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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    definitely at least on of these ideas has roots in my attempts to write a story about monster hunters in sixth grade. they all wore sunglasses because their eyes glowed (they wore sunglasses because I couldn't figure out how to draw eyes)

    Anyways, I'll drop a bunch of one sentence pitches behind spoiler tags and then I'm gonna go to sleep
    1. Superheroes and villains are all part of a WWE style organization that stages super battles. A real threat emerges forcing them to prove if they've got what it takes to really be heroes.
    2. After a popular teen superhero group disappears, their replacements struggle to learn the ropes and solve the mystery of what happened to their old team
    3. As mysterious devices rain from the sky, a college dropout finds an old flame in a small town bracing for armageddon
    4. One woman lives through every tomorrow of one man's Groundhog Day scenario
    5. A marshal in the old west and the daughter of a sheriff race to bring the man who murdered her father to justice
    6. The secret diary of the world's first superhero
    7. A new graduate joins a struggling newspaper, only to draw the attention of the world's premier superhero
    8. An undercover cop, a desperate father and a crafty cat burglar join up with a human only crime organization in a world of supervillains
    9. In spite of an apocalyptic event, an aging rock band decides to play the rest of their farewell tour anyways
    10. A scientist warps an entire town into another dimension to "keep it pure"
    11. The fastest high school freshman alive completes a series of increasingly improbable dares to win the attention of the senior he has a crush on

    that's like, half superhero concepts, I guess

  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    I like 2, 4 is confusing to me thus I want to know more, 9 would probably be a better movie but don't let that stop you, 10 and 11 are both good

    these have been

    YaYa's opinions

  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    definitely at least on of these ideas has roots in my attempts to write a story about monster hunters in sixth grade. they all wore sunglasses because their eyes glowed (they wore sunglasses because I couldn't figure out how to draw eyes)

    Anyways, I'll drop a bunch of one sentence pitches behind spoiler tags and then I'm gonna go to sleep
    9. In spite of an apocalyptic event, an aging rock band decides to play the rest of their farewell tour anyways

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t99KH0TR-J4

  • PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    definitely at least on of these ideas has roots in my attempts to write a story about monster hunters in sixth grade. they all wore sunglasses because their eyes glowed (they wore sunglasses because I couldn't figure out how to draw eyes)

    Anyways, I'll drop a bunch of one sentence pitches behind spoiler tags and then I'm gonna go to sleep
    3. As mysterious devices rain from the sky, a college dropout finds an old flame in a small town bracing for armageddon

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV83U4CDAx4

  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    combine 3 and 9 into one story, two parrallel narratives that occasionally intersect

  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    Decided on my NaNo for this year, a post-apocalyptic modern fantasy. I've been playing around with the concepts for a long time now and I think I'm able to fit them together somewhat adequately now. Short synopsis, no names yet because I'm bad at those and need to think some more about them. Still need to tighten this thing up too.
    A sleeping girl who awoke in an underground bunker in the middle of a ruined city. By the time she woke up, the world had ended a long time ago. When she tries to remember what happened, or why she was sleeping, her only memory is that of two burning wings, one black and one white, surrounded by shadowy forms kneeling before the flames. Suddenly a red sword strikes from the darkness, shattering the wings into burning fragments. The shadows lunge and snatch at the fragments like precious jewels before vanishing into the darkness, leaving behind only smoldering ashes.

    A young elf who journeyed to a forgotten city, following the final vision of a seer. He is the first of his race without the magic innate to their kind, lost in the Cataclysm when the world shattered and died. When he finds the girl, he bestows upon her a gift: a fragment of a burning, white wing. When she takes hold of it, the fragment reacts to her touch, causing all of its kind to cry out in song as a brilliant white wing manifests from the girl and then fades. The Phoenix has been reborn.

    A knight clad in silver-white armor who gazed at the burning sky beyond the wilting land of Faerie, face impassive. He turns from the balcony of the tower and strides through the dimly-lit halls. Faerie guards make way for him, scarcely hiding their contempt as he passes by. He reaches his chambers and locks the doors before opening an ornate chest. He withdraws a sword sheathed within a black scabbard. He takes hold of the golden hilt and draws forth a red iron blade, resolving himself to finish what he started for the sake of the world.

    Madican on
  • smofsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    definitely at least on of these ideas has roots in my attempts to write a story about monster hunters in sixth grade. they all wore sunglasses because their eyes glowed (they wore sunglasses because I couldn't figure out how to draw eyes)

    Anyways, I'll drop a bunch of one sentence pitches behind spoiler tags and then I'm gonna go to sleep
    1. Superheroes and villains are all part of a WWE style organization that stages super battles. A real threat emerges forcing them to prove if they've got what it takes to really be heroes.
    2. After a popular teen superhero group disappears, their replacements struggle to learn the ropes and solve the mystery of what happened to their old team
    3. As mysterious devices rain from the sky, a college dropout finds an old flame in a small town bracing for armageddon
    4. One woman lives through every tomorrow of one man's Groundhog Day scenario
    5. A marshal in the old west and the daughter of a sheriff race to bring the man who murdered her father to justice
    6. The secret diary of the world's first superhero
    7. A new graduate joins a struggling newspaper, only to draw the attention of the world's premier superhero
    8. An undercover cop, a desperate father and a crafty cat burglar join up with a human only crime organization in a world of supervillains
    9. In spite of an apocalyptic event, an aging rock band decides to play the rest of their farewell tour anyways
    10. A scientist warps an entire town into another dimension to "keep it pure"
    11. The fastest high school freshman alive completes a series of increasingly improbable dares to win the attention of the senior he has a crush on

    that's like, half superhero concepts, I guess

    My favourites are 1 and 8. 2 is also cool.

  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    4 sounds like a fantastic idea, geebs
    dunno where you'd go with it but it's a terrific premise

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  • Sir FabulousSir Fabulous Malevolent Squid God Registered User regular
    definitely at least on of these ideas has roots in my attempts to write a story about monster hunters in sixth grade. they all wore sunglasses because their eyes glowed (they wore sunglasses because I couldn't figure out how to draw eyes)

    Anyways, I'll drop a bunch of one sentence pitches behind spoiler tags and then I'm gonna go to sleep
    1. Superheroes and villains are all part of a WWE style organization that stages super battles. A real threat emerges forcing them to prove if they've got what it takes to really be heroes.
    2. After a popular teen superhero group disappears, their replacements struggle to learn the ropes and solve the mystery of what happened to their old team
    3. As mysterious devices rain from the sky, a college dropout finds an old flame in a small town bracing for armageddon
    4. One woman lives through every tomorrow of one man's Groundhog Day scenario
    5. A marshal in the old west and the daughter of a sheriff race to bring the man who murdered her father to justice
    6. The secret diary of the world's first superhero
    7. A new graduate joins a struggling newspaper, only to draw the attention of the world's premier superhero
    8. An undercover cop, a desperate father and a crafty cat burglar join up with a human only crime organization in a world of supervillains
    9. In spite of an apocalyptic event, an aging rock band decides to play the rest of their farewell tour anyways
    10. A scientist warps an entire town into another dimension to "keep it pure"
    11. The fastest high school freshman alive completes a series of increasingly improbable dares to win the attention of the senior he has a crush on

    that's like, half superhero concepts, I guess

    Two sort of reminds me of Scooby Doo! Mystery Incorporated. Sounds like it could be real interesting.

    I also like the sound of 4, 6, and 10.

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  • CreaganCreagan Registered User regular
    Here are my impressions:

    With some tweaking, 1, 2 & 6 combined could be fun.

    3 and 10 sound like the plots to a Steven King novel.

    4 sounds really interesting.

    I think 5's been done in movie format before... It sounds familiar

    7 and 9 are good ideas, but I have trouble seeing you get 50K words out of them.

    11 would work, but it sounds more like a YA or Middle Grade novel. (That's not a bad thing.)

  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2014
    I really should just keep plugging away at my story from last year and just focus it a bit. I had a good thing going there, before I merged the two narratives into one word document and made a huge mess that I just kind of gave up fixing. I had this thing with a drifter android and this other thing with future cops chasing him in two different documents, and tried merging them just to see how much it was, and it didn't work

    i messed with this
    http://wondermark.com/554/

    and eventually ended up with
    In a post-apocalyptic terra-formed Mars, a brooding loner stumbles across a talking fish, which spurs him into conflict with an army led by a sadist and a profit-obsessed corporation with the help of a leather-clad tomboy-ish female mechanic in shades and her wacky pet, culminating in a philosophical argument punctuated by violence. My title is The Aeronaut, or: A reprobate searches for humanity.

    DouglasDanger on
  • ShenShen Registered User regular
    I've never come close to beating Nano, so this year instead I've set myself a target of writing 500 words a day, every day. The idea is that it's habit forming and that after doing it for a month I'll be able to keep doing it afterwards. Also I won't be grappling with low-level self-loathing, which should make me more productive.

    Going back to an old idea from a fresh perspective, pretty excited about it. My only worry is that the fantasy elements seem somewhat juvenile in comparison, but it doesn't really factor in until the story's climax, so I'll see how I get on.

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  • chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Do you think it's trademarked?Registered User regular
    definitely at least on of these ideas has roots in my attempts to write a story about monster hunters in sixth grade. they all wore sunglasses because their eyes glowed (they wore sunglasses because I couldn't figure out how to draw eyes)

    Anyways, I'll drop a bunch of one sentence pitches behind spoiler tags and then I'm gonna go to sleep
    1. Superheroes and villains are all part of a WWE style organization that stages super battles. A real threat emerges forcing them to prove if they've got what it takes to really be heroes.
    2. After a popular teen superhero group disappears, their replacements struggle to learn the ropes and solve the mystery of what happened to their old team
    3. As mysterious devices rain from the sky, a college dropout finds an old flame in a small town bracing for armageddon
    4. One woman lives through every tomorrow of one man's Groundhog Day scenario
    5. A marshal in the old west and the daughter of a sheriff race to bring the man who murdered her father to justice
    6. The secret diary of the world's first superhero
    7. A new graduate joins a struggling newspaper, only to draw the attention of the world's premier superhero
    8. An undercover cop, a desperate father and a crafty cat burglar join up with a human only crime organization in a world of supervillains
    9. In spite of an apocalyptic event, an aging rock band decides to play the rest of their farewell tour anyways
    10. A scientist warps an entire town into another dimension to "keep it pure"
    11. The fastest high school freshman alive completes a series of increasingly improbable dares to win the attention of the senior he has a crush on

    that's like, half superhero concepts, I guess

    I like 3, 4, and 9. 10 feels more like a short story to me.

    Of course, 9 also reminds me of a scrapped Bryan Lee O'Malley story which had one of the best reasons for the apocalypse ever.
    The band the protagonist was in? God hated their stuff. A lot. And since he's omniscient, and they were really popular, it was ALWAYS PLAYING. Thus, apocalypse.

  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    I think I'm mostly leaning towards #11 because it's the simplest story of the bunch which means it's probably easier to plan out in the next...10 days. Like, the groundhog day idea would require a fairly absurd amount of plotting.

    Anyways, a lot of these evolved from older ideas I couldn't work into a decent story without changing...almost everything. I'm still pounding my head on the wall trying to work "war with factions based on colors???" into a coherent story, and I think the main problem is that I don't have a whole lot of interest in writing big epic narratives with like...nations fighting and chosen ones or whatever, so I think I might just have to put that one away. But the "rock band tours during the apocalypse" came out of "someone hijacks every radio station and brainwashes everyone who listens and a bunch of people who were listening to cds instead make their way across the country to figure out what happened." And mostly why I dumped that premise is because I read Stephen King's Cell and also my first like, four or five nanowrimo failures were all from me trying to make that idea work

  • DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    I am working on a novel and a video game. between the two I expect to easily finish this.

  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    this is good, I didn't have enough spotify playlists, so now I'm going to have one for every one of those prompts, probably

  • smofsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    I had four different pages in Scrivener with my four different plot-line outlines, and I just put them all in one together in a rough chronology and colour coordinated them and it's a big colourful mess now.

    Still don't know how to do the last 1/3 of the plot. Working on it. I've got a character I quite like who is important in the first half and then kind of becomes irrelevant to the rest so I have to fix that.

    Also keep having trouble separating my own knowledge from the characters' knowledge. Thinking "That's dumb, they shouldn't do that" because I forget they don't know what I do so wouldn't know not to do that.

    Writing is complicated.

  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    I have been very busy lately (just moved into a new house among other things) and have not gotten any of my prep work done.

    Granted, I managed to just squeak by last year with no prep work, but I wrote a bunch of short stories then and I want to do a novel this year which will require a bit more planning ahead on my part.

    Fortunately, WoW's new expansion doesn't particularly interest me, and any other new games I'll probably hold off on until Christmas time, so I really only have to manage to squeeze writing time into my current level of busy-ness.

    My plan is to start squeezing prep time in now, and then converting that time into writing time on November 1st.

  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    I had four different pages in Scrivener with my four different plot-line outlines, and I just put them all in one together in a rough chronology and colour coordinated them and it's a big colourful mess now.

    Still don't know how to do the last 1/3 of the plot. Working on it. I've got a character I quite like who is important in the first half and then kind of becomes irrelevant to the rest so I have to fix that.

    Also keep having trouble separating my own knowledge from the characters' knowledge. Thinking "That's dumb, they shouldn't do that" because I forget they don't know what I do so wouldn't know not to do that.

    Writing is complicated.

    you could

    murder them

  • smofsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    You monster!

  • QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    Cross-posted from TWB:

    I'm trying to write a picaresque novel, a la Old Man's War, with a framing narrative. I have to decide between two roughly equally valid options in terms of the setup for the frame.

    My character, Eva, is a smuggler with her own ship and crew. Think Firefly, but with aliens. The framing narrative is going to be that her sister is kidnapped by a notorious group called The Fridge, which blackmails people into paying them exorbitant sums of money to get their family and friends back, or compels them to do dirty work to pay off the "debt." Most of the chapters will consist of her doing this dirty work, until the point where things go sour and then explode.

    I need to decide at what point in her life this all goes down. Is she in her early 30s, with a fair amount of experience and notoriety but still looking ahead to years of derring-do, when she gets the call and has to shift gears and take care of this problem? Or is she in her early 40s, too old for this shit, tired of the danger and ready to settle down to a comfy desk job, when she's pulled back in for one final hurrah?

    I like the latter, but it has an air of finality about it that I find sort of limiting. I can always write prequels later, and there's nothing to say that she won't end up eschewing her retirement dreams in favor of more adventures, but even so. I feel like it would be weird to write the end of someone's story before the beginning, and that's what the latter option seems to be.

    What do you guys think?

  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Quoth wrote: »
    Cross-posted from TWB:

    I'm trying to write a picaresque novel, a la Old Man's War, with a framing narrative. I have to decide between two roughly equally valid options in terms of the setup for the frame.

    My character, Eva, is a smuggler with her own ship and crew. Think Firefly, but with aliens. The framing narrative is going to be that her sister is kidnapped by a notorious group called The Fridge, which blackmails people into paying them exorbitant sums of money to get their family and friends back, or compels them to do dirty work to pay off the "debt." Most of the chapters will consist of her doing this dirty work, until the point where things go sour and then explode.

    I need to decide at what point in her life this all goes down. Is she in her early 30s, with a fair amount of experience and notoriety but still looking ahead to years of derring-do, when she gets the call and has to shift gears and take care of this problem? Or is she in her early 40s, too old for this shit, tired of the danger and ready to settle down to a comfy desk job, when she's pulled back in for one final hurrah?

    I like the latter, but it has an air of finality about it that I find sort of limiting. I can always write prequels later, and there's nothing to say that she won't end up eschewing her retirement dreams in favor of more adventures, but even so. I feel like it would be weird to write the end of someone's story before the beginning, and that's what the latter option seems to be.

    What do you guys think?

    the latter. Age aint nothin but a number, there's no reason she couldn't keep having adventures after this. She may be ready to retire at the start of the book, but maybe something about this caper recaptures her interest and passion for adventure?

  • ShenShen Registered User regular
    Haha, 'The Fridge', that's great! I wish I had half that knack for naming things (or indeed, characters).

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  • VicVic Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    Quoth wrote: »
    Cross-posted from TWB:

    I'm trying to write a picaresque novel, a la Old Man's War, with a framing narrative. I have to decide between two roughly equally valid options in terms of the setup for the frame.

    My character, Eva, is a smuggler with her own ship and crew. Think Firefly, but with aliens. The framing narrative is going to be that her sister is kidnapped by a notorious group called The Fridge, which blackmails people into paying them exorbitant sums of money to get their family and friends back, or compels them to do dirty work to pay off the "debt." Most of the chapters will consist of her doing this dirty work, until the point where things go sour and then explode.

    I need to decide at what point in her life this all goes down. Is she in her early 30s, with a fair amount of experience and notoriety but still looking ahead to years of derring-do, when she gets the call and has to shift gears and take care of this problem? Or is she in her early 40s, too old for this shit, tired of the danger and ready to settle down to a comfy desk job, when she's pulled back in for one final hurrah?

    I like the latter, but it has an air of finality about it that I find sort of limiting. I can always write prequels later, and there's nothing to say that she won't end up eschewing her retirement dreams in favor of more adventures, but even so. I feel like it would be weird to write the end of someone's story before the beginning, and that's what the latter option seems to be.

    What do you guys think?

    It sounds like early 40's could work well, air of finality optional. I like the idea of her being experienced, and you might want to consider that in a Scifi setting that might not even be close to middle age. Rejuvenation treatments might be available but expensive, meaning her dreams of a safe, cushy job might just be a step on the way to a new life. Maybe she has already wasted the savings she was hoping would be her ticket to a new life in an effort to save her sister, which means that even if she does manage to save her she might still be forced to stay on the path of dangerous adventure to have any chance of earning enough money for the treatment in time.

    Vic on
  • PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    YaYa wrote: »
    I had four different pages in Scrivener with my four different plot-line outlines, and I just put them all in one together in a rough chronology and colour coordinated them and it's a big colourful mess now.

    Still don't know how to do the last 1/3 of the plot. Working on it. I've got a character I quite like who is important in the first half and then kind of becomes irrelevant to the rest so I have to fix that.

    Also keep having trouble separating my own knowledge from the characters' knowledge. Thinking "That's dumb, they shouldn't do that" because I forget they don't know what I do so wouldn't know not to do that.

    Writing is complicated.

    you could

    murder them
    You monster!

    It's the standard procedure!

  • QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    Yeah, when I give age ranges, assume that I'm talking more in terms of our currently accepted notions of that stuff, to shorthand the conversation instead of getting into lengthy world building.

  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    YaYa wrote: »
    I had four different pages in Scrivener with my four different plot-line outlines, and I just put them all in one together in a rough chronology and colour coordinated them and it's a big colourful mess now.

    Still don't know how to do the last 1/3 of the plot. Working on it. I've got a character I quite like who is important in the first half and then kind of becomes irrelevant to the rest so I have to fix that.

    Also keep having trouble separating my own knowledge from the characters' knowledge. Thinking "That's dumb, they shouldn't do that" because I forget they don't know what I do so wouldn't know not to do that.

    Writing is complicated.

    you could

    murder them

    yes do this

  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    Smof

    smof smof smof

    I guarantee you, you get that character dead somehow, everybody else will have a MUCH clearer reason for going through the rest of the plot

    kill the living shit out of them

  • smofsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    But I don't wanna!

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  • smofsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    I mean, isn't arbitrarily killing someone to provide motivation for other characters the very definition of fridging?

  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    I mean, isn't arbitrarily killing someone to provide motivation for other characters the very definition of fridging?

    only if that character only existed to die as motivation

    agency is key, if they are a real character, taking actions, making decisions, and they happen to die, that's not fridging, it's just tragedy

  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I mean, isn't arbitrarily killing someone to provide motivation for other characters the very definition of fridging?

    You're the author, everybody lives and dies by your hand, there's always an element of calculation there. But in this case I wouldn't say it's arbitrary - sometimes characters have a natural arc. If you can't find anything for him to do in the last half, his arc is over. The only question is, how to elegantly wrap that up. Death is often a more interesting exit, and provides further story hooks for the rest of the plot, or an emotional punch to further anchor the reader in the narrative.

  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    a good example came up in comics last year and led to some discussion about fridging.

    A female character gave her life to not only save the male main character, but also to stop the villain's plan which would have killed thousands more. Yes, she died, and yes, that did serve to motivate the main character as a result, but she was no helpless victim killed because the plot needed a female body as a prop, she went out heroically on her own terms.

  • smofsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    I guess my problem and the reason she becomes irrelevant is she is doing her own thing and only works with the protagonist in order to get somewhere. Once they get there I have no real reason for her to hang around and be part of his story any more. So I need to come up with a way to tie their two goals together. I guess I could kill her but I don't think it would really achieve much at that point.

    I like her though. She has crazy brain magics.

  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    hmm. Well, once she's got what she wants, she could tell him to fuck off.
    It's abrupt, but it's realer than her being all "if you need me, just whistle". It leaves a loose end, but as long as it's consistent with her characterisation then it won't be unsatisfying, and if the reader has built up a connection with the character then they'll feel abandoned and you can explore/exploit that using your protagonist's emotional response.

  • smofsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    I mean it would help if I knew what anyone's goals were past the halfway point. Right now all my characters are just standing around awkwardly and shrugging at each other.

  • smofsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    I don't think up stories, I think up random collections of ideas which I then try to mash together into a story, and it never works.

  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I still think you should kill someone off.

    I always want to use NaNoWriMo to really nail down the outline for a graphic novel, but november is invariably a month with 0 free time for me.

  • smofsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    I have killed off three minor characters so far, but fine, if it'll make you happy I'll try and murder someone more important.

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