The stupid from House Republicans about how their job-shrinking (as scored by the CBO) bill is going to be good for the economy is making my brain leak out of my ears
The stupid from House Republicans about how their job-shrinking (as scored by the CBO) bill is going to be good for the economy is making my brain leak out of my ears
You're a braver man than me, I can't see their shit and not feel my blood pressure rising.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
The stupid from House Republicans about how their job-shrinking (as scored by the CBO) bill is going to be good for the economy is making my brain leak out of my ears
Technically this bill would avoid destroying 100% of the economy! By destroying only 10% of it, we save 90%, meaning that this bill increases the size of our economy by infinity times!
Whenever I listen to the Dems on the floor, I wonder "Why don't you go on TV and blast the same message you are saying on the floor over and over again?"
Like they do a good job of rhetoric and numbers. The mix of passion too. The moment they get onto a talk show or a press conference it is gone.
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MonwynApathy's a tragedy, and boredom is a crime.A little bit of everything, all of the time.Registered Userregular
Yeah I fear the money men would see losing money now would be beneficial if it gets them Trump again after the econ nukes.
This isn't "the economy does a belly-flop and we buy up cheap stocks and get the GOP in office," it's "all global trade comes to a screeching halt and every government has to bootstrap a solution immediately while also holding a frankly absurd amount of now-worthless paper"
A default would make the 2008 crash look like Tuesday
I'm having trouble thinking of something that would be more globally devastating (edit: economically) short of literal nukes going off
Yeah I fear the money men would see losing money now would be beneficial if it gets them Trump again after the econ nukes.
This isn't "the economy does a belly-flop and we buy up cheap stocks and get the GOP in office," it's "all global trade comes to a screeching halt and every government has to bootstrap a solution immediately while also holding a frankly absurd amount of now-worthless paper"
A default would make the 2008 crash look like Tuesday
I'm having trouble thinking of something that would be more globally devastating (edit: economically) short of literal nukes going off
So you're telling me there's a chance...
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Yeah I fear the money men would see losing money now would be beneficial if it gets them Trump again after the econ nukes.
This isn't "the economy does a belly-flop and we buy up cheap stocks and get the GOP in office," it's "all global trade comes to a screeching halt and every government has to bootstrap a solution immediately while also holding a frankly absurd amount of now-worthless paper"
A default would make the 2008 crash look like Tuesday
I'm having trouble thinking of something that would be more globally devastating (edit: economically) short of literal nukes going off
I feel in a situation like this Biden tells the treasury to ignore the debt limit. And let a judge who’s net worth is in the stock market put an injunction on that.
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MonwynApathy's a tragedy, and boredom is a crime.A little bit of everything, all of the time.Registered Userregular
Yeah I fear the money men would see losing money now would be beneficial if it gets them Trump again after the econ nukes.
This isn't "the economy does a belly-flop and we buy up cheap stocks and get the GOP in office," it's "all global trade comes to a screeching halt and every government has to bootstrap a solution immediately while also holding a frankly absurd amount of now-worthless paper"
A default would make the 2008 crash look like Tuesday
I'm having trouble thinking of something that would be more globally devastating (edit: economically) short of literal nukes going off
So you're telling me there's a chance...
Not kidding, in the aftermath nukes probably go off
It does seem to me that the media has wised up at least a bit about the hostage taking, and McCarthy's inability to even get Republicans fully behind the lunatic plan certainly isn't doing him any favors. At least from what I'm seeing, McCarthy's having a very difficult time with his cries of this ackshally being Biden's fault getting any traction at all, even in the conservative sphere.
It's absurd. Republicans have a 5 seat majority in one chamber and want to use it to take a hostage and pass a MAGA wishlist they clearly don't have a mandate for. The country is getting closer and closer to the brink of disaster because one man's desperate ego longs for a meaningless Speakership.
I would say this is idiotic if Republicans had a solid majority in both the House and Senate. At that point you just pass the budget you want anyway. The only reason we're here is because Republicans can't win the votes they need to do the things they want, so dirty tricks are all they have. The Republican Party is not a serious governing body and the only rational response to their continued antics is to put them in the stocks and throw rotten vegetables.
Yeah I fear the money men would see losing money now would be beneficial if it gets them Trump again after the econ nukes.
This isn't "the economy does a belly-flop and we buy up cheap stocks and get the GOP in office," it's "all global trade comes to a screeching halt and every government has to bootstrap a solution immediately while also holding a frankly absurd amount of now-worthless paper"
A default would make the 2008 crash look like Tuesday
I'm having trouble thinking of something that would be more globally devastating (edit: economically) short of literal nukes going off
Maybe you need to work on strengthening your imagination. I can think of all sorts of things!
Meteor strike!
Alien attack!
Yellowstone Caldera!
Deccan Traps!
Gamma Ray Burst!
Rogue Black Hole!
Kessler Syndrom!
Etc.
Whenever I listen to the Dems on the floor, I wonder "Why don't you go on TV and blast the same message you are saying on the floor over and over again?"
Like they do a good job of rhetoric and numbers. The mix of passion too. The moment they get onto a talk show or a press conference it is gone.
Often they don't get to choose the soundbite used by MSNBC or CNN or Headline news. That's left up to editors, producers, and execs running the shows, not the people doing the talking.
The Sunday DC shows are all owned by conservative billionaires and their networks, so inviting the Dems doesn't even enter the equation.
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Put this in Republicans' favorite metaphor: a household budget. It's fuckin' stupid but what the fuck.
This isn't arguing that we should cut the $800/mo. we are spending on candles because our family is dying. This is the wife trying to pay the water, electric, mortgage bills -- late! -- and the husband saying "fuck you, I don't pay bills".
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Put this in Republicans' favorite metaphor: a household budget. It's fuckin' stupid but what the fuck.
This isn't arguing that we should cut the $800/mo. we are spending on candles because our family is dying. This is the wife trying to pay the water, electric, mortgage bills -- late! -- and the husband saying "fuck you, I don't pay bills".
We need to sign a contract guaranteeing no organic vegetables two years from now before we can agree to pay the electrical bill due this month.
Put this in Republicans' favorite metaphor: a household budget. It's fuckin' stupid but what the fuck.
This isn't arguing that we should cut the $800/mo. we are spending on candles because our family is dying. This is the wife trying to pay the water, electric, mortgage bills -- late! -- and the husband saying "fuck you, I don't pay bills".
Because he's really mad at how (he imagines) the butcher looks at her, and vice versa, and thinks that completely destroying the family's finances and reputation in the community is how to Teach Her A Lesson.
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MonwynApathy's a tragedy, and boredom is a crime.A little bit of everything, all of the time.Registered Userregular
Yeah I fear the money men would see losing money now would be beneficial if it gets them Trump again after the econ nukes.
This isn't "the economy does a belly-flop and we buy up cheap stocks and get the GOP in office," it's "all global trade comes to a screeching halt and every government has to bootstrap a solution immediately while also holding a frankly absurd amount of now-worthless paper"
A default would make the 2008 crash look like Tuesday
I'm having trouble thinking of something that would be more globally devastating (edit: economically) short of literal nukes going off
Maybe you need to work on strengthening your imagination. I can think of all sorts of things!
Meteor strike!
Alien attack!
Yellowstone Caldera!
Deccan Traps!
Gamma Ray Burst!
Rogue Black Hole!
Kessler Syndrom!
Etc.
I was going to mention Bush Sr but looking it up I see his hand was forced by Dems who controlled the House and Senate to actually be fiscally responsible.
I was going to mention Bush Sr but looking it up I see his hand was forced by Dems who controlled the House and Senate to actually be fiscally responsible.
Yes and no, he also knew that Reaganomics was hoodoo. I like to joke that the fire station at DCA should be named after Bush the Greater
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
I'm looking forward to this going as well as McCarthy's first Speakership bid and destroying any leverage he can pretend to have.
I'd feel better about this if a bunch of GOP's weren't already campaigning on "Biden crashed the economy and destroyed the dollar!" They might be planning to shoot the hostage just to cause chaos and hoping people blame Dems for it.
All it takes is every Democrat and 5 GOP Leadership to pass a clean bill. If this was a government shutdown, forget it, but this is asking whether or not dollars should be able to purchase goods and services. And folks with billions of dollars generally like them being worth something.
I would agree, and felt that the self interest of the greedy has always been a solid backstop to "Blow it up! Blow it all up to hurt the poors!" in the past, but, I worry that our new generation of greedy people is stupider than the previous ones.
I fear that the people those money men elected are definitely stupider and crazier then the previous ones. The Conservative movement is continually empowering people crazier then them and then realising those crazier people are now running the show. We're multiple inmates deep when it comes to who is running this asylum.
At this point business and finance people going "Hey guys, stop trying to destroy the economy" are talking into a hurricane.
I swear to God there are always two Dems that go missing and it's infuriating
To be fair, the odds of some sort if medical emergency or whatever with 200 people are not exactly low.
It's one reason why these margins are so stupid
The two NVs were Watson-Coleman who had to leave DC for a family medical emergency, and Peters who I can't find anything about, but has apparently been out for the last week. Republicans did away with remote voting. They're party-line Dems.
the really stupid part is like... you've got the house majority. If you want this showdown you could just do it during the regular budget process. McCarthy et al are essentially threatening to shoot the hostage to preserve their ability to take hostages in the future
it was the smallest on the list but
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
the really stupid part is like... you've got the house majority. If you want this showdown you could just do it during the regular budget process. McCarthy et al are essentially threatening to shoot the hostage to preserve their ability to take hostages in the future
Because they can't pass their agenda without the leverage of this stupid bullshit. Everyone hates it.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
the really stupid part is like... you've got the house majority. If you want this showdown you could just do it during the regular budget process. McCarthy et al are essentially threatening to shoot the hostage to preserve their ability to take hostages in the future
Because they can't pass their agenda without the leverage of this stupid bullshit. Everyone hates it.
Even when they had both Chambers, the Presidency, and the Court all they could really manage to pass was tax cuts for the rich that they wrote in chicken scratch in the margins because they're incompetent.
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Let them shoot the hostage. Ignore them and keep going. Honestly let SCOTUS rule on it.
Because unfortunately if we think it’s important the GOP will constantly threaten to destroy it to get something. That’s what they do. I think Biden should stonewall. Literally not engage. And the Senate don’t even bring this bill up for debate. Simply stonewall. No response no “getting them on the record.”
Just nothing.
Anything before the 11th hour is pointless anyways.
"We don't negotiate on the debt ceiling" has so far been the White House and the Democratic party official position afaik.
The problem is there's a few folks like fucking Manchin who are negotiate with terrorists curious.
True, but Schumer doesn’t even need to bring it to a vote.
We saw that enough from Mitch. Just give that bill a, oh cute and let it sit.
What did you think was going to happen?
At worst he hollows it out and replaced it with a clean lift but keeps the name and number.
Honestly I didn’t know what was going to happen. I still don’t. This isn’t the worst congress from a historic standpoint, but they have weak leadership and are acting erratic.
"We don't negotiate on the debt ceiling" has so far been the White House and the Democratic party official position afaik.
The problem is there's a few folks like fucking Manchin who are negotiate with terrorists curious.
It's been talked about before, a little bit, but can Biden just order the Treasury to keep paying the bills, regardless of what Congress wants to do? I'm sort of expecting him to do that, and dare the GOP to sue him for it.
The debt limit is a stupid artificial thing anyway.
The problem is that uncertainty will still be there until something is ruled definitively. Which the supreme court could work out with something like an emergency decision but Biden couldn’t do by himself.
Its like if I’m paying the rent and send them a check with a note “please don’t cash until the due date, my wife and I are arguing whether to put money in the bank or not, she thinks we spend to much and should pay down our credit card instead of paying the rent, but hopefully the money will be there”.
For it to work Biden would have to order the treasury to pay debts, the republicans would need to sue, it would need to be ruled on and definitely decided, the supreme court would have to take the appeal and make a definite decision in pretty much a matter of days. Because otherwise the debt incurred in the time between the order being given and the supreme court ruling is like that rent check, it’s “maybe money”.
"We don't negotiate on the debt ceiling" has so far been the White House and the Democratic party official position afaik.
The problem is there's a few folks like fucking Manchin who are negotiate with terrorists curious.
It's been talked about before, a little bit, but can Biden just order the Treasury to keep paying the bills, regardless of what Congress wants to do? I'm sort of expecting him to do that, and dare the GOP to sue him for it.
The debt limit is a stupid artificial thing anyway.
I think what is most likely is Biden just orders the Treasury to keep paying the bills, citing the 14th, the previous passed budget, and likely a bunch of other legal inside baseball and precedents.
The House will shop for a judge that will issue an injunction and the White House will have a judge rule in favor of the White House and not nuking the global economy.
Since it's split courts it'll go to SCOTUS who will do something akin to what they did in the Mifepristone case and punt it.
If the ceiling isn't raised and it goes to Court we already nuked the global economy. Even if everyone agrees that we will still keep paying out in money that continues to be worth 100¢ on the $1 it would still constitute a technical default and risk premium that just never existed.
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You're a braver man than me, I can't see their shit and not feel my blood pressure rising.
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Technically this bill would avoid destroying 100% of the economy! By destroying only 10% of it, we save 90%, meaning that this bill increases the size of our economy by infinity times!
Like they do a good job of rhetoric and numbers. The mix of passion too. The moment they get onto a talk show or a press conference it is gone.
This isn't "the economy does a belly-flop and we buy up cheap stocks and get the GOP in office," it's "all global trade comes to a screeching halt and every government has to bootstrap a solution immediately while also holding a frankly absurd amount of now-worthless paper"
A default would make the 2008 crash look like Tuesday
I'm having trouble thinking of something that would be more globally devastating (edit: economically) short of literal nukes going off
So you're telling me there's a chance...
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Not kidding, in the aftermath nukes probably go off
So, like
Maybe, but not for long
I would say this is idiotic if Republicans had a solid majority in both the House and Senate. At that point you just pass the budget you want anyway. The only reason we're here is because Republicans can't win the votes they need to do the things they want, so dirty tricks are all they have. The Republican Party is not a serious governing body and the only rational response to their continued antics is to put them in the stocks and throw rotten vegetables.
*cut to the Swivel-Eyed Loon Caucus eagerly lining up at, and getting in fights over who gets to press, The Button*
Maybe you need to work on strengthening your imagination. I can think of all sorts of things!
Meteor strike!
Alien attack!
Yellowstone Caldera!
Deccan Traps!
Gamma Ray Burst!
Rogue Black Hole!
Kessler Syndrom!
Etc.
Often they don't get to choose the soundbite used by MSNBC or CNN or Headline news. That's left up to editors, producers, and execs running the shows, not the people doing the talking.
The Sunday DC shows are all owned by conservative billionaires and their networks, so inviting the Dems doesn't even enter the equation.
This isn't arguing that we should cut the $800/mo. we are spending on candles because our family is dying. This is the wife trying to pay the water, electric, mortgage bills -- late! -- and the husband saying "fuck you, I don't pay bills".
We need to sign a contract guaranteeing no organic vegetables two years from now before we can agree to pay the electrical bill due this month.
Because he's really mad at how (he imagines) the butcher looks at her, and vice versa, and thinks that completely destroying the family's finances and reputation in the community is how to Teach Her A Lesson.
I mean most of those are worse than nukes
I'll grant you Kessler Syndrome
It's a fuckin' myth! Republicans have out-spended Democrats since I have been on this terrible rotating ball
1 Republican not voting and 2 Democrats
Yes and no, he also knew that Reaganomics was hoodoo. I like to joke that the fire station at DCA should be named after Bush the Greater
To be fair, the odds of some sort if medical emergency or whatever with 200 people are not exactly low.
It's one reason why these margins are so stupid
I fear that the people those money men elected are definitely stupider and crazier then the previous ones. The Conservative movement is continually empowering people crazier then them and then realising those crazier people are now running the show. We're multiple inmates deep when it comes to who is running this asylum.
At this point business and finance people going "Hey guys, stop trying to destroy the economy" are talking into a hurricane.
The two NVs were Watson-Coleman who had to leave DC for a family medical emergency, and Peters who I can't find anything about, but has apparently been out for the last week. Republicans did away with remote voting. They're party-line Dems.
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
Because they can't pass their agenda without the leverage of this stupid bullshit. Everyone hates it.
Even when they had both Chambers, the Presidency, and the Court all they could really manage to pass was tax cuts for the rich that they wrote in chicken scratch in the margins because they're incompetent.
Because unfortunately if we think it’s important the GOP will constantly threaten to destroy it to get something. That’s what they do. I think Biden should stonewall. Literally not engage. And the Senate don’t even bring this bill up for debate. Simply stonewall. No response no “getting them on the record.”
Just nothing.
Anything before the 11th hour is pointless anyways.
The problem is there's a few folks like fucking Manchin who are negotiate with terrorists curious.
We saw that enough from Mitch. Just give that bill a, oh cute and let it sit.
What did you think was going to happen?
At worst he hollows it out and replaced it with a clean lift but keeps the name and number.
Honestly I didn’t know what was going to happen. I still don’t. This isn’t the worst congress from a historic standpoint, but they have weak leadership and are acting erratic.
It's been talked about before, a little bit, but can Biden just order the Treasury to keep paying the bills, regardless of what Congress wants to do? I'm sort of expecting him to do that, and dare the GOP to sue him for it.
The debt limit is a stupid artificial thing anyway.
Its like if I’m paying the rent and send them a check with a note “please don’t cash until the due date, my wife and I are arguing whether to put money in the bank or not, she thinks we spend to much and should pay down our credit card instead of paying the rent, but hopefully the money will be there”.
For it to work Biden would have to order the treasury to pay debts, the republicans would need to sue, it would need to be ruled on and definitely decided, the supreme court would have to take the appeal and make a definite decision in pretty much a matter of days. Because otherwise the debt incurred in the time between the order being given and the supreme court ruling is like that rent check, it’s “maybe money”.
I think what is most likely is Biden just orders the Treasury to keep paying the bills, citing the 14th, the previous passed budget, and likely a bunch of other legal inside baseball and precedents.
The House will shop for a judge that will issue an injunction and the White House will have a judge rule in favor of the White House and not nuking the global economy.
Since it's split courts it'll go to SCOTUS who will do something akin to what they did in the Mifepristone case and punt it.