You, the shopper, won't have to pay the activation fee for a used Xbox One game - the shop will. Therefore, the price you see on a second-hand Xbox One game in a shop is the price you'll pay to be able to play it.
That's what a high-ranking UK industry source explained to me this afternoon.
The reason there's all this confusion is because Microsoft hasn't decided what the activation fee will be yet. The £35 figure reported in the story below sounds too high - perhaps it includes the shop's sale price as well.
My source confirmed that part of that activation fee will go to a publisher and part to Microsoft.
What this means for second-hand games is that Microsoft effectively controls how much they cost, because it controls the activation fee. Whether that fee will move up or down or diminish over time isn't clear. But it does mean second-hand games will probably be more expensive than they are now.
My source didn't know what Sony was up to but doubts the PlayStation maker will do the same thing, not because it's angelic but because it lacks the kind of pricey infrastructure something like this requires.
That's much better news.
edit: I know this pertains to used games, but I hope that since it's actual information from someone who seems to be informed, it should at least be within the bounds of the thread. If it's not, I'll edit it out and apologise in advance.
Oh yeah, that fantastic news! Everyone knows that companies always bear the brunt of added costs, and never pass them on to their consumers. Trickle down economics is the best, right guys?..... Guys?
There's a whole other shitstorm. Sure, they're rare but I've had to return a game or two for defective disks. Not really possible with this system as laid out. I quake with fear that it'd become a "Send it in to the manufacturer and wait five weeks" thing.
Or not even for a defect. Will you be able to return games at all?
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I don't think you can return games now. At least not at any store I'm aware of in the US.
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I have never bought a defective disc before, but I have bought numerous games that failed to come with CD-keys (I had to go back to a store to get a CD key for Black and White, Company of Heroes and Starcraft 2) or DLC codes (I had to convince the store I bought BF3 from that I wasn't trying to screw them out of an online code).
I hope this is just a disc thing, because fuck having more codes to type next gen. Why buy a console at all when I can get the same misery on PC but at least with a better platform in steam to share it in?
If this is too close to discussing used game sales, please let me know, but I have been thinking about the whole "one time activation thing" and did come up with a benefit - no more Gamestop employee "checking out" of games. I know they still have to gut a copy for the purposes of theft reduction but it does mean that copy has to stay in the store which seems like a positive. I'm sure I'm not the only one to buy a new DS game and find a saved game on it Overall actually it seems like the idea of theft becomes a much reduced issue, you have someone break in, steal your stuff, Microsoft can see every license you still hold and push it all onto your replacement console for you.
The odd fallout I thought of would be for things like fighting game tourneys where they need to share a few copies of a game across setups. Could this kind of push those events towards the PS4? I'd see the PAX console freeplay areas being a challenge in the coming years as well...
I honestly cannot recall a single time I've purchased a new game and gotten a defective disc.
I think I've had that happen exactly once with a CD.
I've had to return Lost Odyssey, Kinect Adventures, and Enchanted ArMs due to disk issues, but that's about it. Not bad considering how long I've been using my 360 and just how many games I've purchased.
@Houn I'd allow it, but if I give this thread an inch it'll take 50 pages of Used Game arguing.
Fair enough. Though honestly, now that I think about it, there isn't a whole lot left to discuss. Recommending for the Op:
What We Know:
- Retailers wishing to sell used Xbone games must be Microsoft Authorized and connect to their systems.
- Microsoft will deactivate the existing user license and delete the installed game when the Authorized Retail Outlet buys a used game from a consumer.
- Microsoft will take a cut of the resale for themselves and the publisher in exchange for generating the new Activation Code for the new consumer.
What We Can Assume Until We Hear Differently:
- Independent sales/trades are dead.
- Disc sharing is dead.
I think the power supply is inside there underneath the hard drive.
Yep. They're pretty proud of the whole "no-brick" thing.
Well, the team that designed the power supply last gen got fired when someone high up got really confused when people were complaining about the 360 "bricking".
Looks to me like it's a standard Notebook HDD. So maybe it is replaceable?
It probably is, but it's not user-replaceable like the ones in the current gen.
Also, as regards heat, if you've seen pictures of the console, you've noticed a gloss/matte effect over the body, probably. That matte is 100% venting. Anything not gloss on the box is "vents".
They are NOT screwing around with heat this time.
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Looks to me like it's a standard Notebook HDD. So maybe it is replaceable?
It probably is, but it's not user-replaceable like the ones in the current gen.
Also, as regards heat, if you've seen pictures of the console, you've noticed a gloss/matte effect over the body, probably. That matte is 100% venting. Anything not gloss on the box is "vents".
They are NOT screwing around with heat this time.
With all those vents it will be a good metric to see how dusty your home is... and if you're a smoker... man.
the xbo is allergic to cats.
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Looks to me like it's a standard Notebook HDD. So maybe it is replaceable?
It probably is, but it's not user-replaceable like the ones in the current gen.
Also, as regards heat, if you've seen pictures of the console, you've noticed a gloss/matte effect over the body, probably. That matte is 100% venting. Anything not gloss on the box is "vents".
They are NOT screwing around with heat this time.
With all those vents it will be a good metric to see how dusty your home is... and if you're a smoker... man.
the xbo is allergic to cats.
I thought we knew how the one feels about the whole cat/dog thing from the announcement.
Looks to me like it's a standard Notebook HDD. So maybe it is replaceable?
It probably is, but it's not user-replaceable like the ones in the current gen.
Also, as regards heat, if you've seen pictures of the console, you've noticed a gloss/matte effect over the body, probably. That matte is 100% venting. Anything not gloss on the box is "vents".
They are NOT screwing around with heat this time.
Can't excessive vents be bad for heat dissipation? If you don't have a directed channel for air to flow, it's more difficult to get a constant stream of cool air.
All these images are a bit dubious, but at least it's something to discuss.
Assuming those are real I think you're going to see a fair bit of confusion with moms buying kids games for systems they don't have.
Numbering consoles only really works practically when you count up. Maybe it's time we go back to the Sega method of naming consoles. With names, rather than numbers.
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Oh yeah, that fantastic news! Everyone knows that companies always bear the brunt of added costs, and never pass them on to their consumers. Trickle down economics is the best, right guys?..... Guys?
I think I've had that happen exactly once with a CD.
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I hope this is just a disc thing, because fuck having more codes to type next gen. Why buy a console at all when I can get the same misery on PC but at least with a better platform in steam to share it in?
The odd fallout I thought of would be for things like fighting game tourneys where they need to share a few copies of a game across setups. Could this kind of push those events towards the PS4? I'd see the PAX console freeplay areas being a challenge in the coming years as well...
I've had to return Lost Odyssey, Kinect Adventures, and Enchanted ArMs due to disk issues, but that's about it. Not bad considering how long I've been using my 360 and just how many games I've purchased.
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Fair enough. Though honestly, now that I think about it, there isn't a whole lot left to discuss. Recommending for the Op:
What We Know:
- Retailers wishing to sell used Xbone games must be Microsoft Authorized and connect to their systems.
- Microsoft will deactivate the existing user license and delete the installed game when the Authorized Retail Outlet buys a used game from a consumer.
- Microsoft will take a cut of the resale for themselves and the publisher in exchange for generating the new Activation Code for the new consumer.
What We Can Assume Until We Hear Differently:
- Independent sales/trades are dead.
- Disc sharing is dead.
What We Have No Information About Yet:
- Rentals.
Well, now I know I'm not the Xbox One's BIGGEST fan.
There isn't one.
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My mistake, it's not standard
I think the power supply is inside there underneath the hard drive.
Yep. They're pretty proud of the whole "no-brick" thing.
Well, the team that designed the power supply last gen got fired when someone high up got really confused when people were complaining about the 360 "bricking".
Nowhere on the case were there any indications of ports or covers to remove the HDD.
So yeah.. standard hard drive, but locked to the system. Wouldn't surprise me. Hopefully the VM OS's are not stored on it.
It probably is, but it's not user-replaceable like the ones in the current gen.
Also, as regards heat, if you've seen pictures of the console, you've noticed a gloss/matte effect over the body, probably. That matte is 100% venting. Anything not gloss on the box is "vents".
They are NOT screwing around with heat this time.
Is this verified information?
With all those vents it will be a good metric to see how dusty your home is... and if you're a smoker... man.
the xbo is allergic to cats.
No, I'm going off the posts above that where people were saying it was internal but no one is linking sources.
I thought we knew how the one feels about the whole cat/dog thing from the announcement.
Can't excessive vents be bad for heat dissipation? If you don't have a directed channel for air to flow, it's more difficult to get a constant stream of cool air.
All these images are a bit dubious, but at least it's something to discuss.
Already confirmed a while ago that the HDD isn't removable or replaceable
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Assuming those are real I think you're going to see a fair bit of confusion with moms buying kids games for systems they don't have.
It's not dubious at all.
http://majornelson.com/2013/05/23/this-is-what-the-xbox-one-game-case-will-look-like/
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/
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But it will allow you to use external drives, and since it has usb3.0 it'll be able to power those drives.
Numbering consoles only really works practically when you count up. Maybe it's time we go back to the Sega method of naming consoles. With names, rather than numbers.