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Star Wars 1313 has fallen into the Sarlaac, never to return

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  • PunkBoyPunkBoy Thank you! And thank you again! Registered User regular
    Dashui wrote: »
    PunkBoy wrote: »
    Man, I think me and Morninglord are the only ones that played through Force Unleashed in it's entirety. :( I actually enjoyed the game overall (even the characters!) but it could get very frustrating.

    I played both. The second game took three hours to complete, and was infuriatingly set in only three heavily cut-and-pasted locations. I did enjoy the first one but fuck the sequel.

    Oh, you have me beat. I never even bothered with the sequel after the demo.

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  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    What's amazing about TFU2 is that you can clearly see when the plug was pulled. 2/3rds to 3/4ths of the game centered around rescuing Kota. And that part actually wasn't horrible, IMO. It certainly didn't feel complete, but it wasn't bad, and you could see where the developers were going with the boss fight.

    The Star Destroyer and Kamino, on the other hand, were very obviously rushed and incomplete. They felt like proof-of-concepts.

    And, of course, the best level was the Yoda level, which consists of walking in a straight line for 50 feet.

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    I'm all but certain that 1313 will have something to do with Boba Fett, which is a shame. I'd kill for a Star Wars version of Warhawk/Starhawk.

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  • EtchwartsEtchwarts Eyes Up Registered User regular
    I liked the first TFU. The story didn't even bother me until the very end, where it felt like there was just a betrayal for a betrayal's sake. Proxy was a great character, too.


    The second one, though, can go die in a fire. Stupid storyline with the exact same combat of the first one and not even half the length.

  • TOGSolidTOGSolid Drunk sailor Seattle, WashingtonRegistered User regular
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    Pretending this story is about how Kyle Katarn earned his space beard suddenly makes me excited for it.

    There's a deep meaning in there.

    I picture it suddenly sprouting from his face Gurran Lagann sunglasses style in a moment of raw manliness.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    I could totally get behind TFU-ish combat with a heavier emphasis on cover shooting and implementation of various boba fett/bounty hunter gadgets.

    I don't normally get impressed when game promo stuff talks about how 'dark' or 'gritty' or whatever a game is going to be, but it's nice to see a SW property explicitly embracing that just because the franchise hasn't really covered that territory much.

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  • Dharma BumDharma Bum Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
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    Deal with it.

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  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    I could totally get behind TFU-ish combat with a heavier emphasis on cover shooting and implementation of various boba fett/bounty hunter gadgets.

    I don't normally get impressed when game promo stuff talks about how 'dark' or 'gritty' or whatever a game is going to be, but it's nice to see a SW property explicitly embracing that just because the franchise hasn't really covered that territory much.

    NJO tried, and was responded to with a title wave of bitching. No, not every book was great, but it honestly did try something new and is (somewhat) well regarded after the fact.

  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    I could totally get behind TFU-ish combat with a heavier emphasis on cover shooting and implementation of various boba fett/bounty hunter gadgets.

    I don't normally get impressed when game promo stuff talks about how 'dark' or 'gritty' or whatever a game is going to be, but it's nice to see a SW property explicitly embracing that just because the franchise hasn't really covered that territory much.

    NJO tried, and was responded to with a title wave of bitching. No, not every book was great, but it honestly did try something new and is (somewhat) well regarded after the fact.

    One of the main problems with NJO (if not the main problem) was that it dragged on far too long, though. And they really did sort of go off the deep end with the grimdark stuff, especially in the earlier books where they emphasized the sadomasochistic aspects of the Vong a lot more.

  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    Meh, you could stick with the main hard covers, dark tide, rebel dream/stand, edge of victory and traitor and skip the rest.

  • KadokenKadoken Giving Ends to my Friends and it Feels Stupendous Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    They killed Chewie on the first book to first have the Vong. Actually, I read the first three books where they introduced the Vong. While I'm not a Star Wars fanatic (I'm more partial to the epic grim dark yet somewhat silliness of Warhammer 40k) that didn't seem necessary.

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  • Dharma BumDharma Bum Registered User regular
    Kadoken wrote: »
    They killed Chewie on the first book to first have the Vong. Actually, I read the first three books where they introduced the Vong. While I'm not a Star Wars fanatic (I'm more partial to the epic grim dark yet somewhat silliness of Warhammer 40k) that didn't seem necessary.

    Wow, I just realized how easy it is to fuck up Star Wars.

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  • TOGSolidTOGSolid Drunk sailor Seattle, WashingtonRegistered User regular
    Dharma Bum wrote: »
    Kadoken wrote: »
    They killed Chewie on the first book to first have the Vong. Actually, I read the first three books where they introduced the Vong. While I'm not a Star Wars fanatic (I'm more partial to the epic grim dark yet somewhat silliness of Warhammer 40k) that didn't seem necessary.

    Wow, I just realized how easy it is to fuck up Star Wars.

    It's not necessarily a bad thing though. Extended Universe Star Wars has a bad problem of clinging to familiarity. I'm surprised there aren't more rampant cases of inbreeding just because the authors are scared shitless of not having someone named Solo or Skywalker running around to write their books about time and time again. Besides, stripping the plot armor off of people helps build tension and keeps readers interested.

    Of course then they'll probably just start doing clones of everyone. D:

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    TOGSolid wrote: »
    Dharma Bum wrote: »
    Kadoken wrote: »
    They killed Chewie on the first book to first have the Vong. Actually, I read the first three books where they introduced the Vong. While I'm not a Star Wars fanatic (I'm more partial to the epic grim dark yet somewhat silliness of Warhammer 40k) that didn't seem necessary.

    Wow, I just realized how easy it is to fuck up Star Wars.

    It's not necessarily a bad thing though. Extended Universe Star Wars has a bad problem of clinging to familiarity. I'm surprised there aren't more rampant cases of inbreeding just because the authors are scared shitless of not having someone named Solo or Skywalker running around to write their books about time and time again. Besides, stripping the plot armor off of people helps build tension and keeps readers interested.

    Of course then they'll probably just start doing clones of everyone. D:

    Yeah, I didn't have so big a problem with them killing off Chewie when you consider that by this point in the EU timeline, all of the human core cast (Luke, Leia, Han) have to be pushing 50. Heck, Han and Leia have adult children who are also primary characters. It was getting a little ridiculous. But because you just can't kill off any of them to change things up, they killed off Chewie instead. Sort of the next best thing. It's not like Chewie really contributed much to the books anyway. I mean, let's face it. He was never a POV character, and he can't even have real dialogue, for obvious reasons. Now, that being said, if you accept that killing somebody off is not such a terrible idea, it's still open to debate whether the Vong were villains worth killing somebody off to sell.

  • Dharma BumDharma Bum Registered User regular
    TOGSolid wrote: »
    Dharma Bum wrote: »
    Kadoken wrote: »
    They killed Chewie on the first book to first have the Vong. Actually, I read the first three books where they introduced the Vong. While I'm not a Star Wars fanatic (I'm more partial to the epic grim dark yet somewhat silliness of Warhammer 40k) that didn't seem necessary.

    Wow, I just realized how easy it is to fuck up Star Wars.

    It's not necessarily a bad thing though. Extended Universe Star Wars has a bad problem of clinging to familiarity. I'm surprised there aren't more rampant cases of inbreeding just because the authors are scared shitless of not having someone named Solo or Skywalker running around to write their books about time and time again. Besides, stripping the plot armor off of people helps build tension and keeps readers interested.

    Of course then they'll probably just start doing clones of everyone. D:

    Just tell me stories about Boba Fett being a jerk to people forever. That's all I ask.

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  • TOGSolidTOGSolid Drunk sailor Seattle, WashingtonRegistered User regular
    Dharma Bum wrote: »
    TOGSolid wrote: »
    Dharma Bum wrote: »
    Kadoken wrote: »
    They killed Chewie on the first book to first have the Vong. Actually, I read the first three books where they introduced the Vong. While I'm not a Star Wars fanatic (I'm more partial to the epic grim dark yet somewhat silliness of Warhammer 40k) that didn't seem necessary.

    Wow, I just realized how easy it is to fuck up Star Wars.

    It's not necessarily a bad thing though. Extended Universe Star Wars has a bad problem of clinging to familiarity. I'm surprised there aren't more rampant cases of inbreeding just because the authors are scared shitless of not having someone named Solo or Skywalker running around to write their books about time and time again. Besides, stripping the plot armor off of people helps build tension and keeps readers interested.

    Of course then they'll probably just start doing clones of everyone. D:

    Just tell me stories about Boba Fett being a jerk to people forever. That's all I ask.

    I think that's all anyone truly wants.

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  • KeysierKeysier Registered User regular
    Boba Fett just straight up choking everyone with Crush Gaunts could be an entire game itself. You just sqeeze the trigger and it never gets old!

  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    Dharma Bum wrote: »
    TOGSolid wrote: »
    Dharma Bum wrote: »
    Kadoken wrote: »
    They killed Chewie on the first book to first have the Vong. Actually, I read the first three books where they introduced the Vong. While I'm not a Star Wars fanatic (I'm more partial to the epic grim dark yet somewhat silliness of Warhammer 40k) that didn't seem necessary.

    Wow, I just realized how easy it is to fuck up Star Wars.

    It's not necessarily a bad thing though. Extended Universe Star Wars has a bad problem of clinging to familiarity. I'm surprised there aren't more rampant cases of inbreeding just because the authors are scared shitless of not having someone named Solo or Skywalker running around to write their books about time and time again. Besides, stripping the plot armor off of people helps build tension and keeps readers interested.

    Of course then they'll probably just start doing clones of everyone. D:

    Just tell me stories about Boba Fett being a jerk to people forever. That's all I ask.

    I liked the story where he hunted down a bunch of genocidal Imperials for like, $1 space dollar after this dying alien pitched that his rep wasn't so good anymore after Jabba's palace.

  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    You see? Some fans might say they want a Star Wars game about a bounty hunter that has nothing to do with traditional Star Wars stuff, but what everyone really wants is a game where you're Boba Fett.

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  • KeysierKeysier Registered User regular
    Well I wouldn't mind a game where I fight to become a great Bounty Hunter somewhere in the Galaxy and then have to make some kind of neat story choice.

    Yet either way in the end either choice just has Boba Fett come and kill me. That'd be a satisfying ending, making it to the top and getting slapped down

  • cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
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    You see? Some fans might say they want a Star Wars game about a bounty hunter that has nothing to do with traditional Star Wars stuff, but what everyone really wants is a game where you're Boba Fett.

    Wait wait, what about a game where you play as JANGO Fett?

    Oh....

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  • EtchwartsEtchwarts Eyes Up Registered User regular
    I don't really like Boba.


    I mean, the guy got owned by Han Solo, on accident. While Han was blind.


    That's always how I'll remember him, no matter how badass he actually is.

  • Dharma BumDharma Bum Registered User regular
    I don't really like Boba.


    I mean, the guy got owned by Han Solo, on accident. While Han was blind.


    That's always how I'll remember him, no matter how badass he actually is.

    But that's only canon in George Lucas' version of Star Wars, which I believe we have all unanimously rejected for one reason or another.

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  • EtchwartsEtchwarts Eyes Up Registered User regular
    I know he climbed out and all of that.


    But he still got pushed in.

    By a blind, lucky guy.

  • Dharma BumDharma Bum Registered User regular
    I know he climbed out and all of that.


    But he still got pushed in.

    By a blind, lucky guy.

    No, that was just terrible fan fiction that just happened to be written by the series' original creator, professionally shot on film and presented to the audience as if it were part of the overarching story. Nothing more. That didn't actually happen at all.

    But that part about him blowing up the Sarlacc from the inside and riding the explosion through its intestines with his jetpack as he swore revenge against everyone who ever wronged him which was in eight paragraphs of a flimsy 90s paperback, now that part totally happened.

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  • EtchwartsEtchwarts Eyes Up Registered User regular
    I think you and I like a very different Star Wars.

  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    There was only one legit use of non-movie Boba Fett, which was Twin Engines of Destruction.

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  • MongerMonger I got the ham stink. Dallas, TXRegistered User regular
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    You see? Some fans might say they want a Star Wars game about a bounty hunter that has nothing to do with traditional Star Wars stuff, but what everyone really wants is a game where you're Boba Fett.
    I still don't.

    I'm not crazy.

    I'm the only one that's sane.

  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Star Wars is established enough that exploring the non-iconic side is interesting if you're a fan with that level of curiosity. I liked Republic Commando for that reason. Sign me the fuck up and haters go die.

  • BasilBasil Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    hi5 Henroid and Monger both.

    I don't wanna be Boba Fett either, dude was incompetent.

    Now, a speeder mechanic on the lam in the dark streets of Coruscant?

    That I'll take. It can even copy The Fifth Element's plot, whatever. Just put in some flying cars and it's basically Star Wars anyway.

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  • PunkBoyPunkBoy Thank you! And thank you again! Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Chewie had the best death possible, so I can't really be upset by it.

    Anyway, I wouldn't mind a game about Boba Fett to be honest. He's been an antagonist in several others, so actually playing as him would be cool. And hey, it's perfectly conceivable that he got a bad break when he was knocked into the Sarlacc pit, and then got out! It's okay! He's still badass! It doesn't have to be one way or the other.

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  • EtchwartsEtchwarts Eyes Up Registered User regular
    I'm mostly teasing, just because I absolutely love Han Solo. Boba can be cool too.


    Heck, if this new game's about Boba, count me in.

  • PunkBoyPunkBoy Thank you! And thank you again! Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Clearly we need another game starring Ace Azzamean because the story of X-Wing Alliance STILL NEEDS TO BE FINISHED ARGHLEBARGHLE!

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  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    Surprising twist: it's actually Jodo Kast.

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  • TOGSolidTOGSolid Drunk sailor Seattle, WashingtonRegistered User regular
    PunkBoy wrote: »
    Clearly we need another game starring Ace Azzamean because the story of X-Wing Alliance STILL NEEDS TO BE FINISHED ARGHLEBARGHLE!

    I want to see Ace Azzamean w/ family and the guy from Tie Fighter all get into one new X-Wing game. It could either do two parallel campaigns that show the fight from both sides (think X-Wing vs Tie Fighter) or since the Tie Fighter guy's faith in the cause and what he does was getting a little shaky (this is in the novel strategy guide), maybe have it be a story about how he defects and ends up super bros with the Azzameans or something.

    I'm kinda partial to the X-Wing vs Tie Fighter 2 idea myself.

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  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    Boba Fett is forever soiled because of the Prequels and the Special Edition voice-over garbage.

    I have nothing against Temuera Morrison, but Boba Fett he ain't.

    I sincerely 1313 has nothing to do with him.

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    PunkBoy wrote: »
    Clearly we need another game starring Ace Azzamean because the story of X-Wing Alliance STILL NEEDS TO BE FINISHED ARGHLEBARGHLE!

    What about Rebel One?

    DOES NO ONE THINK OF REBEL ONE?!

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Nightslyr wrote: »
    What's amazing about TFU2 is that you can clearly see when the plug was pulled. 2/3rds to 3/4ths of the game centered around rescuing Kota. And that part actually wasn't horrible, IMO. It certainly didn't feel complete, but it wasn't bad, and you could see where the developers were going with the boss fight.

    Except for the boss fight in the Colosseum.

    That was quite horrible.

    Absolutely horrible. The least pleasant part of game that was, as you said, extremely unfinished.

    But a very different kind of horrible than "Have an Act be walking around in a swamp, followed by a cinematic."

  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    Kadoken wrote: »
    They killed Chewie on the first book to first have the Vong. Actually, I read the first three books where they introduced the Vong. While I'm not a Star Wars fanatic (I'm more partial to the epic grim dark yet somewhat silliness of Warhammer 40k) that didn't seem necessary.

    See, that's the thing. That's WHY they killed Chewie. He is, story wise, completely insignificant. He's Han's dog essentially. He was also firmly within the 'safety bubble' of main character status. His death actually really shook up the Star Wars EU, followed by the death of fan favorite Anakin (who went out like a BOSS). Neither death was pointless and had MASSIVE impacts on Han, Leia, Luke etc. Coruscant got owned, half the galaxy overrun, everything the heroes spent a lifetime building was in jeopardy.

    Now, leap ahead 10-20 years in-universe and the galaxy is recovering nicely. But the Vong war was a pretty noble experiment to try something genuinely new. From what I understand it's somewhat fondly remembered after the cluster cuss that was Legacy Of the Force.

  • DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    PunkBoy wrote: »
    Chewie had the best death possible, so I can't really be upset by it.

    Well, it would have been better if he had died to actually slightly interesting villains instead of, you know, Vong, but the method was not bad. Geting a moon dropped on you personally is not a bad way to go.

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  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    As I say every time it's brought up: the EU should have been the ending for the OT characters. It ended perfectly. I know I was satisfied enough to just stop reading for years. Which is obviously not what they wanted, but they could have continued somewhere else.

    These games they keep making have the same sort of problem, because they want to stick them in a place where the more casual fans will be familiar with the setting, but also want to make them significant to the EU as a whole, which means that have to do ridiculous retcons and create generally dumb characters and situations, like they did in TFU.

    It will be interesting to see what stupid trick they pull off this time. I seriously doubt they can allow a Star Wars game to just exist. Whatever happens, the story of 1313 will be "important" in some way.

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