It just kinda sounds like Arrow is a bad show and very few of you people watching it actually enjoy it anymore
Every week people flip out over Flash and have nothing but grumbling about Arrow
That's definitely how it is for me
This season was very promising what with the seeming influence from Flash in regards to it being more superheroic and Ollie officially becoming Green Arrow but that went away very quickly and it is the same forced bullshit drama that sank Season 3
And it sounds like it's better at being a bad show!
They're at least doing outlandish crazy shit, Arrow sounds like a dreary soap opera where any minute Stephen Amell will re-enter the show wearing an eyepatch saying he's Oliver Queen's long lost evil twin
Season 3 of Arrow started out quite good I thought!
season 3 started by fridging one of the most popular characters on the show!
Its kinda weird because I feel like I should like her, but in reality I just don't find Caity Lotz's character even remotely interesting in either show.
Season 3 of Arrow started out quite good I thought!
season 3 started by fridging one of the most popular characters on the show!
Its kinda weird because I feel like I should like her, but in reality I just don't find Caity Lotz's character even remotely interesting in either show.
i personally agree, but a big section of the fanbase really likes her and was pissed when she was killed off, which is part of why they brought her back
Can we not refer to the death of any female character for any ole reason as fridging
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"But it happened solely to add drama and motiva-..."
Yes this is why all shocking deaths happen in all fiction ever. It's why Obi Wan dies.
Fridging is a highly specific, sexist as fuck trope
It's a thing, it happens
Genericizing the term obfuscates when it actually takes place and why it's a problem
i agree
which is why i'm using it in the correct context in this instance
It isn't though
While killing Sara definitely was a ploy to fuck with Ollie by Malcolm, it was also blackmail he used to get closer to Thea and try to further corrupt her
Can we not refer to the death of any female character for any ole reason as fridging
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"But it happened solely to add drama and motiva-..."
Yes this is why all shocking deaths happen in all fiction ever. It's why Obi Wan dies.
Fridging is a highly specific, sexist as fuck trope
It's a thing, it happens
Genericizing the term obfuscates when it actually takes place and why it's a problem
i agree
which is why i'm using it in the correct context in this instance
It isn't though
While killing Sara definitely was a ploy to fuck with Ollie by Malcolm, it was also blackmail he used to get closer to Thea and try to further corrupt her
It wasn't a fridging
Also, from a writing perspective, the character it most motivated and emotionally changed was Laurel
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I still mostly enjoy Arrow, except when they get too mired in gloominess or relationship drama. I also still very much enjoy The Flash, which some people are definitely down on this season. Legends is...not great overall, but I think it has a lot of potential to grow and has already shown the ability to improve.
It's not quite the same kind of superhero show, but my favorite comic book show right now is almost certainly Agents of Shield. The last episode was fantastic.
RE: this episode of Arrow
Laurel is honestly not one of the people I really expected to be the big death. At least until some big-ass death anvils started falling for her this episode. I think they might have gone a bit heavy on the Imminent Death Sentimentality.
But I think I'm having trouble processing the impact. From couple of interviews I've read it certainly sounds permanent, though KC may still pop up in some other capacity. But there's also just something so fishy about cutting away before she tells Ollie something important and then cutting back as she starts seizing. I get that it could just be a meaningful conversation that they'll flashback to later, but the speculation of a fakeout is definitely out there. So I guess I'm just not 100% trusting of what's going on.
I enjoy it enough, but the melodrama has gotten really hammy over the past two seasons.
The action does nothing for me anymore, though. The choreography has become way too predictable and boring. Team arrow basically survives at this point on the virtue of everyone else being completely incapable of hurting them, ever, except when it helps advance the plot in some way.
Arrow usually only gets really fun when they crossover with Flash.
I feel like Arrow hasn't done a good job of making me care about the villains all that much, and without that it feels like half a show. Slade was great, because we had a really solid motivation and understanding of him before he was revealed as the major villain. Reverse Flash was good for the same reason, we had a really good buildup of the villain and had him fleshed out before his actual plan reveal was necessary. Ra's and Darhk just don't seem that well fleshed out and it's a pain to sit through most of the season before we get any kind of motive for the main villain and that leaves the heroes with very little payoff for countering them. This is why villains tend to upstage the heroes in media. Because the narrative payoff that heroes get from opposing a great villain with solid motives is more than the hero gets from just being a guy in a suit who fights crime just because it's against the law. Arrow, and to an extent Flash, just seem to be flagging on great villains.
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I'm not sure about the "general" audience, but the D&D thread is definitely less positive about Flash this season. I still really enjoy it though I do think they've made some mistakes.
Barry and Patty
WERE super adorable, and I really liked Patty, but then they killed the relationship with bullshit secret drama and Barry being a big dumb dummy. I really want her to come back sooner rather than later.
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Also having the big bad for the second time in a row be a speedster mentor betraying the group is...not ideal. I feel like there must be more going on there based on what we've seen because it doesn't make sense otherwise, so I'm trying not to judge it until we seemingly get some answers in the next episode. Still though.
They're really playing up the "Things have been leading to this for YEARS" angle I'd like to pretend it's a subtle jab at DC.
They kinda have. I didn't realize until the previous recap how on the nose it is that the first thing Tony says when he gets back is "I've become apart of a system that is comfortable with zero accountability".
I was all excited for this but then I read Remender saying the lead character is a dying knight and the core theme of the book is moral compromise and God dammit Rick can you write anything that isn't horribly depressing
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I saw a picture of her from 2006... She looks like a teenager!
Keanu Reeves has some immortal competition!
This season was very promising what with the seeming influence from Flash in regards to it being more superheroic and Ollie officially becoming Green Arrow but that went away very quickly and it is the same forced bullshit drama that sank Season 3
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season 3 started by fridging one of the most popular characters on the show!
And it sounds like it's better at being a bad show!
They're at least doing outlandish crazy shit, Arrow sounds like a dreary soap opera where any minute Stephen Amell will re-enter the show wearing an eyepatch saying he's Oliver Queen's long lost evil twin
Still not gonna call it great but it is better than Arrow currently is
Season two was the high point for that stuff, with Slade?
Shit was strong then
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"But it happened solely to add drama and motiva-..."
Yes this is why all shocking deaths happen in all fiction ever. It's why Obi Wan dies.
Fridging is a highly specific, sexist as fuck trope
It's a thing, it happens
Genericizing the term obfuscates when it actually takes place and why it's a problem
I blame it on the Teen Titans cartoon exclusively calling him Slade
Its kinda weird because I feel like I should like her, but in reality I just don't find Caity Lotz's character even remotely interesting in either show.
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Definitely in the Top 10 of supervillain adaptations
Maybe even Top 5
i agree
which is why i'm using it in the correct context in this instance
i personally agree, but a big section of the fanbase really likes her and was pissed when she was killed off, which is part of why they brought her back
While killing Sara definitely was a ploy to fuck with Ollie by Malcolm, it was also blackmail he used to get closer to Thea and try to further corrupt her
It wasn't a fridging
Also, from a writing perspective, the character it most motivated and emotionally changed was Laurel
Traditionally, by leaving the body somewhere for them to find?
It's not quite the same kind of superhero show, but my favorite comic book show right now is almost certainly Agents of Shield. The last episode was fantastic.
RE: this episode of Arrow
But I think I'm having trouble processing the impact. From couple of interviews I've read it certainly sounds permanent, though KC may still pop up in some other capacity. But there's also just something so fishy about cutting away before she tells Ollie something important and then cutting back as she starts seizing. I get that it could just be a meaningful conversation that they'll flashback to later, but the speculation of a fakeout is definitely out there. So I guess I'm just not 100% trusting of what's going on.
This season has been awesome!
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The action does nothing for me anymore, though. The choreography has become way too predictable and boring. Team arrow basically survives at this point on the virtue of everyone else being completely incapable of hurting them, ever, except when it helps advance the plot in some way.
Arrow usually only gets really fun when they crossover with Flash.
I should just watch Seasons 1 and 2 over and over again.
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Barry and Patty
They're really playing up the "Things have been leading to this for YEARS" angle I'd like to pretend it's a subtle jab at DC.
That's because she's a Vulcan.
They kinda have. I didn't realize until the previous recap how on the nose it is that the first thing Tony says when he gets back is "I've become apart of a system that is comfortable with zero accountability".
No he cannot.