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Eee PC: anyone have one?

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  • MunacraMunacra Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Ok, I opened it.

    First off, it is amazing how small it is. It is literally the size of a hardcover book. And probably lighter. The keyboard is small, and it takes a bit of writing to get used to, but I can touchtype without many problems now. Yeah, I wouldn't write a long essay on it or anythting, but it's good for taking notes. The screen is crisp and clear. I think if Asus got rid of the speakers next to it and simply let you put in headphones, the screen could be sexier. As it is right now, it is perfectly serviceable. The touchpad is a little finicky, but once you get used to it, it is no problem

    Most of the issues here are part of having such a small computer, and once you get a little bit of practice, they are no problem.

    The little webcam is a nice touch, but here is the cool part. It's got voice command for applications. If you say "Computer-dictionary" it opens that for you. Talk about sweet.

    The computer is a bit slow sometimes with those 512 megs of memory and when you have too many open applications. I feel that an upgrade of memory will easily fix that. In any case, I'll report on that later when I do the upgrade.

    I'm going to take it to class today, and see how it performs. I'll also upgrade the memory and ram tomorrow, and see how that feels. As well as installing XP.

    But right out of the box, this thing is perfect.

  • MunacraMunacra Registered User
    edited February 2008
    and this thing is quiet. As doronron said, the keys are much louder.

  • DoronronDoronron Registered User
    edited February 2008
    I have noticed that mine runs pretty warm to the touch, but from research I've done, I think it's a combination of WiFi, Camera, SD Card, and an external DVD drive all running under WinXP (this is apparently not an issue under the stock OS). I'm planning on installing some patches this afternoon which should resolve this issue.

    WinXP SP2, priority patches, and all Asus drivers installed comes in at around 800MB on the 4GB drive. I might not need the SD Card full time as a secondary data dump.

    Note: Munacra, my understanding is that without a kernal rebuild, the Xandros OS the eee ships with will not rcognize a full 2GB stick of RAM.

    Oh, hey -- W40K Dawn of War on an EEE PC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfSla-dLebs&feature=related

    EDIT 2: I do have sound on this thing, by the way.

  • MunacraMunacra Registered User
    edited February 2008
    I took it to class all day and it was great.

    great

  • DoronronDoronron Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Yes, it is. Mine is now fully configured. Heat problems are gone. Sound works flawlessly. I'm running at 800x600 with no scrolling, too.

    This was a good idea.

  • MunacraMunacra Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Man, outline me how you did this whole winxp process, so I can do it too.

    do it

  • DoronronDoronron Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Alright.

    First thing to note: The EEE User Forum is a good resource for troubleshooting problems and snagging third party apps.

    You will need an external DVD Drive
    You will need a copy of Windows XP
    You will need a blank CD-R\RW
    You will need a CD burning program

    What I did for my Windows XP install was this:

    I used this Step by Step Guide for creating a small Windows XP install. I used pretty much all the same settings listed there except for the tweaks section.

    I also used the Asus Driver DVD to install the necessary EEE PC XP Drivers instead of downloading and browsing to the INF files as suggested by the guide. It was just easier.

    After I had completed my XP install and attempted to install the Asus drivers, I noticed that it could not find the Realtek soundchip. This was solved through Device Manager identifying the PCI component and installing its own driver, followed by reinstalling the Asus proprietary driver.

    You will find that the Asus will run hot under XP if your WiFi is enabled. You can enable and disable it on the fly by pressing Fn-F2.

    In addition, other PCI components will also increase the Asus ambient temperature. I found the Windows Hotfix located on This Page to be useful. However, instead of running the webcam tray app under .NET, I simply disabled the webcam in BIOS (I won't use it). After the hotfix, my system runs around 50 degrees Celsius.

    Third Party Apps

    I found EEECTL to be a useful monitor for Temp and Fan speed in my sys tray.

    I am using this Beta Driver coupled with This Utility to get 800x600 screen resolution without panning with the mouse. Higher Resolutions are possible, but I don't know how the fonts will suffer.

    I am not overclocking my CPU to avoid potentially harming my system, but there is a Flash BIOS Procedure that will allow the chipset to utilize its full processor speed of 900 MHz (BIOS Download List). EEECTL also allows for it, but I'm not sure how effective it is.

  • MunacraMunacra Registered User
    edited February 2008
    got xp working.

    It's officially the best thing ever.

  • NackmatholnNackmatholn Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I just got my EEE PC 4gb this morning, I'm running it in advanced Xandros until I can get Xubuntu on her. First impressions, this is an amazing machine. Dead silent and that is a relief when working with noisy old toshiba and dell laptops all the time. The size takes getting used to, but i can just toss it into my work bag, and be gone.
    Open Office takes some time to load, but with a 15sec boot time, or a 35 sec reboot time, I can forgive a minute load time on my office suite.

  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I am seriously tempted to get a 4G Surf, but I hear there's a new revision in April so I think I'll hold out until then.

    The price of a 2G stick of DDR2 laptop ram is amazingly low, by the way. What the hell happened to the RAM market?

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  • DoronronDoronron Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Munacra wrote: »
    got xp working.

    It's officially the best thing ever.

    Everybody I've shown this thing to have been considerably impressed by it. As a result, there's a chance the company I work for could convert employees who travel a lot to these.

    This thing was off and on all day yesterday for tech demos, and the battery is still sitting at about 80%.

    I love this laptop.

  • halkunhalkun Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    It's a shame that they are discontinuing OEM loads of XP in June. :( (Not for the EeePc, but with computers in general)

  • DoronronDoronron Registered User
    edited February 2008
    For those who are interested, here are reviews for the Asus EEE PC and the Euro version of the Cloudbook (Packard Bell Easynote XS 20). As far as I know, the US version of the Cloudbook will not ship with XP. However, since the review shows XP, I found a similar EEE PC Review also with XP. Here you go:

    Asus EEE PC Feature Review with XP

    Cloudbook Feature Review Pt. 1

    Cloudbook Feature Review Pt. 2

  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    halkun wrote: »
    It's a shame that they are discontinuing OEM loads of XP in June. :( (Not for the EeePc, but with computers in general)

    Fuck XP. Asus tweaked Xandros to boot in fifteen fucking seconds.

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  • MunacraMunacra Registered User
    edited February 2008
    man, I am so happy with the Asus EEE. We need to come up with a nickname for the thing.

  • FrazFraz Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I still want this thing.

    Any more XP + Eee impressions?

  • DoronronDoronron Registered User
    edited February 2008
    How about: Several people I've shown mine to are already planning on buying their own EEE PCs and installing XP on them.

  • MunacraMunacra Registered User
    edited February 2008
  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Whoa dudes.

    So I have been reading up on the EEE for a while now, ever since I got to play with one at work for a long time. I ordered one two days ago, and though it's not here yet, I feel like I know everything about the little machine.

    It's far smaller than you think until you actually handle it, and also a lot more powerful.

    Many people are installing XP on it, as the default "easy mode" Xandros is apparently a bit buggy. I didn't like it as it made this awesome little piece of hardware feel like a simple PDA, which it is not! The included DVD even comes with Windows drivers and installation tips, and a full install of XP fits just fine on the 4 gig (2 gig left to spare for me). You can also use a program called nlite to slim it down even further. Of course I have nothing against Linux, it's just that XP will suit me better for my purposes on this machine.

    The 900 MHz EEE has been underclocked by ASUS to ~600 MHz, which is actually fine for most applications and even games, but it's quite easy to "normalclock" it to its rated speed using a program called eeectl (Windows only). Although it may be that it was underclocked for a good reason, as a few people have reported problems with overclocking, but in general it seems safe to bump up the speed a bit.

    I bought more RAM since I plan on trying some gaming on it. At Newegg it's only $30 for 2 gigs! My EEE is going to have more RAM than my desktop. :P If you plan on upgrading the RAM, make sure you have a regular 4 gig model or better (not the Surfs) since some of the less powerful models don't have an easy access RAM door on the bottom.

    I also bought a 16 gig SDHC card for ~$70, which is a bit much but worth it given the going rate for SD cards. It's the best way to expand your storage space, and why you don't really need to wait for the 8 gig version to actually get in stock (they're having manufacturing problems or something).

    By default the EEE handles resolutions of 800x480 (native) and 800x600 scrolling (as in, the screen scrolls when you move the mouse to the edge). Many games will work in 800x480 with minor modifications/registry hacks. If you trick it into thinking you have an external monitor with a homebrew VGA plug you can use other resolutions in scrolling mode or a stretched 640x480. However, the best solution is the modified drivers and kkjj's utility you can find at forum.eeeuser.com. You can get 800x600 or 1024x768 squished to fit the screen, which is perfect for gaming.

    And speaking of gaming, you would not believe what you can do on this little machine. People have played Halo, UT2004, even WoW. Oblivion is even barely playable, provided you overclock and use oldblivion. Check out this thread.

    By the way, the Cloudbook does seem rather inferior to the EEE in many ways. http://blog.laptopmag.com/category/cloudbook :|

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  • DoronronDoronron Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Done most of that myself, Sporky. I'm running Lazertag's modified drivers with kkjj scaling utility for 800x600 when I need it, but most of my programs run just fine at the default setting.

    I've got a white 4GB model (not the surf!) with 2GB RAM installed. In addition to that, I picked up an 8GB SDHC card and a card reader to transfer files back and forth from the EEE to my other computers. Thanks to nlite, I've only got 1.5GB used on the 4gig SSD with all my software. I'm using a 10inch bag made for portable DVD players as this thing's carrying case. Even with the power brick and the card reader in the bag, this thing still weighs less than a conventional 15 inch laptop. I love this little guy.

  • DHS OdiumDHS Odium Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Now I'm really torn. Originally I wanted the EeePC. Then I found out about the Cloudbook, and wanted that instead. Mainly for a beefier processor speed (though it's a C7, I'm not sure how it weighs in against the Celeron) and the larger storage space. I had expected it to be slower loading things due to the hdd and not being flash.

    I really wanted the Cloudbook to try and put Vista on, as I'd put 1GB of Ram in there, and I Have a 4GB MS Pro Duo lying around that the thing's card reader will take, and I could use that with ReadyBoost to maximize performance. But now I'm having my doubts.

    I wouldn't mind an Eee PC with XP, but I'd prefer having Vista installed. Guess I'll wait a little longer to see more reviews of everything, and maybe wait until someone else gets Vista on either one of these things so I can read about it. I was ready to buy the Cloudbook the day it was released, but it sold out. Wondering if I lucked out.

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Yeah, I kind of followed the same thought process as you, Odium, over a shorter time span. Every review I read of the Cloudbook seems to be a negative at this point. Somehow despite having a faster processor (clocked at double the baseline EEE), it ends up much slower in the end.

    Waiting may be a good idea at this point, because there's a huge cascade of EEE copycats coming out of the woodwork now, though they're merely announcements and not likely to come out anytime soon. ASUS really hit a chord with this computer, it was a nearly untapped market and it's just exploded.

    Or you could buy now to have a new toy to play with and sell it off later when you upgrade. People have put Vista on the EEE with great success, although there are apparently some tweaks that need to be done (a folder called "winsxs" that slowly balloons in size has to be moved or eliminated).

    Read this forum for lots of info about getting Vista on the EEE.

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  • Mustachio JonesMustachio Jones Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Mine should be here on Friday, and I, frankly, cannot wait to play with it.

  • DoronronDoronron Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Don't know how long the honeymoon will last, but it's just so easy to take this thing with me and use it anywhere.

  • MunacraMunacra Registered User
    edited February 2008
    so far my complaint is the small trackpad. my fingers get tired after using it for a while.

    Also, it could have a bigger screen if it wasn't for those two big speakers next to it. I'd rather have lost the speakers and gotten a bigger screen. Some headphones would have been more than enough for whatever you need it for.

    But I guess it is part of the unspoken agreement between Asus and the eeePC buyer.

    Here they are offering a solidly built, more ultra-portable than any ultra-portable, with enough style and flair to satisfy any apple fanboy. They also have awesome support and made the machine easily hackable/moddable. The hardware is stable, and of good quality. And is more than enough for anything you may need your laptop for (save for videogames made after 2004. They will run but they won't be pretty) and only for $399 dollars. For $399 I forgive the minor flaws I've found.

  • DoronronDoronron Registered User
    edited February 2008
    I don't really even have those problems. The screen is big enough for my applications. Track pad is fine since I use the keyboard more often than not. The hardware is solid, and the thing is perfect for tossing into a bag and just going somewhere. You don't even notice the weight.

    I'm still running on the charge I gave it Saturday.

  • MblackwellMblackwell Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    How is it out of the box, with the os unlocked, and what options are going to be available this year with what price points?

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  • BallmanBallman Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I just heard of this a few days ago, and it looks like concentrated awesome. I absolutely don't need one, but I don't see how that's relevant at all.

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  • jarekjarek Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Munacra wrote: »
    Also, it could have a bigger screen if it wasn't for those two big speakers next to it.

    That should probably be "it could have a bigger screen if Asus had aimed for a higher initial price point". The speakers are just there to fill up what would otherwise be an even more galling empty space. Asus has already announced pricier models with the exact same form-factor but with large screens (and smaller speaker areas).

  • MunacraMunacra Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Hey, did I say I am in love with the Asus eee?

    Because I am. I won't trash-talk my baby. She's too beautiful. I call her Olga.

  • DoronronDoronron Registered User
    edited February 2008
    ...Still running on Saturday's charge. I'll plug it in tonight, though.

  • KungFuKungFu Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    With my incoming tax refund I will probably buy one of these.

    If I want to install Windows XP & potentially older games like Warcraft III, Starcraft, Diablo2, etc, which model do I want? Im thinking I need the $349.99 4G Surf right?

    And to install that other stuff I'll need an external CD-ROM drive and a bigger SD card right?

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  • DoronronDoronron Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Do not get the surf model. My understanding is that in order to put RAM into it, you have to open the whole computer. Get the $399.99 4GB instead. You'll need the extra memory for some of those games.

    You will also need an external CD\DVD drive to install XP, the games, and the Asus XP drivers. You can get an SDHC card for it, but from what I've seen, most tend to just install games on external hard drives.

  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Doronron wrote: »
    Do not get the surf model. My understanding is that in order to put RAM into it, you have to open the whole computer. Get the $399.99 4GB instead. You'll need the extra memory for some of those games.

    You will also need an external CD\DVD drive to install XP, the games, and the Asus XP drivers. You can get an SDHC card for it, but from what I've seen, most tend to just install games on external hard drives.

    Some of the 4G Surfs have the opening in the case and some do not. It's like finding a 65nm Xbox 360; it's luck of the draw. (The 2G Surf has memory soldered in and you can't upgrade it. Stay away from that one).

    The 4G Surf and 4G only differ in the battery, webcam, microphone, and $50. I'm either getting a 4G Surf or waiting for the new revision due in April.

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  • DHS OdiumDHS Odium Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Quick question, for an external CD/DVD drive to install a new OS or programs, would the Xbox 360 HD-DVD work? It's USB, but I don't know if that computer, or any computer really, would at least pick it up as a regular optical drive and allow for a booting of an install/live CD. It's the only external optical drive that I have and it would be swell if it worked.

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  • DoronronDoronron Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Daedalus wrote: »
    Doronron wrote: »
    Do not get the surf model. My understanding is that in order to put RAM into it, you have to open the whole computer. Get the $399.99 4GB instead. You'll need the extra memory for some of those games.

    You will also need an external CD\DVD drive to install XP, the games, and the Asus XP drivers. You can get an SDHC card for it, but from what I've seen, most tend to just install games on external hard drives.

    Some of the 4G Surfs have the opening in the case and some do not. It's like finding a 65nm Xbox 360; it's luck of the draw. (The 2G Surf has memory soldered in and you can't upgrade it. Stay away from that one).

    The 4G Surf and 4G only differ in the battery, webcam, microphone, and $50. I'm either getting a 4G Surf or waiting for the new revision due in April.

    That's the thing, though. Would you want to order a surf model and find you need to take apart the entire computer just for the RAM? As for the webcam and microphone, you can turn them off and improve battery a bit further.

    Of course, waiting for the April revision is not a bad idea if you really don't need it now.
    DHS Odium wrote: »
    Quick question, for an external CD/DVD drive to install a new OS or programs, would the Xbox 360 HD-DVD work? It's USB, but I don't know if that computer, or any computer really, would at least pick it up as a regular optical drive and allow for a booting of an install/live CD. It's the only external optical drive that I have and it would be swell if it worked.

    I don't know. The EEE PC is pretty much just like any other laptop, just small. Have you tried plugging the 360 HD-DVD into your current computer to see if it'll read data disks?

  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Any rumors as to what will be in the April edition?

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Any rumors as to what will be in the April edition?

    Merom-core processors. Rumor is they're cutting power use from 11W to 7W.

    also a model with a bigger screen but that will probably cost much more

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Got mine a few days ago and it is awesome. All parts I ordered are working flawlessly, 2 gigs of RAM, 16 gig SDHC card which is essentially the same as upgrading the internal storage.

    I have Unreal Tournament, Black & White, Morrowind, Diablo 2, and Age of Empires on it already. UT and Morrowind require some easy modification to put them at 800x600 resolution, and D2 has to run in a window. Age of Empires doesn't work for me yet because you have to run it at 640x480 which isn't supported without some messing around.

    It is just so awesome to see this stuff running on such a tiny machine.

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  • Mustachio JonesMustachio Jones Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Just got mine today, and so far I'm pleased. I don't have an external DVD drive or the means to get one currently, so Xandros will suffice for now. I'm just having trouble getting the Full Desktop to run, but we'll see what happens. Troubleshooting away!

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