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Nintendo fans launching massive campaign to get Wii RPGs localized, Reggie laughs
Boycotts accomplish nothing. Maybe they make you feel better morally, but if there weren't enough people preordering Xenoblade and leaving comments on every site Nintendo operates, there won't be enough boycotters to make any significant dent.
In this case you could use the same argument in reverse, too: buy as many Nintendo RPGs as you can to try to get them to take a hint. But neither this nor boycotting will make a difference.
mntorankusuI'm not sure how to use this thing....Registered Userregular
edited June 2011
Call it a boycott or whatever, but it's more like if they're not going to bother to release the games they make, why the hell would I buy the game systems? So I can spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars to not play them?
If anyone actually cares about this, stop buying Nintendo products.
That probably wouldn't help either, but just complaining about it while continuing to buy their products sure as shit won't.
I'm going to link you a nice post I happened across.
Before this outcome, I said earlier in the thread that boycotting was pointless.
It's pointless.
There's no point in not buying a good game and just punishing that game and the people who made it because you can't buy yet another good game that you also wanted. Two wrongs don't make a right.
But ethics aside, the practical matter is that no, you can't really get an outraged army together to boycott in a way that will be directly effective. I said from the start this effort should not be about threatening Nintendo with Consequences (tm) should they fail to bow to demands, but getting the message out to see if they actually cared.
See, here's how I think it really works.
You may as well get the life that's left out of your Wii. Buy Zelda, etc. You're a gamer; go game. Anything else is pretense.
Buying or not buying Zelda or Mario or Kirby won't make or break Nintendo. It won't teach them a lesson they are capable of understanding now.
But by failing to capitalize more on the core, and the hardcore, Nintendo is restricting their own future. That's how these things are always settled. In the long run. By not seeding new franchises like Xenoblade and The Last Story, Nintendo is restricting the number of new people who take notice and become fans. This is an organic situation and eventually corrects itself. The number of core fans they have will fail to grow from generation to generation. It's the lack of growth that will eventually force your hand. Nothing else will.
Raging at NOA, while understandable, is ultimately misguided. Nintendo is controlled by the Mothership. The Mothership is still trying to carefully construct and manufacture a market and a userbase like a bonsai tree. They're being extremely Japanese in a world where being extremely Japanese is no longer an effective tactic. Hell, I feel sorry for them; I really do. I imagine they're quietly, slowly panicking, unable to adapt even as they see the environment changing around them. Because adapting goes against their codified identity and DNA.
Wii U is where you should make your stand, if you feel the need to send a message. That's where one should hold off, before actually investing money in the platform itself, if you don't see the right motions from Nintendo.
It's the generational transitions where companies learn and are forced to adapt.
So there ya go. It was never about boycotting.
EDIT: I mean, it's very much akin to the argument used by people who pirate. Game not coming out? Durr, time to get it illegally!
I never planned on buying the 3DS, Wii U, or their crappy ports anyway.
Then I'm afraid my dear friend, you never factored into the equation.
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"Did ya hear the one about the mussel that wanted to purchase Valve? Seems like the bivalve had a juicy offer on the table but the company flat-out refused and decided to immediately clam up!"
So where do I go to import the EU version of Xenoblade?
I think Amazon UK ships overseas, but only if it comes from them. Most Amazon sellers I've seen don't ship outside Europe. If I'm wrong and Amazon doesn't work there's gameplay.co.uk. I used them back when I wanted Tales of Eternia on PSP and had no problems.
By the by, incidents like this are precisely why people were so upset about the region locking on the 3DS, a sticking point that I remember many posters here and in other places trying to rationalize as "not really a big deal." The barriers to entry on importing DS and GBA games were completely erased, but now with the Wii and (eventually) the 3DS, it'll be a more involved process that means a good number of people won't even get to experience it at all. I haven't hacked the Wii for anything yet, but I was always mildly curious about Another Code R.
Ding ding ding. And I bet you'll find some correlation between those who said 3DS region locking wasn't a problem and those who're saying now "well you can import it."
I'll be honest, it's that lackadaisical nonchalant smug attitude that gets my goat more than anything Nintendo could ever do (or in this case, not do). Funny you should mention message boards, because everyone on one seems to harbor such a front.
It's what happens to every platform holder when they're in the lead. Sony's still holding onto the attitude they cultivated during the PS2's heyday.
It's what happens to every platform holder when they're in the lead. Sony's still holding onto the attitude they cultivated during the PS2's heyday.
I meant the attitude being expressed in that particular post. Whoopsy!
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edited June 2011
Effective or not, I'm sure not throwing money at a company that gives its fans the finger. There's nothing I'm interested in on either console, anyway.
Effective or not, I'm sure not throwing money at a company that gives its fans the finger. There's nothing I'm interested in on either console, anyway.
But the point is, you were never going to do so in the first place. You aren't a customer--you aren't even a potential customer--and your comments/actions make it sound like you never will be one. So why should a company, not just Nintendo, even focus on you? See what I mean?
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edited June 2011
I'm not buying a Wii U unless I can play imported games on it.
Until today, I was going to buy a Wii U.
It's not about software, I'll keep buying games for the hardware I own. But I'm not going to buy hardware knowing that Nintendo isn't going to support it, even when they've been given every reason to do so.
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Effective or not, I'm sure not throwing money at a company that gives its fans the finger. There's nothing I'm interested in on either console, anyway.
But the point is, you were never going to do so in the first place. You aren't a customer--you aren't even a potential customer--and your comments/actions make it sound like you never will be one. So why should a company, not just Nintendo, even focus on you? See what I mean?
I still own and support the Wii, so moves like this are highly disrespectful to the Wii fanbase.
I don't know what he's planning, but on Chris Kohler's twitter:
Send pics of your dusty Wii controllers to wiredkohler@gmail along with your stories of empty-Wii syndrome and we will run a gallery of them
I am half-tempted to send a picture of my remote and nunchuks that are unopened and still in their original packaging with the reciept showing they were bought in 2008.
Effective or not, I'm sure not throwing money at a company that gives its fans the finger. There's nothing I'm interested in on either console, anyway.
But the point is, you were never going to do so in the first place. You aren't a customer--you aren't even a potential customer--and your comments/actions make it sound like you never will be one. So why should a company, not just Nintendo, even focus on you? See what I mean?
I'll be honest, it's that lackadaisical nonchalant smug attitude that gets my goat more than anything Nintendo could ever do (or in this case, not do). Funny you should mention message boards, because everyone on one seems to harbor such a front.
Don't mind me; I'm just a cynical, jaded fucker. :P I spent way too much time years ago handwringing about how what messages my purchases were sending and how I would shape the industry by voting with my wallet, and now I feel it was all wasted time. (It was primarily about the Wii, anyway, so I suppose my cynicism over Nintendo is also in part a variation on the "jilted lover" trope.) I said similar things when people were raging about the principles of not going back to support Sony after the whole PSN clusterfuck; the only practical change I made was moving solely to prepaid cards, but beyond that I'll keep buying the stuff I want (so long as it's for sale, anyway!) because I know that I'm a pretty niche dude, all said and done.
Luckily for me, it was all about getting another set of games I was glad to pay money for. I'm not about to stop paying for games actually coming out that I do want to play, just that now this particular set will be regulated to irregular means (i.e. importing).
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I don't know what he's planning, but on Chris Kohler's twitter:
Send pics of your dusty Wii controllers to wiredkohler@gmail along with your stories of empty-Wii syndrome and we will run a gallery of them
I am half-tempted to send a picture of my remote and nunchuks that are unopened and still in their original packaging with the reciept showing they were bought in 2008.
I bet 1Up would be down with making a section of the site dedicated to that.
Even sending all those pics to Game Informer, just keep the message to Nintendo going.
Xenoblade might not be coming out in America, but it managed to find its way into my Amazon Goldbox Quick Picks on today of all days giving me a brief glimmer of hope. I guess that's my punishment for not pre-ordering it
Maybe they're just trying to eek out as much free advertising as they can before confirming the games are indeed coming out. This whole incident sure brought these games to my attention.
I feel bad for groups that do this, don't get me wrong, I applaud the effort tremendously. However, they eventually end up only hurting themselves.
Demands presented in this manner are not usually met with positive response. In fact, anyone worth his own name knows that if you produce the desired request, you've open the door for more and more, and it's time consuming. Easier to ignore and move on.
Companies are not our friends and they owe us nothing.
As much as I'd like to see these games get a US release, I can't begrudge Nintendo for not doing so.
They wouldn't make money. Marketing costs, production costs, localization costs in the case of The Last Story and Pandora's Tower, the weak US dollar, the niche JRPG market (in general, but especially on Wii),; all of it adds up to a series of releases that might not make back the money it would cost to bring them here.
I could still see Xenoblade getting a US release thanks to the announced European version, but I think it might be time to give up hope on the other two.
Ohh damn, I didn't even realize there was another thread for this.
Well, like I said in the other one, I am on board. I am a former nintendo fan furious about how badly they mishandled software (both first and third party) on the Wii, and pissed that their new systems are going to cost $$$TEXAS because of some "innovations" that will end up just as infrequently used as the motionplus or the DS's touch screen.
Additionally, I accidentally spent a $20 gift credit on my Monado preorder, so fuck nintendo even harder.
I'm not so sure they would, honestly. The Tales of Symphonia sequel (Dawn of the New World) on the Wii only sold like 250,000 copies in the West, didn't it? The poor sales numbers from that title (and Tales of Vesperia) led to Namco scaling back its international releases for the series to nil. Tales of Graces came out on both the Wii and the PS3, yet neither version is coming stateside. And Dawn of the New World was a direct sequel to a very popular and well selling Gamecube game, while all three of these are new IPs (with some big names attached, granted).
I wish we knew what the best selling third party titles on the Wii have been since people stopped caring about it in 2009.
Because I bet they're all pretty low.
Edit: America and Europe only, of course. I don't want no crazy monster hunter shit skewing everything. Or The Last Story, because that would be so counter-intuitive.
I'm not so sure they would, honestly. The Tales of Symphonia sequel (Dawn of the New World) on the Wii only sold like 250,000 copies in the West, didn't it? The poor sales numbers from that title (and Tales of Vesperia) led to Namco scaling back its international releases for the series to nil. Tales of Graces came out on both the Wii and the PS3, yet neither version is coming stateside. And Dawn of the New World was a direct sequel to a very popular and well selling Gamecube game, while all three of these are new IPs (with some big names attached, granted).
Err..Tales of Graces F is coming stateside. Again, NoA is making Namco look good.
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(So was Tales of Graces from what I hear from sources that aren't Famitsu.)
But for years the "Tales of..." series was a staple in the RPG market and now... it isn't. In America anyway. There have been a bazillon Tales games in Japan over the last three years, but most of them have been side stories or what ifs instead of main series entries.
I think other companies see the reluctance of Namco and other publishers to release console JRPGs in America and it makes them nervous.
I'm not so sure they would, honestly. The Tales of Symphonia sequel (Dawn of the New World) on the Wii only sold like 250,000 copies in the West, didn't it? The poor sales numbers from that title (and Tales of Vesperia) led to Namco scaling back its international releases for the series to nil. Tales of Graces came out on both the Wii and the PS3, yet neither version is coming stateside. And Dawn of the New World was a direct sequel to a very popular and well selling Gamecube game, while all three of these are new IPs (with some big names attached, granted).
Err..Tales of Graces F is coming stateside. Again, NoA is making Namco look good.
The disregard that, I'm an idiot.
What the fuck, 2012? The Wii version came out in 2009, the PS3 version at the end of 2010 and the US version won't see the states until "sometime in 2012?" Pessimist hat back on. I wonder how long they'll list it at TBA 2012 until they quietly cancel it.
I wish we knew what the best selling third party titles on the Wii have been since people stopped caring about it in 2009.
Because I bet they're all pretty low.
Edit: America and Europe only, of course. I don't want no crazy monster hunter shit skewing everything. Or The Last Story, because that would be so counter-intuitive.
As of March 2011, there are 103 Wii video games that have sold over 1 million units.[1]
This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by expanding it with reliably sourced entries.
* Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (7.09 million)[6]
* Just Dance 2 (5 million)[7]
* Just Dance (4.3 million)[9]
* Michael Jackson: The Experience (2 million)[7]
* Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (2 million)[10]*
* Deca Sports (2 million shipped)[11]
* Game Party (2 million shipped)[12]
I've separated out the first party games, and there are more third party games further on down the list, but the next entry immediately following Game Party is Monster Hunter Tri, so I stopped thinking this was enough to answer your question/wish.
I wish we knew what the best selling third party titles on the Wii have been since people stopped caring about it in 2009.
Because I bet they're all pretty low.
Edit: America and Europe only, of course. I don't want no crazy monster hunter shit skewing everything. Or The Last Story, because that would be so counter-intuitive.
Uh, Last Story wasn't a huge release in Japan. I think it sold something like 120,000 in its first week?
I wish we knew what the best selling third party titles on the Wii have been since people stopped caring about it in 2009.
Because I bet they're all pretty low.
Edit: America and Europe only, of course. I don't want no crazy monster hunter shit skewing everything. Or The Last Story, because that would be so counter-intuitive.
As of March 2011, there are 103 Wii video games that have sold over 1 million units.[1]
This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by expanding it with reliably sourced entries.
* Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (7.09 million)[6]
* Just Dance 2 (5 million)[7]
* Just Dance (4.3 million)[9]
* Michael Jackson: The Experience (2 million)[7]
* Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (2 million)[10]*
* Deca Sports (2 million shipped)[11]
* Game Party (2 million shipped)[12]
I've separated out the first party games, and there are more third party games further on down the list, but the next entry immediately following Game Party is Monster Hunter Tri, so I stopped thinking this was enough to answer your question/wish.
I'm going to hate myself for using this terminology, but those are primarily games marketed towards the casual consumer. The only "hardcore" (ugh) title mentioned is Monster Hunter, which sold far more in Japan than all other territories combined. Monster Hunter sold a bit over 460,000 in the US, which is decent, but it had a fairly decent US marketing push. Lots of magazine spreads and ads, a pack-in with the Classic Controller Pro, and demo discs given away at retailers.
I wish we knew what the best selling third party titles on the Wii have been since people stopped caring about it in 2009.
Because I bet they're all pretty low.
Edit: America and Europe only, of course. I don't want no crazy monster hunter shit skewing everything. Or The Last Story, because that would be so counter-intuitive.
Uh, Last Story wasn't a huge release in Japan. I think it sold something like 120,000 in its first week?
A little less. After 10 weeks, it was just shy of 160,000. (Which is more than Xenoblade has sold since its release a year ago.)
If Nintendo was a third party, then all they would need to look at is localization costs versus expected return. However, they're not a third party. They have a new portable system that isn't doing all that well and a new home console coming out next year. Deciding to not localize high quality games in genres that are practically non-existent on the Wii when the system is lacking in upcoming releases is a sure-fire way to get a vocal minority highly annoyed at you which is not something you want to have happen when you're trying to sell new hardware.
Nintendo, you want to know how to gain the loyalty of core gamers? Release games they want to play. It's as simple as that.
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That probably wouldn't help either, but just complaining about it while continuing to buy their products sure as shit won't.
I haven't been for a while, since most of their stuff doesn't interest me. Xenoblade and The Last Story DO interest me, though.
So while I will avoid the 3DS and Wii U if at all possible, I still want to play these two RPGs.
In this case you could use the same argument in reverse, too: buy as many Nintendo RPGs as you can to try to get them to take a hint. But neither this nor boycotting will make a difference.
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I'm going to link you a nice post I happened across.
So there ya go. It was never about boycotting.
EDIT: I mean, it's very much akin to the argument used by people who pirate. Game not coming out? Durr, time to get it illegally!
Then I'm afraid my dear friend, you never factored into the equation.
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I think Amazon UK ships overseas, but only if it comes from them. Most Amazon sellers I've seen don't ship outside Europe. If I'm wrong and Amazon doesn't work there's gameplay.co.uk. I used them back when I wanted Tales of Eternia on PSP and had no problems.
Ding ding ding. And I bet you'll find some correlation between those who said 3DS region locking wasn't a problem and those who're saying now "well you can import it."
It's what happens to every platform holder when they're in the lead. Sony's still holding onto the attitude they cultivated during the PS2's heyday.
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"Did ya hear the one about the mussel that wanted to purchase Valve? Seems like the bivalve had a juicy offer on the table but the company flat-out refused and decided to immediately clam up!"
Until today, I was going to buy a Wii U.
It's not about software, I'll keep buying games for the hardware I own. But I'm not going to buy hardware knowing that Nintendo isn't going to support it, even when they've been given every reason to do so.
I still own and support the Wii, so moves like this are highly disrespectful to the Wii fanbase.
I am half-tempted to send a picture of my remote and nunchuks that are unopened and still in their original packaging with the reciept showing they were bought in 2008.
I'm sure he does.
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"Did ya hear the one about the mussel that wanted to purchase Valve? Seems like the bivalve had a juicy offer on the table but the company flat-out refused and decided to immediately clam up!"
I bet 1Up would be down with making a section of the site dedicated to that.
Even sending all those pics to Game Informer, just keep the message to Nintendo going.
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Needless to say I've been wanting The Last Story for awhile. And Xenoblade looks equally amazing.
Godspeed.
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Demands presented in this manner are not usually met with positive response. In fact, anyone worth his own name knows that if you produce the desired request, you've open the door for more and more, and it's time consuming. Easier to ignore and move on.
Companies are not our friends and they owe us nothing.
They wouldn't make money. Marketing costs, production costs, localization costs in the case of The Last Story and Pandora's Tower, the weak US dollar, the niche JRPG market (in general, but especially on Wii),; all of it adds up to a series of releases that might not make back the money it would cost to bring them here.
I could still see Xenoblade getting a US release thanks to the announced European version, but I think it might be time to give up hope on the other two.
Just not Nintendo money.
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Well, like I said in the other one, I am on board. I am a former nintendo fan furious about how badly they mishandled software (both first and third party) on the Wii, and pissed that their new systems are going to cost $$$TEXAS because of some "innovations" that will end up just as infrequently used as the motionplus or the DS's touch screen.
Additionally, I accidentally spent a $20 gift credit on my Monado preorder, so fuck nintendo even harder.
I'm not so sure they would, honestly. The Tales of Symphonia sequel (Dawn of the New World) on the Wii only sold like 250,000 copies in the West, didn't it? The poor sales numbers from that title (and Tales of Vesperia) led to Namco scaling back its international releases for the series to nil. Tales of Graces came out on both the Wii and the PS3, yet neither version is coming stateside. And Dawn of the New World was a direct sequel to a very popular and well selling Gamecube game, while all three of these are new IPs (with some big names attached, granted).
Because I bet they're all pretty low.
Edit: America and Europe only, of course. I don't want no crazy monster hunter shit skewing everything. Or The Last Story, because that would be so counter-intuitive.
Err..Tales of Graces F is coming stateside. Again, NoA is making Namco look good.
(So was Tales of Graces from what I hear from sources that aren't Famitsu.)
But for years the "Tales of..." series was a staple in the RPG market and now... it isn't. In America anyway. There have been a bazillon Tales games in Japan over the last three years, but most of them have been side stories or what ifs instead of main series entries.
I think other companies see the reluctance of Namco and other publishers to release console JRPGs in America and it makes them nervous.
The disregard that, I'm an idiot.
What the fuck, 2012? The Wii version came out in 2009, the PS3 version at the end of 2010 and the US version won't see the states until "sometime in 2012?" Pessimist hat back on. I wonder how long they'll list it at TBA 2012 until they quietly cancel it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Wii_video_games
I've separated out the first party games, and there are more third party games further on down the list, but the next entry immediately following Game Party is Monster Hunter Tri, so I stopped thinking this was enough to answer your question/wish.
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Uh, Last Story wasn't a huge release in Japan. I think it sold something like 120,000 in its first week?
A little less. After 10 weeks, it was just shy of 160,000. (Which is more than Xenoblade has sold since its release a year ago.)
Nintendo, you want to know how to gain the loyalty of core gamers? Release games they want to play. It's as simple as that.
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