? THis guy doesn't exactly have the widest move pool, so I'm thinking it's either Rock, Steel, or Tera Blast for coverage.
2: Is Metal Sound enough damage support to carry with this guy? I think someone previously was talking about Sandy Shocks as a support guy in raids?
At the risk of thinking myself more clever than I am, I wouldn't be surprised if that chunk of the map got used in some capacity for DLC later on.
I mean.. in the real world that's where France would be
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