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Well fuck.
This damn show.
Daisy kissing whatshisdumbface at the end made me groan out load. I wanted so hard to forget that was a thing I actually believed maybe they just weren't doing it any more.
The Simmons beat that she let Andrew/Lash out to save herself and he wound up killing every inhuman in the room? Then escaped. So Simmons is directly responsible for the death of every inhuman the ATCU captured.
The Simmons beat that she let Andrew/Lash out to save herself and he wound up killing every inhuman in the room? Then escaped. So Simmons is directly responsible for the death of every inhuman the ATCU captured.
the hyrda-god-zombie-maker requires the host to be dead before it can inhabit it. This means that Coulson letting things get personal results in it making it to Earth. If he had let Ward to his fate (alive) on the planet, it would not have had a ready host to inhabit in time to make it before the portal closed.
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the hyrda-god-zombie-maker requires the host to be dead before it can inhabit it. This means that Coulson letting things get personal results in it making it to Earth. If he had let Ward to his fate (alive) on the planet, it would not have had a ready host to inhabit in time to make it before the portal closed.
It already had Will, who would have killed Fitz and gone through the portal without Coulson being there.
might just be one of the luckiest actors in a Whedon show. How many others get to play this many different characters?
Has been in every Whedon show except for Firefly. (Guest appearances in Buffy, 2 different main characters on Angel, often referenced but only in 1 episode of SHIELD, major character in Dollhouse)
I don't think it's as much as "She's been in every Whedon show except Firefly" as much as "She's been in every show catering to a Whedon-esque audience except Firefly".
Person of Interest (because Whedon would have totes given that role to Summer Glau), Supernatural, Justice League, Warehouse 13, How I met your mother, Alias and more...
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the hyrda-god-zombie-maker requires the host to be dead before it can inhabit it. This means that Coulson letting things get personal results in it making it to Earth. If he had let Ward to his fate (alive) on the planet, it would not have had a ready host to inhabit in time to make it before the portal closed.
That doesn't even remotely make it his fault.
He didn't know. He was getting rid of a known threat. People have come back from there, Ward would have found a way. An unintended and unknown consequence of doing something to stop evil can't be blamed on him. If he left Ward alive and he found his way out he would have killed more people. That part was a known. That would have been on his head. So that's what he stopped.
The Simmons beat that she let Andrew/Lash out to save herself and he wound up killing every inhuman in the room? Then escaped. So Simmons is directly responsible for the death of every inhuman the ATCU captured.
The Simmons beat that she let Andrew/Lash out to save herself and he wound up killing every inhuman in the room? Then escaped. So Simmons is directly responsible for the death of every inhuman the ATCU captured.
What's to say? That was pretty god damn heavy.
Yea....i guess you're right.
I'm not very good at this conversation generation.
the hyrda-god-zombie-maker requires the host to be dead before it can inhabit it. This means that Coulson letting things get personal results in it making it to Earth. If he had let Ward to his fate (alive) on the planet, it would not have had a ready host to inhabit in time to make it before the portal closed.
That doesn't even remotely make it his fault.
He didn't know. He was getting rid of a known threat. People have come back from there, Ward would have found a way. An unintended and unknown consequence of doing something to stop evil can't be blamed on him. If he left Ward alive and he found his way out he would have killed more people. That part was a known. That would have been on his head. So that's what he stopped.
Right, I totally agree it is not intentionally his fault (in that he had no way of knowing). But assuming need-dead-host is how it works, its likely going to cause Coulson some degree of angst or reflection on whether it is ever ok to let it "get personal," since that seems to be one of the themes running through this season.
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Basically, Coulson had the classic choice: you have the villain disable/captured/etc. Do you act as judge/jury/executioner? In that moment, for personal reasons, Coulson decided that yes, he would. Whether it was completely justifiable or not (I was shouting at the TV for Coulson to shoot Ward and the head when he first encountered him, so I emotionally thought it was), Coulson will still have to deal with the consequences of taking that path.
The Simmons beat that she let Andrew/Lash out to save herself and he wound up killing every inhuman in the room? Then escaped. So Simmons is directly responsible for the death of every inhuman the ATCU captured.
If it was good, it might have gone after Simmons assuming that she was evil, just like other 10,000 years worth of other dudes who got crammed through the wormhole. That would be a pretty cool development.
FurtherProof that Simmons is a genocidal maniac, just like the Synopsis guy has been trying to tell us.
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the hyrda-god-zombie-maker requires the host to be dead before it can inhabit it. This means that Coulson letting things get personal results in it making it to Earth. If he had let Ward to his fate (alive) on the planet, it would not have had a ready host to inhabit in time to make it before the portal closed.
That doesn't even remotely make it his fault.
He didn't know. He was getting rid of a known threat. People have come back from there, Ward would have found a way. An unintended and unknown consequence of doing something to stop evil can't be blamed on him. If he left Ward alive and he found his way out he would have killed more people. That part was a known. That would have been on his head. So that's what he stopped.
Right, I totally agree it is not intentionally his fault (in that he had no way of knowing). But assuming need-dead-host is how it works, its likely going to cause Coulson some degree of angst or reflection on whether it is ever ok to let it "get personal," since that seems to be one of the themes running through this season.
But his decision was still the right one. I'm not saying they would never do that but it wouldn't really work if they did. Because it got personal and then he made the correct choice. That could work if it getting personal caused him to make a bad choice but it didn't. Also Coulson has always been the guy who will just get shit done when it's needed of him. This doesn't seem any different.
The Simmons beat that she let Andrew/Lash out to save herself and he wound up killing every inhuman in the room? Then escaped. So Simmons is directly responsible for the death of every inhuman the ATCU captured.
If it was good, it might have gone after Simmons assuming that she was evil, just like other 10,000 years worth of other dudes who got crammed through the wormhole. That would be a pretty cool development.
FurtherProof that Simmons is a genocidal maniac, just like the Synopsis guy has been trying to tell us.
I've gotta be honest,
the moment she was free I thought she was going to start shiv'ing dudes.
"Hrm, maybe there's something to this 'field agent' thing after all..."
I... may be adopting that version of Simmons in my headcanon.
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First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
This Lincoln/Daisy chemistry feels forced and not organic. While I was never too jazzed about the Fitz/Simmons romance, at least the compassion for each other is well done.
That's because Lincoln is the absolute worst. Maybe if they picked an actor who didn't have a smug smirk on his face 90% of the time things would be better. He's the Hayden Christensen of AoS.
RE: Ward -
I'm pretty sure Grant Ward is dead. While notWill's wound was bleeding, it also wasn't healing. There was a huge zombie chunk in his leg. My feeling is that DeathWorm keeps the organs/blood working/flowing, but not much else. At least, not on a planet all but bereft of resources. Seems like it may be easier for it to get a new host than repair its current one, based on what little we've seen.
Why do I get the feeling that things are moving towards Coulson leaving the show one way or another? He essentially selected his successor, he crossed the "don't let it get personal" line, and in a way, he's more broken now than he was post-TAHITI. At least there he still had the SHIELD ideal in his head and the reassurance of Fury after the first season was finished. Now, he's just... hurt. Emotionally and physically. I can see a blaze of glory ending for him.
It's not that hes the worst, hes just...like really shoehorned in. Lets give daisey a love interest whos an inhuman too. Thats the only reason thats been given for him and her to care about each other. He barely trusts her the entire season, shes trying to help him because hes getting a raw deal, I get that, but the love interest is way too forced.
This Lincoln/Daisy chemistry feels forced and not organic. While I was never too jazzed about the Fitz/Simmons romance, at least the compassion for each other is well done.
That's because Lincoln is the absolute worst. Maybe if they picked an actor who didn't have a smug smirk on his face 90% of the time things would be better. He's the Hayden Christensen of AoS.
RE: Ward -
I'm pretty sure Grant Ward is dead. While notWill's wound was bleeding, it also wasn't healing. There was a huge zombie chunk in his leg. My feeling is that DeathWorm keeps the organs/blood working/flowing, but not much else. At least, not on a planet all but bereft of resources. Seems like it may be easier for it to get a new host than repair its current one, based on what little we've seen.
Why do I get the feeling that things are moving towards Coulson leaving the show one way or another? He essentially selected his successor, he crossed the "don't let it get personal" line, and in a way, he's more broken now than he was post-TAHITI. At least there he still had the SHIELD ideal in his head and the reassurance of Fury after the first season was finished. Now, he's just... hurt. Emotionally and physically. I can see a blaze of glory ending for him.
It's not that hes the worst, hes just...like really shoehorned in. Lets give daisey a love interest whos an inhuman too. Thats the only reason thats been given for him and her to care about each other. He barely trusts her the entire season, shes trying to help him because hes getting a raw deal, I get that, but the love interest is way too forced.
Actually apparently she was the only one he talked to, and they showed that she was in contact with him behind Coulson's back.
Daisy kissing whatshisdumbface at the end made me groan out load. I wanted so hard to forget that was a thing I actually believed maybe they just weren't doing it any more.
I seriously can never remember his name either.
JUST GO AWAY DUDE.
this would be bad enough on its own, but its so much worse after seeing the chemistry that Coulson and Roz had. right from the very beginning of the season every scene they've had together has been create and the actors did a great job of playing off each other. it helped that the actress really seemed to be loving the role too.
might just be one of the luckiest actors in a Whedon show. How many others get to play this many different characters?
Has been in every Whedon show except for Firefly. (Guest appearances in Buffy, 2 different main characters on Angel, often referenced but only in 1 episode of SHIELD, major character in Dollhouse)
Minor correction, Amy Acker was never on Buffy.
Also, re: Lincoln this episode. I think it's logical that someone expressed the opinion that
"Hey this ancient evil thing sounds like bad news, we can't take any chances on it getting through even if we have to leave our guys behind."
It's a thankless opinion to voice because of how the audience generally feels about the characters, but it makes sense that someone would, and people like May and Mac were ultimately willing to do the same.
Oh, I do think he's forced as a love interest, though.
Upon further reflection regarding the last episode;
They made a point of tying up a lot of those dudes, I believe Bobbi is specifically shown zip-tying some of the guys they fought and knocked out. At the time I had a very Archer sense of "oh man, how long are you guys out, that's really bad for you".
Just now, thinking over them leveling the castle, it occurred to me that most of those guys probably didn't make it. Like, Lash obviously killed a bunch of dudes (and Inhumans), but May firing probably took out a couple dozen guys as well. They didn't show it (and to be clear I'm glad they didn't), but if you think it over, this episode had a considerable body count. Dozens of Hydra guys in the castle, 8 Inhumans (I'm assuming we'll see TK guy again), most of the people who went to the planet (Well, Ward got better pretty quickly), etc.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
might just be one of the luckiest actors in a Whedon show. How many others get to play this many different characters?
Has been in every Whedon show except for Firefly. (Guest appearances in Buffy, 2 different main characters on Angel, often referenced but only in 1 episode of SHIELD, major character in Dollhouse)
Minor correction, Amy Acker was never on Buffy.
Also, re: Lincoln this episode. I think it's logical that someone expressed the opinion that
"Hey this ancient evil thing sounds like bad news, we can't take any chances on it getting through even if we have to leave our guys behind."
It's a thankless opinion to voice because of how the audience generally feels about the characters, but it makes sense that someone would, and people like May and Mac were ultimately willing to do the same.
Oh, I do think he's forced as a love interest, though.
Yeah as much as I disagree with his views he's pretty consistent with them and also with his personality.
The problem is that he's always "we can't waste time we have to abandon them" or "stopping this thing means we have to let these people over here die", which is diametrically opposite to everything that Daisy has stood for over the entire series. They should be getting into constant shouting matches, not making out after a mission. It doesn't make any sense, they have nothing in common other than both having super powers and also he was kind of nice to her once before it turned out he was working for crazy people.
Also he never stops smirking my god that awful smirk, but who knows maybe she's into that, that could just be a preference thing.
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That last point is debatable.
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chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
might just be one of the luckiest actors in a Whedon show. How many others get to play this many different characters?
Has been in every Whedon show except for Firefly. (Guest appearances in Buffy, 2 different main characters on Angel, often referenced but only in 1 episode of SHIELD, major character in Dollhouse)
If you're friends with Amy Acker and she's willing to act in your stuff, you let her act in your stuff.
Fitz told him to leave Ward and get to the portal. Coulson didn't listen. Since Fitz is always right, Coulson made the wrong choice.
Crazy talk:
Was WILL dead before he got taken over? No (at least it didn't require an outside force). Does Coulson have any reason to think killing Ward would be bad? No. Does he have reason to think it would be good? Hell yes.
Fitz was telling him to hurry so they could escape, not to not kill Ward.
Fitz told him to leave Ward and get to the portal. Coulson didn't listen. Since Fitz is always right, Coulson made the wrong choice.
Crazy talk:
Was WILL dead before he got taken over? No (at least it didn't require an outside force). Does Coulson have any reason to think killing Ward would be bad? No. Does he have reason to think it would be good? Hell yes.
Fitz was telling him to hurry so they could escape, not to not kill Ward.
I don't think we have enough information to know if Will was dead before being possessed. Given the large chunk missing from his leg, I'd say it is likely.
I'm also not sure Fitz is ok with how things went down (int terms of Coulson taking time to kill a subdued Ward instead of just leaving him, and I suspect that is going to cause some friction between the two going forward.
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Fitz told him to leave Ward and get to the portal. Coulson didn't listen. Since Fitz is always right, Coulson made the wrong choice.
Crazy talk:
Was WILL dead before he got taken over? No (at least it didn't require an outside force). Does Coulson have any reason to think killing Ward would be bad? No. Does he have reason to think it would be good? Hell yes.
Fitz was telling him to hurry so they could escape, not to not kill Ward.
I don't think we have enough information to know if Will was dead before being possessed. Given the large chunk missing from his leg, I'd say it is likely.
I'm also not sure Fitz is ok with how things went down (int terms of Coulson taking time to kill a subdued Ward instead of just leaving him, and I suspect that is going to cause some friction between the two going forward.
NotWill said that Will died saving Simmons. There's room for debate, of course, but I take that to mean that the body was dead when the parasite inhabited it.
crossing the line was that everything pretty much turned out fine.
If you look at his actions, he was taking a lot of unnecessary risks and putting other people's lives in danger in order to go after Ward.
He temporarily gave up being director of SHIELD when they needed his leadership the most. He let himself be manipulated by Ward into getting Fitz and Simmons captured by Hydra. He skydived into the portal, which was a really stupid thing to do and could have easily gotten him killed. He had zero plan for what he would do after he got through the portal. He took his time crushing Ward's chest instead of just shooting him and risked getting stranded on the planet.
Things could have turned out terribly at any of those points and they would have been avoidable. However, since everything still turned out fine, there wasn't much consequence to Coulson crossing the line and allowing his judgment to be compromised by his desire for revenge.
Well thats why he gave up the directorship for a time. Coulson is the ultimate straight man. He never lets his anger out. But what happened to ross was making it impossible for him to do his job and he knew it. He had to get the anger out. He had to have his revenge so he can go back to what he was.
"How many people have you killed?" he asked, while killing him. Like I get Ward is a bad guy and probably deserved to die, but every field agent on the team has killed people. Including Coulson while asking the question. SHIELD had an assassination division that Coulson knew about before Winter Soldier and still associated with SHIELD. Obviously killing people isn't the hot button, killing people Coulson cares about is.
Will died? Did Coulson kill him too? Killing Ward had nothing to do with him becoming a host one would assume. If anything you'd assume the opposite. It's just comic book bad luck it turns out how it did.
Will died? Did Coulson kill him too? Killing Ward had nothing to do with him becoming a host one would assume. If anything you'd assume the opposite. It's just comic book bad luck it turns out how it did.
"Death" told Fitz that Will died helping Jemma get through the portal. Could be that he bled to death.
I think that "Death" has to possesses dead creatures (humans?).
"How many people have you killed?" he asked, while killing him. Like I get Ward is a bad guy and probably deserved to die, but every field agent on the team has killed people. Including Coulson while asking the question. SHIELD had an assassination division that Coulson knew about before Winter Soldier and still associated with SHIELD. Obviously killing people isn't the hot button, killing people Coulson cares about is.
sure?
but that's like comparing a soldier's body count to that of a serial killer
"How many people have you killed?" he asked, while killing him. Like I get Ward is a bad guy and probably deserved to die, but every field agent on the team has killed people. Including Coulson while asking the question. SHIELD had an assassination division that Coulson knew about before Winter Soldier and still associated with SHIELD. Obviously killing people isn't the hot button, killing people Coulson cares about is.
sure?
but that's like comparing a soldier's body count to that of a serial killer
Okay. But aside from his family, everybody Ward killed could be directly linked to his work as a soldier of SHIELD/Hydra or self-defense.
"How many people have you killed?" he asked, while killing him. Like I get Ward is a bad guy and probably deserved to die, but every field agent on the team has killed people. Including Coulson while asking the question. SHIELD had an assassination division that Coulson knew about before Winter Soldier and still associated with SHIELD. Obviously killing people isn't the hot button, killing people Coulson cares about is.
sure?
but that's like comparing a soldier's body count to that of a serial killer
Okay. But aside from his family, everybody Ward killed could be directly linked to his work as a soldier of SHIELD/Hydra or self-defense.
Do you really "work" as a member of a terrorist organization devoted to the overthrow of governments and enslavement of the world?
It's not like "soldier of SHIELD" and "soldier of Hydra" are remotely equivalent.
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Daisy kissing whatshisdumbface at the end made me groan out load. I wanted so hard to forget that was a thing I actually believed maybe they just weren't doing it any more.
I seriously can never remember his name either.
JUST GO AWAY DUDE.
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Hey I didn't say I wanted to remember.
*cough* Amy Acker *cough*
edit: oh shoot, already been mentioned.
I'll be over here beating up Spike.
-Ward is dead
-the creature has his memories but is not Ward
I don't think it's as much as "She's been in every Whedon show except Firefly" as much as "She's been in every show catering to a Whedon-esque audience except Firefly".
Person of Interest (because Whedon would have totes given that role to Summer Glau), Supernatural, Justice League, Warehouse 13, How I met your mother, Alias and more...
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That doesn't even remotely make it his fault.
Yea....i guess you're right.
I'm not very good at this conversation generation.
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I've gotta be honest,
"Hrm, maybe there's something to this 'field agent' thing after all..."
I... may be adopting that version of Simmons in my headcanon.
It's not that hes the worst, hes just...like really shoehorned in. Lets give daisey a love interest whos an inhuman too. Thats the only reason thats been given for him and her to care about each other. He barely trusts her the entire season, shes trying to help him because hes getting a raw deal, I get that, but the love interest is way too forced.
Whereas I seriously hope we get a lot more Joey using his powers and being all "this is awesome!"
Actually apparently she was the only one he talked to, and they showed that she was in contact with him behind Coulson's back.
this would be bad enough on its own, but its so much worse after seeing the chemistry that Coulson and Roz had. right from the very beginning of the season every scene they've had together has been create and the actors did a great job of playing off each other. it helped that the actress really seemed to be loving the role too.
Best line ever.
Minor correction, Amy Acker was never on Buffy.
Also, re: Lincoln this episode. I think it's logical that someone expressed the opinion that
It's a thankless opinion to voice because of how the audience generally feels about the characters, but it makes sense that someone would, and people like May and Mac were ultimately willing to do the same.
Oh, I do think he's forced as a love interest, though.
Just now, thinking over them leveling the castle, it occurred to me that most of those guys probably didn't make it. Like, Lash obviously killed a bunch of dudes (and Inhumans), but May firing probably took out a couple dozen guys as well. They didn't show it (and to be clear I'm glad they didn't), but if you think it over, this episode had a considerable body count. Dozens of Hydra guys in the castle, 8 Inhumans (I'm assuming we'll see TK guy again), most of the people who went to the planet (Well, Ward got better pretty quickly), etc.
Yeah as much as I disagree with his views he's pretty consistent with them and also with his personality.
Also he never stops smirking my god that awful smirk, but who knows maybe she's into that, that could just be a preference thing.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
If you're friends with Amy Acker and she's willing to act in your stuff, you let her act in your stuff.
Crazy talk:
Fitz was telling him to hurry so they could escape, not to not kill Ward.
I'm also not sure Fitz is ok with how things went down (int terms of Coulson taking time to kill a subdued Ward instead of just leaving him, and I suspect that is going to cause some friction between the two going forward.
If you look at his actions, he was taking a lot of unnecessary risks and putting other people's lives in danger in order to go after Ward.
He temporarily gave up being director of SHIELD when they needed his leadership the most. He let himself be manipulated by Ward into getting Fitz and Simmons captured by Hydra. He skydived into the portal, which was a really stupid thing to do and could have easily gotten him killed. He had zero plan for what he would do after he got through the portal. He took his time crushing Ward's chest instead of just shooting him and risked getting stranded on the planet.
Things could have turned out terribly at any of those points and they would have been avoidable. However, since everything still turned out fine, there wasn't much consequence to Coulson crossing the line and allowing his judgment to be compromised by his desire for revenge.
I think that "Death" has to possesses dead creatures (humans?).
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sure?
but that's like comparing a soldier's body count to that of a serial killer
Okay. But aside from his family, everybody Ward killed could be directly linked to his work as a soldier of SHIELD/Hydra or self-defense.
It's not like "soldier of SHIELD" and "soldier of Hydra" are remotely equivalent.
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