One time I came home to find my sister watching Love and Monsters and I'm like 'hey, I like this episode, I don't know why it got so many bad reviews online' and she's like 'what?! it's one of the best episodes in the whole series!' and I'm like 'I know right?' and then we brofisted
Then you saw the ending vomited for an hour and came to your senses right?
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Also you run into issues like 'Which version of the sinking of Atlantis should we watch first?' and 'When is any of this UNIT stuff even set? No, seriously, does anyone have any idea?'
Did anyone besides me think that Pierce’s line in this week’s Community about ranking his marriages was a stealth reference to Doctor Who? “If I had to rank them, I’d go 4th, 7th, 2nd, 5th, 1st, 3rd, 6th ... No, wait, 1st, then 5th.”
Also, watching from the beginning of the restart, the confrontation between the Daleks and the Cybermen is just the best thing.
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NuCompanions:
#1 Rory
#2 Donna
#3 Wilf
#4 Amy
#5 Rose
#6 Clara
#7 Martha
#8 Mickey
Rory, Donna and Wilf all grounded the Doctor in interesting ways, and provided a dynamic that was something other than "plucky young girl with remarkable personal faith who probably wants to date the Doctor". And Amy was actually able to transcend that substantially because of Rory being in the picture, while Rose actually took it to its unfortunate conclusion.
But then my opinions are pretty odd; I thought God Complex was excellent (and a better send-off to Rory and Amy than The Angels Take Manhattan ever was).
I think I am the only person who the companions are mostly just background noise for. I mean I enjoy some more that others, Clara is ok (bossy control freak aspect aside) but I am all about the Doctor. I couldn't rank companions since I don't pay that much attention to them.
Basically the only strong opinion I've ever had RE:companions is Donna is annoying.
The best part of Queer as Folk (UK) is when one of the characters breaks up with someone because he can't name all the actors who played the Doctor
And that RTD wrote the line "McGann doesn't count" in one of those exchanges, only to get the reins of Doctor Who a couple years later and explicitly acknowledge McGann, making him count!
Also, watching from the beginning of the restart, the confrontation between the Daleks and the Cybermen is just the best thing.
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I'd forgotten this exchange, but I've been doing my own rewatch, and I cracked up throughout. Such a great back and forth, and it just keeps going. Love it.
I'd also forgotten how much goofier the Davies run was. Not just the events and plots, but the style of jokes, the pacing, even the camerawork all feel like a much sillier show. I've had a hard time maintaining interest throughout Moffat's tenure, and I think some of the show's light hearted nature might have been reduced once Smith stepped in. Not done away with, but reined in along with some of the more extreme melodrama.
I'm looking forward to hitting the changeover so I can reassess the last few series in that light.
Also, as somebody who has shit on the human John Smith character from the Family of Blood business, I'll scale back my opinion that the guy is an irredeemable piece of shit after watching those episodes again. Instead he is a piece of shit with a glimmer of something better. Dude still sends children to shoot at people, and doesn't have a moral crisis about it until the immediate threat is over. Which could also describe the Doctor, I suppose, so there's that.
All the same, Joan Redfern is the real moral hero of those episodes.
What happened to Sue White (Missy)? Significant mystery scenes in the first two episodes, then not so much as a glimpse for the next three! Very odd.
She got a mention in Sherwood - the robot ship's navigation was set to "The Promised Land" and the Doc mentioned the 'woman in the shop' regarding the phone ringing at the start of Time Heist, if we're assuming that woman is Missy.
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I wouldn't be surprised to learn that some of these episodes may have had Missy scenes planned or even filmed but that were cut for time. After all, twice is enough for us to get the point; I'm certainly not going to be surprised if, say, the Sheriff of Nottingham turns up alongside cyber-guy and soldier girl in the big finale.
Yeah the trash talk was pretty great. I kinda wish however that we would have an episode where the old cybermen meet the new cybermen.
I got annoyed recently when I read the Neil Gaiman interview from the Cybermen issue of the Essential Doctor Who series. Apparently, he wanted the Cybermen in the museum to have been Tenth Planet Cybermen and there was going to a scene at the end with a Cyberman council headed by a Tenth Planet Cyberman.
Thanks for ruining my dream, script editors, producers and budget allocators.
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So how many people here noticed that the Narrator from 'The Stanley Parable' was the voice of the Bank's computer system?
DRX, as much as I respect your insight on all things who, I am not sure you will ever convince me that Donna was not really annoying.
Donna is so obnoxious as a character that I literally cannot even understand why anyone could like her over everybody else as a companion, unless the factors are entirely a) was not interested in the amazing time-traveling space-god (which was overused, but c'mon, at least that's pretty reasonable) or b) based liking Donna solely on the great job that the actress did of portraying a fantastically irritating character who had no place running around time and space. I genuinely question what I missed that other people see in her, because I can't see anything.
I mean, I can totally get people not like Rose or Martha or Amy or Rory for whatever reasons. But Donna always felt like... a punishment for the Doctor, not a companion. It was like he called up a temp agency and they said "sorry, you are too awesome and have too much fun doing amazing things, here's the human equivalent of a boulder around your neck because you just aren't suffering enough." Least worthwhile companion to show the universe to, by a wide margin. Sure, we don't at all need plucky young women to be Companions, but there were zillion better options there than somebody who you would hate spending five minutes on a bus ride with.
Even drag-along Mickey, who starts out as an obnoxious character, figures out how to make something of the amazing things the Doctor shows him, and without needing some deus ex machina to make it happen.
Hell, the dude that showed up for all of an episode in Season 1 and got his brain replaced by a satellite dish or whatever. He was more sympathetic and enjoyable than Donna.
One thing I've liked about the new season is that there seems to be much less fainting on the part of the rest of the cast whenever the Doctor shows up. The bad guys don't hiss in terror and he's not the most famous man in the galaxy. He's a guy who shows up and surprises people and has adventures and nobody in the background makes a speech about how amazing they've heard he is.
One thing I've liked about the new season is that there seems to be much less fainting on the part of the rest of the cast whenever the Doctor shows up. The bad guys don't hiss in terror and he's not the most famous man in the galaxy. He's a guy who shows up and surprises people and has adventures and nobody in the background makes a speech about how amazing they've heard he is.
Except the Daleks, I guess.
It's fine when the Daleks do it; they're his arch-enemies. It wouldn't do for Dr. Doom to have to be reminded who ACCURSED RICHARDS is every week, after all.
But yes, I agree. Maybe it's just dumb luck and we got a run of episodes that coincientally happened not to do this annoying thing, but I certainly hope it marks the start of a trend.
Also I have been watching Seeds of Doom for the first time in several decades. I like the way the show basically took on familiar SF/horror stories and tried to crank the concept up a little. Brain of Morbius is obviously Frankenstein, and Seeds of Doom is obviously The Thing.
Again, the wide and well-developed supporting cast is a joy. You have the three Arctic scientists, the bad guy, his butler, a corrupt UNIT official, a couple of higher up UNIT dudes, the bad guy's two henchmen, a dotty old lady and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all. And almost all are well developed. Elbow room to do this sort of thing was something that had to be traded away, which is a shame, but as Jake has noted several times even with more space in something like the specials, Moffat strggles to give supporting characters definition.
And look, it's Boycey from Only Fools And Horses as a henchman and Camp Freddie from The Italian Job as the bad guy.
Yeah the trash talk was pretty great. I kinda wish however that we would have an episode where the old cybermen meet the new cybermen.
I got annoyed recently when I read the Neil Gaiman interview from the Cybermen issue of the Essential Doctor Who series. Apparently, he wanted the Cybermen in the museum to have been Tenth Planet Cybermen and there was going to a scene at the end with a Cyberman council headed by a Tenth Planet Cyberman.
Thanks for ruining my dream, script editors, producers and budget allocators.
Theyve been trying to bring back.og cybermen since the next doctor
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We're back to the Daleks not knowing who he is, right?
I don't remember. At the end of Asylum of the Daleks they didn't recognise him but in Smith's last episode they must have done, as he had apparently kept them at bay for several hundred years. In that town called Christmas Town for no reason.
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Capaldi doctor would not have bothered.
That is what I like about British TV. Way more dark.
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#1 Rory
#2 Donna
#3 Wilf
#4 Amy
#5 Rose
#6 Clara
#7 Martha
#8 Mickey
Rory, Donna and Wilf all grounded the Doctor in interesting ways, and provided a dynamic that was something other than "plucky young girl with remarkable personal faith who probably wants to date the Doctor". And Amy was actually able to transcend that substantially because of Rory being in the picture, while Rose actually took it to its unfortunate conclusion.
But then my opinions are pretty odd; I thought God Complex was excellent (and a better send-off to Rory and Amy than The Angels Take Manhattan ever was).
Basically the only strong opinion I've ever had RE:companions is Donna is annoying.
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Ricky was the companion and the Doctor was Rory's companion.
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While Donna is still my favorite companion of new Who, Wilf is far and away the best part time companion. He's just the best, at everything.
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I'd forgotten this exchange, but I've been doing my own rewatch, and I cracked up throughout. Such a great back and forth, and it just keeps going. Love it.
I'd also forgotten how much goofier the Davies run was. Not just the events and plots, but the style of jokes, the pacing, even the camerawork all feel like a much sillier show. I've had a hard time maintaining interest throughout Moffat's tenure, and I think some of the show's light hearted nature might have been reduced once Smith stepped in. Not done away with, but reined in along with some of the more extreme melodrama.
I'm looking forward to hitting the changeover so I can reassess the last few series in that light.
Also, as somebody who has shit on the human John Smith character from the Family of Blood business, I'll scale back my opinion that the guy is an irredeemable piece of shit after watching those episodes again. Instead he is a piece of shit with a glimmer of something better. Dude still sends children to shoot at people, and doesn't have a moral crisis about it until the immediate threat is over. Which could also describe the Doctor, I suppose, so there's that.
All the same, Joan Redfern is the real moral hero of those episodes.
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There is one thing Cybermen excel at over Daleks...
What is that?
DYING!
(and yeah, that may be my favorite episode
THE DOCTOR WILL OPEN THE ARC
Nyahahahah the Doctor will not!
I got annoyed recently when I read the Neil Gaiman interview from the Cybermen issue of the Essential Doctor Who series. Apparently, he wanted the Cybermen in the museum to have been Tenth Planet Cybermen and there was going to a scene at the end with a Cyberman council headed by a Tenth Planet Cyberman.
Thanks for ruining my dream, script editors, producers and budget allocators.
Kudos if you did.
I mean, I can totally get people not like Rose or Martha or Amy or Rory for whatever reasons. But Donna always felt like... a punishment for the Doctor, not a companion. It was like he called up a temp agency and they said "sorry, you are too awesome and have too much fun doing amazing things, here's the human equivalent of a boulder around your neck because you just aren't suffering enough." Least worthwhile companion to show the universe to, by a wide margin. Sure, we don't at all need plucky young women to be Companions, but there were zillion better options there than somebody who you would hate spending five minutes on a bus ride with.
Even drag-along Mickey, who starts out as an obnoxious character, figures out how to make something of the amazing things the Doctor shows him, and without needing some deus ex machina to make it happen.
Rory
Captain Jack
Amy
Martha
Wilf
Rose
Clara
Mickey
Donna
actually I don't think Mickey can be counted as a companion. I interjected Jack into the scene when I realized this. As for the doctors.
Capaldi
Tennant
Smith
Eccleston
i may be broken.
Except the Daleks, I guess.
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It's fine when the Daleks do it; they're his arch-enemies. It wouldn't do for Dr. Doom to have to be reminded who ACCURSED RICHARDS is every week, after all.
But yes, I agree. Maybe it's just dumb luck and we got a run of episodes that coincientally happened not to do this annoying thing, but I certainly hope it marks the start of a trend.
Again, the wide and well-developed supporting cast is a joy. You have the three Arctic scientists, the bad guy, his butler, a corrupt UNIT official, a couple of higher up UNIT dudes, the bad guy's two henchmen, a dotty old lady and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all. And almost all are well developed. Elbow room to do this sort of thing was something that had to be traded away, which is a shame, but as Jake has noted several times even with more space in something like the specials, Moffat strggles to give supporting characters definition.
And look, it's Boycey from Only Fools And Horses as a henchman and Camp Freddie from The Italian Job as the bad guy.
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Theyve been trying to bring back.og cybermen since the next doctor
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Might've just meant the new face tho.
say what you will about Donna that scene will make me laugh every single time