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  • Talus9952Talus9952 Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    I believe my battletag is MordaRazgrom#1788
    I think...not sure if you can look up without the number, but MordaRazgrom is pretty unique so if you can do a search on it I should be the only one.

    And you're in the US realms? I couldn't bring up your profile under MordaRazgrom#1788.

    Oh, and delete your email. We don't need it to look up your profile on battle.net.

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  • IncindiumIncindium Registered User regular
    Talus delete it in your quote as well.

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  • MordaRazgromMordaRazgrom Морда Разгром Ruling the Taffer KingdomRegistered User regular
    Heh, sorry guys, it's a fairly harmless thing I think, unfortunately I can't remember those damn four numbers at the end cause I never use them (my friends list has...four friends). E-mail is one way I thought I looked someone up, but I could be wrong.

    Monster Hunter Tri code/username: 1MF42Z (Morda)
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  • Talus9952Talus9952 Registered User regular
    Incindium wrote: »
    Talus delete it in your quote as well.

    Duh, I'm smart! Thanks dude :)

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  • Talus9952Talus9952 Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Heh, sorry guys, it's a fairly harmless thing I think, unfortunately I can't remember those damn four numbers at the end cause I never use them (my friends list has...four friends). E-mail is one way I thought I looked someone up, but I could be wrong.

    No problem. If you knew your battletag, its easy to look it up. For us accounts, it's us . battle . net / d3 / en / profile / battletagname - battletagnumber /.

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  • HooverFanHooverFan NCRegistered User regular
    Ok, so did some testing with a plan of mine while also getting a screenshot of somebody's plan they used on the PTR of the new Amulet variety.

    First one is from a pubbie who was pissed that this is now on the PTR and not live..

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    This one is one that I made and just goes to show you what to expect when crafting these. I'm completely satisfied that I do want to start crafting again.

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  • MatzMatz Bronze Grandmaster FurieRegistered User regular
    HooverFan wrote: »
    Ok, so did some testing with a plan of mine while also getting a screenshot of somebody's plan they used on the PTR of the new Amulet variety.

    First one is from a pubbie who was pissed that this is now on the PTR and not live..

    syo501.png

    This one is one that I made and just goes to show you what to expect when crafting these. I'm completely satisfied that I do want to start crafting again.

    5ug27m.png

    How many did you make and was that one your best? I presume that 300+ is the range for the primary stat?

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    _J_ wrote: »
    I imagine that I make more money from D3 than I would make sucking dick. But I wouldn't want to spend either my D3 or dick sucking money on gear.
  • HooverFanHooverFan NCRegistered User regular
    Matz wrote: »
    HooverFan wrote: »
    Ok, so did some testing with a plan of mine while also getting a screenshot of somebody's plan they used on the PTR of the new Amulet variety.

    First one is from a pubbie who was pissed that this is now on the PTR and not live..

    syo501.png

    This one is one that I made and just goes to show you what to expect when crafting these. I'm completely satisfied that I do want to start crafting again.

    5ug27m.png

    How many did you make and was that one your best? I presume that 300+ is the range for the primary stat?

    I only had to make 3 and that INT one was the 3rd one... which is yes, primary stat double roll on both. No idea how many the pubbie made, but only 3 for that INT one (which considering it's only a perfect star topaz + demonic essence + brimstone ain't bad)

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  • IncindiumIncindium Registered User regular
    Perfect Star gems? So the ones that give +54 of a primary stat?

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  • MatzMatz Bronze Grandmaster FurieRegistered User regular
    HooverFan wrote: »
    Matz wrote: »
    HooverFan wrote: »
    Ok, so did some testing with a plan of mine while also getting a screenshot of somebody's plan they used on the PTR of the new Amulet variety.

    First one is from a pubbie who was pissed that this is now on the PTR and not live..

    syo501.png

    This one is one that I made and just goes to show you what to expect when crafting these. I'm completely satisfied that I do want to start crafting again.

    5ug27m.png

    How many did you make and was that one your best? I presume that 300+ is the range for the primary stat?

    I only had to make 3 and that INT one was the 3rd one... which is yes, primary stat double roll on both. No idea how many the pubbie made, but only 3 for that INT one (which considering it's only a perfect star topaz + demonic essence + brimstone ain't bad)

    It is, of course, hard to know whether your experience is typical given the low sample. I think my barb has something similar to that pubbies one (except with something like 190 STR). To craft something better I am going to need to roll a high crit chance, high crit damage, str (given) and vit. Of course if I could also get +attack speed + AR....

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    _J_ wrote: »
    I imagine that I make more money from D3 than I would make sucking dick. But I wouldn't want to spend either my D3 or dick sucking money on gear.
  • MatzMatz Bronze Grandmaster FurieRegistered User regular
    Incindium wrote: »
    Perfect Star gems? So the ones that give +54 of a primary stat?

    No - the ones above Flawless Square (I think he meant Perfect Square)

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    Lose: The opposite of win
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    _J_ wrote: »
    I imagine that I make more money from D3 than I would make sucking dick. But I wouldn't want to spend either my D3 or dick sucking money on gear.
  • HooverFanHooverFan NCRegistered User regular
    Matz wrote: »
    Incindium wrote: »
    Perfect Star gems? So the ones that give +54 of a primary stat?

    No - the ones above Flawless Square (I think he meant Perfect Square)

    yes, sorry

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  • TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    I did a butcher run before I went to sleep last night at MP3. (Festering Woods to 5 Stacks then start at Leoric's Manor) and I got a total of 4 Essences and 1 Gem Recipe (Just the 1st recipe for Ruby).
    Not terrible I suppose.

    Bless your heart.
  • MordaRazgromMordaRazgrom Морда Разгром Ruling the Taffer KingdomRegistered User regular
    Talus9952 wrote: »
    I believe my battletag is MordaRazgrom#1788
    I think...not sure if you can look up without the number, but MordaRazgrom is pretty unique so if you can do a search on it I should be the only one.

    And you're in the US realms? I couldn't bring up your profile under MordaRazgrom#1788.

    Oh, and delete your email. We don't need it to look up your profile on battle.net.

    Okay so my battle.net ID is MordaRazgrom#1755
    It's not that impressive, definitely not minmax or a go-to WD build, but ya know, works for me :)

    Monster Hunter Tri code/username: 1MF42Z (Morda)
    WiiU Username: MordaRazgrom
    Steam Username: MordaRazgrom
    WoW/Diablo 3 Battlenet Battletag: MordaRazgrom#1755
    Me and my wife have a gamer YouTube page if interested www.youtube.com/TeamMarriage
  • MatzMatz Bronze Grandmaster FurieRegistered User regular
    I can see myself dropping a few million on Ammys right off the bat. Leaving aside the cost of the base materials which I already have (but including the 30k for the gem upgrade), 30 rolls is only 30x130k = 3.9M? If I could get something decent it would be well worth that cost.

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    _J_ wrote: »
    I imagine that I make more money from D3 than I would make sucking dick. But I wouldn't want to spend either my D3 or dick sucking money on gear.
  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    Sure, or whatever other piece happens to be your weakest link. I'll probably go for gloves.

  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    I think we're missing the most important change in this patch:

    "Plans: Staff of Herding can now be dropped on the ground, or sold to a vendor for 0 gold"

    Also, Boo crafting.

  • RandomEngyRandomEngy Registered User regular
    Well I played some PVP. Was up against a wizard with storm armor that killed half my health in one shot and lightning hydra, blizzard and mirror image with 4 duplicates. I could pretty much do mutual destruction with grasp of the dead 80% slow and haunt. Battles were a few seconds with both of us dying. I think I see why they didn't feel it worthy of an actual focused and structured PVP mode.

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  • HexDexHexDex Registered User regular
    Terrible image quality aside, those are some nice ammys. The account bound thing really bugs me. A lot. Bound items makes some sense in an MMO, but none in a game like this. I can give them a pass on the hellfire ring as a one shot sort of deal, but this as a trend is worrisome.

    I will make a few because, damn, that's nice. I just hope we don't see more of this.

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  • TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    The chest piece is pretty terrible. It's possible to roll something useable for a fresh 60 I guess but I made 6 of them and they were all pretty meh (I did have a 3 slotted one roll a ton of life though but no all res or anything.)

    Bless your heart.
  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    HexDex wrote: »
    Terrible image quality aside, those are some nice ammys. The account bound thing really bugs me. A lot. Bound items makes some sense in an MMO, but none in a game like this. I can give them a pass on the hellfire ring as a one shot sort of deal, but this as a trend is worrisome.

    I will make a few because, damn, that's nice. I just hope we don't see more of this.

    Account bound is simply the only way to make it possible to acquire items yourself at a rate comparable to buying from the auction house. If these items weren't account bound, they would just flood the auction house and drive prices way down, which would mean that once again it's better to buy stuff on the AH than it is to craft it, defeating the whole purpose of the system.

  • ChenChen Registered User regular
    They could just, I don't know, make it super difficult to get awesome rolls, not free pass rolls like they're doing now. If they're afraid people won't bother with crafting, just extend the max rolls of dropped loot. Yet again, they're catering to the lowest common denominator who wants stuff handed to them on a plate.

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  • Talus9952Talus9952 Registered User regular
    Talus9952 wrote: »
    I believe my battletag is MordaRazgrom#1788
    I think...not sure if you can look up without the number, but MordaRazgrom is pretty unique so if you can do a search on it I should be the only one.

    And you're in the US realms? I couldn't bring up your profile under MordaRazgrom#1788.

    Oh, and delete your email. We don't need it to look up your profile on battle.net.

    Okay so my battle.net ID is MordaRazgrom#1755
    It's not that impressive, definitely not minmax or a go-to WD build, but ya know, works for me :)

    And here is your profile: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MordaRazgrom-1755/

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Chen wrote: »
    They could just, I don't know, make it super difficult to get awesome rolls, not free pass rolls like they're doing now. If they're afraid people won't bother with crafting, just extend the max rolls of dropped loot. Yet again, they're catering to the lowest common denominator who wants stuff handed to them on a plate.

    Right now acquiring good gear is pretty much a piece of cake on the AH. If they don't make it similarly easy to find good loot through crafting, then nobody will use crafting, just like today. Nobody wants to gamble away all their money on terrible odds.

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  • IncindiumIncindium Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    So I don't play D3 much for a month or two and when I come back my current gear is worth more than when I left and I've still been able to buy some upgrades and yet I'm selling stuff for more Gold that before? What the heck?

    Sold my old set of bracers today for 10 million that I had bought back in October for 2.5million. The ones I upgraded to cost 12 million but added MF and Crit with just a bit of AR and STR loss.

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  • ChenChen Registered User regular
    Zek wrote: »
    Chen wrote: »
    They could just, I don't know, make it super difficult to get awesome rolls, not free pass rolls like they're doing now. If they're afraid people won't bother with crafting, just extend the max rolls of dropped loot. Yet again, they're catering to the lowest common denominator who wants stuff handed to them on a plate.

    Right now acquiring good gear is pretty much a piece of cake on the AH. If they don't make it similarly easy to find good loot through crafting, then nobody will use crafting, just like today. Nobody wants to gamble away all their money on terrible odds.

    Acquiring good gear is a piece of cake. Acquiring godly gear requires billions, which a lot of people who are still playing are at now. By making it easier to craft them, people will have the next best gear in a few months time and Blizzard will have to move the goal post one levrl higher again.

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  • sumwarsumwar Registered User regular
    The crafting gear still takes a long freaking time to get good gear. I plan on crafting gloves and amulets and it's gonna take at least a few hundred rolls to get what I want. I actually expect it to take 1000.

  • MatzMatz Bronze Grandmaster FurieRegistered User regular
    Incindium wrote: »
    So I don't play D3 much for a month or two and when I come back my current gear is worth more than when I left and I've still been able to buy some upgrades and yet I'm selling stuff for more Gold that before? What the heck?

    Sold my old set of bracers today for 10 million that I had bought back in October for 2.5million. The ones I upgraded to cost 12 million but added MF and Crit with just a bit of AR and STR loss.

    I had some pretty good (rare) shoulders for my Barb that had STR, VIT, AR, MF and PUR which I bought ages ago for 1.5M. Since most people only want Vile Wards (and maybe don't bother to pick up shoulders anymore?) there are way less on the market. However VW are somewhat limited in that you can't have both MF and PUR. I sold my shoulders recently for 16M (having already upgraded to my current rare ones which I bought for 11.8M!)

    Similarly my Barb's rare chest piece (which I think I bought for less than 2M). I occasionally look for an ugrade but often there is nothing on the market AT ALL with the same stats. And I am not talking about higher amounts of the same stats but even if I just do a search for STR, VIT, AR, MF, PUR + 2 Sockets with no minimum value there is nothing.

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Furie-1280/hero/1011704

    So I think that perhaps people not bothering to pick up rares has led to a decrease in the supply on the AH and a consequent increase in prices for good items.

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    _J_ wrote: »
    I imagine that I make more money from D3 than I would make sucking dick. But I wouldn't want to spend either my D3 or dick sucking money on gear.
  • WaltWalt Waller Arcane Enchanted Frozen ElectrifiedRegistered User regular
  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    my most recent drops in order:

    ivory tower
    grand vizor
    ivory tower
    grand vizor

  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    Walt wrote: »

    Hmm, hard to tell if there's drama here or not. Is this normally the sort of thing that would be announced? I don't even know who the heck the dudes in charge of SC2 or WoW are.

    In any case I do think the D3 team has made a lot of blunders and Jay Wilson is naturally accountable for them, so I'd be surprised if this was completely unrelated. I'm by no means the game's harshest critic and I think they've done a fair job of fixing things up since launch, but it's a problem that so much of it had to be reactionary after their own decisions were off the mark on so many things. Waffling on the PvP design for so long until finally just scrapping it is probably the most egregious one yet.

  • MatzMatz Bronze Grandmaster FurieRegistered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    my most recent drops in order:

    ivory tower
    grand vizor
    ivory tower
    grand vizor

    Rubber-banding?

    But yeah - I often get unique repeats. It was good when it was Lacuni's. Not so good when you are talking threehundredth spear or Visage of Guyia.

    Maybe Blizzard have a rota. Today we will be dropping Skorns and Manticores.

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    Lose: The opposite of win
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    _J_ wrote: »
    I imagine that I make more money from D3 than I would make sucking dick. But I wouldn't want to spend either my D3 or dick sucking money on gear.
  • ScosglenScosglen Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    I can't wait for the insufferable shitlords in the D3 community to start celebrating this news by interpreting it as tacit admission that he "ruined Diablo" singlehandedly and Blizzard has "fired" him.

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  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Zek wrote: »
    HexDex wrote: »
    Terrible image quality aside, those are some nice ammys. The account bound thing really bugs me. A lot. Bound items makes some sense in an MMO, but none in a game like this. I can give them a pass on the hellfire ring as a one shot sort of deal, but this as a trend is worrisome.

    I will make a few because, damn, that's nice. I just hope we don't see more of this.

    Account bound is simply the only way to make it possible to acquire items yourself at a rate comparable to buying from the auction house. If these items weren't account bound, they would just flood the auction house and drive prices way down, which would mean that once again it's better to buy stuff on the AH than it is to craft it, defeating the whole purpose of the system.

    Nonsense is nonsense.

    Why does "at a rate comparable to buying from the AH" matter? No one forces you to open that AH tab and browse the available items. If they added these same items, and they were not account bound, nothing would change from the player in-game perspective of crafting items. It's only a problem when one expands one's view to incorporate the AH. No one forces anyone to do that.

    If you don't want to use the AH, then don't fuck use it. Account Bound items are not changing the degree to which anyone is forced to use the AH, since no one is forced to use it.

    You're right that if the items were not account bound they would just appear on the AH. The question is why that matters to people who don't want to use the AH, since nothing forces them to use it.

    And "I feel like I have to" isn't a rational argument. It's just an expression of a psychological problem: "I feel compelled to do things I don't want to do." That's not Blizzard's fault.

  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Walt wrote: »

    "Over the course of the next several weeks, I will be moving off of the Diablo III project and transitioning elsewhere within Blizzard."

    Off to ruin another franchise.

  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    I have found 2 300th spears and both sold for over 15m

  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Scosglen wrote: »
    I can't wait for the insufferable shitlords in the D3 community to start celebrating this news by interpreting it as tacit admittance that he "ruined Diablo" singlehandedly and Blizzard has "fired" him.

    I shan't make you wait long.

  • MatzMatz Bronze Grandmaster FurieRegistered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Scosglen wrote: »
    I can't wait for the insufferable shitlords in the D3 community to start celebrating this news by interpreting it as tacit admittance that he "ruined Diablo" singlehandedly and Blizzard has "fired" him.

    Did you just call _J_ an insufferable shitlord?

    :P



    EDIT: _J_ beat me to it!

    Matz on
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    _J_ wrote: »
    I imagine that I make more money from D3 than I would make sucking dick. But I wouldn't want to spend either my D3 or dick sucking money on gear.
  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Matz wrote: »
    Scosglen wrote: »
    I can't wait for the insufferable shitlords in the D3 community to start celebrating this news by interpreting it as tacit admittance that he "ruined Diablo" singlehandedly and Blizzard has "fired" him.

    Did you just call _J_ an insufferable shitlord?

    :P

    That's how I took it.

    But, to be fair, he's not wrong. Though, to cohere with forum etiquette, he ought to have labeled that class of persons "silly geese".

  • MatzMatz Bronze Grandmaster FurieRegistered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    I have found 2 300th spears and both sold for over 15m

    hmm. I still have all 3 of them but a quick scan of the AH showed much better ones selling for bugger-all (eg 100-400k). Were yours socketed with high DPS? Or was there something else about them?

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    Lose: The opposite of win
    Loose: Your mum
    _J_ wrote: »
    I imagine that I make more money from D3 than I would make sucking dick. But I wouldn't want to spend either my D3 or dick sucking money on gear.
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