Just less-rabi here. Now it's a case of when I run it for the daily with my guild, I'll run every other boss on my mage (for badges), and I'll swap to the pally to dps in an attempt to get less-rabi.
I need to find a way to coerce our top DPSers to help me get it.
Less-Rabi is a cock sucker too. I'm actually missing that one. I brought myself tanking and 4 of my guild's top DPS including a shaman for Heroism and we still got two casts and I fucking interrupted the second one BUT NOOOO MY INTERRUPT DIDN'T COUNTAND FUCK YOU LESS-RABI!
That's the main problem we run into. Just about everytime he's transformed at less than 10%, I can look at the overall combat log and see the interrupt appearing first (which I know is a client/server lag issue but still).
Hm, I don't remember doing magister's terrace with a paladin tank at all.
But I remember having to CC. Enslaving those succubus bitches was awesome.
Paladin tanks only really started being noticed(aka taken seriously) at the 'end' of TBC. Mostly because how easy it was to tank on them compared to the pre-3.0 warriors.
Also because of how they made other tanks look like a joke while tanking heroic Shattered Halls so easily
Another thing that people are forgetting is that to do heroics on the first half of TBC, you had to be REVERED with the faction of that instance. There were also no dailies for easy rep grinding.
People were forced to grind the level70 instances at normal so that gave them a little practice. Also, most of the good pre-raid crafted gear were drops in heroics or 'hard' normal instances.
Any pointers on how to do Watch Him Die? We gave it a few tries last night but didn't have much success.
If you have good geared DPS and a holy paladin specced 51/20/0 it's easy money. Tank just pulls the boss and everything with it, dps just focus fires the boss, paladin pops DS/Bubble at the beginning, tank pops shield wall and whatever cooldowns they have. Boss dies, you get the achievement and run back in after everybody gets smoked by the adds. When I got it on my Warrior we didn't even have bloodlust, so that would just make it that much easier.
For less-rabi just having a high dps group who are actually good at interrupting is good enough to do it. When I did it we had Prot War(Me), Blood DK, Blood DK, Mage, Disc Priest(He went shadow for the fight and lol dpsed since you need no healer)
Me and the two DKs interrupted him 3 times and that's all it took. If you have a mage who is actually good at counterspelling(we didn't) it's even easier because they lock him out for 8 seconds, so the mage gets the second interrupt and you have 8 full seconds to kill him before another transform can happen.
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Is the Red Proto a 280 or 310 speed mount?
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Hm, well that tempers the enthusiasm to get one somewhat. I'd still like to have it, I've got about 65% of the achievements done already.
The occulus achievements are easy as shit now that the drakes scale. We could have gotten the timed achievement while doing amber void if I hadn't been constantly disconnecting. Then you can do ruby void and emerald void at the same time.
Any pointers on how to do Watch Him Die? We gave it a few tries last night but didn't have much success.
1. Pull the left named add with his friends. Kill the two unnamed adds.
2. While still tanking the first named add, pull the middle group. Repeat in killing the two unnamed adds.
3. While still tanking the first two adds, pull the right group and kill the unnamed adds. At this point you are tanking all 3 named npcs.
4. If you have a pally in the group, have him holy wrath the npcs, and pull the boss. Bloodlust if you've got it. Pop cooldowns if you've got them up (the fight may not last longer than needing the first one if your group is high T8 level/T9 geared).
Depending on gear level, you may be able to mop up the remaining named adds, or you can just wipe to them and let them reset.
We had 4 strong DPS, we cleared all the adds up until the 3 named ones and their buddies before the boss.
I blew heroism, everyone clumped up and we zerged the boss down while ignoring everything else.
Chain heal and heroism make that part easy peasy.
The red proto is pretty hard to get, due to the sheer volume of achievements, and a few ones that suck no matter what, like Watch Him Die and Less-rabi. I'm sad that drakes scale now, since that was what made Ruby Void so goddamn hard. So I view people with red protos with a lot more respect than I do people with some of the raid protos, since it's pretty damn easy to get carried to a lot of achievements. Hell, I walked into Ulduar 10 two weeks ago and walked out a Starcaller like two hours later.
The red proto is pretty hard to get, due to the sheer volume of achievements, and a few ones that suck no matter what, like Watch Him Die and Less-rabi. I'm sad that drakes scale now, since that was what made Ruby Void so goddamn hard. So I view people with red protos with a lot more respect than I do people with some of the raid protos, since it's pretty damn easy to get carried to a lot of achievements. Hell, I walked into Ulduar 10 two weeks ago and walked out a Starcaller like two hours later.
Well, to be fair, the people who put in the time learning Firefighter, Yogg 1 light, Algalon, etc. probably put in a hell of a lot more time on those than the average person spends getting the red proto drake. I have the red proto on my Warrior. I got it about 10 days after dinging 80, and I didn't even start trying to get it until about day 5 when I realized I had accidentally gotten some of the achievements and so I started actually doing them on purpose as I ran the heroics to farm badges.
Well the issue now is that people who get brought in as some shlub to a raid that does hardmodes can often get carried to a lot of achievements. My fury warrior did Ulduar like 3 times in the month after it came out, never downed Mimiron, and then like four months later, if I show up, I'm getting achievements left, right, up and down, through basically no large effort of my own. I assume others can run into similar situations.
The red proto is pretty hard to get, due to the sheer volume of achievements, and a few ones that suck no matter what, like Watch Him Die and Less-rabi. I'm sad that drakes scale now, since that was what made Ruby Void so goddamn hard. So I view people with red protos with a lot more respect than I do people with some of the raid protos, since it's pretty damn easy to get carried to a lot of achievements. Hell, I walked into Ulduar 10 two weeks ago and walked out a Starcaller like two hours later.
General rule of thumb is if I see 10 people from a guild sitting around on Rusted protos, they probably earned the hell out of them on Firefighter (which is damned hard to carry anybody on the first couple of times you do it), and considering there is only one guild on my server who has Ironbounds (incidentally, the only guild who's beaten Firefighter 25 as well)...
Meanwhile, there were at least 2 exploits that I knew of that could be used to get Less-rabi (that have since been hotfixed out), and I'll hazard a guess that a good chunk of the people who got Red Protos immediately after the nerf to Gotta Go had gotten Less-rabi using one of them.
Deathwing can burn the whole damn world for all I care. Some of those quests are just awful.
I started working on Loremaster once, got about five quests into the Barrens and said 'fuuuuuuck this'. If they boosted the cash rewards at 80 I could see doing it, but running all over god's creation for a handful of copper and a wooden stick? Mm, no.
I'll do it once they re-vamp everything in Cat and I can fly from point A to point B.
Red Proto is hardly skill based. No amount of skill compensates for a lack of interrupts or bloodlust.
When we did less-rabi it was a holy paladin, an arms, prot, and fury warrior, and a moonkin. The arms warrior was in battle stance for more damage, after doing the very first interrupt.
We only won because when all other interrupts were down, the holy paladin knew they would be and used hammer of justice to interrupt.
But maybe it was our stellar group composition that did it
Red Proto is hardly skill based. No amount of skill compensates for a lack of interrupts or bloodlust.
We did it with two dks, a pally, a warlock, and a priest, with just the plate wearers doing the interrupts. You definitely don't need a bloodlust, though obviously you need interrupts.
edit: Kainy, that's a lot like how we did it. It was mostly the DKs swapping interrupts, but when it got down to the end the pally realized what was about to happen and dropped a perfect HoJ at 2%.
Checking specific achievements is a bad way to gauge player skill, but overall in your character profile, achievements build a reasonably accurate picture of your experience and skill level.
Maybe if you looked at all characters. My druid? Naxx gear mostly, I don't raid much. 6k plus points.
My death knight in equivalent gear from tokens/emblems/tourney 5-man. Barely 2k.
It's not an accurate gauge unless you look across all characters.
IMO, most of them if not all should be account-based.
Hm, I don't remember doing magister's terrace with a paladin tank at all.
But I remember having to CC. Enslaving those succubus bitches was awesome.
I never finished it on normal diff. Healing that as a holy pally was awful. I put together a tank set just so I could ever get past the 2nd to last boss and by the time I got it already i was sick of the game and quit.
Hm, I don't remember doing magister's terrace with a paladin tank at all.
But I remember having to CC. Enslaving those succubus bitches was awesome.
Paladin tanks only really started being noticed(aka taken seriously) at the 'end' of TBC. Mostly because how easy it was to tank on them compared to the pre-3.0 warriors.
Also because of how they made other tanks look like a joke while tanking heroic Shattered Halls so easily
We actually had a paladin tank, and it was awesome for Hyjal, but then he quit, and we mostly stopped doing Hyjal because fuck that.
We had other tanks though, and when it came to 5mans, I tended to do stuff with them instead, although I never did Shattered Halls with them...I did Shattered Halls with the paladin tank.
Another thing that people are forgetting is that to do heroics on the first half of TBC, you had to be REVERED with the faction of that instance. There were also no dailies for easy rep grinding.
People were forced to grind the level70 instances at normal so that gave them a little practice. Also, most of the good pre-raid crafted gear were drops in heroics or 'hard' normal instances.
I got revered pretty quickly, but for me, the only thing worth while about heroics was the badges (besides quests you were supposed to do). There was something like 3 pieces that I could have used out of heroics themselves, but Karazhan dropped not only better gear, but more, and it was easier. Heroics just didn't fit into progression.
Edit: Also, I think I hit exalted with Lower City trying to get everything I wanted out of Shadow Labyrinth. I never got the sword...I got the pvp dagger and the dagger off of the Prince boss in Kara before I saw the sword drop on my warlock.
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I got revered pretty quickly, but for me, the only thing worth while about heroics was the badges (besides quests you were supposed to do). There was something like 3 pieces that I could have used out of heroics themselves, but Karazhan dropped not only better gear, but more, and it was easier. Heroics just didn't fit into progression.
Interestingly enough, Naxx is falling into the same trap that Kara did. The standard answer I see nowadays for gearing up a new 80 is to get dragged through Naxx.
Actually, it's better to just skip Naxx now and gear purely with badge/ToC 5 loot pre raid. I'm sure there might be one or two drops in 10 man Naxx, and there's definitely some good stuff to be had in 25 man, but nothing that can't be replaced easily in Ulduar/ToC.
Honestly the only reason I'd take any of my alts to a Naxx would be if it was a 25 and I needed to try for a Grim Toll.
I got revered pretty quickly, but for me, the only thing worth while about heroics was the badges (besides quests you were supposed to do). There was something like 3 pieces that I could have used out of heroics themselves, but Karazhan dropped not only better gear, but more, and it was easier. Heroics just didn't fit into progression.
Interestingly enough, Naxx is falling into the same trap that Kara did. The standard answer I see nowadays for gearing up a new 80 is to get dragged through Naxx.
Yeah, I guess when you can raise the average gear level enough, its hard to avoid that. There was a point, likewise, when no one ran normal instances in TBC.
Come to think of it, back in the day, originally Kara had some pretty hard things in it (fucking ushers), but heroics were still harder.
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I got revered pretty quickly, but for me, the only thing worth while about heroics was the badges (besides quests you were supposed to do). There was something like 3 pieces that I could have used out of heroics themselves, but Karazhan dropped not only better gear, but more, and it was easier. Heroics just didn't fit into progression.
Interestingly enough, Naxx is falling into the same trap that Kara did. The standard answer I see nowadays for gearing up a new 80 is to get dragged through Naxx.
Why? Maybe arms dps is just weird, but naxx dps plate was so poorly itemized it wasn't worth doing. ToC and heroic ToC had much better gear in general than 10/25 naxxx.
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Well the difference between WotLK and TBC with regards to heroics is that in TBC, the heroic gear was, largely, complete shit. A few of the instances didn't even have different loot tables between Norm/Hero. In WotLK, the reverse is true: there are plenty of pieces of Heroic gear that absolutely eclipse things that drop from Naxx.
That and the fact that TBC heroics could take hours whereas these take 20 minutes or so. Much better investment of time:reward ratio.
I got revered pretty quickly, but for me, the only thing worth while about heroics was the badges (besides quests you were supposed to do). There was something like 3 pieces that I could have used out of heroics themselves, but Karazhan dropped not only better gear, but more, and it was easier. Heroics just didn't fit into progression.
Interestingly enough, Naxx is falling into the same trap that Kara did. The standard answer I see nowadays for gearing up a new 80 is to get dragged through Naxx.
Yeah, I guess when you can raise the average gear level enough, its hard to avoid that. There was a point, likewise, when no one ran normal instances in TBC.
This is a good thing though.
Cause I'm sure anyone from Vanilla WoW will remember running MC all the fucking time because you needed to gear up new peeps. Having a quick way to get them up to speed is a fucking godsend.
I got revered pretty quickly, but for me, the only thing worth while about heroics was the badges (besides quests you were supposed to do). There was something like 3 pieces that I could have used out of heroics themselves, but Karazhan dropped not only better gear, but more, and it was easier. Heroics just didn't fit into progression.
Interestingly enough, Naxx is falling into the same trap that Kara did. The standard answer I see nowadays for gearing up a new 80 is to get dragged through Naxx.
Why? Maybe arms dps is just weird, but naxx dps plate was so poorly itemized it wasn't worth doing. ToC and heroic ToC had much better gear in general than 10/25 naxxx.
Well the number one reason is of course, badges, since each boss in Naxx drops Conquest (and in 3.3 they drop Triumph). Many classes can also get a jumpstart with the T7 equivalent gear. I do remember hearing that the DPS plate was nothing to write home about, but I'm sure the ton of badges you can get running the place can make up for it.
The new 5 man Trial is interesting in that it reverses the trend somewhat, but it's still the exception and not the rule.
Cause I'm sure anyone from Vanilla WoW will remember running MC all the fucking time because you needed to gear up new peeps. Having a quick way to get them up to speed is a fucking godsend.
Nah, we kept running it because there wasn't anywhere else to get T2 pants.
Well the number one reason is of course, badges, since each boss in Naxx drops Conquest (and in 3.3 they drop Triumph). Many classes can also get a jumpstart with the T7 equivalent gear. I do remember hearing that the DPS plate was nothing to write home about, but I'm sure the ton of badges you can get running the place can make up for it.
The new 5 man Trial is interesting in that it reverses the trend somewhat, but it's still the exception and not the rule.
There's DPS plate in Naxx? I thought it was all SP?
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Paladin tanks only really started being noticed(aka taken seriously) at the 'end' of TBC. Mostly because how easy it was to tank on them compared to the pre-3.0 warriors.
Also because of how they made other tanks look like a joke while tanking heroic Shattered Halls so easily
Another thing that people are forgetting is that to do heroics on the first half of TBC, you had to be REVERED with the faction of that instance. There were also no dailies for easy rep grinding.
People were forced to grind the level70 instances at normal so that gave them a little practice. Also, most of the good pre-raid crafted gear were drops in heroics or 'hard' normal instances.
If you have good geared DPS and a holy paladin specced 51/20/0 it's easy money. Tank just pulls the boss and everything with it, dps just focus fires the boss, paladin pops DS/Bubble at the beginning, tank pops shield wall and whatever cooldowns they have. Boss dies, you get the achievement and run back in after everybody gets smoked by the adds.
For less-rabi just having a high dps group who are actually good at interrupting is good enough to do it. When I did it we had Prot War(Me), Blood DK, Blood DK, Mage, Disc Priest(He went shadow for the fight and lol dpsed since you need no healer)
Me and the two DKs interrupted him 3 times and that's all it took. If you have a mage who is actually good at counterspelling(we didn't) it's even easier because they lock him out for 8 seconds, so the mage gets the second interrupt and you have 8 full seconds to kill him before another transform can happen.
We had 4 strong DPS, we cleared all the adds up until the 3 named ones and their buddies before the boss.
I blew heroism, everyone clumped up and we zerged the boss down while ignoring everything else.
Chain heal and heroism make that part easy peasy.
Well, to be fair, the people who put in the time learning Firefighter, Yogg 1 light, Algalon, etc. probably put in a hell of a lot more time on those than the average person spends getting the red proto drake. I have the red proto on my Warrior. I got it about 10 days after dinging 80, and I didn't even start trying to get it until about day 5 when I realized I had accidentally gotten some of the achievements and so I started actually doing them on purpose as I ran the heroics to farm badges.
Deathwing can burn the whole damn world for all I care. Some of those quests are just awful.
General rule of thumb is if I see 10 people from a guild sitting around on Rusted protos, they probably earned the hell out of them on Firefighter (which is damned hard to carry anybody on the first couple of times you do it), and considering there is only one guild on my server who has Ironbounds (incidentally, the only guild who's beaten Firefighter 25 as well)...
Meanwhile, there were at least 2 exploits that I knew of that could be used to get Less-rabi (that have since been hotfixed out), and I'll hazard a guess that a good chunk of the people who got Red Protos immediately after the nerf to Gotta Go had gotten Less-rabi using one of them.
I'll do it once they re-vamp everything in Cat and I can fly from point A to point B.
When we did less-rabi it was a holy paladin, an arms, prot, and fury warrior, and a moonkin. The arms warrior was in battle stance for more damage, after doing the very first interrupt.
We only won because when all other interrupts were down, the holy paladin knew they would be and used hammer of justice to interrupt.
But maybe it was our stellar group composition that did it
edit: Kainy, that's a lot like how we did it. It was mostly the DKs swapping interrupts, but when it got down to the end the pally realized what was about to happen and dropped a perfect HoJ at 2%.
Maybe if you looked at all characters. My druid? Naxx gear mostly, I don't raid much. 6k plus points.
My death knight in equivalent gear from tokens/emblems/tourney 5-man. Barely 2k.
It's not an accurate gauge unless you look across all characters.
IMO, most of them if not all should be account-based.
In both cases it's Void Dance and Lockdown! because I've never seen that boss. I gave up after running it daily for about 3 weeks.
RNG is my bane. I also saw 12 straight Eye of Shadow drops running MC on my hunter :P
Assuming that the list of 'other characters' they give actually belong to them.
And I collected 6 Hunter Leaves (more than that dropped) waiting when I was next up for eye. =(
I never finished it on normal diff. Healing that as a holy pally was awful. I put together a tank set just so I could ever get past the 2nd to last boss and by the time I got it already i was sick of the game and quit.
I've started work on this with my pally.
Who I leveled during BC in lowbie instances when I had rest exp and was bored with my lock.
We actually had a paladin tank, and it was awesome for Hyjal, but then he quit, and we mostly stopped doing Hyjal because fuck that.
We had other tanks though, and when it came to 5mans, I tended to do stuff with them instead, although I never did Shattered Halls with them...I did Shattered Halls with the paladin tank.
I got revered pretty quickly, but for me, the only thing worth while about heroics was the badges (besides quests you were supposed to do). There was something like 3 pieces that I could have used out of heroics themselves, but Karazhan dropped not only better gear, but more, and it was easier. Heroics just didn't fit into progression.
Edit: Also, I think I hit exalted with Lower City trying to get everything I wanted out of Shadow Labyrinth. I never got the sword...I got the pvp dagger and the dagger off of the Prince boss in Kara before I saw the sword drop on my warlock.
Interestingly enough, Naxx is falling into the same trap that Kara did. The standard answer I see nowadays for gearing up a new 80 is to get dragged through Naxx.
Honestly the only reason I'd take any of my alts to a Naxx would be if it was a 25 and I needed to try for a Grim Toll.
Yeah, I guess when you can raise the average gear level enough, its hard to avoid that. There was a point, likewise, when no one ran normal instances in TBC.
Come to think of it, back in the day, originally Kara had some pretty hard things in it (fucking ushers), but heroics were still harder.
Why? Maybe arms dps is just weird, but naxx dps plate was so poorly itemized it wasn't worth doing. ToC and heroic ToC had much better gear in general than 10/25 naxxx.
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That and the fact that TBC heroics could take hours whereas these take 20 minutes or so. Much better investment of time:reward ratio.
This is a good thing though.
Cause I'm sure anyone from Vanilla WoW will remember running MC all the fucking time because you needed to gear up new peeps. Having a quick way to get them up to speed is a fucking godsend.
Well the number one reason is of course, badges, since each boss in Naxx drops Conquest (and in 3.3 they drop Triumph). Many classes can also get a jumpstart with the T7 equivalent gear. I do remember hearing that the DPS plate was nothing to write home about, but I'm sure the ton of badges you can get running the place can make up for it.
The new 5 man Trial is interesting in that it reverses the trend somewhat, but it's still the exception and not the rule.
There's DPS plate in Naxx? I thought it was all SP?