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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    So, did we get brainwashed to think that meat is delicious, too?
    Sort of, people's taste in food is partly determined by the culture we are living in. Some cultures eat less (or no) meat, others eat fermented fish.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Isn't flossing more about gum health?

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    SticksSticks I'd rather be in bed.Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    On the other hand, grain farming basically gave us tooth decay, so plants aren't above reproach.

    If we pack in this whole civilization thing we can stop flossing.

    Actually, flossing doesn't actually help with tooth care.

    My mind has been shattered. Nothing is true. Up is down. Maybe they did fake those moon landings...

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    I mean, as long as you have sources of protein in your diet, you don't need to eat meat. And dairy is not great for a large portion of the population.

    So it's not wrong on the surface.
    On the contrary, I'd say that makes it super wrong. We can't very well be brainwashed into thinking we need meat if it's fairly common knowledge that you don't.

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    SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    A meal isn't a meal unless an animal died in order to make it.

    Also, meat tastes better if the animal had a name when it died.

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    ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Entaru wrote: »
    When Obama is out of office I would love a buddy movie with him and Bill Clinton traveling in a Black Semi messing with people.

    Every scene ends with Bill Murray joining them, then they all lean in and whisper "Nobody will ever believe you."

    ... which sounds ominous but obviously in this movie they would all be getting up to wacky shenanigans and epic hijinx and the person is left dazed, confused, and perhaps a bit overwhelmed, but safe.

    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    Hi
    Sticks wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    On the other hand, grain farming basically gave us tooth decay, so plants aren't above reproach.

    If we pack in this whole civilization thing we can stop flossing.

    Actually, flossing doesn't actually help with tooth care.

    My mind has been shattered. Nothing is true. Up is down. Maybe they did fake those moon landings...

    To be fair the issue isn't that we know it doesn't help, it's that we basically can't study it in a controlled way, so there is no positive proof either. You can't placebo floss, nobody's ever forced test subjects to go years without oral hygiene, and you can't trust self reported studies because when you do you learn stuff like a significant percentage of multiple DUI drivers have never tasted alcohol.

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Hi
    Sticks wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    On the other hand, grain farming basically gave us tooth decay, so plants aren't above reproach.

    If we pack in this whole civilization thing we can stop flossing.

    Actually, flossing doesn't actually help with tooth care.

    My mind has been shattered. Nothing is true. Up is down. Maybe they did fake those moon landings...

    To be fair the issue isn't that we know it doesn't help, it's that we basically can't study it in a controlled way, so there is no positive proof either. You can't placebo floss, nobody's ever forced test subjects to go years without oral hygiene, and you can't trust self reported studies because when you do you learn stuff like a significant percentage of multiple DUI drivers have never tasted alcohol.

    Gets crap out your teeth a lot better that a toothpick does that's for sure.

    Citation:my mouth.

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    I mean, as long as you have sources of protein in your diet, you don't need to eat meat. And dairy is not great for a large portion of the population.

    So it's not wrong on the surface.

    well it's kind of one of those sick jokes of nature in how diverse our diet is anymore is why we have things many of the gastrointestinal problems as they lack the enzymes to digest the food correctly
    But then it's also bonkers to know that milk and other dairy products have taken off in many Asian countries as they are starting to get the enzyme

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    United States Special Forces killed a giant in Kandahar in 2002, and the government is trying to cover it up.
    In the summer if 2016, several personalities and web sites dedicated to discussing supernatural myths and conspiracy theories began claiming that an American Special Forces soldier serving in Kandahar, Afghanistan, was killed in 2002 by a 1,100-pound, blade-wielding, 12-foot-tall giant from Old Testament times before the giant himself was taken down by the military.

    A Department of Defense spokesman told us they have no record of such an incident:

    We do not have any record or information about a special forces member killed by a giant in Kandahar.

    Current interest in the story appears to have been generated from a video created by L.A. Marzulli, an author, blogger and filmmaker determined to link modern times with biblical creatures and prophecies. On 13 August 2016, he posted an episode on YouTube of his series, Watchers, in which he claims to interview a military contractor or soldier who witnessed the blade-wielding "Giant of Kandahar" kill another soldier before being downed by troops, whisked away by a transport aircraft and hidden away from public view.

    Marzulli makes the case that the giant was a Nephilim, which were described in the Book of Genesis as offspring of gods and human women who inhabited Canaan at the time of Israelite conquest. But when it comes down to details, he's vague, saying he interviewed the unnamed man at an "undisclosed location" on an unknown date. The interviewee who he claims shot and killed the giant, doesn't give any details on the location of the alleged incident, other than to say it was a "remote" location in Afghanistan in 2002. He claims he and others were sent in to look for a missing patrol when they saw a scarlet-haired giant emerge from a cave and skewer his friend, who he called "Dan," with a large blade.

    If the Army's statement isn't sufficient, the only service member with the first name Dan or Daniel who died in Kandahar in 2002 was killed — along with three others — in an accident involving the clearing and disposal of explosives. There are no incidents on the Department of Defense press release page, in which all military casualties were listed, involving a giant. Likewise, there are no reports of an entire patrol disappearing in Afghanistan.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    United States Special Forces killed a giant in Kandahar in 2002, and the government is trying to cover it up.
    In the summer if 2016, several personalities and web sites dedicated to discussing supernatural myths and conspiracy theories began claiming that an American Special Forces soldier serving in Kandahar, Afghanistan, was killed in 2002 by a 1,100-pound, blade-wielding, 12-foot-tall giant from Old Testament times before the giant himself was taken down by the military.

    A Department of Defense spokesman told us they have no record of such an incident:

    We do not have any record or information about a special forces member killed by a giant in Kandahar.

    Current interest in the story appears to have been generated from a video created by L.A. Marzulli, an author, blogger and filmmaker determined to link modern times with biblical creatures and prophecies. On 13 August 2016, he posted an episode on YouTube of his series, Watchers, in which he claims to interview a military contractor or soldier who witnessed the blade-wielding "Giant of Kandahar" kill another soldier before being downed by troops, whisked away by a transport aircraft and hidden away from public view.

    Marzulli makes the case that the giant was a Nephilim, which were described in the Book of Genesis as offspring of gods and human women who inhabited Canaan at the time of Israelite conquest. But when it comes down to details, he's vague, saying he interviewed the unnamed man at an "undisclosed location" on an unknown date. The interviewee who he claims shot and killed the giant, doesn't give any details on the location of the alleged incident, other than to say it was a "remote" location in Afghanistan in 2002. He claims he and others were sent in to look for a missing patrol when they saw a scarlet-haired giant emerge from a cave and skewer his friend, who he called "Dan," with a large blade.

    If the Army's statement isn't sufficient, the only service member with the first name Dan or Daniel who died in Kandahar in 2002 was killed — along with three others — in an accident involving the clearing and disposal of explosives. There are no incidents on the Department of Defense press release page, in which all military casualties were listed, involving a giant. Likewise, there are no reports of an entire patrol disappearing in Afghanistan.

    Everyone knows who the real heroes are in this story

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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    United States Special Forces killed a giant in Kandahar in 2002, and the government is trying to cover it up.
    In the summer if 2016, several personalities and web sites dedicated to discussing supernatural myths and conspiracy theories began claiming that an American Special Forces soldier serving in Kandahar, Afghanistan, was killed in 2002 by a 1,100-pound, blade-wielding, 12-foot-tall giant from Old Testament times before the giant himself was taken down by the military.

    A Department of Defense spokesman told us they have no record of such an incident:

    We do not have any record or information about a special forces member killed by a giant in Kandahar.

    Current interest in the story appears to have been generated from a video created by L.A. Marzulli, an author, blogger and filmmaker determined to link modern times with biblical creatures and prophecies. On 13 August 2016, he posted an episode on YouTube of his series, Watchers, in which he claims to interview a military contractor or soldier who witnessed the blade-wielding "Giant of Kandahar" kill another soldier before being downed by troops, whisked away by a transport aircraft and hidden away from public view.

    Marzulli makes the case that the giant was a Nephilim, which were described in the Book of Genesis as offspring of gods and human women who inhabited Canaan at the time of Israelite conquest. But when it comes down to details, he's vague, saying he interviewed the unnamed man at an "undisclosed location" on an unknown date. The interviewee who he claims shot and killed the giant, doesn't give any details on the location of the alleged incident, other than to say it was a "remote" location in Afghanistan in 2002. He claims he and others were sent in to look for a missing patrol when they saw a scarlet-haired giant emerge from a cave and skewer his friend, who he called "Dan," with a large blade.

    If the Army's statement isn't sufficient, the only service member with the first name Dan or Daniel who died in Kandahar in 2002 was killed — along with three others — in an accident involving the clearing and disposal of explosives. There are no incidents on the Department of Defense press release page, in which all military casualties were listed, involving a giant. Likewise, there are no reports of an entire patrol disappearing in Afghanistan.

    Everyone knows who the real heroes are in this story

    supernatural1.png

    He must be confusing the victim with the shooter. Captain Dean Hendrix, Army Intelligence.

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    DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    On the other hand, grain farming basically gave us tooth decay, so plants aren't above reproach.

    If we pack in this whole civilization thing we can stop flossing.

    Actually, flossing doesn't actually help with tooth care.

    Actually actually, it does, and the ADA continues to disagree with that article. (but hey you know the AP isn't in the clickbait bullshit business now; also have you heard that the 2016 election is neck-and-neck?)

    Here try this at home: smell your floss after flossing, especially after you haven't flossed for a week or two.

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    DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Daedalus wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    On the other hand, grain farming basically gave us tooth decay, so plants aren't above reproach.

    If we pack in this whole civilization thing we can stop flossing.

    Actually, flossing doesn't actually help with tooth care.

    Actually actually, it does, and the ADA continues to disagree with that article. (but hey you know the AP isn't in the clickbait bullshit business now; also have you heard that the 2016 election is neck-and-neck?)

    Here try this at home: smell your floss after flossing, especially after you haven't flossed for a week or two.

    Well, this isn't really the best example of how to dispute it. "Try smelling your breath."

    That said, the consensus of pretty much all dental hygienists is that there's noticeable benefits to flossing. There's only short term studies, which DO show improvement, but because they're very limited in scope they're not broad enough for the governmental requirements on whether flossing makes it into the nutrition guidelines.

    So, yes, flossing absolutely is beneficial. Pretty much no one paying disagrees. But it's very difficult to run a long study on it. Just like it'd be tough to run a study on whether, like, wiping your ass is beneficial. You need a control group to agree not to do it but to follow all other care guidelines so it would be really conclusive.

    What is this I don't even.
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    DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    It's definitely true that in the past, and in a lot of places in the present, only rich people could eat meat (and, to a lesser extent, animal products in general). It's also true that in a lot of places like that poor people got diseases like rickets.

    Conspiracy theories take themselves too seriously these days. I miss when they were reverse-engineering crashed UFOs. That was fun.

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    MuzzmuzzMuzzmuzz Registered User regular
    I've noticed lately that crop circles have disappeared from the media almost totally. Has everyone been convinced they were all fake? Or does the conspiracy still exist?

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    I've noticed lately that crop circles have disappeared from the media almost totally. Has everyone been convinced they were all fake? Or does the conspiracy still exist?

    They just don't want you to talk about them anymore.

    Expect the black helicopters any minute.

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    Most know they are fake now. There's still some die hard believers though.

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    Ya the crop circle thing died down a lot after that one group came forward and admitting making most of them, and then showed how and stuff.

    Steam! Battlenet:Wisemantobes#1508
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    Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt (effective against Russian warships) Registered User regular
    A meal isn't a meal unless an animal died in order to make it.

    Also, meat tastes better if the animal had a name when it died.

    *reads tag*
    Why is this thing named 'look behind yo-.'

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    On the other hand, grain farming basically gave us tooth decay, so plants aren't above reproach.

    If we pack in this whole civilization thing we can stop flossing.

    Actually, flossing doesn't actually help with tooth care.

    Actually actually, it does, and the ADA continues to disagree with that article. (but hey you know the AP isn't in the clickbait bullshit business now; also have you heard that the 2016 election is neck-and-neck?)

    Here try this at home: smell your floss after flossing, especially after you haven't flossed for a week or two.

    Well, this isn't really the best example of how to dispute it. "Try smelling your breath."

    That said, the consensus of pretty much all dental hygienists is that there's noticeable benefits to flossing. There's only short term studies, which DO show improvement, but because they're very limited in scope they're not broad enough for the governmental requirements on whether flossing makes it into the nutrition guidelines.

    So, yes, flossing absolutely is beneficial. Pretty much no one paying disagrees. But it's very difficult to run a long study on it. Just like it'd be tough to run a study on whether, like, wiping your ass is beneficial. You need a control group to agree not to do it but to follow all other care guidelines so it would be really conclusive.

    Yeah - it's basically a scientific anomaly in that it became widely accepted without any rigorous long-term study (and really - the mechanism is functionally the same as brushing your teeth - getting crap off them), and now there's no way to actually do that study ethically. So you end up with a theoretically beneficial treatment that we can't actually prove is beneficial because it's too widely used (and people who slack at THAT slack at too many other things that would confound it too).

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    Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister It Gets Worse before it gets any better.Registered User regular
    Regardless of crop circles being some guys with 2x4s or whatever, they sure are neat.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    I've noticed lately that crop circles have disappeared from the media almost totally. Has everyone been convinced they were all fake? Or does the conspiracy still exist?

    Even the Daily Fail will only cover crop circles if people start putting giant swastikas in them:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3765066/Are-aliens-NAZIS-Huge-crop-circle-swastika-appears-field-Wiltshire-Indian-symbol-positivity.html

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    VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    And now the Aliens are keeping SpaceX down

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arIc1NlHvV0

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    davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    And now the Aliens are keeping SpaceX down

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arIc1NlHvV0

    I believe! The truth is out there! etc etc

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    Jam WarriorJam Warrior Registered User regular
    Sigh.

    I've just found out a gaming buddy who I already knew had some relatively harmless alternative beliefs in crystal healing and past lives etc, is a pretty hardcore 'wi-fi is killing us and the research showing this is the biggest industry and government cover up of our time' nut. Even refers to them 'weaponising' it somehow?

    Sad to see, I just optimistically hope it stops here and doesn't progress on to chem-trials and other such nonsense.

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    Jam WarriorJam Warrior Registered User regular
    I almost fell into the trap of trying to repudiate the nonsense with some facts. The I saw this gem of a comment from them to somebody else:
    I don't trust CRUK [Cancer Research UK]. There are more reliable figures. I'll see if I can dig them out.

    Do not engage. Just smile and walk away...

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    GatorGator An alligator in Scotland Registered User regular
    New York Magazine had a very interesting piece on the Sandy Hook conspiracy hoax:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/09/the-sandy-hook-hoax.html

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    SticksSticks I'd rather be in bed.Registered User regular
    Gator wrote: »
    New York Magazine had a very interesting piece on the Sandy Hook conspiracy hoax:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/09/the-sandy-hook-hoax.html

    If I were one of those parents, I fear I'd be in jail for assault or worse.

    I think contacting the family of the hoaxers makes a lot of sense. They probably aren't fully aware of the borderline stalking that their family members are getting up to, and are probably the best positioned to intervene.

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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    Sticks wrote: »
    Gator wrote: »
    New York Magazine had a very interesting piece on the Sandy Hook conspiracy hoax:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/09/the-sandy-hook-hoax.html

    If I were one of those parents, I fear I'd be in jail for assault or worse.

    I think contacting the family of the hoaxers makes a lot of sense. They probably aren't fully aware of the borderline stalking that their family members are getting up to, and are probably the best positioned to intervene.

    I'm a little leary of the potential for counter harrassment re: Hoaxer family members, but it's a sound strategy in theory.

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    NinjeffNinjeff Registered User regular
    Gator wrote: »
    New York Magazine had a very interesting piece on the Sandy Hook conspiracy hoax:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/09/the-sandy-hook-hoax.html

    That article was amazing. Thank you.

    I especially love flipping the conspiracy around on him.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    Sticks wrote: »
    Gator wrote: »
    New York Magazine had a very interesting piece on the Sandy Hook conspiracy hoax:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/09/the-sandy-hook-hoax.html

    If I were one of those parents, I fear I'd be in jail for assault or worse.

    I think contacting the family of the hoaxers makes a lot of sense. They probably aren't fully aware of the borderline stalking that their family members are getting up to, and are probably the best positioned to intervene.

    I'm a little leary of the potential for counter harrassment re: Hoaxer family members, but it's a sound strategy in theory.

    If you look at the more personal posts conspiracy theorists make (at least the ones who talk about that stuff), you'll notice that most of the time, either their families are right in it with them, or they've alienated their families quite thoroughly.


    Now, harassing the hoaxers themselves? There was a case a while back of a 9/11 survivor assaulting a truther. The police were reluctant to make an arrest, the prosecutor wouldn't take the case, and eventually a civil jury just laughed the truther out of the courtroom. Badgering the victim of a national tragedy is a great way to invite jury nullification. If the parent of a Sandy Hook victim took out somebody like that professor from Florida and got a jury from Massachusetts, I almost guarantee they'd walk.

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    SticksSticks I'd rather be in bed.Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Sticks wrote: »
    Gator wrote: »
    New York Magazine had a very interesting piece on the Sandy Hook conspiracy hoax:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/09/the-sandy-hook-hoax.html

    If I were one of those parents, I fear I'd be in jail for assault or worse.

    I think contacting the family of the hoaxers makes a lot of sense. They probably aren't fully aware of the borderline stalking that their family members are getting up to, and are probably the best positioned to intervene.

    I'm a little leary of the potential for counter harrassment re: Hoaxer family members, but it's a sound strategy in theory.

    If you look at the more personal posts conspiracy theorists make (at least the ones who talk about that stuff), you'll notice that most of the time, either their families are right in it with them, or they've alienated their families quite thoroughly.

    If anyone can exert influence over someone who's spiraling into truly anti-social and destructive behavior it would be someone who knows them personally. I assume that people don't jump straight into the deep end of the conspiracy pool where confronting victims suddenly makes sense, but instead approach it by slow degrees. So in theory there would be a tipping point prior to which an intervention might be successful.... provided those close to the hoaxer are made aware of the situation.

    It certainly seems more productive than trying to disprove their "theories" at any rate, as that's been demonstrated to be mostly futile since any contrary evidence is written off as disinformation.

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    PriestPriest Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    Today, when one of my middle school students, a moon-landing-denier, interrupted me in class (again) about the moon landing, I asked him to please bring his autographed edition of scientific proof, as signed by the lizard people dwelling underneath Denver International Airport. I told him I'd accept an email from the Illuminati in the interim.

    I'm now sitting on a gem of an email from upset parents about rustling the delicate conspiratorial jimmies of their 13 year old boy.

    It's taking every ounce of my self-restraint to keep from asking them to send tree-fiddy care of the Loch Ness Monster.

    Priest on
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    ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    You're doing the Lord's work, @Priest.

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    GatorGator An alligator in Scotland Registered User regular
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    You're doing the Lord's work, @Priest.

    Priest?

    ARE YOU A JESUIT????????????????

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    JacobyJacoby OHHHHH IT’S A SNAKE Creature - SnakeRegistered User regular
    edited September 2016
    I had a student put a "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" into a science project once. I just put down "Really? :? " as a comment.

    I'm pretty sure it was just a meme going around... Pretty sure... :(

    Jacoby on
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    VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    Jacoby wrote: »
    I had a student put a "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" into a project once. I just put down "Really?

    Write FzF1KySHmUA next to it.

    As in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Sticks wrote: »
    Gator wrote: »
    New York Magazine had a very interesting piece on the Sandy Hook conspiracy hoax:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/09/the-sandy-hook-hoax.html

    If I were one of those parents, I fear I'd be in jail for assault or worse.

    I think contacting the family of the hoaxers makes a lot of sense. They probably aren't fully aware of the borderline stalking that their family members are getting up to, and are probably the best positioned to intervene.

    I'm a little leary of the potential for counter harrassment re: Hoaxer family members, but it's a sound strategy in theory.

    If you look at the more personal posts conspiracy theorists make (at least the ones who talk about that stuff), you'll notice that most of the time, either their families are right in it with them, or they've alienated their families quite thoroughly.


    Now, harassing the hoaxers themselves? There was a case a while back of a 9/11 survivor assaulting a truther. The police were reluctant to make an arrest, the prosecutor wouldn't take the case, and eventually a civil jury just laughed the truther out of the courtroom. Badgering the victim of a national tragedy is a great way to invite jury nullification. If the parent of a Sandy Hook victim took out somebody like that professor from Florida and got a jury from Massachusetts, I almost guarantee they'd walk.

    Just like Buzz Aldrin's second best landing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wptn5RE2I-k

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    PriestPriest Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    Veevee wrote: »
    Jacoby wrote: »
    I had a student put a "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" into a project once. I just put down "Really?
    (YouTube Snipped, see VeeVee's post)

    God those last two three sentences were satisfying: "Your argument is invalid. Get over it. Find a job."

    Priest on
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