Yeah the trash talk was pretty great. I kinda wish however that we would have an episode where the old cybermen meet the new cybermen.
I got annoyed recently when I read the Neil Gaiman interview from the Cybermen issue of the Essential Doctor Who series. Apparently, he wanted the Cybermen in the museum to have been Tenth Planet Cybermen and there was going to a scene at the end with a Cyberman council headed by a Tenth Planet Cyberman.
Thanks for ruining my dream, script editors, producers and budget allocators.
Theyve been trying to bring back.og cybermen since the next doctor
Gaiman didn't just mean Mondasian Cybermen in general. He meant the actual Tenth Planet Cybermen, cloth masks and all. He assumed they'd be able to bring one or two in from the Doctor Who Experience.
I doubt well ever see those again. Maybe the ones with flesh hands updated a bit. I know Davies and Moffat ran into budget issues anytime they tried to get rid of the cybus logo
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There was a pretty great part of that Essential Doctor Who issue where the designer of the original Tenth Planet Cybermen went back to the original brief and redid the design from scratch, in part to make it more practical and comfortable for the actors to wear. It turned out pretty well, I thought.
Also, watching from the beginning of the restart, the confrontation between the Daleks and the Cybermen is just the best thing.
Identify yourselves!
Daleks do not identify themselves !
Confirming you have identified yourselves as Daleks!
Dude still sends children to shoot at people, and doesn't have a moral crisis about it until the immediate threat is over. Which could also describe the Doctor, I suppose, so there's that.
All the same, Joan Redfern is the real moral hero of those episodes.
I think your missing the point here. The doctor became human. They were basically doing the standard hollywood tripe that says humans are screwed up and the worse aliens in the universe at heart. The Doctor just because he suddenly had one heart now can do things like sending kids to war. Only a few mutant humans are worth being around.
Cyberman from one of the early series, titled The Tenth Planet.
Due to the time and budget constraints, the Cyberman presented here looked a lot different from the current versions.
In the comic book series Prisoners of Time, released to celebrate the 50th anniversary, Adam is the villain. After his mother dies he acquires a Vortex Manipulator and plans to kidnap the Doctor's companions for revenge due to the Doctor preventing him from acquiring technology that could have saved her.
It was stupid because they never intended his upgrade to be anything but a selfish power grab. Look at where he worked. Dude was using the Tannen guide to time travel.
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God damn. I was looking forward to seeing "Midnight" again, and it's still better than I remembered. That episode is arguably one of the best science fiction short stories ever told.
Fun thing: if you watch this episode with captions on, the dialogue is presented on screen twice. Slowly moves from presenting them sequentially to simultaneously and then sequentially again as the episode progresses, even when the repeating character isn't visible. Kind of genius.
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God damn. I was looking forward to seeing "Midnight" again, and it's still better than I remembered. That episode is arguably one of the best science fiction short stories ever told.
Fun thing: if you watch this episode with captions on, the dialogue is presented on screen twice. Slowly moves from presenting them sequentially to simultaneously and then sequentially again as the episode progresses, even when the repeating character isn't visible. Kind of genius.
I just watched that one yesterday because I was trying to see if I just was being too harsh on Donna.
Fantastic episode. Which Donna spent the entire time fucking sunbathing, indoors by a pool, because she didn't want to go see a sapphire waterfall, so she, by no small coincidence of this being a great episode, was not involved except for a couple minutes at the beginning and the end.
Yeah. I think my problem is that I wasn't too harsh enough on Donna.
God damn. I was looking forward to seeing "Midnight" again, and it's still better than I remembered. That episode is arguably one of the best science fiction short stories ever told.
Fun thing: if you watch this episode with captions on, the dialogue is presented on screen twice. Slowly moves from presenting them sequentially to simultaneously and then sequentially again as the episode progresses, even when the repeating character isn't visible. Kind of genius.
I just watched that one yesterday because I was trying to see if I just was being too harsh on Donna.
Fantastic episode. Which Donna spent the entire time fucking sunbathing, indoors by a pool, because she didn't want to go see a sapphire waterfall, so she, by no small coincidence of this being a great episode, was not involved except for a couple minutes at the beginning and the end.
Yeah. I think my problem is that I wasn't too harsh enough on Donna.
Watching from the beginning (well, the re-beginning) with my wife, I have only seen one Donna episode so far (we're up to Daleks in Manhatten).
I love Donna a little bit, I also like Martha so far.
God damn. I was looking forward to seeing "Midnight" again, and it's still better than I remembered. That episode is arguably one of the best science fiction short stories ever told.
Fun thing: if you watch this episode with captions on, the dialogue is presented on screen twice. Slowly moves from presenting them sequentially to simultaneously and then sequentially again as the episode progresses, even when the repeating character isn't visible. Kind of genius.
I just watched that one yesterday because I was trying to see if I just was being too harsh on Donna.
Fantastic episode. Which Donna spent the entire time fucking sunbathing, indoors by a pool, because she didn't want to go see a sapphire waterfall, so she, by no small coincidence of this being a great episode, was not involved except for a couple minutes at the beginning and the end.
Yeah. I think my problem is that I wasn't too harsh enough on Donna.
To be fair, Midnight was filmed during the filming for another episode because of constraints on the production team. That's why it's a small cast in a small room with barely any effects.
I guarantee you that the team was filming other Donna w/o the Doctor scene's somewhere
God damn. I was looking forward to seeing "Midnight" again, and it's still better than I remembered. That episode is arguably one of the best science fiction short stories ever told.
Fun thing: if you watch this episode with captions on, the dialogue is presented on screen twice. Slowly moves from presenting them sequentially to simultaneously and then sequentially again as the episode progresses, even when the repeating character isn't visible. Kind of genius.
I just watched that one yesterday because I was trying to see if I just was being too harsh on Donna.
Fantastic episode. Which Donna spent the entire time fucking sunbathing, indoors by a pool, because she didn't want to go see a sapphire waterfall, so she, by no small coincidence of this being a great episode, was not involved except for a couple minutes at the beginning and the end.
Yeah. I think my problem is that I wasn't too harsh enough on Donna.
To be fair, Midnight was filmed during the filming for another episode because of constraints on the production team. That's why it's a small cast in a small room with barely any effects.
I guarantee you that the team was filming other Donna w/o the Doctor scene's somewhere
I don't remember. At the end of Asylum of the Daleks they didn't recognise him but in Smith's last episode they must have done, as he had apparently kept them at bay for several hundred years. In that town called Christmas Town for no reason.
It was posted earlier, but that bit with Rose and the Daleks. When she tells them that man is the Doctor, and they all do a dalek version of staggering back.
"Five million cybermen, easy. One Doctor? Now you're scared."
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
Again we get hints that the current Dr is intentionally being presented as a mild sociopath in the line about Clara being practiced at a making excuses for him. I wonder if we're going somewhere with this.
I hope not, I'm sick of the storylines focused on the Doctor's goodness or lack thereof. More adventures in space and time, and less pontifications on the nature of the Doctor, please.
He's certainly still a good man (or trying to be) as clearly discussed and established in the first few episodes of this series. He's just also being a bit of a dick to be in the same room as at the moment.
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The good man storyline is a natural progression from Eleven being the Man Who Forgets so he can act like a child. Twelve is someone who remembers and accepts all his past lives, despite superficially being a doddering old forgetful man.
He has been much quicker to give up on people that he can't save, but that makes plenty sense; he's just spent 900 years trapped on Trenzalore in a no win situation.
Oh brilliant
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This weekend's episode looks like it'll be fun, kind of a sequel to 'The Lodger': http://bbc.in/1qyIa0C
Blink is a good episode but I quickly realized the Angels are just Boos from Mario Bros and I couldn't stop chuckling at the idea of David Tenant dressed as Mario.
Okay. Watched the season 3 finale. Hard to believe it went from Blink to such incredible silliness as a worldwide psychic field and everybody clapping their hands and saying "I believe in Doctors"
Martha had seem really strong points, but a lot of it was ruined by her pining for the Doctor. Good on her for removing herself from the situation at the end of the series, though.
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Martha's other problem was her immensely-overbearing and hyper-busybody mother who fell hook, line, and sinker for a complete psycho's act because because the lady just could not believe that Martha could make real grown-up decisions on her own. Rose's mother was obnoxious, but at least she was simply upset with Rose's choices instead of trying to just plain take over her life; she wasn't the brightest crayon in the box, but she cared enough about her kid to be concerned but not get in her way.
Though it makes a hell of a lot of sense why Martha's father left her mother and why Martha's family was fucked up. I couldn't hardly stand the lady for minutes at a time; being married to that would've been a total nightmare.
I enjoy them, but the Davies finales upped the ante on ridiculousness every single series. It's like he wrote them entirely while any potential editor or naysayer was out on vacation.
Lots of fun, but also complete fucking tonal train wrecks. That somehow mostly work!
Martha had seem really strong points, but a lot of it was ruined by her pining for the Doctor. Good on her for removing herself from the situation at the end of the series, though.
Martha had seem really strong points, but a lot of it was ruined by her pining for the Doctor. Good on her for removing herself from the situation at the end of the series, though.
Her crush on the Doctor was a little much at times, but just about everything else she did was aces. And I'm going to forgive the mother because mass hypnosis or something. I watched the Titanic/Poseidon Adventure episode but continuing will have to wait until later tonight, though it looks like Donna's coming back, who I also quite liked for her one show last season.
Martha had seem really strong points, but a lot of it was ruined by her pining for the Doctor. Good on her for removing herself from the situation at the end of the series, though.
Her crush on the Doctor was a little much at times, but just about everything else she did was aces. And I'm going to forgive the mother because mass hypnosis or something. I watched the Titanic/Poseidon Adventure episode but continuing will have to wait until later tonight, though it looks like Donna's coming back, who I also quite liked for her one show last season.
My wife and I just finished watching S3 the other night, and I started noticing in the latter episodes they didn't even really have her pining for the Doctor.
Except, then they suddenly would, and I think that is what made it so bad.
Episode after episode (after the first few in the season) there would be nothing, really, indicating that she had any overt feelings for him, and then out of nowhere they'd make it a big dramatic thing, almost to just remind themselves that they needed that ongoing plotline for her exit.
It was dumb, and it was jarring every time she'd suddenly switch to lovesick puppy mode because it often felt completely out of character.
It didn't help anything that, while I think Freema did about as good as you could possibly do with the scripts/role she was given, there was zero chemistry between her and Tennant.
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Then they also watched him regenerate and take out a fleet.
So even if they didn't know about him before, seems like they'd be back up to speed.
Gaiman didn't just mean Mondasian Cybermen in general. He meant the actual Tenth Planet Cybermen, cloth masks and all. He assumed they'd be able to bring one or two in from the Doctor Who Experience.
I think your missing the point here. The doctor became human. They were basically doing the standard hollywood tripe that says humans are screwed up and the worse aliens in the universe at heart. The Doctor just because he suddenly had one heart now can do things like sending kids to war. Only a few mutant humans are worth being around.
Apparently he becomes a super villain.
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Also, can anyone give a short hand version of what a tenth planet Cyberman is?
Cyberman from one of the early series, titled The Tenth Planet.
Due to the time and budget constraints, the Cyberman presented here looked a lot different from the current versions.
=P
Fun thing: if you watch this episode with captions on, the dialogue is presented on screen twice. Slowly moves from presenting them sequentially to simultaneously and then sequentially again as the episode progresses, even when the repeating character isn't visible. Kind of genius.
Fantastic episode. Which Donna spent the entire time fucking sunbathing, indoors by a pool, because she didn't want to go see a sapphire waterfall, so she, by no small coincidence of this being a great episode, was not involved except for a couple minutes at the beginning and the end.
Yeah. I think my problem is that I wasn't too harsh enough on Donna.
Watching from the beginning (well, the re-beginning) with my wife, I have only seen one Donna episode so far (we're up to Daleks in Manhatten).
I love Donna a little bit, I also like Martha so far.
I'll see if that changes over time.
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To be fair, Midnight was filmed during the filming for another episode because of constraints on the production team. That's why it's a small cast in a small room with barely any effects.
I guarantee you that the team was filming other Donna w/o the Doctor scene's somewhere
The logical choice is Turn Left.
Smith actually confronts them about this in the special, they note
It was posted earlier, but that bit with Rose and the Daleks. When she tells them that man is the Doctor, and they all do a dalek version of staggering back.
"Five million cybermen, easy. One Doctor? Now you're scared."
He has been much quicker to give up on people that he can't save, but that makes plenty sense; he's just spent 900 years trapped on Trenzalore in a no win situation.
"HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOT OTTERS!"
That's okay, I never really liked sleeping.
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I kind of love Martha though.
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Though it makes a hell of a lot of sense why Martha's father left her mother and why Martha's family was fucked up. I couldn't hardly stand the lady for minutes at a time; being married to that would've been a total nightmare.
Lots of fun, but also complete fucking tonal train wrecks. That somehow mostly work!
ok
I guess.
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Everything else was pretty great.
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maybe don't put that right after a person is just introduced to the character?
edit: i guess it's kinda okay. i forgot her tenure.
Though I did like:
Her crush on the Doctor was a little much at times, but just about everything else she did was aces. And I'm going to forgive the mother because mass hypnosis or something. I watched the Titanic/Poseidon Adventure episode but continuing will have to wait until later tonight, though it looks like Donna's coming back, who I also quite liked for her one show last season.
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My wife and I just finished watching S3 the other night, and I started noticing in the latter episodes they didn't even really have her pining for the Doctor.
Except, then they suddenly would, and I think that is what made it so bad.
Episode after episode (after the first few in the season) there would be nothing, really, indicating that she had any overt feelings for him, and then out of nowhere they'd make it a big dramatic thing, almost to just remind themselves that they needed that ongoing plotline for her exit.
It was dumb, and it was jarring every time she'd suddenly switch to lovesick puppy mode because it often felt completely out of character.
It didn't help anything that, while I think Freema did about as good as you could possibly do with the scripts/role she was given, there was zero chemistry between her and Tennant.
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