a kid with a parent willing to spend that kind of time with them on their schooling who goes to the shittiest public school in the country is still going to beat the curve (as long as he doesnt get stabbed)
If you're going to the shittiest public school in the country, then by definition you're not getting the same investment of parental time.
well right, if you're wealthy enough to homeschool your kid (in most circumstances) they'd be going to, at the worst, a decent middle class school
Not necessarily true, and it misses my point.
If the argument is "homeschooling works because of parental investment regardless of how terrible your public schools are" then it stands to reason that given a sufficiently shitty public school, the 6-8 hour period spent every weekday at school and going to and from school would be better spent at home with the parents.
Feral on
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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Well, that's the thing. Maybe more of them don't even bother taking the test, whereas in a public school, you're kinda peer pressured into it.
I mean sure, there are probably nobel prize winning upper middle class single income families where the instructor parent takes their kids on the magic school bus of learning and academic excellence, but Im willing to bet they are greatly outnumbered by backwoods yokels that dont want the devil putting ideas in their precious Jimmy Dean's brain noodle.
I'm not really sure what the idea with "America's obsession with meat products" comes from. Like, it's not like America just sprung out of the ground overnight and was like "MEEeeeeaaat."
Pretty sure most Western countries have habits like we do in regards to dinner. Hell, Americans probably are more diverse than say England or France. The only difference being French people eat snails.
Americans eat more beef and chicken, on average, than other countries, and we are second in the world for pork consumption
I am in extreme doubt of your statements at this point in time.
I literally just gave a lecture on this to my students
So your solution to factory farming is "eat less meat"?
I don't see how that stops factory farming, it would just be somewhat less factory farming
I don't really get the opposition to cultured meat, eventually it could be a far more eco friendly (and healthier) alternative that doesnt kill any actual animals
Luxembourg is beating us from what data I found. And the rest of them like New Zealand and Australia are really not that much further behind us. Like, the difference, statistically, is almost insignificant.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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Mostly, but not entirely, because Glenn Beck said on his program that Agenda 21 is going to be used by Obama to eminent domain suburban homes and force the residents to relocate to cities
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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theres nothing wrong with homeschooling if u arent insane about it
most of the "U NEED SOCIALISATION" stuff is pretty overblown
the religious element to homeschooling in the states is a problem, but thats more a cultural thing than an inherent property of homeschooling. if uve got a really good parent, why not let them do their parenting thing?
you may also be amused that Catholic opposition in Eastern Europe to Soviet domination was frequently also heavily tinged with white supremacy and anti-semitism
in any case, an economist's disposition here is to presume that talk is cheap: religion is at its core an economic institution, and the words are just dressing; the role that human reason and reflection plays in intermediating how religious rhetoric translates to institutional effect is limited. Until the day that the philosophers and linguists deliver to us a quantitative theory of semiotics, but we are a while away from that.
And I would say -- and have said -- that religion is an inherently political enterprise to provide for the legitimation of timeless/classic modes of hierarchal organization and governance. It has historically bent the knee to/been subordinated and coopted by "secular" power for "secular" ends but also becomes a common mode of opposition to that same "secular" power.
But the problem with calling Religion Politics-by-another-name is that there is then nothing that isn't Politics, by that definition... which becomes highly problematic when you're trying to isolate causal variables -- even if they all stem from the same ur-source (Politics).
yes, well, nobody promised you that macroecon would be easy. I've remarked before that we need newer mathematicals tools.
That depends, do you want the real agenda 21 or the agenda 21 from conservative consciousness?
It's basically a voluntary plan for the 21st century. Think of it like a promise to reduce pollution, promote equality, and so on.
The right-wing looks at it and sees a UN social engineering conspiracy ultimately leading to a left-wing one world police state. Step one, reduce the carbon footprint of the jurisdiction. Step two, submit to thugs wearing jackboots and blue berets.
theres nothing wrong with homeschooling if u arent insane about it
most of the "U NEED SOCIALISATION" stuff is pretty overblown
the religious element to homeschooling in the states is a problem, but thats more a cultural thing than an inherent property of homeschooling. if uve got a really good parent, why not let them do their parenting thing?
pretty much this
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
a kid with a parent willing to spend that kind of time with them on their schooling who goes to the shittiest public school in the country is still going to beat the curve (as long as he doesnt get stabbed)
If you're going to the shittiest public school in the country, then by definition you're not getting the same investment of parental time.
well right, if you're wealthy enough to homeschool your kid (in most circumstances) they'd be going to, at the worst, a decent middle class school
Not necessarily true, and it misses my point.
If the argument is "homeschooling works because of parental investment regardless of how terrible your public schools are" then it stands to reason that given a sufficiently shitty public school, the 6-8 hour period spent every weekday at school and going to and from school would be better spent at home with the parents.
well homeschooler parents are more likely to be educated and have more income than parents of children who go to public school
and household income is the greatest predictor of academic performance anyway
although I'm sure there are some poor households who homeschool instead of sending their kids to PS Shithole or whatever
Well, that's the thing. Maybe more of them don't even bother taking the test, whereas in a public school, you're kinda peer pressured into it.
I mean sure, there are probably nobel prize winning upper middle class single income families where the instructor parent takes their kids on the magic school bus of learning and academic excellence, but Im willing to bet they are greatly outnumbered by backwoods yokels that dont want the devil putting ideas in their precious Jimmy Dean's brain noodle.
Yeah, so it turns out you're exactly backwards about everything you wrote here!
People in public school are not peer pressured to take the SATs - it's just the opposite, outside the subset of high-achievers.
Nobel prize winners send their kids to private academies and don't take huge amounts of time to homeschool their kids, because they're busy winning nobel prizes for shit at their jobs.
Backwoods yokels similarly don't have time to homeschool much because lol economy + poverty
Most homeschoolers are middle-class families where one parent raises the kids and for one reason or another (mostly either religious or 'all my schools are hella terrible') decide to do it themselves.
Lots of times now they band together and do ad-hoc school, often taught by people who have expertise in their fields rather than by people who have expertise in getting a shitty degree in 'education'.
yeah idk where the image of homeschoolers as yokels comes from
they're mostly white middle class families, the religious extremist homeschool thing exists but its a fringe element
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I don't think the need for socialization is overstated. Just overstated that it needs to come from a school system. If you lived in a neighborhood with plenty of kids around, you're probably golden.
That depends, do you want the real agenda 21 or the agenda 21 from conservative consciousness?
It's basically a voluntary plan for the 21st century. Think of it like a promise to reduce pollution, promote equality, and so on.
The right-wing looks at it and sees a UN social engineering conspiracy ultimately leading to a left-wing one world police state. Step one, reduce the carbon footprint of the jurisdiction. Step two, submit to thugs wearing jackboots and blue berets.
Mostly, but not entirely, because Glenn Beck said on his program that Agenda 21 is going to be used by Obama to eminent domain suburban homes and force the residents to relocate to cities
He wrote* a book about it, too.
“We had our own farm once. Land. Rolling hills. Green fields. We raised animals, crops. We owned property. It was ours.”
“What happened to it? Where was it?”
“Far away. It was far away. Laws changed. The Authority owns all the property now.”
Why, I wanted to ask, did the laws change? But I didn’t ask her, didn’t interrupt the stories. If I did, she would shut down and turn her face to the wall. That would be the end of her talking.
“We kept animals on the farm,” she said.
Imagine that! Keeping animals! At every Social Update Meeting they remind us that animals are sacred and belong to the Earth, not to people. Animals are protected. We have to recite, in unison, the Pledge of Animals.
I pledge allegiance to the Earth and to the sacred rights of the Earth and to the Animals of the Earth.
*ie, someone else wrote a book and then he just stuck his name on it
Mostly, but not entirely, because Glenn Beck said on his program that Agenda 21 is going to be used by Obama to eminent domain suburban homes and force the residents to relocate to cities
He wrote* a book about it, too.
“We had our own farm once. Land. Rolling hills. Green fields. We raised animals, crops. We owned property. It was ours.”
“What happened to it? Where was it?”
“Far away. It was far away. Laws changed. The Authority owns all the property now.”
Why, I wanted to ask, did the laws change? But I didn’t ask her, didn’t interrupt the stories. If I did, she would shut down and turn her face to the wall. That would be the end of her talking.
“We kept animals on the farm,” she said.
Imagine that! Keeping animals! At every Social Update Meeting they remind us that animals are sacred and belong to the Earth, not to people. Animals are protected. We have to recite, in unison, the Pledge of Animals.
I pledge allegiance to the Earth and to the sacred rights of the Earth and to the Animals of the Earth.
*ie, someone else wrote a book and then he just stuck his name on it
I dunno. It sounds dumb and poorly-written enough to actually be by him.
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Cinders, I hope you at least got a little shiver out of that.
Not necessarily true, and it misses my point.
If the argument is "homeschooling works because of parental investment regardless of how terrible your public schools are" then it stands to reason that given a sufficiently shitty public school, the 6-8 hour period spent every weekday at school and going to and from school would be better spent at home with the parents.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
The one where the UN turns America into a concentration camp with FEMA trailers in order to further the aims of Environmentalists
Holy shit, does the New World Order all-seeing-eye-man have an Amazon arrow for a smile? Or is that just how it's drawn?
http://geocurrents.info/cultural-geography/culinary-geography/global-geography-of-meat-and-fish-consumption
Well, that's the thing. Maybe more of them don't even bother taking the test, whereas in a public school, you're kinda peer pressured into it.
I mean sure, there are probably nobel prize winning upper middle class single income families where the instructor parent takes their kids on the magic school bus of learning and academic excellence, but Im willing to bet they are greatly outnumbered by backwoods yokels that dont want the devil putting ideas in their precious Jimmy Dean's brain noodle.
Just leaving that out here
So your solution to factory farming is "eat less meat"?
I don't see how that stops factory farming, it would just be somewhat less factory farming
I don't really get the opposition to cultured meat, eventually it could be a far more eco friendly (and healthier) alternative that doesnt kill any actual animals
Luxembourg is beating us from what data I found. And the rest of them like New Zealand and Australia are really not that much further behind us. Like, the difference, statistically, is almost insignificant.
weirdo
with your smarts
A UN resolution for sustainable development, mostly in poor countries
Also a bogeyman for the particularly nutty of the libertarian and tea-party fringe
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
most of the "U NEED SOCIALISATION" stuff is pretty overblown
the religious element to homeschooling in the states is a problem, but thats more a cultural thing than an inherent property of homeschooling. if uve got a really good parent, why not let them do their parenting thing?
yes, well, nobody promised you that macroecon would be easy. I've remarked before that we need newer mathematicals tools.
Eating floppy bacon erryday.
i got a perfect score on the SAT with zero preparation because i am a shining golden god
where is ur god now, atheist
You don't even know what the SAT is
wow
i hadn't heard about that particular type of crazy
that's how good he is
That depends, do you want the real agenda 21 or the agenda 21 from conservative consciousness?
It's basically a voluntary plan for the 21st century. Think of it like a promise to reduce pollution, promote equality, and so on.
The right-wing looks at it and sees a UN social engineering conspiracy ultimately leading to a left-wing one world police state. Step one, reduce the carbon footprint of the jurisdiction. Step two, submit to thugs wearing jackboots and blue berets.
pretty much this
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
well homeschooler parents are more likely to be educated and have more income than parents of children who go to public school
and household income is the greatest predictor of academic performance anyway
although I'm sure there are some poor households who homeschool instead of sending their kids to PS Shithole or whatever
I'd like to also point out both my parents are college professors, and so pretty qualified to teach me or anyone else
Yeah, so it turns out you're exactly backwards about everything you wrote here!
People in public school are not peer pressured to take the SATs - it's just the opposite, outside the subset of high-achievers.
Nobel prize winners send their kids to private academies and don't take huge amounts of time to homeschool their kids, because they're busy winning nobel prizes for shit at their jobs.
Backwoods yokels similarly don't have time to homeschool much because lol economy + poverty
Most homeschoolers are middle-class families where one parent raises the kids and for one reason or another (mostly either religious or 'all my schools are hella terrible') decide to do it themselves.
Lots of times now they band together and do ad-hoc school, often taught by people who have expertise in their fields rather than by people who have expertise in getting a shitty degree in 'education'.
In fact, got 200% on both sections!
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its the thing i took wen i was considerin goin to mit or yale and was in the states for 6 months at cold spring harbour
init
they're mostly white middle class families, the religious extremist homeschool thing exists but its a fringe element
that is awesome
you don't even know what states you're talking about right now
you're just picking words at random you heard on american tv
He wrote* a book about it, too.
*ie, someone else wrote a book and then he just stuck his name on it
my cousin homeschools because of religion : (
she has 7 kids
and her husband is in finance and they have a giant mansion
eh, theyre not that fringe
the homeschooling textbook market is pretty f'ed up from that perspective
i dont even no where i am rite now
I can't name a single democratic politician that thinks animals belong to the earth and you cant own them
I dunno. It sounds dumb and poorly-written enough to actually be by him.
then he got a job at fox and found out there was gold to be had in crazy