yes, although Brian's defense was pretty funny. A villager who wants to live that badly is always suspicious, if you are a vanilla you shouldn't be fighting that hard to live.
Of course you should passively accept it, but it was amusing "I just wanna live"
i mean this in a non mean way, brian. I know its kinda berating, but I'm sure you'll be kicking ass in no time. You did get half the people not to vote for you (so i guess it worked for them)
yes, although Brian's defense was pretty funny. A villager who wants to live that badly is always suspicious, if you are a vanilla you shouldn't be fighting that hard to live.
Of course you should passively accept it, but it was amusing "I just wanna live"
i mean this in a non mean way, brian. I know its kinda berating, but I'm sure you'll be kicking ass in no time. You did get half the people not to vote for you (so i guess it worked for them)
Except all the role pms said if you died you lost. A villager in this game had just as much reason to do anything to avoid the bandwagon as did the bad guys.
It felt too powerful for the village to have two aligned vigs in such a small phalla, so I was guessing the Judge had some sort of lone wolf thing going on. Guess I was wrong there. Sorry, thorgot!
I loved watching this phalla but I don't think it was balanced at all. The only advantage that the bad guys had over the good were they were networked, they were out killed (3 to 1), heavily outnumbered by specials (2 seers? Really?) and rather light in percentage of the population as well. This is ignoring Johanna which would essentially end the game if she was seered by Mrs Lovett.
Johanna would've seered as a plain villager if seered by the mafia, but it never had a chance to come into play anyway. It was mostly a safeguard to protect her from being revealed as a special.
I was hoping crossfire would eventually give the mafia the upper hand.
It would've taken a lot of good luck, but if Vertroue had completely survived Day 5 and Darian had hit a third victim, she could've won.
yes, although Brian's defense was pretty funny. A villager who wants to live that badly is always suspicious, if you are a vanilla you shouldn't be fighting that hard to live.
Of course you should passively accept it, but it was amusing "I just wanna live"
i mean this in a non mean way, brian. I know its kinda berating, but I'm sure you'll be kicking ass in no time. You did get half the people not to vote for you (so i guess it worked for them)
Except all the role pms said if you died you lost. A villager in this game had just as much reason to do anything to avoid the bandwagon as did the bad guys.
Ah good point, maybe it was just a personal thing that I wasn't that enthusiastic as a villager
Johanna would've seered as a plain villager if seered by the mafia, but it never had a chance to come into play anyway. It was mostly a safeguard to protect her from being revealed as a special.
I was hoping crossfire would eventually give the mafia the upper hand.
It would've taken a lot of good luck, but if Vertroue had completely survived Day 5 and Darian had hit a third victim, she could've won.
I tend to aim for the bar to be a bit above "not a mathematical impossibility to win"...
I'd really be shocked if you could run a game with 2 seers and 2 vigilantes and a 15% bad guy ratio and have the bad guys win more than 5% of the time. I'm too lazy to run the math but that's effectively 5 people "cleared" each day and the bad guys can't even cancel out the seers progress in building a network.
People had fun so it doesn't really matter but it would suck to be a bad guy in a game like this where your only hope of winning has nothing to do with your play and everything to do with out people fucking up spectacularly.
thorgotthere is special providencein the fall of a sparrowRegistered Userregular
edited December 2008
I wasn't quite spectacular enough.
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
edited December 2008
Well, I guess the primary flaw here was that I let the source material dictate the mechanics a little much.
I couldn't think of any reason for there to be more than three in the mafia, and I didn't want to add in a second faction(though Turpin and Beadle were almost that, and I briefly considered having Toby as a mole in a 'Pirelli' faction, which probably would've been even more broken), so I wound up using lots of individual specials instead.
It probably also helped that most of the seer actions were either aimed at the dead, or not sent in at all.
Same with vigilantes. Lots of double targeting and inactivity there too.
Yeah, I can completely sympathize with your plight CJ. I have to say that you definitely succeeding in a game that nailed the theme. After I read the narrations I usually had songs running through my head.
Element BrianPeanut Butter ShillRegistered Userregular
edited December 2008
eh, I did what I could, people seemed determined on taking me out from the get go and it was all I could do to try and shift the blame for as long as possible
Also, this was intended as a super-short Christmas mini, so having the network and deaths advance that quickly makes some more sense.
I think either Pirelli or the Judge should have had their own win conditions, though; Pirelli would exit the game as soon as Sweeney dies, for instance, or the Judge could have been a lone wolf, needing to outlive all other specials (but not villagers; he's happy to rule over them with an iron hand).
i mean this in a non mean way, brian. I know its kinda berating, but I'm sure you'll be kicking ass in no time. You did get half the people not to vote for you (so i guess it worked for them)
Haha, actually it was thorgot who got people to not vote for him.
eh, I did what I could, people seemed determined on taking me out from the get go and it was all I could do to try and shift the blame for as long as possible
I think the lesson is when people mis-spell your name, don't correct them. Its like a curse..
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yes, although Brian's defense was pretty funny. A villager who wants to live that badly is always suspicious, if you are a vanilla you shouldn't be fighting that hard to live.
Of course you should passively accept it, but it was amusing "I just wanna live"
Except all the role pms said if you died you lost. A villager in this game had just as much reason to do anything to avoid the bandwagon as did the bad guys.
Johanna would've seered as a plain villager if seered by the mafia, but it never had a chance to come into play anyway. It was mostly a safeguard to protect her from being revealed as a special.
I was hoping crossfire would eventually give the mafia the upper hand.
It would've taken a lot of good luck, but if Vertroue had completely survived Day 5 and Darian had hit a third victim, she could've won.
Ah good point, maybe it was just a personal thing that I wasn't that enthusiastic as a villager
I'd really be shocked if you could run a game with 2 seers and 2 vigilantes and a 15% bad guy ratio and have the bad guys win more than 5% of the time. I'm too lazy to run the math but that's effectively 5 people "cleared" each day and the bad guys can't even cancel out the seers progress in building a network.
People had fun so it doesn't really matter but it would suck to be a bad guy in a game like this where your only hope of winning has nothing to do with your play and everything to do with out people fucking up spectacularly.
I couldn't think of any reason for there to be more than three in the mafia, and I didn't want to add in a second faction(though Turpin and Beadle were almost that, and I briefly considered having Toby as a mole in a 'Pirelli' faction, which probably would've been even more broken), so I wound up using lots of individual specials instead.
It probably also helped that most of the seer actions were either aimed at the dead, or not sent in at all.
Same with vigilantes. Lots of double targeting and inactivity there too.
In fact, spreadsheet.
Should be unlocked.
Arch,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_goGR39m2k
I think either Pirelli or the Judge should have had their own win conditions, though; Pirelli would exit the game as soon as Sweeney dies, for instance, or the Judge could have been a lone wolf, needing to outlive all other specials (but not villagers; he's happy to rule over them with an iron hand).
Haha, actually it was thorgot who got people to not vote for him.
And also why did you hush up when I was asking what the other seer said their role name was?
and you smell
p.s. no hard feelings
But he did.
And for that, he survived one night longer than the others wanted.
So yeah. I played a role! woooo
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I think the lesson is when people mis-spell your name, don't correct them. Its like a curse..
But I had already told you my role and you were using your power to kill obbi that turn anyway which would reveal that role so ...