I think it's another excuse for nerds to bitch about something because that is literally all that they do.
It more seems like a bunch of consumers yelling about behaviour they don't like (even if that behaviour is only happening in their minds).
And it demonstrates not a bunch of nerds bitching for no reason but instead the apparent limits of what people are willing to put up with in a sales model. Which is interesting stuff.
I think I've bought a few season passes (ME2, ME3, maybe two of the GoW games) and I don't think the cosmetic stuff was ever included. There was a huge pack of GoW3 weapon skins that cost as much as basically all the rest of the playable, meaningful DLC put together, and I never understood why anyone would buy it.
I can't think of a game with a season pass that has ever included all DLC as part of it. It's only the meaningful content that's a part of the season pass. Cosmetic stuff is always a side thing, available to suckers people that want it.
I think the way it actually works out is more important than the perception of people who don't actually understand how it works out. It's an error in PR for that message to have gotten out there, but it's not a problem with the game itself.
No, it's not. Cause people don't react to how it actually works, they react to how they think it works.
This is, after all, why marketing is important.
If their DLC model doesn't work how people seem to think it does for this game, they've both failed at their job of marketing their product and through that shown what people are apparently willing to tolerate. Even if the DLC model does not work how people think it does, if this backfires on Evolve it will serve as a cautionary tale to future developers and publishers.
I think it's another excuse for nerds to bitch about something because that is literally all that they do.
It more seems like a bunch of consumers yelling about behaviour they don't like (even if that behaviour is only happening in their minds).
And it demonstrates not a bunch of nerds bitching for no reason but instead the apparent limits of what people are willing to put up with in a sales model. Which is interesting stuff.
This happens all the time constantly with anything with a dedicated nerd following on the internet. Misunderstandings and perceived slights are instantly blown out of proportion and then subjected to an echo chamber of increasingly angry voices that aren't even totally clear on what they're actually angry about. It is, by far, the most frustrating aspect of human behavior that I am subjected to constantly.
Maybe people on the internet are just always, constantly, incessantly prepared to snap at anything that they can find a way to perceive some sort of fault in whatsoever.
Hence my saying it's an error in PR, not a problem with the game itself. (edit: this was in response to Shryke, not Winky's tri-tri-triple post)
When I said one thing was more important, I meant in the sense of it being important about whether I should be annoyed. I understand how it works, so I think the way the DLC is being parceled out is fine.
Maybe people on the internet are just always, constantly, incessantly prepared to snap at anything that they can find a way to perceive some sort of fault in whatsoever.
You rail against this a lot. I think the belief might colour your perception of the world
Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
Maybe people on the internet are just always, constantly, incessantly prepared to snap at anything that they can find a way to perceive some sort of fault in whatsoever.
You rail against this a lot. I think the belief might colour your perception of the world
Or does your belief color yours?
Try being on the receiving end, sometime. You'll instantly sympathize with my position.
Mojo's post about the divorce guy reminded me of a guy I met a couple of weeks ago. He was in the process of splitting up with his wife (two kids) and seemed to be half-nursing a dream ending that involved her moving out of the house, leaving him and the kids. Since she was a stay at home mum and he was out working, I thought this a trifle optimistic.
I see people in the MH thread talking about how a $30 pack for Spider-man with a pet, 5 skins and a bank tab is a really good deal amd the mind boggles.
Mojo's post about the divorce guy reminded me of a guy I met a couple of weeks ago. He was in the process of splitting up with his wife (two kids) and seemed to be half-nursing a dream ending that involved her moving out of the house, leaving him and the kids. Since she was a stay at home mum and he was out working, I thought this a trifle optimistic.
worked in mediation for a while
a lot of the difficulties were managing people's fantasy outcomes which had zero chance of ever happening
EA is the most stingy with DLC sales for sure, and they don't make GOTY versions like Bethesda or Ubisoft.
I still feel like $25 for 4 more chars like Evolve if a pretty shit deal.
It's a bad deal if they are more powerful, because then the $60 game doesn't feel like the full game.
And it's a bad deal if they are less powerful, because then it feels like a ripoff.
In general I care not about cosmetic DLC, and I'm ok with storyline DLC if it's well done. Or map packs for DLC.
But integrated gameplay features really grind me, and moreso in a multiplayer game. If I can choose 4 weapons and the dude that payed $20 more kills me with the 5th or 6th one I feel like I don't own the game.
also ever since i registered to download test software for the gmat now all these schools send me MBA info and i have to opt out from each individually it seems like and it's fkn annoying
Mojo's post about the divorce guy reminded me of a guy I met a couple of weeks ago. He was in the process of splitting up with his wife (two kids) and seemed to be half-nursing a dream ending that involved her moving out of the house, leaving him and the kids. Since she was a stay at home mum and he was out working, I thought this a trifle optimistic.
worked in mediation for a while
a lot of the difficulties were managing people's fantasy outcomes which had zero chance of ever happening
Conversely my girlfriend's parents know a doctor who has 5 kids, and his wife left him and the 5 children.
It's an outcome which I'm utterly baffled at how it was arrived at. I can only presume that people use pregnancy the same way they use marriage planning to paper over faults in a relationship.
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Maybe people on the internet are just always, constantly, incessantly prepared to snap at anything that they can find a way to perceive some sort of fault in whatsoever.
You rail against this a lot. I think the belief might colour your perception of the world
Or does your belief color yours?
Try being on the receiving end, sometime. You'll instantly sympathize with my position.
Nah, I think you're overly sensitive to this kind of stuff, and let your personal experiences colour a lot of your views.
tn: I used to regularly make lead decisions for projects and changes aimed at tens of thousands of nerds in a leisure capacity.
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Also I kind of wish some of my classmates cared a bit about these classes. It's hard to have a group talk about those disputed Japanese islands when no one says anything but the teacher and I.
My main issue with dlc is that it doesn't really go on sale, so individual items routinely cost substantially more than the base game (like all the me dlc, I think it was eight quid for the three base games and then five to ten for anything that added real content)
DLC goes on sale on PC all the time
Or you can wait for game of the year version to come out and get errthang at once
It doesn't really. Or not a very good sale. Frequently the DLC will end up costing you way more then the game did if the game has been out for awhile.
And if it's Bioware? Just fuck yourself in advance and save them the time. You can grab the Mass Effect trilogy for like $10 and then spend like over $100 on the DLC and it never goes on sale.
Depends on the company. Paradox puts their dlc on sale all the time.
The Guardian (of course) has a new feature for their website. They give two people on a date Google Glass and don't let them turn it off until the date is over.
Mojo's post about the divorce guy reminded me of a guy I met a couple of weeks ago. He was in the process of splitting up with his wife (two kids) and seemed to be half-nursing a dream ending that involved her moving out of the house, leaving him and the kids. Since she was a stay at home mum and he was out working, I thought this a trifle optimistic.
worked in mediation for a while
a lot of the difficulties were managing people's fantasy outcomes which had zero chance of ever happening
Conversely my girlfriend's parents know a doctor who has 5 kids, and his wife left him and the 5 children.
It's an outcome which I'm utterly baffled at how it was arrived at. I can only presume that people use pregnancy the same way they use marriage planning to paper over faults in a relationship.
Mojo's post about the divorce guy reminded me of a guy I met a couple of weeks ago. He was in the process of splitting up with his wife (two kids) and seemed to be half-nursing a dream ending that involved her moving out of the house, leaving him and the kids. Since she was a stay at home mum and he was out working, I thought this a trifle optimistic.
worked in mediation for a while
a lot of the difficulties were managing people's fantasy outcomes which had zero chance of ever happening
Conversely my girlfriend's parents know a doctor who has 5 kids, and his wife left him and the 5 children.
It's an outcome which I'm utterly baffled at how it was arrived at. I can only presume that people use pregnancy the same way they use marriage planning to paper over faults in a relationship.
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I can't hate kanye
Kanye said that the "voices in his head" told him to go on stage at the Grammys, but that he refrained from grabbing the microphone because he didn't want to take away time from Beck's acceptance speech. "Beck is one of the nicest guys and one of the most respected musicians in the game," he said. "There’s nothing that I will want to do as a fellow musician to disrespect him in any way." He said he misworded his comments and added: "Obviously Beck is one of the most respected artists, and respects artistry."
He also said, "But Taylor Swift came up to me right afterwards, literally right afterwards, and tells me that I should have went on stage. This is the irony of my life."
All well and good. But I love this part:
In particular, he said he and Swift are planning to collaborate on music. "She wants to get in the studio and we’re definitely going to go in," he said. "Any artist with an amazing point of view, perspective, fan base, I’m down to get in the studio and work."
You don't know how much I love that he included "fan base"
And then this:
He called himself a "chiropractor," and said he provides jolts of truths in these candid moments. "Everyone feels better after the fact, or everyone is way more famous after the fact, or everyone sells way more albums after the fact, and then Kanye just goes on being an asshole to everyone."
Fuggin yeezy
You rule
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
For breakfast, I'm eating a potato chip and ketchup sandwich with two spicy chicken patties in place of bread, a bowl of kettle corn, and the rest of the bag of chips.
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Kanye said that the "voices in his head" told him to go on stage at the Grammys, but that he refrained from grabbing the microphone because he didn't want to take away time from Beck's acceptance speech. "Beck is one of the nicest guys and one of the most respected musicians in the game," he said. "There’s nothing that I will want to do as a fellow musician to disrespect him in any way." He said he misworded his comments and added: "Obviously Beck is one of the most respected artists, and respects artistry."
He also said, "But Taylor Swift came up to me right afterwards, literally right afterwards, and tells me that I should have went on stage. This is the irony of my life."
All well and good. But I love this part:
In particular, he said he and Swift are planning to collaborate on music. "She wants to get in the studio and we’re definitely going to go in," he said. "Any artist with an amazing point of view, perspective, fan base, I’m down to get in the studio and work."
You don't know how much I love that he included "fan base"
And then this:
He called himself a "chiropractor," and said he provides jolts of truths in these candid moments. "Everyone feels better after the fact, or everyone is way more famous after the fact, or everyone sells way more albums after the fact, and then Kanye just goes on being an asshole to everyone."
Fuggin yeezy
You rule
what a crock of PR bullshit
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sorry to be late, but no there is no amount of content a game can have it that would make people not feel ripped off when they log on and immediately see content they can't have unless they pay if they are inclined to feel that way
I don't, personally, but that doesn't seem particularly hard to grasp to me
ME2 did a bad and somehow put all the DLC out on xbox live for free, right before the game was out
I logged into Xbox live from school and "bought" all of it, because it is rude not to take advantage of their horrible mistake.
I got a lot of mileage out of the full covering face mask. I got tired of the standard helmet and it was the only other thing available that wasn't goofy as all hell.
Also I kind of wish some of my classmates cared a bit about these classes. It's hard to have a group talk about those disputed Japanese islands when no one says anything but the teacher and I.
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It more seems like a bunch of consumers yelling about behaviour they don't like (even if that behaviour is only happening in their minds).
And it demonstrates not a bunch of nerds bitching for no reason but instead the apparent limits of what people are willing to put up with in a sales model. Which is interesting stuff.
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No, it's not. Cause people don't react to how it actually works, they react to how they think it works.
This is, after all, why marketing is important.
If their DLC model doesn't work how people seem to think it does for this game, they've both failed at their job of marketing their product and through that shown what people are apparently willing to tolerate. Even if the DLC model does not work how people think it does, if this backfires on Evolve it will serve as a cautionary tale to future developers and publishers.
This happens all the time constantly with anything with a dedicated nerd following on the internet. Misunderstandings and perceived slights are instantly blown out of proportion and then subjected to an echo chamber of increasingly angry voices that aren't even totally clear on what they're actually angry about. It is, by far, the most frustrating aspect of human behavior that I am subjected to constantly.
When I said one thing was more important, I meant in the sense of it being important about whether I should be annoyed. I understand how it works, so I think the way the DLC is being parceled out is fine.
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You rail against this a lot. I think the belief might colour your perception of the world
Or does your belief color yours?
Try being on the receiving end, sometime. You'll instantly sympathize with my position.
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Spider-man isn't even a good character. ...
I agree with him fully.
Doom, with all sound effects made by the player.
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worked in mediation for a while
a lot of the difficulties were managing people's fantasy outcomes which had zero chance of ever happening
I still feel like $25 for 4 more chars like Evolve if a pretty shit deal.
It's a bad deal if they are more powerful, because then the $60 game doesn't feel like the full game.
And it's a bad deal if they are less powerful, because then it feels like a ripoff.
In general I care not about cosmetic DLC, and I'm ok with storyline DLC if it's well done. Or map packs for DLC.
But integrated gameplay features really grind me, and moreso in a multiplayer game. If I can choose 4 weapons and the dude that payed $20 more kills me with the 5th or 6th one I feel like I don't own the game.
since starting this job the % of my daily calories made up from cookies, crackers, granola bars and jerky has significantly increased
At $70 Monocles.
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i need to accumulate a few paychecks first though
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
QUICK! Get an extension cord!
Conversely my girlfriend's parents know a doctor who has 5 kids, and his wife left him and the 5 children.
It's an outcome which I'm utterly baffled at how it was arrived at. I can only presume that people use pregnancy the same way they use marriage planning to paper over faults in a relationship.
I mean it's not like I need the belt. It just looked nice.
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
Nah, I think you're overly sensitive to this kind of stuff, and let your personal experiences colour a lot of your views.
tn: I used to regularly make lead decisions for projects and changes aimed at tens of thousands of nerds in a leisure capacity.
Depends on the company. Paradox puts their dlc on sale all the time.
Watch Me Date.
It sounds like the excellent First Dates on Channel 4, but the people are more annoying because they're wearing Google Glass.
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Maybe their five kids were really annoying.
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Sounds probable.
I can't hate kanye
All well and good. But I love this part:
You don't know how much I love that he included "fan base"
And then this:
Fuggin yeezy
You rule
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
what a crock of PR bullshit
I don't, personally, but that doesn't seem particularly hard to grasp to me
I logged into Xbox live from school and "bought" all of it, because it is rude not to take advantage of their horrible mistake.
I got a lot of mileage out of the full covering face mask. I got tired of the standard helmet and it was the only other thing available that wasn't goofy as all hell.
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