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CIV 5 THREAD: REJOICE MACLOSERS YOU CAN GET ON STEAM W/IT

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    FavlaudFavlaud just straight up awful Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
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    BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    The only sources of iron in my latest game were located in French territory, so I burned him to the ground with horseman.

    Time to settle in a science victory on my island with 3 maritime city-states.

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    NotASenatorNotASenator Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I'm playing India, going for a Science victory, just me on a very large island with one city state. Every one seems crowded, but I'm mostly staying out of their affairs.

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Bwahaha, stole 3 of washington's cities and razed one, then used my great general to throw down a citadel on the 1 tile choke that was separating his nation right before he counter attacks.

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    SupraluminalSupraluminal Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Kinda bored of this game. It's way, way too easy on Prince, and I don't really like the idea of letting the AI cheat as a means of increasing the difficulty. It's also starting to become clear that ICS is the dominant strategy by a huge margin for any victory condition other than cultural, so that's kinda lame.

    Hopefully it'll get patched and expanded and modded into a truly good game someday, but I don't think I'll be playing it very frequently in the near future.

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    What's ICS?

    Also if your ever going to play any strategy game against a CPU and want a challenge you just need to get use to them cheating. It's there in every game.

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    FerrusFerrus Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Infinite City Sprawl.

    Taking Liberty/Order and just placing cities everywhere. Since population = science and gold (through trading posts) you can become unstoppable if done right.

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Oh, yeah that's what I have been doing. With shared hapiness there doesn't seem to be much of a downside to just putting cities wherever.

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    NotASenatorNotASenator Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Hmm, demographics says I'm in last on a whole bunch of things, but I'm kicking ass on the science side.

    Looks like doing the exact opposite of ICS was not that great.

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    SupraluminalSupraluminal Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    TheStig wrote: »
    What's ICS?

    Also if your ever going to play any strategy game against a CPU and want a challenge you just need to get use to them cheating. It's there in every game.

    Yeah, as Ferrus said, ICS = Infinite City Sprawl. Basically Maritime food, various policies/wonders, and the economic mechanics of Civ V conspire to make near-constant city spamming (without any regards as to placement/terrain, no less) the hands-down best strategy in most cases. This game report by Sulla is a great example. Also check out the next one he's got posted, which he does as France.

    I know strategy-game AI usually is somewhat lackluster, but it's downright stupid in this game. Particularly when it comes to combat. It's not exactly terrible at diplomacy, just kind of sociopathic and weird.

    I have to say, though, I played Civ IV on Noble and found that to be a pretty decent challenge for me. Easy enough that I could win a comfortable majority of my games, but hard enough to be interesting. I haven't lost a game of Civ V on Prince yet, though to be fair I abandoned one that was going poorly. My very first game I won a science victory as India, without knowing jack about what I was doing.

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    MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    basically you're spamming cities or you're going for a cultural conquest

    of course, this does mark the first civ game during which there is a way to win with a limited number of cities

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    SupraluminalSupraluminal Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    basically you're spamming cities or you're going for a cultural conquest

    of course, this does mark the first civ game during which there is a way to win with a limited number of cities

    Eh, you can do well with a small empire in Civ IV, at least on Prince. Combat is harder, so it's more difficult to defend against a large, aggressive civ, but victory is certainly feasible. The last Civ IV game I played to completion was a cultural victory in which I only had 4 cities for nearly the entire game, with 2 more founded about 50 turns from the end. This was on a small fractal map, not duel-sized or anything - I was working with perhaps half as many cities as the AI civs.

    It's true though that the per-city social policy cost increase represents the most direct mechanical means of discouraging expansion in regards to a specific victory type that we've seen so far. The problem is that it's almost the only reason not to expand indefinitely; if you aren't going for a cultural win, it's simply outweighed by the benefits of city spam.

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    ASimPersonASimPerson Cold... and hard.Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Well, the question is then, how do you fix it? Do you increase the cost of city maintenance, or do you change happiness bonuses/penalties? Or both?

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Well my game just turned into a cluster fuck.

    Persia declared war on me, so I bribed rome into going to war with them. Well a few turns after that rome decided that they didn't like me very much and declared war on me. So now we're stuck in a 3 way slug fest, But at least I have 4 city-states on my side.

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    Slacker71Slacker71 subgenius RentonRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    The patch was porrly timed for my game.

    Steam decided to install the patch, and now it errors out when I try to load a pre-patch game.

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    FerrusFerrus Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    ASimPerson wrote: »
    Well, the question is then, how do you fix it? Do you increase the cost of city maintenance, or do you change happiness bonuses/penalties? Or both?

    Nerfing maritime city states would be the best bet I think. They're overpowered no matter how you play.

    There was a post on Civ Fanatics by someone who just tried to get the biggest city possible with granaries, MCS, hospitals etc. and he ended up with something like 45 pop.

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    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=392615

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    And Disney World is nowhere in sight.
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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Yeah I actually looked at the bonus for the first time yesterday and I couldn't believe it was +3 food to every city.

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    tofutofu Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    +3 to your capital and +2 to all other cities I thought?

    Overpowered either way though

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    CantideCantide Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    The bonus depends on what era you're in.

    I don't know if city-state bonuses really need to be nerfed. I think it would be OK if they just changed the AI so that the other civs made more of an effort to get them on their side. I also wish they would tinker with the city-state requests; it feels like 90% of the requests are to destroy other city-states, even when it doesn't match the requester's personality.

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    MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Cantide wrote: »
    The bonus depends on what era you're in.

    I don't know if city-state bonuses really need to be nerfed. I think it would be OK if they just changed the AI so that the other civs made more of an effort to get them on their side. I also wish they would tinker with the city-state requests; it feels like 90% of the requests are to destroy other city-states, even when it doesn't match the requester's personality.

    also, how the fuck do you develop a vendetta against another city-state that exists thousands of miles away in an era when "the world is round" is considered a dangerous concept?

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    FerrusFerrus Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Well what else is there to do for a city state that has a road and no barbarians around except kill each other and request the odd great person?

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    I would like to pause for a moment, to talk about my penis.
    My penis is like a toddler. A toddler—who is a perfectly normal size for his age—on a long road trip to what he thinks is Disney World. My penis is excited because he hasn’t been to Disney World in a long, long time, but remembers a time when he used to go every day. So now the penis toddler is constantly fidgeting, whining “Are we there yet? Are we there yet? How about now? Now? How about... now?”
    And Disney World is nowhere in sight.
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    BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    tofu wrote: »
    +3 to your capital and +2 to all other cities I thought?

    Overpowered either way though

    +4 to your capital, +2 to other cities which is then doubled when you enter the Renaissance Era, I think.

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    MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Ferrus wrote: »
    Well what else is there to do for a city state that has a road and no barbarians around except kill each other and request the odd great person?

    attempt to figure out refrigeration or something?

    like

    their research is basically tied to the real civs, right?

    you'd think they would show a little gratitude for like, sanitation or the fucking wheel

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    OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Cantide wrote: »
    The bonus depends on what era you're in.

    I don't know if city-state bonuses really need to be nerfed. I think it would be OK if they just changed the AI so that the other civs made more of an effort to get them on their side. I also wish they would tinker with the city-state requests; it feels like 90% of the requests are to destroy other city-states, even when it doesn't match the requester's personality.

    Seriously, at some point I have to be bribing them with gold because the alternative is to eliminate half of all the city-states

    They need a wider base of city-state requests at the very least

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    FavlaudFavlaud just straight up awful Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Truthfully I just wish they would fix things like people declaring war on me and then the other civs calling me warmonger and shit

    i didn't do anything, assholes

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Well, to be fair to the game, we do that shit in real life too :P

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    FavlaudFavlaud just straight up awful Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    My biggest problem is that when the games are as long as they are, I can lose track of what I wanted to do from the beginning and make poor decisions that bite me later in the game

    This game I was playing as Germany and I wanted to get my last complete policy track, Autocracy, on a large continent map

    Only to figure out later that Autocracy is really best for smaller empires, and smaller empires don't do well on large maps, especially naval-oriented ones

    so I tried to get a cultural victory about mid-late game, when I wasn't set up for it at all, and by the end of the game (2035 or so is when I quit) I had 3/5 complete tracks, a shitty economy, unhappy citizens, no army, and France closing in on my borders

    so ehhhh next time I can be a bit more expansionist

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    IvarIvar Oslo, NorwayRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    It seems that unless you're going for a cultural victory, you'll do pretty well in any other victories if you just start the game by murdering everyone

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    FavlaudFavlaud just straight up awful Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Basically freedom and order are two of the best policies out there with a few exceptions

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    FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Anyone else buy the DLC pack that just came out?

    gonna play me some BABYLON

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    MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Did it just update? I got a "Steam has finished downloading" message.

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    ToastlyToastly Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Mongols are broken for me

    every time I build a second city, I can't build anything there.

    GOD DAMN IT PLAYTEST THIS SHIT BEFORE YOU RELEASE IT

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    goddamnit I swear to god romo

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    IvarIvar Oslo, NorwayRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    All my old (bugged to hell and back) savegames crashes the game when I try to load them now, after the patch. Guess I'll start over... again

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    ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    Did it just update? I got a "Steam has finished downloading" message.

    I presume they have to keep multiplayer updated for the DLC civs.

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    BedlamBedlam Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Scooter wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    Did it just update? I got a "Steam has finished downloading" message.

    I presume they have to keep multiplayer updated for the DLC civs.
    Mongol DLC is free though.

    So yeah everyone has to update :P

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    Tommy2HandsTommy2Hands what is this where am i Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    So this just came out for macs recently

    is anyone still playing it? :c

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I haven't played since about two weeks after it came out. Have they fixed it yet?

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    ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Man I've only played one game of this.

    I should uh.. play again

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    IvarIvar Oslo, NorwayRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    A bit now and then, but not very much.

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