I really liked Serial in a lot of ways, but then Koenig decided to show up at Jay's house unannounced to fucking interrogate him. I felt queasy about the show and its intent after that point.
I really liked Serial in a lot of ways, but then Koenig decided to show up at Jay's house unannounced to fucking interrogate him. I felt queasy about the show and its intent after that point.
Yeah. And that after the fact interview did nothing at all to endear me to Koenig or the program.
i like both kilroy and bluedude and if i come across as harsh on some opinions it is because i think they would be happier just saying "man fuck this thing that bothers me, i don't need it and i don't need to think about it" and turning their backs on big bomb
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
I really liked Serial in a lot of ways, but then Koenig decided to show up at Jay's house unannounced to fucking interrogate him. I felt queasy about the show and its intent after that point.
I really liked Serial
But like, because of its flaws
Because it's a really weird, fucked up thing at times
No opinions on other podcasts get the scrutiny and endless circular discussions that Bombcast opinions do.
It seems really silly to me that someone saying "I was annoyed the Bombcast didn't cover this video game thing" is met with multiple posts detailing the intricate reasoning of why these people didn't cover a thing, or intoning things about why the original poster really feels that way.
Maybe I'm imagining it, though!
you are
go back and find some of my posts about not liking comedy bang bang and see the responses
I did a couple searches and all I found were some posts where you talked about how disgusting Cheez Whiz is (you're still right).
*I'm snipping this post because it is very long*
If it was a matter of "I don't like this thing" and other people said "Well, I think it's good, for reasons!", that is fine! That is a discussion about the relative merits of a thing from a perspective we share as people listening to a podcast!
GB discussions tend to generate incredibly detailed refutations of a subjective opinion that really doesn't need a rebuttal. If someone says "I was disappointed that GB didn't cover Evo", that's fine. Disagreeing with that is also fine ("I don't really care about that scene so it doesn't bug me that they skipped it or glossed over it"). When the conversation turns to "well they would get mean comments from fighting game fans" or "maybe Jason was busy" it reads to me like trying to categorically prove it was better that they didn't cover it, or otherwise "justify" the decision, which strikes me as defensive and nonsensical. That's why I used the term "apologism."
I also really don't think I see much of exactly this phenomenon in relation to other podcasts, but again that could be the product of selective reading or memory or whatever.
i like both kilroy and bluedude and if i come across as harsh on some opinions it is because i think they would be happier just saying "man fuck this thing that bothers me, i don't need it and i don't need to think about it" and turning their backs on big bomb
and to be fair I would probably also be happier if I didn't myself get into arguments when my anxiety is peaking
augustwhere you come from is goneRegistered Userregular
I should probably actually listen to serial but my initial reaction and my reaction as it gained traction and became the equivalent of must-see tv for twee hipsters is that everyone involved should have fucking known better.
i like both kilroy and bluedude and if i come across as harsh on some opinions it is because i think they would be happier just saying "man fuck this thing that bothers me, i don't need it and i don't need to think about it" and turning their backs on big bomb
and to be fair I would probably also be happier if I didn't myself get into arguments when my anxiety is peaking
also I like you too
yeah i didn't really communicate it eloquently but when i was saying your word choice was needlessly harsh i was actually real concerned that you were working yourself up in a negative way, possibly because it slightly felt like you were being ganged up on
I think people felt the need to respond to the evo thing because that sort of coverage has never been their wheelhouse, so it feels like an out of place complaint when much of the discussion has been about how the site has changed
No opinions on other podcasts get the scrutiny and endless circular discussions that Bombcast opinions do.
It seems really silly to me that someone saying "I was annoyed the Bombcast didn't cover this video game thing" is met with multiple posts detailing the intricate reasoning of why these people didn't cover a thing, or intoning things about why the original poster really feels that way.
Maybe I'm imagining it, though!
you are
go back and find some of my posts about not liking comedy bang bang and see the responses
I did a couple searches and all I found were some posts where you talked about how disgusting Cheez Whiz is (you're still right).
*I'm snipping this post because it is very long*
If it was a matter of "I don't like this thing" and other people said "Well, I think it's good, for reasons!", that is fine! That is a discussion about the relative merits of a thing from a perspective we share as people listening to a podcast!
GB discussions tend to generate incredibly detailed refutations of a subjective opinion that really doesn't need a rebuttal. If someone says "I was disappointed that GB didn't cover Evo", that's fine. Disagreeing with that is also fine ("I don't really care about that scene so it doesn't bug me that they skipped it or glossed over it"). When the conversation turns to "well they would get mean comments from fighting game fans" or "maybe Jason was busy" it reads to me like trying to categorically prove it was better that they didn't cover it, or otherwise "justify" the decision, which strikes me as defensive and nonsensical. That's why I used the term "apologism."
I also really don't think I see much of exactly this phenomenon in relation to other podcasts, but again that could be the product of selective reading or memory or whatever.
In conclusion: I apologize for all of my posts.
I can't speak for the rest of those
but Jeff has literally said "we don't do much fighting game coverage because we get shitty comments"
I was pointing out something I remember hearing that might shed light on why they don't do that sort of thing more
Doesn't mean I was trying to 'win' the conversation
I also really don't think I see much of exactly this phenomenon in relation to other podcasts, but again that could be the product of selective reading or memory or whatever.
I kinda thought that too. But then I kinda think that has to do more with the volume of GB posts compared to other podcasts.
Basically im at a point in my life were I am avoiding cynical or media I view as overly negative on purpose
So when the bombcast yells about how x videogame is terrible for reason y again it bums me out
Im just noticing the cynicism and negativity more and it sucks because I really like the bombcast and I cant deal
I'm at a point where I'm also pretty tired with cynicism, even if it's exaggerated for laughs. It makes up like 90% of internet culture to the point that legitimately enjoying something without picking it apart is the odd thing to do.
I spent two weeks gushing and waxing nostalgic about Final Fantasy VII, and the people who joined me commented at the end how we almost didn't list any criticisms. I decided, hey, why bother? Everyone else has already made the same old complaints, let's do something wild and crazy and celebrate it!
This is also why I'm enjoying the Best Friends on an almost daily basis. They spend more time getting giddy with over something like Parasite Eve while also being aware that a lot of its mitochondria talk is bullshit. The latter doesn't affect their enjoyment of the former.
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Serial was a really interesting thing that put some focus on some really fucked up ways we treat criminal prosecution in society, and what we consider to be "reasonable doubt" and what we do not
It is however, still a product of that society and has some of the problems i have with all crime reporting, but i appreciate the very obvious good intentions behind it.
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I'm gonna need someone to explain this Serial thing to me.
Basically im at a point in my life were I am avoiding cynical or media I view as overly negative on purpose
So when the bombcast yells about how x videogame is terrible for reason y again it bums me out
Im just noticing the cynicism and negativity more and it sucks because I really like the bombcast and I cant deal
I'm at a point where I'm also pretty tired with cynicism, even if it's exaggerated for laughs. It makes up like 90% of internet culture to the point that legitimately enjoying something without picking it apart is the odd thing to do.
I spent two weeks gushing and waxing nostalgic about Final Fantasy VII, and the people who joined me commented at the end how we almost didn't list any criticisms. I decided, hey, why bother? Everyone else has already made the same old complaints, let's do something wild and crazy and celebrate it!
This is also why I'm enjoying the Best Friends on an almost daily basis. They spend more time getting giddy with over something like Parasite Eve while also being aware that a lot of its mitochondria talk is bullshit. The latter doesn't affect their enjoyment of the former.
Serial was a really interesting thing that put some focus on some really fucked up ways we treat criminal prosecution in society, and what we consider to be "reasonable doubt" and what we do not
It is however, still a product of that society and has some of the problems i have with all crime reporting, but i appreciate the very obvious good intentions behind it.
As I said before, the problems with the crime reporting and the good intentions and all that are a huge part of what appeals to me with it.
I mean, it starts out as a story explaining what happened in this weird cold case with minimal evidence.
But then it becomes the writer of the story becoming overly invested in the case and in the people she's interacting with.
And it's not like they can solve it, they have no way to do that at any point in time, so it's just dealing with the repercussions of our criminal justice system and the basic human natures that we assume of people.
And that is fascinating to me.
It started out as a window into a crime, and then someone turns out the lights and it's suddenly one way glass, and all you can look at, as you're waiting for this crime to end, is your own judgmental, paranoid, suspicious face.
But that's a pretty personal Serial experience I guess, and I don't think that's universal.
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augustwhere you come from is goneRegistered Userregular
Serial was a really interesting thing that put some focus on some really fucked up ways we treat criminal prosecution in society, and what we consider to be "reasonable doubt" and what we do not
It is however, still a product of that society and has some of the problems i have with all crime reporting, but i appreciate the very obvious good intentions behind it.
I'm sure there were good intentions, but there was also the intention to turn the tragedy of these people's lives into an entertainment product by presenting it in a format traditionally reserved for fiction. From wikipedia:
Episode one of the series was released on October 3, 2014. Additional episodes were released weekly online. Glass introduced it as a spinoff of his popular radio program, This American Life, and aired episode one on his show.[19] He explained, "We want to give you the same experience you get from a great HBO or Netflix series, where you get caught up with the characters and the thing unfolds week after week, but with a true story, and no pictures. Like House of Cards, but you can enjoy it while you're driving."[19]
If it brings the imperfections of our justice system to light for more people and perhaps helps free an innocent man from prison perhaps it's a net positive, but imagine being a friend or family member of the victims caught up in this cultural phenomenon.
august on
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MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
That isn't cynicism.
I need someone to quote this every page for me if I'm not around.
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
Oof that Ira Glass quote is not something I'd seen before.
Basically im at a point in my life were I am avoiding cynical or media I view as overly negative on purpose
So when the bombcast yells about how x videogame is terrible for reason y again it bums me out
Im just noticing the cynicism and negativity more and it sucks because I really like the bombcast and I cant deal
I'm at a point where I'm also pretty tired with cynicism, even if it's exaggerated for laughs. It makes up like 90% of internet culture to the point that legitimately enjoying something without picking it apart is the odd thing to do.
I spent two weeks gushing and waxing nostalgic about Final Fantasy VII, and the people who joined me commented at the end how we almost didn't list any criticisms. I decided, hey, why bother? Everyone else has already made the same old complaints, let's do something wild and crazy and celebrate it!
This is also why I'm enjoying the Best Friends on an almost daily basis. They spend more time getting giddy with over something like Parasite Eve while also being aware that a lot of its mitochondria talk is bullshit. The latter doesn't affect their enjoyment of the former.
Criticism and critical thinking about a games flaws are extremely important though
and again, not liking something and stating the reasons for that dislike is not cynicism, its being critical or negative about a thing
That is true, if there's a balance.
I rarely see a balance.
I'm especially tired of seeing people be immediately cynical because a thing is A) old, has one or two apparent flaws that make it absolute shit instead of just flawed, C) from Japan.
Basically im at a point in my life were I am avoiding cynical or media I view as overly negative on purpose
So when the bombcast yells about how x videogame is terrible for reason y again it bums me out
Im just noticing the cynicism and negativity more and it sucks because I really like the bombcast and I cant deal
I'm at a point where I'm also pretty tired with cynicism, even if it's exaggerated for laughs. It makes up like 90% of internet culture to the point that legitimately enjoying something without picking it apart is the odd thing to do.
I spent two weeks gushing and waxing nostalgic about Final Fantasy VII, and the people who joined me commented at the end how we almost didn't list any criticisms. I decided, hey, why bother? Everyone else has already made the same old complaints, let's do something wild and crazy and celebrate it!
This is also why I'm enjoying the Best Friends on an almost daily basis. They spend more time getting giddy with over something like Parasite Eve while also being aware that a lot of its mitochondria talk is bullshit. The latter doesn't affect their enjoyment of the former.
Criticism and critical thinking about a games flaws are extremely important though
and again, not liking something and stating the reasons for that dislike is not cynicism, its being critical or negative about a thing
That is true, if there's a balance.
I rarely see a balance.
I'm especially tired of seeing people be immediately cynical because a thing is A) old, has one or two apparent flaws that make it absolute shit instead of just flawed, C) from Japan.
Okay
I have nothing to add because that doesn't describe anything I've experienced
Serial was a really interesting thing that put some focus on some really fucked up ways we treat criminal prosecution in society, and what we consider to be "reasonable doubt" and what we do not
It is however, still a product of that society and has some of the problems i have with all crime reporting, but i appreciate the very obvious good intentions behind it.
I'm sure there were good intentions, but there was also the intention to turn the tragedy of these people's lives into an entertainment product by presenting it in a format traditionally reserved for fiction. From wikipedia:
Episode one of the series was released on October 3, 2014. Additional episodes were released weekly online. Glass introduced it as a spinoff of his popular radio program, This American Life, and aired episode one on his show.[19] He explained, "We want to give you the same experience you get from a great HBO or Netflix series, where you get caught up with the characters and the thing unfolds week after week, but with a true story, and no pictures. Like House of Cards, but you can enjoy it while you're driving."[19]
If it brings the imperfections of our justice system to light for more people and perhaps helps free an innocent man from prison perhaps it's a net positive, but imagine being a friend or family member of the victims caught up in this cultural phenomenon.
I don't disagree even a little!
But it's not like the case would have gotten the attention it did otherwise, so it's a thing i feel pretty conflicted about. It's better treated than most cases that get media attention, but there is still the lingering question in my head whether criminal cases should get media attention at all.
But then a pretty flimsy conviction goes through the system, and am i really going to pretend that news isn't treated as entertainment in this society anyway, and yeah it's all pretty fucked up.
Yeahs think serial is absolutely something you should listen to
But I feel like you could start up an entire new podcast dedicated to investigating how fucked up it was
I really appreciated Serial and would still freely recommend it to others, but I'd also tell them that The Intercept interview with Jay is a required followup read
Basically im at a point in my life were I am avoiding cynical or media I view as overly negative on purpose
So when the bombcast yells about how x videogame is terrible for reason y again it bums me out
Im just noticing the cynicism and negativity more and it sucks because I really like the bombcast and I cant deal
I'm at a point where I'm also pretty tired with cynicism, even if it's exaggerated for laughs. It makes up like 90% of internet culture to the point that legitimately enjoying something without picking it apart is the odd thing to do.
I spent two weeks gushing and waxing nostalgic about Final Fantasy VII, and the people who joined me commented at the end how we almost didn't list any criticisms. I decided, hey, why bother? Everyone else has already made the same old complaints, let's do something wild and crazy and celebrate it!
This is also why I'm enjoying the Best Friends on an almost daily basis. They spend more time getting giddy with over something like Parasite Eve while also being aware that a lot of its mitochondria talk is bullshit. The latter doesn't affect their enjoyment of the former.
Criticism and critical thinking about a games flaws are extremely important though
and again, not liking something and stating the reasons for that dislike is not cynicism, its being critical or negative about a thing
That is true, if there's a balance.
I rarely see a balance.
I'm especially tired of seeing people be immediately cynical because a thing is A) old, has one or two apparent flaws that make it absolute shit instead of just flawed, C) from Japan.
Okay
I have nothing to add because that doesn't describe anything I've experienced
Like I'm not saying these opinions are unwarranted or even incorrect (I haven't played this game), but a huge chunk of material coming from that community and many others boils down to "Hey I'm revisiting this old game a lot of people liked and I'm here to tell you it's a piece of shit and we were all stupid for ever liking it!".
Yeahs think serial is absolutely something you should listen to
But I feel like you could start up an entire new podcast dedicated to investigating how fucked up it was
I really appreciated Serial and would still freely recommend it to others, but I'd also tell them that The Intercept interview with Jay is a required followup read
Could you link that?
My parents are currently going through serial
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Serial was definitely partially a fascinating phenomenon to me because of this thread right here and the regular reactions to it.
We've also discussed how weird the whole thing is, and how weird the reactions to it are, and so on and so forth. I think that kind of makes it better, because I'm realizing all of the other people I talked to about Serial probably didn't run into that interview with Jay after the fact, and didn't use it as a moment for self reflection regarding what a weird vulture-ish activity listening to this podcast was.
But I still really enjoyed the overall experience, so what can I say?
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Yeah. And that after the fact interview did nothing at all to endear me to Koenig or the program.
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Two great tastes that go great together.
Serial would ha e done good to finish before releasing episodes because I feel that they made poor desicions in favor trying to make it dramatic
NO YOU'RE SHIT!
its in the mail
I sent it DHL so it should be fine
Steam
I really liked Serial
But like, because of its flaws
Because it's a really weird, fucked up thing at times
I found that fascinating
Just not there yet
im here for u
If it was a matter of "I don't like this thing" and other people said "Well, I think it's good, for reasons!", that is fine! That is a discussion about the relative merits of a thing from a perspective we share as people listening to a podcast!
GB discussions tend to generate incredibly detailed refutations of a subjective opinion that really doesn't need a rebuttal. If someone says "I was disappointed that GB didn't cover Evo", that's fine. Disagreeing with that is also fine ("I don't really care about that scene so it doesn't bug me that they skipped it or glossed over it"). When the conversation turns to "well they would get mean comments from fighting game fans" or "maybe Jason was busy" it reads to me like trying to categorically prove it was better that they didn't cover it, or otherwise "justify" the decision, which strikes me as defensive and nonsensical. That's why I used the term "apologism."
I also really don't think I see much of exactly this phenomenon in relation to other podcasts, but again that could be the product of selective reading or memory or whatever.
In conclusion: I apologize for all of my posts.
and to be fair I would probably also be happier if I didn't myself get into arguments when my anxiety is peaking
also I like you too
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yeah i didn't really communicate it eloquently but when i was saying your word choice was needlessly harsh i was actually real concerned that you were working yourself up in a negative way, possibly because it slightly felt like you were being ganged up on
PSN: Robo_Wizard1
I can't speak for the rest of those
but Jeff has literally said "we don't do much fighting game coverage because we get shitty comments"
I was pointing out something I remember hearing that might shed light on why they don't do that sort of thing more
Doesn't mean I was trying to 'win' the conversation
I kinda thought that too. But then I kinda think that has to do more with the volume of GB posts compared to other podcasts.
anyone that expected a 'conclusive ending' from serial wasn't really getting what the show was about
PSN: Robo_Wizard1
I'm at a point where I'm also pretty tired with cynicism, even if it's exaggerated for laughs. It makes up like 90% of internet culture to the point that legitimately enjoying something without picking it apart is the odd thing to do.
I spent two weeks gushing and waxing nostalgic about Final Fantasy VII, and the people who joined me commented at the end how we almost didn't list any criticisms. I decided, hey, why bother? Everyone else has already made the same old complaints, let's do something wild and crazy and celebrate it!
This is also why I'm enjoying the Best Friends on an almost daily basis. They spend more time getting giddy with over something like Parasite Eve while also being aware that a lot of its mitochondria talk is bullshit. The latter doesn't affect their enjoyment of the former.
*cough cough*
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It is however, still a product of that society and has some of the problems i have with all crime reporting, but i appreciate the very obvious good intentions behind it.
Criticism and critical thinking about a games flaws are extremely important though
and again, not liking something and stating the reasons for that dislike is not cynicism, its being critical or negative about a thing
As I said before, the problems with the crime reporting and the good intentions and all that are a huge part of what appeals to me with it.
I mean, it starts out as a story explaining what happened in this weird cold case with minimal evidence.
But then it becomes the writer of the story becoming overly invested in the case and in the people she's interacting with.
And it's not like they can solve it, they have no way to do that at any point in time, so it's just dealing with the repercussions of our criminal justice system and the basic human natures that we assume of people.
And that is fascinating to me.
It started out as a window into a crime, and then someone turns out the lights and it's suddenly one way glass, and all you can look at, as you're waiting for this crime to end, is your own judgmental, paranoid, suspicious face.
But that's a pretty personal Serial experience I guess, and I don't think that's universal.
I need someone to quote this every page for me if I'm not around.
That's not great.
That is true, if there's a balance.
I rarely see a balance.
I'm especially tired of seeing people be immediately cynical because a thing is A) old,
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But I feel like you could start up an entire new podcast dedicated to investigating how fucked up it was
Okay
I have nothing to add because that doesn't describe anything I've experienced
I don't disagree even a little!
But it's not like the case would have gotten the attention it did otherwise, so it's a thing i feel pretty conflicted about. It's better treated than most cases that get media attention, but there is still the lingering question in my head whether criminal cases should get media attention at all.
But then a pretty flimsy conviction goes through the system, and am i really going to pretend that news isn't treated as entertainment in this society anyway, and yeah it's all pretty fucked up.
I really appreciated Serial and would still freely recommend it to others, but I'd also tell them that The Intercept interview with Jay is a required followup read
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A recent example posted in another thread: http://lparchive.org/Golden-Sun/
Like I'm not saying these opinions are unwarranted or even incorrect (I haven't played this game), but a huge chunk of material coming from that community and many others boils down to "Hey I'm revisiting this old game a lot of people liked and I'm here to tell you it's a piece of shit and we were all stupid for ever liking it!".
It's just a tired routine. No balance there.
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Could you link that?
My parents are currently going through serial
We've also discussed how weird the whole thing is, and how weird the reactions to it are, and so on and so forth. I think that kind of makes it better, because I'm realizing all of the other people I talked to about Serial probably didn't run into that interview with Jay after the fact, and didn't use it as a moment for self reflection regarding what a weird vulture-ish activity listening to this podcast was.
But I still really enjoyed the overall experience, so what can I say?