actually i think libertarian socialism is a bit of a lazy cop-out. especially given that chomsky believes that its the natural extension of enlightenment ideals
its a rotten system to start with and i don't think i can trust a system that is based on them..!
It was crazy, the moment I realized that everyone who had ever told me I was smart was wrong, and that I'm dumb as shit
I've figured out that I retain information well, but I am garbage at critical thinking. Like christ do not ever let me try and discuss literature or film or you will see the retarded abyss that is my brain
I think I am the same way.
Coupled with the fact that I have a very hard making sure that things I write are clear.
I decided to take a rhetoric class for my last quarter of undergrad. Maybe it will help with that? I'm not sure.
I think being an eloquent speaker is my greatest asset.
I'll write myself into a circle, but speech is a medium in which I can appear knowledgeable and charismatic.
it's a lot easier to appear to argue well in speech because you can't look back over things you've said
in writing, you have to be rigorous with every aspect of your argument
I just watched the video. I honestly don't feel like I'm capable of expressing my feelings about it, other than I'm glad I watched it, because I think I've figured something out in the way that I think and receive and process information.
It was crazy, the moment I realized that everyone who had ever told me I was smart was wrong, and that I'm dumb as shit
I've figured out that I retain information well, but I am garbage at critical thinking. Like christ do not ever let me try and discuss literature or film or you will see the retarded abyss that is my brain
I think I am the same way.
Coupled with the fact that I have a very hard making sure that things I write are clear.
I decided to take a rhetoric class for my last quarter of undergrad. Maybe it will help with that? I'm not sure.
I think being an eloquent speaker is my greatest asset.
I'll write myself into a circle, but speech is a medium in which I can appear knowledgeable and charismatic.
it's a lot easier to appear to argue well in speech because you can't look back over things you've said
in writing, you have to be rigorous with every aspect of your argument
I just watched the video. I honestly don't feel like I'm capable of expressing my feelings about it, other than I'm glad I watched it, because I think I've figured something out in the way that I think and receive and process information.
instead of talking about what kind of theoretical model works the best
We (and by I mean, you know, people in discourse etc) actually, you know, engage with the practicalities of life
So rather than saying "this system is best we should totally use this"
Instead
We could think of things which actually have a chance of happening
And work from there
without theory we have no way of looking at things from a viewpoint that isn't saturated with received knowledge of how the world works
radical change happens through theory, because if it happened through realistic viewpoints there's no chance for paradigmatic shift
Well theory is great up to a point
but it generally has problems in that usually they are just theories which tend to not survive contact with reality all that well. It's all very easy to think up a model, but you can be sure that you have missed a factor because you can't see it or because it's not there yet yadda yadda yadda.
And b) sometimes people can become very attached to theories, and are unwilling to accept that they might be unworkable, or unrealistic or so on. So theories can be good but people can start to champion them and not become prepared to deal with the practicalities. They do not lend well to compromise.
EDIT: Alright I'll accept wha I said was not entirely meritable.
That said unrealistic ideals in politics irritate me, because these people might stand a better chance if they actually said something which people might listen too.
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this picture made me want to put my head through a wall
actually i think libertarian socialism is a bit of a lazy cop-out. especially given that chomsky believes that its the natural extension of enlightenment ideals
its a rotten system to start with and i don't think i can trust a system that is based on them..!
Bah-zing.
I don't think Kosh was trying to come down on me or anything like that. (Koshian can correct me on that if thats not true)
If I had to guess though I would probably say Kosh subscribes to something a little more politically complex. Liberatrian socialism is a pretty simple and problem filled idea. I would honestly like to hear what the other solution is but I'm betting its not a very forum-friendly idea.
And by that I mean its probably way better suited for a huge paper or something and less for a wikipedia article.
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instead of talking about what kind of theoretical model works the best
We (and by I mean, you know, people in discourse etc) actually, you know, engage with the practicalities of life
So rather than saying "this system is best we should totally use this"
Instead
We could think of things which actually have a chance of happening
And work from there
without theory we have no way of looking at things from a viewpoint that isn't saturated with received knowledge of how the world works
radical change happens through theory, because if it happened through realistic viewpoints there's no chance for paradigmatic shift
Well theory is great up to a point
but it generally has problems in that usually they are just theories which tend to not survive contact with reality all that well. It's all very easy to think up a model, but you can be sure that you have missed a factor because you can't see it or because it's not there yet yadda yadda yadda.
And b) sometimes people can become very attached to theories, and are unwilling to accept that they might be unworkable, or unrealistic or so on. So theories can be good but people can start to champion them and not become prepared to deal with the practicalities. They do not lend well to compromise.
EDIT: Alright I'll accept wha I said was not entirely meritable.
That said unrealistic ideals in politics irritate me, because these people might stand a better chance if they actually said something which people might listen too.
so exclusively realist or theoretical thinking are untenable? colour me surprised
instead of talking about what kind of theoretical model works the best
We (and by I mean, you know, people in discourse etc) actually, you know, engage with the practicalities of life
So rather than saying "this system is best we should totally use this"
Instead
We could think of things which actually have a chance of happening
And work from there
without theory we have no way of looking at things from a viewpoint that isn't saturated with received knowledge of how the world works
radical change happens through theory, because if it happened through realistic viewpoints there's no chance for paradigmatic shift
Well theory is great up to a point
but it generally has problems in that usually they are just theories which tend to not survive contact with reality all that well. It's all very easy to think up a model, but you can be sure that you have missed a factor because you can't see it or because it's not there yet yadda yadda yadda.
And b) sometimes people can become very attached to theories, and are unwilling to accept that they might be unworkable, or unrealistic or so on. So theories can be good but people can start to champion them and not become prepared to deal with the practicalities. They do not lend well to compromise.
EDIT: Alright I'll accept wha I said was not entirely meritable.
That said unrealistic ideals in politics irritate me, because these people might stand a better chance if they actually said something which people might listen too.
so exclusively realist or theoretical thinking are untenable? colour me surprised
Sorry? Could you re-phrase?
I was simply saying that sometimes people can be overly theoretical about politics.
Sometimes you need to think about what you can actually do
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Bah-zing.
instead of talking about what kind of theoretical model works the best
We (and by I mean, you know, people in discourse etc) actually, you know, engage with the practicalities of life
So rather than saying "this system is best we should totally use this"
Instead
We could think of things which actually have a chance of happening
And work from there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDvu6wz9qF4&feature=related
maybe because a priori arguments are, by definition, not determined by phenomena?
true conscious and intelligent action must descend from noumenalities
that was in fact him
e: Feynman is awesome, Orik, I've never had a chance to see his vids before
without theory we have no way of looking at things from a viewpoint that isn't saturated with received knowledge of how the world works
radical change happens through theory, because if it happened through realistic viewpoints there's no chance for paradigmatic shift
can you imagine gettin blown by that beard
Seriously. What is with that?
never wasted time
Thank you, Orikae.
ayup
Well not really but if that had been the reason for it I'd have been right behind them
cancelling for 5 now, reason: bad puns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhqUk28OwHs
Well theory is great up to a point
but it generally has problems in that usually they are just theories which tend to not survive contact with reality all that well. It's all very easy to think up a model, but you can be sure that you have missed a factor because you can't see it or because it's not there yet yadda yadda yadda.
And b) sometimes people can become very attached to theories, and are unwilling to accept that they might be unworkable, or unrealistic or so on. So theories can be good but people can start to champion them and not become prepared to deal with the practicalities. They do not lend well to compromise.
EDIT: Alright I'll accept wha I said was not entirely meritable.
That said unrealistic ideals in politics irritate me, because these people might stand a better chance if they actually said something which people might listen too.
this picture made me want to put my head through a wall
faux intellectual bullshit
I don't think Kosh was trying to come down on me or anything like that. (Koshian can correct me on that if thats not true)
If I had to guess though I would probably say Kosh subscribes to something a little more politically complex. Liberatrian socialism is a pretty simple and problem filled idea. I would honestly like to hear what the other solution is but I'm betting its not a very forum-friendly idea.
And by that I mean its probably way better suited for a huge paper or something and less for a wikipedia article.
Fandy it's true if you pump up your INT enough your physical resistance increases too
It's a bug in the system
Feynman was a baller dude. One of the next books I want to read is: http://www.amazon.com/Classic-Feynman-Adventures-Curious-Character/dp/0393061329
Like I just opened the door that will lead me to success and understanding
I feel so excited, now
I've embraced the fact that I am an idiot and now I want to spend the rest of my life knocking that right off
so exclusively realist or theoretical thinking are untenable? colour me surprised
fapfapfap
sorry for being a bitch to you a lot
Orikae you are spelling things the British way
We have infected you, I am so sorry
welcome to the ranks of the intellectual elite, prepare for your weekly roman shower from the collective news anchors of fox news
<- canadian
i think it's true, though. what you're pissed about is the way it's delivered
<- is aware of that
Ah crap my arrow doesn't line up at all
I hope you're happy
Sorry? Could you re-phrase?
I was simply saying that sometimes people can be overly theoretical about politics.
Sometimes you need to think about what you can actually do
yeah, pretty much
i am just so tired of smug crap like that
feynman, quit being amazing, i'm tryin ta get shit done
Why?
so people know you are Legit