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Tales of the Old [Westerns]
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And you're saying that TGTBATU, the 3 hour film, is better paced?
Are you sure you don't have them mixed up?
Pace has nothing to do with length, and erverything to do with directing, editing and structure.
TGTBATU is better on all counts.
If you don't think that pace has anything to do with length then you're foolish. And the structure et all are better in FAFDM Gloriously one dimensional
Nonsense.
The film veers all over the place. Compared to the coherent, careful buildup of TGTBATU, it's a mess.
I enjoyed it. For the second time. It's about one important aspect of western life that gets overlooked by most films, the relationship between a man and his horse. Most westerns just treat them the way Grand Theft Auto treats cars. As a matter of fact, it has more in the way of a character arc for the main character than most westerns do.
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Leone had a vision that set him apart, but "Spaghetti Western" originally entered the lexicon as a derogatory term because most of them were cheap and shitty. Recycled plots, lots of stock footage, bad acting, bad editing, bad dubbing...I am sure there are some non-Leone gems but I think it's one of those things where the diminishing returns kick in really fast.
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Sergio Corbucci did some really good ones, including Django and Compañeros. Gianfranco Parolini's Sabata series is pretty good. Enzo Barboni did the Trinity films. The Spaghetti Western fragmented into a lot of sub-genres pretty quickly. The Zapata Western and the Comedy Spaghetti Westerns were both pretty popular.
NFPF website also has Hell's Hinges which I previously added to the OP.
I'm a big fan of the Eastwood westerns, and the Eastwood/Leone movies, I have not watched a lot of John Wayne movies.
I want to try some of the Ford/Wayne movies. I did see the Shootist about a year ago, that was a good movie. Kind of cheesy/sappy in parts, especially with the blonde guy hero worshiping Wayne's character, but I guess that was kind of the point.
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This is goofy as heck. This scene really stretches believability. I mean this guy with a lever action rifle is demolishing a huge amount of soldiers. What's the rest of the movie like?
Also, I read there have been a couple different "prints" of Tears of the Black Tiger. From what I have seen, the colors are absolutely over the top lurid in this, and one of the prints supposedly has a bad palette. Is this the good version? Anyone know?
edit-- the reviews say it is inferior to the thai release, which doesn't seem to be available for region 1. Sigh.
I love the twirl he does to work the lever action on his rifle. It's a nice call back to Wayne in True Grit and Stagecoach.
That's a really weird list. There are some good inclusions like Little Big Man and it has some weird choices like Silverado and Tombstone which feel like they make that list solely because the readers will know them.
The ending was dumb, but the movie was over all great.
More Dollars, compared to Fistful of Dollars, is just kind of meh. The plot seems to wander around quite a bit without going anywhere until halfway through the film. Van Cleef's character is somewhat interesting, but the he and the villain steal a lot of time from Clint, whose character I enjoyed immensely in Fistful. In A Few More Dollars, Clint doesn't really show the slick intelligence displayed in Fistful of Dollars. They do a lot to contrast him with the more experienced Van Cleef, and it costs Clint the character he had in Fistful of Dollars, or so it seems. Also using the same actor for the villain in A Few More Dollars was really lame and I spent the first couple minutes wondering how that guy got better after being shot so many times, until realizing that it was in fact supposed to be a different character.
Or the list maker(s?) could have different tastes. A bad movie is a bad movie, but those movies all seem pretty good. I wasn't particularly impressed with what I saw of the new 310 to Yuma, it felt drawn-out and there was too much posturing and posing, even for a Western. Something was off about it, I am not sure what it was. When Clint Eastwood, or Charles Bronson or Lee Van Cleef are in a close-up or whatever in one of the classics, it feels right. When Christian Bale and Russel Crowe do almost the same thing in 310, it felt drawn out.
If the listmaker really thinks Tombstone is in the 25 Westerns then they are an idiot. It's a so-so movie that lacks any of the mythology that the Western builds on. It's influance has been zero. The only reason people add it to a list is because it's one of the few more modern westerns, so they've seen it.
It's not horrible. I'm not calling it a pile of steaming excrement, but it's not a movie that makes a 25 best list for a genre. It's an okay Western, but it suffers from a lack of mythology.
It's not a list of the most influential, it's a list of their favorites.
Jesus christ, just because it's an old western doesn't mean it should feel more "correct". It seems like the main reason people on these forums don't like that movie is because it's a remake and it's new. When it comes down to it the only problems it really has is the luke wilson scene, everything else is solid. It almost has a 90% on rottentomatoes so I know most people agree with me on this. I would like to see one really thought out detailed reason for it not being a solid movie.
The Proposition and Jesse James missing from that list is absurd though.
I'll forgive them for Tombstone for including The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.
That's the weird thing about that list is that it does have some of the great movies. Just includes two really odd choices.
Dean Martin is pretty underrated. The opening part where Martin is going for the silver dollar is almost heart breaking.
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My favorite Spaghetti Western is Death Rides a Horse. It's just cheap fun and I love John Philip Law in it. I wish he was in more movies.
I really love Glen Ford in the original 3:10 to Yuma. His shooting of his man to kill the stagecoach driver gives us a glimpse of his ruthlessness and then he spend the rest of the movie offering temptation to everyone. He's so charming that you wanna like him even as you realize the man is the devil.
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It kind of felt like the all the posing in the new 310 was wasting time.
This thread prompted me to make a new Amazon wishlist.
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