Depending on the comic Green Arrow is Batman with arrows.
And plenty of Arrow characters have popped up. Though frankly I couldn't care less which original rogues gallery they come from so long as the show is good.
Exactly. Who cares if they are respecting cannon no one knows, if the show is good then we'll keep tuning in. I mean we watch even with Laurel being terrible.
The problem with comics books these days is the canon. Like you can't write anything without consulting 50 years of comic book history and woe unto the writer that writes anything that contradicts said history. Which is fine if not for the fact that comics have had several writers over the decades and they couldn't all be winners.
That's the nice thing about these modern tv/film adaptions. You can take the canon that works, ditch the canon that doesn't and best of all rework the non-working canon into something that actually fits today.
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While I don't demand slavish devotion to the comics out of this show, I do think they dropped the ball on some of the villains
Some examples (Season 1 spoilers)
in the comics, the BlackHawks were a multinational fighter squadron during WWII that fought the Axis and generally kicked ass. Turning them into a modern PMC fits, but having them robbing armored cars because "fuck the government" just ain't right
Firefly was always basically an arsonist, but in the comics it's mainly for hire and not because he melted his face off. Plus he didn't have his sweet ass jetpack
Both of those could have been way more interesting
I liked in this last episode where they had two fights going on at the same time with one on the floor and one on the catwalk with both of them playing out at the same time, it was just cool to see.
Fire Villains are boring on tv shows because the fire effects can only be so much. That and fire is just kind of a boring villain "I'm going to burn stuff!" Ok cool burning got it!
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Yeah I didn't mind him as a one off, just don't see the need for a big thing. Like the doll guy, though I guess in the comics he was not really much of a villain.
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You know what's not boring? Jetpacks! Also, Ollie could have at least used a fire fighting foam arrow or something
before you pooh pooh that, this came out of like 6 canisters
Anyways, the doll dude I'd never heard of before, but according to Wikipedia he's pretty much exactly like his comic book counterpart, except Batman caught him there
Depending on the comic Green Arrow is Batman with arrows.
And plenty of Arrow characters have popped up. Though frankly I couldn't care less which original rogues gallery they come from so long as the show is good.
Exactly. Who cares if they are respecting cannon no one knows, if the show is good then we'll keep tuning in. I mean we watch even with Laurel being terrible.
The problem with comics books these days is the canon. Like you can't write anything without consulting 50 years of comic book history and woe unto the writer that writes anything that contradicts said history. Which is fine if not for the fact that comics have had several writers over the decades and they couldn't all be winners.
Its technically inaccurate to say DC and Marvel have comics that have 50 years worth of canon. DC routinely reboots its universe and Marvel regularly retcons events (DC does this too). Your issue with continuity isn't continuity itself its bad continuity. Mined correctly canon isn't an anchor.
That's the nice thing about these modern tv/film adaptions. You can take the canon that works, ditch the canon that doesn't and best of all rework the non-working canon into something that actually fits today.
This show is fun, but it does have some pretty significant problems. Note that I've only seen Season 1 on Netflix.
1) You can't get invested at all in "The Island" plotline because we know Olly makes it out by himself. So, every time he's threatened, my reaction is "meh" because I know he makes it. Every time someone else is threatened my reaction is "meh" because I know they either don't make it off the island, or they do so without Olly.
This is not a story that starts with then end and then the rest is a flashback explaining it. This is a "whodunit" that starts out with the reveal and then flash backs to all of the story up to the reveal.
2) I'm really worried that like "Lost", they have no concrete plan for "The Island".
3) Too many of the characters go through the same emotional arc. For example, both Olly and Diggle having to face up to the costs of honor and duty.
4) Why is the billion dollar baby sister slumming with some guy from the ghetto, and why does she keep going back to the same part of town to visit him after she gets roughed up basically every time?
5) They haven't addressed the fact that Olly has burned one or more pages of "The Book". So there can be unknown person(s) listed.
6) Does "The Book" even matter anymore after the resolution of Season 1? I mean, he defeated the evil rich persons club plot to level the ghetto.
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This show is fun, but it does have some pretty significant problems. Note that I've only seen Season 1 on Netflix.
1) You can't get invested at all in "The Island" plotline because we know Olly makes it out by himself. So, every time he's threatened, my reaction is "meh" because I know he makes it. Every time someone else is threatened my reaction is "meh" because I know they either don't make it off the island, or they do so without Olly.
This is not a story that starts with then end and then the rest is a flashback explaining it. This is a "whodunit" that starts out with the reveal and then flash backs to all of the story up to the reveal.
2) I'm really worried that like "Lost", they have no concrete plan for "The Island".
3) Too many of the characters go through the same emotional arc. For example, both Olly and Diggle having to face up to the costs of honor and duty.
4) Why is the billion dollar baby sister slumming with some guy from the ghetto, and why does she keep going back to the same part of town to visit him after she gets roughed up basically every time?
5) They haven't addressed the fact that Olly has burned one or more pages of "The Book". So there can be unknown person(s) listed.
6) Does "The Book" even matter anymore after the resolution of Season 1? I mean, he defeated the evil rich persons club plot to level the ghetto.
I dunno man I agree with you that the island plotline is not really going places but it could work. Of course you know he makes it, you know that he makes it because he is the main character of the show and it's not yet finished. It's just backstory that maybe could do with a little trimming.
Sister is drawn to bad boy and a teenager thus stupid.
And no the book doesn't matter any more. That was the plot in season 1, season 2 has a new plot.
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Regarding the island so far
I really like the island flashback parts. it is a great way to show how he became who he now is. It showcases how he picked up his various skills. I can't wait to find out how he became a captain in the Russian mob!
They are moving their own storyline forward, but it doesn't necessarily tie into whats going on in the present. Like even when they dealt with Sarah exclusively it wasn't even explaining her Canary background, just how she managed to not die in her underwear being all sexy and damp.
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They are moving their own storyline forward, but it doesn't necessarily tie into whats going on in the present. Like even when they dealt with Sarah exclusively it wasn't even explaining her Canary background, just how she managed to not die in her underwear being all sexy and dampmoist.
sorry, i had too.
i think the island stuff is a nice parallel to the present day and a great way of feeding us back story without an info dump while also drawing out the mystery a bit.
It's nice when the island ties into the present day story, but even when it doesn't it is still probably my favorite part of the show. Slade and Shadow are just way more interesting to me than Diggle, Felicity, and most of all Laurel.
I like them using the island to show his transformation as a person as well. They do a good job of that. I am curious with the recent dual flashbacks and how that will go. Second season has set up two good plot lines and I am excited to see how they end.
1. First is Brother Blood and his cult. Using drugs and other supplies to build an army. Being a preacher of good to the world. I am enjoying him as a villain.
2.Ras, the League and BC. Personally I don't see them cutting this yet. Black Canary is already more interesting than her sister. I am curious to see what happened to turn her into this pitiless killing machine. I am also a sucker for Ras. He might be a Batman b-lister but I enjoy the stories with him. I find him an interesting enemy for a super hero since he is as much myth as man.
3. Also watching BC and GA fight together was so much fun.
While I don't demand slavish devotion to the comics out of this show, I do think they dropped the ball on some of the villains
Some examples (Season 1 spoilers)
in the comics, the BlackHawks were a multinational fighter squadron during WWII that fought the Axis and generally kicked ass. Turning them into a modern PMC fits, but having them robbing armored cars because "fuck the government" just ain't right
Firefly was always basically an arsonist, but in the comics it's mainly for hire and not because he melted his face off. Plus he didn't have his sweet ass jetpack
Both of those could have been way more interesting
On the second villian you mention, I think we got an origin story, and there is alot more to come.
Like even when they dealt with Sarah exclusively it wasn't even explaining her Canary background, just how she managed to not die in her underwear being all sexy and damp.
That's explanation's obvious - the show was giving fan service to the male audience. lol
While I don't demand slavish devotion to the comics out of this show, I do think they dropped the ball on some of the villains
Some examples (Season 1 spoilers)
in the comics, the BlackHawks were a multinational fighter squadron during WWII that fought the Axis and generally kicked ass. Turning them into a modern PMC fits, but having them robbing armored cars because "fuck the government" just ain't right
Firefly was always basically an arsonist, but in the comics it's mainly for hire and not because he melted his face off. Plus he didn't have his sweet ass jetpack
Both of those could have been way more interesting
On the second villian you mention, I think we got an origin story, and there is alot more to come.
The show does seem to be setting up something of a Chekhov's arsenal with all the comic references and characters that show up just long enough to establish their backgrounds and badassedness. It'd be a shame if some of those don't come back in the future.
I believe the theme for this years Arrow was "City of Heroes" it can be assumed characters will be coming and going. Much like Ollie at a Lance family reunion.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Huntress's actress was terrible. Though BC does have that awful side kick cliche, so not all awesome.
Nightwing could be interesting depending on how they do him.
Well if this rumor ends up being true I don't have high hopes, I've never really been very impressed with the actor on TVD, though that might have just been the result of writing giving him terrible plot lines.
I believe the theme for this years Arrow was "City of Heroes" it can be assumed characters will be coming and going. Much like Ollie at a Lance family reunion.
Goddamn it now I really want Huntress in season 2.
He looks like a more fit version of Norman Reedus, not a compliment. And you watch the Vampire Diaries? BURN THE HERETIC!
It's actually a good show once you get past the bad relationship drama and onto the people dieing bloody (decapitations/ hearts being ripped from chest) on a regular basis part.
He looks like a more fit version of Norman Reedus, not a compliment. And you watch the Vampire Diaries? BURN THE HERETIC!
It's actually a good show once you get past the bad relationship drama and onto the people dieing bloody (decapitations/ hearts being ripped from chest) on a regular basis part.
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The problem with comics books these days is the canon. Like you can't write anything without consulting 50 years of comic book history and woe unto the writer that writes anything that contradicts said history. Which is fine if not for the fact that comics have had several writers over the decades and they couldn't all be winners.
That's the nice thing about these modern tv/film adaptions. You can take the canon that works, ditch the canon that doesn't and best of all rework the non-working canon into something that actually fits today.
Some examples (Season 1 spoilers)
Firefly was always basically an arsonist, but in the comics it's mainly for hire and not because he melted his face off. Plus he didn't have his sweet ass jetpack
Both of those could have been way more interesting
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Honestly he's pretty much perfect for a one off episode.
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Anyways, the doll dude I'd never heard of before, but according to Wikipedia he's pretty much exactly like his comic book counterpart, except Batman caught him there
Gwen Stacy's more interesting in Amazing Spider-man. lol
Its technically inaccurate to say DC and Marvel have comics that have 50 years worth of canon. DC routinely reboots its universe and Marvel regularly retcons events (DC does this too). Your issue with continuity isn't continuity itself its bad continuity. Mined correctly canon isn't an anchor.
Agreed.
all of my problems with the show, pretty much, would be solved by Laurel dying
except that a bunch of characters would get really mopey about it
ok, now normally i would never suggest this but just bare with me here, i think i have a solution to that problem.
Mass Selective Amnesia!
This is not a story that starts with then end and then the rest is a flashback explaining it. This is a "whodunit" that starts out with the reveal and then flash backs to all of the story up to the reveal.
2) I'm really worried that like "Lost", they have no concrete plan for "The Island".
3) Too many of the characters go through the same emotional arc. For example, both Olly and Diggle having to face up to the costs of honor and duty.
4) Why is the billion dollar baby sister slumming with some guy from the ghetto, and why does she keep going back to the same part of town to visit him after she gets roughed up basically every time?
5) They haven't addressed the fact that Olly has burned one or more pages of "The Book". So there can be unknown person(s) listed.
6) Does "The Book" even matter anymore after the resolution of Season 1? I mean, he defeated the evil rich persons club plot to level the ghetto.
Sister is drawn to bad boy and a teenager thus stupid.
And no the book doesn't matter any more. That was the plot in season 1, season 2 has a new plot.
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sorry, i had too.
i think the island stuff is a nice parallel to the present day and a great way of feeding us back story without an info dump while also drawing out the mystery a bit.
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2.Ras, the League and BC. Personally I don't see them cutting this yet. Black Canary is already more interesting than her sister. I am curious to see what happened to turn her into this pitiless killing machine. I am also a sucker for Ras. He might be a Batman b-lister but I enjoy the stories with him. I find him an interesting enemy for a super hero since he is as much myth as man.
3. Also watching BC and GA fight together was so much fun.
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On the second villian you mention, I think we got an origin story, and there is alot more to come.
That's explanation's obvious - the show was giving fan service to the male audience. lol
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Heh. Someone needs to fill in for Huntress since the actress moved to Dracula (which probably will be cancelled in six months).
Fangirls are going to explode when Ollie meets Nightwing.
Nightwing could be interesting depending on how they do him.
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I thought she was adequate for the role. She filled out that costume perfectly too.
Agreed.
edit: Huntress actress can be replaced if she isn't coming back. We have precedent now.
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Well if this rumor ends up being true I don't have high hopes, I've never really been very impressed with the actor on TVD, though that might have just been the result of writing giving him terrible plot lines.
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Goddamn it now I really want Huntress in season 2.
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"What's that Laurel, these triplets are your long lost cousins? why of course they can stay at my mansion"
It's actually a good show once you get past the bad relationship drama and onto the people dieing bloody (decapitations/ hearts being ripped from chest) on a regular basis part.
The cast is also really pretty.