- The logistics of disentangling a union that is 300 years old will be arduous, with all sorts of complex questions about membership and the economy and stuff, and while Alex Salmond has acknowledged independence is not a magic bullet, I am not sold on his plans for dealing with these issues.
- The loss of 40 Scottish MPs makes it harder for the Conservative Party to lose power, although they'd have a bloody rough time of it next year, given that this was literally their idea. At present England outnumbers the other nations 5 to 1, and I think that imbalance of power is part of the desire to break away. I'd be more in favour of federalism where England is subdivided accordingly.
- Most importantly:
South Sudan shook oil and the world in a minimal fashion.
There isn't enough in South Sudan to really shake anything.
Scotland leaving will throw fire on a few already existing independence movements such as Catalonia and I guess there is on in Belgium between the French speakers and the Dutch speakers.
But it would also put some of the older ones into a new context. In Asia that would be Tibet and the Uyghur movements.
And also lets not forget the Kurds and Czeczenia.
The bigger shock would be around Scotland's econ and oil reserves and how likely they are too fall into the oil curse.
but like seriously the UK are my closest neighbours and I still don't see why it matters to us whether or not scotland goes independent
The negotiation on North Sea infrastructure between iScotland and rUK will have an impact on Norwegian industry due to the shared pipelines and operations in some fields.
The biggest impact of Scotland internationally will be 2 years of uncertainty whilst the UK negotiates with itself about an important part leaving and how that effects everything. Then its diminished power to do stuff after that.
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It would perhaps be the biggest wake up call to the world in a long time.
to the world? but we don't care
South Sudan was created in 2011, and I don't think the world was drastically shaken up.
In what way would an independent Scotland wake the world up?
South Sudan is where exactly?
Scotland is a western European country that just decided to peacefully cede from GB after 300 years of marriage.
I'm pretty sure there are a few other places in Europe that'd like their own independence.
in the sudan. Also south sudan shook the world up more than an independent scotland will. There's some major geopolitical interests at odds in the sudan. Not so much in scotland.
Anyway, an inpedendent scotland means bollocks for other separatist movements in europe.
Where as Scotland is currently a member of a nation with a seat on the UN Security Council.
And South Sudan shook the world up because of oil
and? finish your sentences.
Scotland being a part of a UNSC member matters to the world... how?
south sudan shook the world up because of oil is relevant... how?
Because of the fact that there are only five permanent seats on the Security Council, Britain is one of them. The country might possibly be split in half because of this. Do you not think nations like China or Russia won't notice that? Beyond that, do you not think one of the most prominent nations in the world being split in two won't grab -any- attention of other parts of the world that seek independence?
Also oil is probably the biggest geopolitical reason South Sudan exists. The revenue from oil constitutes 98% of South Sudan's budget. China is a major investor in their oil. But it's also drying up and they're in the middle of a civil war.
but like seriously the UK are my closest neighbours and I still don't see why it matters to us whether or not scotland goes independent
The negotiation on North Sea infrastructure between iScotland and rUK will have an impact on Norwegian industry due to the shared pipelines and operations in some fields.
yeah but it would probably change jack all. In terms of having impact on norwegian industry, ukraine and crimea has a far greater impact than scotland.
It would perhaps be the biggest wake up call to the world in a long time.
to the world? but we don't care
South Sudan was created in 2011, and I don't think the world was drastically shaken up.
In what way would an independent Scotland wake the world up?
South Sudan is where exactly?
Scotland is a western European country that just decided to peacefully cede from GB after 300 years of marriage.
I'm pretty sure there are a few other places in Europe that'd like their own independence.
in the sudan. Also south sudan shook the world up more than an independent scotland will. There's some major geopolitical interests at odds in the sudan. Not so much in scotland.
Anyway, an inpedendent scotland means bollocks for other separatist movements in europe.
Where as Scotland is currently a member of a nation with a seat on the UN Security Council.
And South Sudan shook the world up because of oil
and? finish your sentences.
Scotland being a part of a UNSC member matters to the world... how?
south sudan shook the world up because of oil is relevant... how?
Because of the fact that there are only five permanent seats on the Security Council, Britain is one of them. The country might possibly be split in half because of this. Do you not think nations like China or Russia won't notice that? Beyond that, do you not think one of the most prominent nations in the world being split in two won't grab -any- attention of other parts of the world that seek independence?
Also oil is probably the biggest geopolitical reason South Sudan exists. The revenue from oil constitutes 98% of South Sudan's budget. China is a major investor in their oil. But it's also drying up and they're in the middle of a civil war.
Beyond oil I don't think they have much
I know that's the geopolitical interests in sudan I'm talking about.
Anyway, still don't see the big relevance to the security council? Are you saying an independent scotland would mean a big shift in power internationally? Because scotland is a small part of the UK.
And okay, it gets the attention of other parts of the world that seek independence. And then what?
Another big impact would be Scotland would be out of NATO and would have to reapply like a new member country. and their current we don't want any nukes policy would probably get them denied.
Another big impact would be Scotland would be out of NATO and would have to reapply like a new member country. and their current we don't want any nukes policy would probably get them denied.
It would perhaps be the biggest wake up call to the world in a long time.
to the world? but we don't care
South Sudan was created in 2011, and I don't think the world was drastically shaken up.
In what way would an independent Scotland wake the world up?
South Sudan is where exactly?
Scotland is a western European country that just decided to peacefully cede from GB after 300 years of marriage.
I'm pretty sure there are a few other places in Europe that'd like their own independence.
in the sudan. Also south sudan shook the world up more than an independent scotland will. There's some major geopolitical interests at odds in the sudan. Not so much in scotland.
Anyway, an inpedendent scotland means bollocks for other separatist movements in europe.
Where as Scotland is currently a member of a nation with a seat on the UN Security Council.
And South Sudan shook the world up because of oil
and? finish your sentences.
Scotland being a part of a UNSC member matters to the world... how?
south sudan shook the world up because of oil is relevant... how?
Because of the fact that there are only five permanent seats on the Security Council, Britain is one of them. The country might possibly be split in half because of this. Do you not think nations like China or Russia won't notice that? Beyond that, do you not think one of the most prominent nations in the world being split in two won't grab -any- attention of other parts of the world that seek independence?
Also oil is probably the biggest geopolitical reason South Sudan exists. The revenue from oil constitutes 98% of South Sudan's budget. China is a major investor in their oil. But it's also drying up and they're in the middle of a civil war.
Beyond oil I don't think they have much
I know that's the geopolitical interests in sudan I'm talking about.
Anyway, still don't see the big relevance to the security council? Are you saying an independent scotland would mean a big shift in power internationally? Because scotland is a small part of the UK.
And okay, it gets the attention of other parts of the world that seek independence. And then what?
The relevance to the security council is the fact that the UK is on it. Everyone knows where the UK is located, everyone knows their history with the UK. Everyone is watching and waiting to see what happens because there probably isn't a person on this Earth who couldn't point out Britain on a map.
The UK being split is a bigger deal than Sudan being split, but not necessarily for the same reasons. I don't think Sudan has existed as a nation for 300+ years. If a 300 year old union can be broken up via democratic process, what other parts of Western Europe might want their own independence.
What nations might use that sort of shit to their own benefit (Russia)
It would perhaps be the biggest wake up call to the world in a long time.
to the world? but we don't care
South Sudan was created in 2011, and I don't think the world was drastically shaken up.
In what way would an independent Scotland wake the world up?
South Sudan is where exactly?
Scotland is a western European country that just decided to peacefully cede from GB after 300 years of marriage.
I'm pretty sure there are a few other places in Europe that'd like their own independence.
in the sudan. Also south sudan shook the world up more than an independent scotland will. There's some major geopolitical interests at odds in the sudan. Not so much in scotland.
Anyway, an inpedendent scotland means bollocks for other separatist movements in europe.
Where as Scotland is currently a member of a nation with a seat on the UN Security Council.
And South Sudan shook the world up because of oil
and? finish your sentences.
Scotland being a part of a UNSC member matters to the world... how?
south sudan shook the world up because of oil is relevant... how?
Because of the fact that there are only five permanent seats on the Security Council, Britain is one of them. The country might possibly be split in half because of this. Do you not think nations like China or Russia won't notice that? Beyond that, do you not think one of the most prominent nations in the world being split in two won't grab -any- attention of other parts of the world that seek independence?
Also oil is probably the biggest geopolitical reason South Sudan exists. The revenue from oil constitutes 98% of South Sudan's budget. China is a major investor in their oil. But it's also drying up and they're in the middle of a civil war.
Beyond oil I don't think they have much
I know that's the geopolitical interests in sudan I'm talking about.
Anyway, still don't see the big relevance to the security council? Are you saying an independent scotland would mean a big shift in power internationally? Because scotland is a small part of the UK.
And okay, it gets the attention of other parts of the world that seek independence. And then what?
The relevance to the security council is the fact that the UK is on it. Everyone knows where the UK is located, everyone knows their history with the UK. Everyone is watching and waiting to see what happens because there probably isn't a person on this Earth who couldn't point out Britain on a map.
The UK being split is a bigger deal than Sudan being split, but not necessarily for the same reasons. I don't think Sudan has existed as a nation for 300+ years. If a 300 year old union can be broken up via democratic process, what other parts of Western Europe might want their own independence.
What nations might use that sort of shit to their own benefit (Russia)
how is it relevant to UK being on the security council, jesus fuck
yes, everyone knows that UK is in the UNSC
that is not being debated
what would independent scotland change re: the UNSC?
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- The logistics of disentangling a union that is 300 years old will be arduous, with all sorts of complex questions about membership and the economy and stuff, and while Alex Salmond has acknowledged independence is not a magic bullet, I am not sold on his plans for dealing with these issues.
- The loss of 40 Scottish MPs makes it harder for the Conservative Party to lose power, although they'd have a bloody rough time of it next year, given that this was literally their idea. At present England outnumbers the other nations 5 to 1, and I think that imbalance of power is part of the desire to break away. I'd be more in favour of federalism where England is subdivided accordingly.
- Most importantly:
There isn't enough in South Sudan to really shake anything.
Scotland leaving will throw fire on a few already existing independence movements such as Catalonia and I guess there is on in Belgium between the French speakers and the Dutch speakers.
But it would also put some of the older ones into a new context. In Asia that would be Tibet and the Uyghur movements.
And also lets not forget the Kurds and Czeczenia.
The bigger shock would be around Scotland's econ and oil reserves and how likely they are too fall into the oil curse.
The negotiation on North Sea infrastructure between iScotland and rUK will have an impact on Norwegian industry due to the shared pipelines and operations in some fields.
Because of the fact that there are only five permanent seats on the Security Council, Britain is one of them. The country might possibly be split in half because of this. Do you not think nations like China or Russia won't notice that? Beyond that, do you not think one of the most prominent nations in the world being split in two won't grab -any- attention of other parts of the world that seek independence?
Also oil is probably the biggest geopolitical reason South Sudan exists. The revenue from oil constitutes 98% of South Sudan's budget. China is a major investor in their oil. But it's also drying up and they're in the middle of a civil war.
Beyond oil I don't think they have much
yeah but it would probably change jack all. In terms of having impact on norwegian industry, ukraine and crimea has a far greater impact than scotland.
The gypsies would probably prefer to be laughed at rather than what usually ends up happening to them.
And Crackle has lost its !
We're doomed
I know that's the geopolitical interests in sudan I'm talking about.
Anyway, still don't see the big relevance to the security council? Are you saying an independent scotland would mean a big shift in power internationally? Because scotland is a small part of the UK.
And okay, it gets the attention of other parts of the world that seek independence. And then what?
So the vibe I'm getting is that Catalonia does not really deserve to be laughed at?
Well Barcelona is a pretty cool city.
Happy national cheezburg day
may your patties be plump
and ur cheez be gooey
That the entire endeavor is intended to be as useless as possible.
As Germany, I always liberate Vietnam in Kaiserreich because the grief of holding onto it directly is not worth it.
Pop?
What kind of half assed hesitating firework is this?!
i am about to go do so
ugh this whole thing is filling me with stress and anxiety
i want it to be over
It's not a firework. It's a question of parentage.
sploosh
eh?
I shop at this store all the time. They put the best shit on their labels
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
DIRECT CHAT DEMOCRACY
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
and of course the extra battery I had made sure to purchase last time was nowhere to be found
ffuuuuuuuuuuuuu
The relevance to the security council is the fact that the UK is on it. Everyone knows where the UK is located, everyone knows their history with the UK. Everyone is watching and waiting to see what happens because there probably isn't a person on this Earth who couldn't point out Britain on a map.
The UK being split is a bigger deal than Sudan being split, but not necessarily for the same reasons. I don't think Sudan has existed as a nation for 300+ years. If a 300 year old union can be broken up via democratic process, what other parts of Western Europe might want their own independence.
What nations might use that sort of shit to their own benefit (Russia)
Feeling great
Yea or nay?
C'mon, Cas, pick one!
DON'T RUIN YOUR COUNTRY THOUGH
how is it relevant to UK being on the security council, jesus fuck
yes, everyone knows that UK is in the UNSC
that is not being debated
what would independent scotland change re: the UNSC?