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he's a no-resource caster with lots of damage, sustainability, lane dominance, and built in tankiness that also has the GHOST portion of his ultimate, which is super strong considering how a lot of games these days are built around having a glass cannon ad carry that hangs out in the back of the fight
That's their own damn fault. Frankly, the fact that Mord can punish assholes who refuse to buy defense items under any circumstances is extremely good game design. You want to run 400 AD, 30 MR, well, there is a drawback to that.
Mord punishes bad carries who refuse to change their playstyles, and because of that, he is good for the game. I run QSS on Trynd and Banshees on Ez, and I don't have a problem in the fucking world. In fact, if other players haven't fed the shit out of him, I just 1v1 him and win all day long.
the heal could be reduced as well. I've had plenty of stupid 2v1s as morde where I go "lolnope" ult+ignite, double kill with my fresh ghost.
I've done it too, but it is balanced. The only way you can do it is if you are fed or just significantly better at the game than them.
Mord is a pubstomper, and yes, I include high rated solo queue in that. I am more than happy to see Mord on an enemy team on any of my good champs, because I know if I play well, I'll beat him consistently. This is the complete opposite reaction I have to Brand, for example, who I know that without a gank, and damn likely even with one, the chance of me stopping him from farming is about zero.
I'm calling it right now: There's a>50% chance that if people continue to complain about Mord he'll end up in queue dodge tier just like Shen and need to be buffed again. He already has gigantic disadvantages to balance out his strengths. Mord is just like Akali right now, in that the scaling might be looked at very slightly, but ultimately, as long as whoever lanes against him/her doesn't eat a dick during laning phase, you are fine.
I agree with Pacific. XZ is still good, but not the wrecking ball he used to be. He gets hit by the old melee axiom of choosing between tank or dps. You can hit middle ground.....but that's still middle ground.
Solo lane WW against Xin? Why are you bothering to fight each other?
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His dash means that I can't avoid him if I want to get any farm. If he attacks, I have the choice of fighting or trying to run away. If I fight he out heals and out damages me unless I have a decent level or gold (item) advantage. If I run, I die.
The reason that I think he needs a nerf/re-work is that he doesn't seem to have any weaknesses. He is good against ranged, tanks, and melee. If you need to counter pick a specific champ in order to have a chance against any one champ, that one champ needs to be re-worked or nerfed.
1. He does have 2 cc's, but one requires 3 successive auto attacks and the other is only targetable on enemies.
2. His ult isn't true damage, and armor reduces its damage to you
3. Only bad xin zhao is healing through auto attacking minions.
4. He has no escapes. XZ is kind of all or nothing. You go in, fight mans, hope you kill them before they kill you, or you flash out and hope you get away.
I think that WW probably could be XZ in lane, harass with Q, heal with your passive when he try to fight you. Your first item after boots in that lane should be glacial shroud.
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1. What do you mean by 'only targetable on enemies'? I don't understand how that'd be a problem or drawback at all. What else would you target except enemies? Or was that more in reference to #4, saying that he can't use the dash portion as an escape.
2. I misread the '+15% of your max health' portion of his ult as true damage, but it sure doesn't say that when I look again. Mea Culpia
3. If you are low on hit points, why on earth would you not want to heal those? I wish they wouldn't heal up on minions, then I could wear him down and kill him.
I'll definitely look into Glacial Shroud the next time I lane against him, thanks!
Just spoilered that for it becoming too long.
This is how you should lane against XZ as WW:
Probably start boots + 3 pots. Or I guess you could go armor + 5 pots, seems excessive though. From what you describe it seems like you're letting XZ bully you in lane. When he walks in to last hit, you should smack him with a Q or an auto attack almost every time. Just whittle him down. You'll take a little minion aggro but you should be able to heal it back up. Also, if you're laning WW, you should probably be prioritizing your Q and E. If you're going to get in a fight, be aware of how many minions each of you has. As melee's you're both going to be tanking minions during the fight. Try to pick fights when you have more or even # of minions.
That lane match up is about you keeping him low with constant minor harass with auto attacks and your Q when he comes in to last hit.
man i dunno i think WW wins the "healing while hitting" fight
hit W and QQQQQQQ him and you will outsustain
yeah, at equal levels/items I out heal him. That was poorly worded. I was trying to say that his damage minus my healing is greater than my damage minus his healing. (Though you generally only get one or at most two q per fight.)
I am fully willing to admit that the problem may be that *I* can't deal with him. He seems to get an advantage on me early, then it snowballs, then I'm toast.
Boots +3 is what I start with on the vast majority of my champs.
Yeah, that is what I normally do to people in lane, and can deal with just about every one else. It just seems to fail against him. If we trade Qs I seem to come out in second place.
Do you mean prioritize Q and W? Because E just gives run speed. It's pretty much a one point wonder until later. I level R>Q>W>E
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I bought Udyr a little while ago and played him in a bot game the other day and felt like I might be able to dig him if I had more of an idea what to do. I hadn't read a guide or anything - I was actually intending to play Jax but then the one random amidst our four-man premade ended up instalocking him. :P
So.. any Udyr guides? Either jungle or lane. Or both.
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man i dunno i think WW wins the "healing while hitting" fight
hit W and QQQQQQQ him and you will outsustain
yeah, at equal levels/items I out heal him. That was poorly worded. I was trying to say that his damage minus my healing is greater than my damage minus his healing. (Though you generally only get one or at most two q per fight.)
I am fully willing to admit that the problem may be that *I* can't deal with him. He seems to get an advantage on me early, then it snowballs, then I'm toast.
That's their own damn fault. Frankly, the fact that Mord can punish assholes who refuse to buy defense items under any circumstances is extremely good game design. You want to run 400 AD, 30 MR, well, there is a drawback to that.
Mord punishes bad carries who refuse to change their playstyles, and because of that, he is good for the game. I run QSS on Trynd and Banshees on Ez, and I don't have a problem in the fucking world. In fact, if other players haven't fed the shit out of him, I just 1v1 him and win all day long.
I agree with you, a simple neg cloak usually shuts down his damage quick. And yeah, he has no escapes, initiation, or CC, which should balance out his positives. My problem is that he also never has to leave a lane, ever. We just had a giant nerf to sustain items and supports because of this, I see no reason Morde shouldn't be looked at too in that vein.
He can farm all day and no one can do anything about it. And then late game arrives and he can walk into team fights pop a carry with the push of a button, do some serious damage, and walk right back out since he's such a giant soak. I do think he's a little OP right now, he shouldn't have that kind of sustainability, but I don't have a big problem with his damage or his ult to be honest, as a QSS directly counters him.
Every time you used an ability it would heal and return mana, I think. Amazing on Udyr, think he used to be damn near unstoppable with it. Guardsman Bob used it in the Ionia vs Noxus match.
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So me and my buddy tried to go up against the intermediate AI and got our asses stomped. Part of it is because I'm still learning Singed, the other part is that they throw some new summoner spells that I'm not used to fighting against. Going against a Tele/Ignite Annie was a curveball.
We've each done a few PvP games, and emerged relatively unscathed, but I imagine that's only more infuriating.
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The AI is a bit smarter than the average player, but is super exploitable. We had a Taric go into the enemy jungle and drag two bots to the mid tower. Which killed both.
He is way too strong with all his stuns and escapes.
Wait wut?
See that's what I'm worried about. He's beefy as fuck sure, but he lacks a lot of the tools his role usually fills.
you don't need stuns and escapes to be overpowered. especially when you have an ult that can ace an entire team. the argument that morde doesn't have CC is pretty useless and stupid.
The AI is not smarter than the average player, at all. Its as dumb as the worst player.
The only difference is that the AI gets gear whether it feeds or not, so even if you kill it 15 times in lane, it can still deal damage to you.
Wait what? I remember someone saying that they just get items, but I figured that meant they don't have to teleport back. Do you mean to tell me that gold just isn't a thing for them? Is this only on intermediate?
The AI is not smarter than the average player, at all. Its as dumb as the worst player.
The only difference is that the AI gets gear whether it feeds or not, so even if you kill it 15 times in lane, it can still deal damage to you.
Wait what? I remember someone saying that they just get items, but I figured that meant they don't have to teleport back. Do you mean to tell me that gold just isn't a thing for them? Is this only on intermediate?
Basically. They do port back to buy, but you can totally beast a lane and they'll still come back with high end defensive items and decent offensive items. It's why there's such a universal hate for the annie bot, she'll still one shot you even if you're up 70/3 kills.
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He is way too strong with all his stuns and escapes.
Wait wut?
See that's what I'm worried about. He's beefy as fuck sure, but he lacks a lot of the tools his role usually fills.
you don't need stuns and escapes to be overpowered. especially when you have an ult that can ace an entire team. the argument that morde doesn't have CC is pretty useless and stupid.
You're talking about Amumu's ult, right? One well placed Amumu ult at the right time wins an entire match.
Mord's ult can often be mostly countered, depending on team comp, for a single 1440 gold item (say for a tank + support + 2 AP + 1 AD team comp. No one cares about a ghost Amumu's auto attacks). And unlike most other ults, it negates all its effects rather than half (Tibbers stun can be QSSed out of, but you still get damaged and have to deal with Ursine Garen). And considering how popular AP and hybrid is these days, that single item almost certainly affects 50% or more of their damage.
Basically every Mord rant reads like, "I cannot be arsed to buy QSS," to me. And as many fucking stun heavy comps as there are today:
a. Mord should be stunned all the time.
b. If a character without any CC or gap closer can be useful, good for him. It'll help throw some variety into the 5 stun bullshit I see far too often in 5v5 premades.
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Mord isnt any more overpowered than the other 20 snowball champions.
Yes he can ace your team, but a lot of things have to happen before that for that to happen.
I feel like he aces teams simply because he can withstand an entire fight and mop up anyone dumb enough to try and keep beating on him. (I constantly have to plead with teams not to waste time trying to kill him.) Though I pretty regularly see Mordes taking on 3v1's and walking out unscathed, he really shouldn't have that kind of sustainability, especially given how easy his lane phase is.
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That's their own damn fault. Frankly, the fact that Mord can punish assholes who refuse to buy defense items under any circumstances is extremely good game design. You want to run 400 AD, 30 MR, well, there is a drawback to that.
Mord punishes bad carries who refuse to change their playstyles, and because of that, he is good for the game. I run QSS on Trynd and Banshees on Ez, and I don't have a problem in the fucking world. In fact, if other players haven't fed the shit out of him, I just 1v1 him and win all day long.
I've done it too, but it is balanced. The only way you can do it is if you are fed or just significantly better at the game than them.
Mord is a pubstomper, and yes, I include high rated solo queue in that. I am more than happy to see Mord on an enemy team on any of my good champs, because I know if I play well, I'll beat him consistently. This is the complete opposite reaction I have to Brand, for example, who I know that without a gank, and damn likely even with one, the chance of me stopping him from farming is about zero.
I'm calling it right now: There's a>50% chance that if people continue to complain about Mord he'll end up in queue dodge tier just like Shen and need to be buffed again. He already has gigantic disadvantages to balance out his strengths. Mord is just like Akali right now, in that the scaling might be looked at very slightly, but ultimately, as long as whoever lanes against him/her doesn't eat a dick during laning phase, you are fine.
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Just spoilered that for it becoming too long.
This is how you should lane against XZ as WW:
Probably start boots + 3 pots. Or I guess you could go armor + 5 pots, seems excessive though. From what you describe it seems like you're letting XZ bully you in lane. When he walks in to last hit, you should smack him with a Q or an auto attack almost every time. Just whittle him down. You'll take a little minion aggro but you should be able to heal it back up. Also, if you're laning WW, you should probably be prioritizing your Q and E. If you're going to get in a fight, be aware of how many minions each of you has. As melee's you're both going to be tanking minions during the fight. Try to pick fights when you have more or even # of minions.
That lane match up is about you keeping him low with constant minor harass with auto attacks and your Q when he comes in to last hit.
yeah, at equal levels/items I out heal him. That was poorly worded. I was trying to say that his damage minus my healing is greater than my damage minus his healing. (Though you generally only get one or at most two q per fight.)
I am fully willing to admit that the problem may be that *I* can't deal with him. He seems to get an advantage on me early, then it snowballs, then I'm toast.
Boots +3 is what I start with on the vast majority of my champs.
Yeah, that is what I normally do to people in lane, and can deal with just about every one else. It just seems to fail against him. If we trade Qs I seem to come out in second place.
Do you mean prioritize Q and W? Because E just gives run speed. It's pretty much a one point wonder until later. I level R>Q>W>E
So.. any Udyr guides? Either jungle or lane. Or both.
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I agree with you, a simple neg cloak usually shuts down his damage quick. And yeah, he has no escapes, initiation, or CC, which should balance out his positives. My problem is that he also never has to leave a lane, ever. We just had a giant nerf to sustain items and supports because of this, I see no reason Morde shouldn't be looked at too in that vein.
He can farm all day and no one can do anything about it. And then late game arrives and he can walk into team fights pop a carry with the push of a button, do some serious damage, and walk right back out since he's such a giant soak. I do think he's a little OP right now, he shouldn't have that kind of sustainability, but I don't have a big problem with his damage or his ult to be honest, as a QSS directly counters him.
Every time you used an ability it would heal and return mana, I think. Amazing on Udyr, think he used to be damn near unstoppable with it. Guardsman Bob used it in the Ionia vs Noxus match.
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We've each done a few PvP games, and emerged relatively unscathed, but I imagine that's only more infuriating.
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i laughed
and then i realized it's possible that this is true
and then i was sad
you don't need stuns and escapes to be overpowered. especially when you have an ult that can ace an entire team. the argument that morde doesn't have CC is pretty useless and stupid.
The only difference is that the AI gets gear whether it feeds or not, so even if you kill it 15 times in lane, it can still deal damage to you.
i dunno, i was bored and watched shushei's stream for a bit and he went zerk + 4 thirsters on yi. that was pretty funny.
yea. i'm pretty sure at least 50% of the player base are worse than the bots.
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Also instant abilities/skill shots, which they do catch you with from time to time.
Wait what? I remember someone saying that they just get items, but I figured that meant they don't have to teleport back. Do you mean to tell me that gold just isn't a thing for them? Is this only on intermediate?
Basically. They do port back to buy, but you can totally beast a lane and they'll still come back with high end defensive items and decent offensive items. It's why there's such a universal hate for the annie bot, she'll still one shot you even if you're up 70/3 kills.
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But fuck the fire marbles.
...hmmm, maybe Riven tonight instead of normal Tuesday patch?
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You're talking about Amumu's ult, right? One well placed Amumu ult at the right time wins an entire match.
Mord's ult can often be mostly countered, depending on team comp, for a single 1440 gold item (say for a tank + support + 2 AP + 1 AD team comp. No one cares about a ghost Amumu's auto attacks). And unlike most other ults, it negates all its effects rather than half (Tibbers stun can be QSSed out of, but you still get damaged and have to deal with Ursine Garen). And considering how popular AP and hybrid is these days, that single item almost certainly affects 50% or more of their damage.
Basically every Mord rant reads like, "I cannot be arsed to buy QSS," to me. And as many fucking stun heavy comps as there are today:
a. Mord should be stunned all the time.
b. If a character without any CC or gap closer can be useful, good for him. It'll help throw some variety into the 5 stun bullshit I see far too often in 5v5 premades.
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Yes he can ace your team, but a lot of things have to happen before that for that to happen.
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I feel like he aces teams simply because he can withstand an entire fight and mop up anyone dumb enough to try and keep beating on him. (I constantly have to plead with teams not to waste time trying to kill him.) Though I pretty regularly see Mordes taking on 3v1's and walking out unscathed, he really shouldn't have that kind of sustainability, especially given how easy his lane phase is.
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