True story: During the early (at least) segments of the Afghan and Iraqi wars UK troops in the field would ditch their supposedly "advanced" SA-80 rifles for AK-47's discarded by whatever insurgent groups they were fighting at the time. That's how shitty the gears and parts of their rifle were (are).
Shoulda stuck with their FAL variants.
The m-16 also has a similar history of shitty performance since it was introduced, and the only reason the US didn't develop their own ak-47 knockoff, or just use the belgian FAL like every other NATO country, is because AMERICA.
Funny thing about the early variants of the SA-80: One tiny, itsy bitsy fault is that the magazine would just fall out.
Edit: Also seeing as Hugo Boss was originally responsible for the black SS uniforms and began to produce stuff for the rest of the Nazi Party, yeah they were pretty damn fashionable no question about that.
after ww2 the army was all, "woah guys it turns out individual accuracy doesn't matter at all in firefights! it's whoever puts out the most ammunition!"
and they were right, for ww2 at least, so the develop the m16
now we got these wars where killin' individual dudes is the name of the game, and we've got snipers in every squad a la the soviets and there's lots of people who say, " never shoulda gotten rid of the m14"
It isn't so much about removing individual accuracy as recognizing that most combat took place within 100 yards and not necessarily because they thought it was all about putting out a bunch of ammunition. And even though the M16 was a real piece of shit when it first came out, it ended up becoming a top notch rifle, if a bit ill-suited for jungle warfare.
The rifle's apparent failure in Mogadishu was due to the type of rounds they were using, as I recall.
The reason the Taliban and whoever else are sniping at us is because we're too damn good at killing people and being fuck-ass meters away is the only way they can shoot at us without being turned into pulp 100% of the time. And, even though they are shooting at us from long range, the guys we're fighting aren't renowned for their marksmanship.
Stop being so down on the M-16. It's a fine rifle. A few hundred thousand dead VC can't be wrong!
Yeah I remember that when reading the Black Hawk Down book PI, they were issued "green-tips" a new type of round. Great for piercing light armour, incredibly bad against foot troops seeing as the bullets just went in and out leaving a clean wound, meaning it took multiple shots to down one enemy combatant.
Another annecdote from the book is that one of the Delta boys got made fun of for carrying an M14 with him into combat. They stopped ragging on him as soon as he started shooting people and they didn't get back up.
It's one of my favourites, especially the recount of one of the medics to the guy Grimes was based off.
Here he is some Ranger clerk caught in the shit at one of the crash sites, his pants burned away, his legs blackened from multiple explosions, with a minor bullet wound and this medic bandages him up, hands him his rifle then gives him some pain pills and says
"Normally I would not recommend mixing firearms and drug use, but under the circumstances I'm willing to let an exception."
I'm pretty sure it was Hooten, but he figured that if they got rushed in this compound he would kill them with his rifle until he ran out of ammo, then switch to his shotgun, then his pistol, then his knife, then he would die.
The math on that wouldn't bode well for the Somalis, even if they had got him.
I also loved how Durant tried to pass on a hidden message when told by his captors to write a letter as proof of life, and when they attempted to scribble it out his wife still noticed the four letters he wrote
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What show is that from? Looks pretty entertaining.
It's called That Mitchell and Webb Look. It's pretty hit and miss. If you want to see those guys do something that is consistently awesome check out Peep Show.
On topic, I have considered joining the army and being a combat medic. I'm pretty anti-war but the armed forces seem like a good experience, assuming you're not being shot or blown up. People I know who have served seem pretty positive about it. But because of my disability (being female) I'm not sure if I'd be allowed to do the shit I'd actually want to do.
It isn't so much about removing individual accuracy as recognizing that most combat took place within 100 yards and not necessarily because they thought it was all about putting out a bunch of ammunition. And even though the M16 was a real piece of shit when it first came out, it ended up becoming a top notch rifle, if a bit ill-suited for jungle warfare.
The rifle's apparent failure in Mogadishu was due to the type of rounds they were using, as I recall.
The reason the Taliban and whoever else are sniping at us is because we're too damn good at killing people and being fuck-ass meters away is the only way they can shoot at us without being turned into pulp 100% of the time. And, even though they are shooting at us from long range, the guys we're fighting aren't renowned for their marksmanship.
Stop being so down on the M-16. It's a fine rifle. A few hundred thousand dead VC can't be wrong!
I'm not saying that the armed forces haven't tried working around the rifle's flaws, but it is still a relatively flawed weapon; for making it standard-issue anyways. There is a reason that the military is on their third project or so trying to replace it, beyond throwing taxpayers' dollars into the toilet like most projects.
It isn't so much about removing individual accuracy as recognizing that most combat took place within 100 yards and not necessarily because they thought it was all about putting out a bunch of ammunition. And even though the M16 was a real piece of shit when it first came out, it ended up becoming a top notch rifle, if a bit ill-suited for jungle warfare.
The rifle's apparent failure in Mogadishu was due to the type of rounds they were using, as I recall.
The reason the Taliban and whoever else are sniping at us is because we're too damn good at killing people and being fuck-ass meters away is the only way they can shoot at us without being turned into pulp 100% of the time. And, even though they are shooting at us from long range, the guys we're fighting aren't renowned for their marksmanship.
Stop being so down on the M-16. It's a fine rifle. A few hundred thousand dead VC can't be wrong!
I'm not saying that the armed forces haven't tried working around the rifle's flaws, but it is still a relatively flawed weapon; for making it standard-issue anyways. There is a reason that the military is on their third project or so trying to replace it, beyond throwing taxpayers' dollars into the toilet like most projects.
Or maybe that is the only reason.
The reason is that the military is always working on replacing everything they have.
It's probably the one piece of equipment that the US military has had the longest.
Because any improvements a new weapon would bring could more easily be implemented into the M16 and M4 than to field a completely new weapon, and they are.
It isn't so much about removing individual accuracy as recognizing that most combat took place within 100 yards and not necessarily because they thought it was all about putting out a bunch of ammunition. And even though the M16 was a real piece of shit when it first came out, it ended up becoming a top notch rifle, if a bit ill-suited for jungle warfare.
The rifle's apparent failure in Mogadishu was due to the type of rounds they were using, as I recall.
The reason the Taliban and whoever else are sniping at us is because we're too damn good at killing people and being fuck-ass meters away is the only way they can shoot at us without being turned into pulp 100% of the time. And, even though they are shooting at us from long range, the guys we're fighting aren't renowned for their marksmanship.
Stop being so down on the M-16. It's a fine rifle. A few hundred thousand dead VC can't be wrong!
I'm not saying that the armed forces haven't tried working around the rifle's flaws, but it is still a relatively flawed weapon; for making it standard-issue anyways. There is a reason that the military is on their third project or so trying to replace it, beyond throwing taxpayers' dollars into the toilet like most projects.
Or maybe that is the only reason.
Those weapons contractors have families to feed, sir.
We had rifles from as early as I think 1968 in my platoon (Although platoons are a different size here)
Although the rifles are basically AK47's built with better craftsmanship and materials. There's stories about Russians crossing the border, sniffing out training camps and trying to sneak into the tents to get a few rifles which sell on the black market for about 3000-5000€. Or that's what we were told, could be lies to ensure that you don't fucking fall asleep when on guard duty.
Again I contribute with something that isn't really relevant, but dammit I wrote all these words and I am not letting them go to waste.
My military expierence has showed me that old men hate change and younger officers only want change so that their OERs look better before they can reject change.
with that said a guy i know that was over at bamc getting his rehab on for three bullets in his leg said that the m16/m4 worked fine when he had it in afghanistan
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Do fighter pilots listen to Danger Zone all the time?
Yes.
Well, that and Hit Me with Your Best Shot.
Seriously, every cruise video for every squadron, ever, will be set to those two songs. Even cruise videos for helo squadrons that are primarily engaged in VertRep and SAR duties.
I think I missed where the OP decided for or agin' joining the Navy. Did he decide one way or the other?
navy is the best branch if you can tolerate the 6 month tours. but now a days it's equivalent to the 6 months in iraq.
sub is the best boat type because i'm bias and half of my family worked in subs. not good if you are tall or claustrophobic i guess.
after that, air force is the best due to living conditions, and army is good if you have a job you really want and it's only in the army. coast guard is chill and a good branch. marines uh. don't go marines?
Do fighter pilots listen to Danger Zone all the time?
Yes.
Well, that and Hit Me with Your Best Shot.
Seriously, every cruise video for every squadron, ever, will be set to those two songs. Even cruise videos for helo squadrons that are primarily engaged in VertRep and SAR duties.
I think I missed where the OP decided for or agin' joining the Navy. Did he decide one way or the other?
I've decided to finish school or at least get my AA before I join the navy. I'll use the navy scholarship diddly to go to an actually expensive school instead of just my local community college.
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Funny thing about the early variants of the SA-80: One tiny, itsy bitsy fault is that the magazine would just fall out.
Edit: Also seeing as Hugo Boss was originally responsible for the black SS uniforms and began to produce stuff for the rest of the Nazi Party, yeah they were pretty damn fashionable no question about that.
after ww2 the army was all, "woah guys it turns out individual accuracy doesn't matter at all in firefights! it's whoever puts out the most ammunition!"
and they were right, for ww2 at least, so the develop the m16
now we got these wars where killin' individual dudes is the name of the game, and we've got snipers in every squad a la the soviets and there's lots of people who say, " never shoulda gotten rid of the m14"
The rifle's apparent failure in Mogadishu was due to the type of rounds they were using, as I recall.
The reason the Taliban and whoever else are sniping at us is because we're too damn good at killing people and being fuck-ass meters away is the only way they can shoot at us without being turned into pulp 100% of the time. And, even though they are shooting at us from long range, the guys we're fighting aren't renowned for their marksmanship.
Stop being so down on the M-16. It's a fine rifle. A few hundred thousand dead VC can't be wrong!
Another annecdote from the book is that one of the Delta boys got made fun of for carrying an M14 with him into combat. They stopped ragging on him as soon as he started shooting people and they didn't get back up.
Here he is some Ranger clerk caught in the shit at one of the crash sites, his pants burned away, his legs blackened from multiple explosions, with a minor bullet wound and this medic bandages him up, hands him his rifle then gives him some pain pills and says
"Normally I would not recommend mixing firearms and drug use, but under the circumstances I'm willing to let an exception."
I'm pretty sure it was Hooten, but he figured that if they got rushed in this compound he would kill them with his rifle until he ran out of ammo, then switch to his shotgun, then his pistol, then his knife, then he would die.
The math on that wouldn't bode well for the Somalis, even if they had got him.
I also loved how Durant tried to pass on a hidden message when told by his captors to write a letter as proof of life, and when they attempted to scribble it out his wife still noticed the four letters he wrote
NSDQ
Night Stalkers Don't Quit
It's called That Mitchell and Webb Look. It's pretty hit and miss. If you want to see those guys do something that is consistently awesome check out Peep Show.
On topic, I have considered joining the army and being a combat medic. I'm pretty anti-war but the armed forces seem like a good experience, assuming you're not being shot or blown up. People I know who have served seem pretty positive about it. But because of my disability (being female) I'm not sure if I'd be allowed to do the shit I'd actually want to do.
Trigger time baby.
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Jesus... He was... intense.
maybe you misheard
I'm not saying that the armed forces haven't tried working around the rifle's flaws, but it is still a relatively flawed weapon; for making it standard-issue anyways. There is a reason that the military is on their third project or so trying to replace it, beyond throwing taxpayers' dollars into the toilet like most projects.
Or maybe that is the only reason.
The reason is that the military is always working on replacing everything they have.
Because any improvements a new weapon would bring could more easily be implemented into the M16 and M4 than to field a completely new weapon, and they are.
Those weapons contractors have families to feed, sir.
Although the rifles are basically AK47's built with better craftsmanship and materials. There's stories about Russians crossing the border, sniffing out training camps and trying to sneak into the tents to get a few rifles which sell on the black market for about 3000-5000€. Or that's what we were told, could be lies to ensure that you don't fucking fall asleep when on guard duty.
Again I contribute with something that isn't really relevant, but dammit I wrote all these words and I am not letting them go to waste.
So I'll just say this. SCAR is where it's at.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as70-e.htm
What's the last time soldiers on the ground overwhelmingly rejected a better working piece of equipment?
Not saying the SCAR is vastly superior to any other firearm, just saying I like it and it's pretty reliable.
i want to hear it from people that know what's what
The Klobb is the best rifle.
I got lotsa experience playing medal of honor and call of duty, so I know what i'm talking about.
It served the British fine for sixty years and two World Wars, so I don't see a reason to give up on it now.
Yes.
Well, that and Hit Me with Your Best Shot.
Seriously, every cruise video for every squadron, ever, will be set to those two songs. Even cruise videos for helo squadrons that are primarily engaged in VertRep and SAR duties.
I think I missed where the OP decided for or agin' joining the Navy. Did he decide one way or the other?
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sub is the best boat type because i'm bias and half of my family worked in subs. not good if you are tall or claustrophobic i guess.
after that, air force is the best due to living conditions, and army is good if you have a job you really want and it's only in the army. coast guard is chill and a good branch. marines uh. don't go marines?
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I've decided to finish school or at least get my AA before I join the navy. I'll use the navy scholarship diddly to go to an actually expensive school instead of just my local community college.