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A Shock Doctrine

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I want to go to college and just stay in college and read everything and learn everything

    yes, this
    I agree with this so very much


    and then ACT on it

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    HellaJeffHellaJeff FAB FRESH RAIIINBOOWWWWWRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I live in a place where news companies are more successful and praised by discussing shock stories and extremely rare incidents over major political movements or events that actually influence individuals

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    CrashmoCrashmo Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    No, I used that as an example specifically because it is such a silly thing

    At least you realize you are dumb, which puts you ahead of a lot of people

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    undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    i just make sure my grass doesnt get too high

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    DodgeBlanDodgeBlan PSN: dodgeblanRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    you don't need to go to college anyway. You can learn pretty much everything with the internet and a good library.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Antimatter wrote: »
    I want to go to college and just stay in college and read everything and learn everything

    yes, this
    I agree with this so very much


    and then ACT on it

    Woah hey woah!

    Acting?

    Let's not be too hasty here!

    Solar on
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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Antimatter wrote: »
    Do you know what sucks about being young or maybe it has nothing to do with being young, I'm just stupid and gullible

    But whenever I hear stuff spoken with authority, I believe it. Like I'll watch a movie like Zeitgeist and because I don't know anything else and this is new information and it is presented in an authoritative manner I just go "Look at all the things I'm learning!!!" and I don't know how to fact check it and when I stop to think

    I don't know if anything I know is correct!

    I feel a similar way, up to a point

    There's some things that I know are just right, and then there are things I'll believe without an ounce of doubt

    ofc worth keeping in mind that the things you "know are just right" are probably the things most deserving of clear-headed analysis

    well, I'm reasonably sure that all people should have equal rights regardless of race, sex, orientation, or gender identity :|

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    Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    18-year-olds all tired of being lied to so they just decide for the rest of their lives what they are gonna believe in

    yet still raging at homophobic seniors

    ???

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    I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    It was crazy, the moment I realized that everyone who had ever told me I was smart was wrong, and that I'm dumb as shit

    I've figured out that I retain information well, but I am garbage at critical thinking. Like christ do not ever let me try and discuss literature or film or you will see the retarded abyss that is my brain

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I do get your point, Shank

    it'd be idiotic to make up your mind on a subject and never be shaken, no matter what logical, factual evidence is provided

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    Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Antimatter wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    Do you know what sucks about being young or maybe it has nothing to do with being young, I'm just stupid and gullible

    But whenever I hear stuff spoken with authority, I believe it. Like I'll watch a movie like Zeitgeist and because I don't know anything else and this is new information and it is presented in an authoritative manner I just go "Look at all the things I'm learning!!!" and I don't know how to fact check it and when I stop to think

    I don't know if anything I know is correct!

    I feel a similar way, up to a point

    There's some things that I know are just right, and then there are things I'll believe without an ounce of doubt

    ofc worth keeping in mind that the things you "know are just right" are probably the things most deserving of clear-headed analysis

    well, I'm reasonably sure that all people should have equal rights regardless of race, sex, orientation, or gender identity :|

    well sure

    but it's worth thinking about why you believe that, and why you think you ought to continue believing that

    even (or especially) things that seem morally imperative deserve to be picked apart and put back together with better understanding

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    When you get a little older and you realise that your belief system is dumb as shit and you change it, that is a pleasant moment.

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    It was crazy, the moment I realized that everyone who had ever told me I was smart was wrong, and that I'm dumb as shit

    I've figured out that I retain information well, but I am garbage at critical thinking. Like christ do not ever let me try and discuss literature or film or you will see the retarded abyss that is my brain
    I can sympathize

    I'm capable of critical thinking to a small degree, but I'm a fucking walking database when it comes to random information

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    It was crazy, the moment I realized that everyone who had ever told me I was smart was wrong, and that I'm dumb as shit

    I've figured out that I retain information well, but I am garbage at critical thinking. Like christ do not ever let me try and discuss literature or film or you will see the retarded abyss that is my brain

    welcome to the endless quest of realizing you're wrong and self-educating and realizing the flaws in that and attempting to correct them

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    also swordfights, go watch that youtube video

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Koshian wrote: »
    i believe you can't have social equality without economic equality, to be 100% honest!!

    to be 100% honest, I don't think you can have either

    Solar on
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    Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    there is no moment at which one should consign to, for the rest of one's life, take anything about one's thoughts or environment for granted

    you don't need to be questioning everything at every moment, of course

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    I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Antimatter wrote: »
    It was crazy, the moment I realized that everyone who had ever told me I was smart was wrong, and that I'm dumb as shit

    I've figured out that I retain information well, but I am garbage at critical thinking. Like christ do not ever let me try and discuss literature or film or you will see the retarded abyss that is my brain
    I can sympathize

    I'm capable of critical thinking to a small degree, but I'm a fucking walking database when it comes to random information
    Oh it isn't, random

    I soak it all up, relevant or not. But the actual amount of it I can say I actually understand is a good 12% of what I "know"

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Langly wrote: »
    I dont See how it was blatantly illegal? It is horrible and underhanded and a dick move, but the rules requiring a quorum are only those which spend money. So they just made a new small bill only concerned with the worker's rights but doesn't spend money. That isn't illegal, it's just sneaky politics.

    The Dems claim it still violates other rules including a 24-hour notice before meetings. It does appear however that they can pass non-budgetary law without the quorum which is partially why those that fled have returned or are returning.

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    LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Koshian wrote: »
    i believe you can't have social equality without economic equality, to be 100% honest!!

    Wooo, state mandated living allowances for all!

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Koshian wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    Koshian wrote: »
    i believe you can't have social equality without economic equality, to be 100% honest!!

    to be 100% honest, I don't think you can have either
    defeatism is lazy.

    Idealism is pointless

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    I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    also swordfights, go watch that youtube video

    Right when I get home, Jim

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    feynman looks like clint eastwood here

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMDTcMD6pOw&feature=related

    which is fitting because he's a badass

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    Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Antimatter wrote: »
    It was crazy, the moment I realized that everyone who had ever told me I was smart was wrong, and that I'm dumb as shit

    I've figured out that I retain information well, but I am garbage at critical thinking. Like christ do not ever let me try and discuss literature or film or you will see the retarded abyss that is my brain
    I can sympathize

    I'm capable of critical thinking to a small degree, but I'm a fucking walking database when it comes to random information
    Oh it isn't, random

    I soak it all up, relevant or not. But the actual amount of it I can say I actually understand is a good 12% of what I "know"

    this is, of course, a pretty clear symptom of spending a lot of time on the internet

    I don't mean this as a personal criticism--I will go through periods being totally off or totally on the internet myself, and I can feel the course and capabilities of my thoughts changing as I do so.

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    LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Koshian wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Koshian wrote: »
    i believe you can't have social equality without economic equality, to be 100% honest!!

    Wooo, state mandated living allowances for all!

    why does this have to involve a state. good job attributing positive liberty to statism though?

    Privately-run living allowance distributors for all!

    LTM on
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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Antimatter wrote: »
    It was crazy, the moment I realized that everyone who had ever told me I was smart was wrong, and that I'm dumb as shit

    I've figured out that I retain information well, but I am garbage at critical thinking. Like christ do not ever let me try and discuss literature or film or you will see the retarded abyss that is my brain
    I can sympathize

    I'm capable of critical thinking to a small degree, but I'm a fucking walking database when it comes to random information
    Oh it isn't, random

    I soak it all up, relevant or not. But the actual amount of it I can say I actually understand is a good 12% of what I "know"
    I feel like I understand a bit more than that, but what sticks in my brain isn't always things I want to be in my brain
    I'm horrible with foreign language classes thus far, but I can definitely remember assorted other things, for example

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Koshian wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    Koshian wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    Koshian wrote: »
    i believe you can't have social equality without economic equality, to be 100% honest!!

    to be 100% honest, I don't think you can have either
    defeatism is lazy.

    Idealism is pointless

    sitting around saying what won't work is pointless. idealism at least gets some people out and doing something.

    I never said we should never do anything...

    Hey, wait a minute!

    This is one of your "if you don't agree with me you must entirely disagree with me" moments isn't it!

    You nearly had me!

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    and of course doing something, even if it makes things worse, is what matters!

    unless you're doing something to be practical instead of due to ideals, then you're doing something for the wrong reason.

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    FirmSkaterFirmSkater Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    It was crazy, the moment I realized that everyone who had ever told me I was smart was wrong, and that I'm dumb as shit

    I've figured out that I retain information well, but I am garbage at critical thinking. Like christ do not ever let me try and discuss literature or film or you will see the retarded abyss that is my brain

    I think I am the same way.

    Coupled with the fact that I have a very hard making sure that things I write are clear.

    I decided to take a rhetoric class for my last quarter of undergrad. Maybe it will help with that? I'm not sure.

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    LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Koshian wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Koshian wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Koshian wrote: »
    i believe you can't have social equality without economic equality, to be 100% honest!!

    Wooo, state mandated living allowances for all!

    why does this have to involve a state. good job attributing positive liberty to statism though?

    Privately-run living allowance distributors for all!

    no, not this either. its weird that you think the only alternative to the state is private business though.

    Gay-mandated living allowances for all!

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    Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    koshian this would be a lot faster if you would establish what you do believe in instead of just pointing out the aspects of others' ideas that you don't

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I feel really fucking thick, a lot of the time

    I make every effort to try to correct that

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    SnowbeatSnowbeat i need something to kick this thing's ass over the lineRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    i'm going to be in this hermetically sealed box with tossrock waiting for the singularity bye

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    FirmSkaterFirmSkater Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    LTM wrote: »
    Koshian wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Koshian wrote: »
    i believe you can't have social equality without economic equality, to be 100% honest!!

    Wooo, state mandated living allowances for all!

    why does this have to involve a state. good job attributing positive liberty to statism though?

    Privately-run living allowance distributors for all!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

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    I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    FirmSkater wrote: »
    It was crazy, the moment I realized that everyone who had ever told me I was smart was wrong, and that I'm dumb as shit

    I've figured out that I retain information well, but I am garbage at critical thinking. Like christ do not ever let me try and discuss literature or film or you will see the retarded abyss that is my brain

    I think I am the same way.

    Coupled with the fact that I have a very hard making sure that things I write are clear.

    I decided to take a rhetoric class for my last quarter of undergrad. Maybe it will help with that? I'm not sure.
    I think being an eloquent speaker is my greatest asset.

    I'll write myself into a circle, but speech is a medium in which I can appear knowledgeable and charismatic.

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    Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I think learning to spend time alone

    and not "in a room on the internet" alone but legitimately alone

    can be a very good way to become a better thinker

    it sounds obvious, but people don't do it

    you need to acquaint yourself with your thought processes before you can become adept at "fixing" them.

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    FirmSkater wrote: »
    It was crazy, the moment I realized that everyone who had ever told me I was smart was wrong, and that I'm dumb as shit

    I've figured out that I retain information well, but I am garbage at critical thinking. Like christ do not ever let me try and discuss literature or film or you will see the retarded abyss that is my brain

    I think I am the same way.

    Coupled with the fact that I have a very hard making sure that things I write are clear.

    I decided to take a rhetoric class for my last quarter of undergrad. Maybe it will help with that? I'm not sure.
    I think being an eloquent speaker is my greatest asset.

    I'll write myself into a circle, but speech is a medium in which I can appear knowledgeable and charismatic.
    basically, this
    give me some information, I may not understand it perfectly, but I can LOOK like I do

    I can be convincing, I can be excited about it, and if I'm not stuttering or talking too fast, as I do on occasion, I'm fine

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    FirmSkater wrote: »
    It was crazy, the moment I realized that everyone who had ever told me I was smart was wrong, and that I'm dumb as shit

    I've figured out that I retain information well, but I am garbage at critical thinking. Like christ do not ever let me try and discuss literature or film or you will see the retarded abyss that is my brain

    I think I am the same way.

    Coupled with the fact that I have a very hard making sure that things I write are clear.

    I decided to take a rhetoric class for my last quarter of undergrad. Maybe it will help with that? I'm not sure.
    I think being an eloquent speaker is my greatest asset.

    I'll write myself into a circle, but speech is a medium in which I can appear knowledgeable and charismatic.
    it's a lot easier to appear to argue well in speech because you can't look back over things you've said

    in writing, you have to be rigorous with every aspect of your argument

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    SnowbeatSnowbeat i need something to kick this thing's ass over the lineRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    ..!

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    Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Koshian wrote: »
    actually i think libertarian socialism is a bit of a lazy cop-out. especially given that chomsky believes that its the natural extension of enlightenment ideals

    its a rotten system to start with and i don't think i can trust a system that is based on them..!

    koshian

    buddy

    please just say what you do believe in

    otherwise we are going to have 93 pages of people getting your ideology wrong which doesn't sound very fun for anyone, but you least of all!!

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