[Star Wars] Nothing quite as thrilling as galactic politics.

bloodatonement · December 2015

So how many people died

on Star Killer base? Really didn't seem like there was time for much of an evacuations, and seemed like a very large portion of the First Order was hanging out there. Also, Phasma being thrown in a trash compactor like 10 minutes before the whole things blows really seems like she should be space dust.

Javen · December 2015

bloodatonement wrote: »

So how many people died
on Star Killer base? Really didn't seem like there was time for much of an evacuations, and seemed like a very large portion of the First Order was hanging out there. Also, Phasma being thrown in a trash compactor like 10 minutes before the whole things blows really seems like she should be space dust.

I assume we're meant to think 'lots' since evacuation was officially ordered. It's kind of the opposite of the Battle of Yavin in ANH. Tarkin says 'stay' so unless we explicitly see them survive (Vader) we can assume they dead. But Snoke says to leave, and people were peacing out even before that, so unless we see someone die, we're meant to presume that there were many survivors. There aren't really any establishing shots to convey 'there is a large death toll'

el_vicio · December 2015

I actually...don't mind the name Dooku? It's leagues ahead of PLAGUEIS and SIDIOUS. Snoke sounds like some Harry Potter pet lizard, but hey, what's in a name, really. Especially in Star Wars.

Phillishere · December 2015

autono-wally, erotibot300 wrote: »

I have never played Kotor 1 oder 2

would playing them give me more enjoyment of SWTOR?

I'm playing them regardless, still..

I actually think SWTOR is the inferior of the three, simply because the actual gameplay in KOTOR 1 and 2 is better than its MMO translation. In terms of graphics and story, all three have high and low points. They do feel a lot like three iterations of the same series.

Mego Thor · December 2015

Uriel wrote: »

Mego Thor wrote: »

Ceno wrote: »

Mr. G wrote: »

So the reason I think people have such a negative reaction to the name "Snoke"
I think Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher do a really bad job of selling that the name has history and meaning to them

When they say that Snoke is the one that seduced Ben away, I don't believe it

It sounds like they made it up on the spot

They have the same amount of venom in their voice for the man(?) who took their son away from them as they would for the neighbor down the street who still has their Christmas lights up in February

Also Snoke is a stupid, stupid name

Count Dooku.

Dooku.

Elaan Sleazebaggano

...of the New Hampshire Sleazebagganos.

Javen · December 2015

It's the 'Supreme Leader' part that actually is worse, to me. Though titles in Star Wars are really dumb in general. The old republic having a "Supreme Chancellor" title when your system of government involves yay or nay votes between apparently hundreds of senators, for instance.

OmnipotentBagel · December 2015

Javen wrote: »

It's the 'Supreme Leader' part that actually is worse, to me. Though titles in Star Wars are really dumb in general. The old republic having a "Supreme Chancellor" title when your system of government involves yay or nay votes between apparently hundreds of senators, for instance.

Well, when your title can't be as inherently boss as "Galactic Emperor" you gotta try and compensate somehow.

Sterica · December 2015

bloodatonement wrote: »

So how many people died
on Star Killer base? Really didn't seem like there was time for much of an evacuations, and seemed like a very large portion of the First Order was hanging out there. Also, Phasma being thrown in a trash compactor like 10 minutes before the whole things blows really seems like she should be space dust.

Phasma dying on Starkiller base seems like a massive waste of a character.

Inquisitor · December 2015

OmnipotentBagel wrote: »

Maddoc wrote: »

Between this and the political situation of the galaxy, we should retitle this to "The [Star Wars] thread where everything not explicitly stated is an oversight" or something

"Now that everyone's seen the movie, let's nitpick it to death."

Why does Kilo Ren refer to a division of troops when clearly he has less than 10k to 20k men engaged in the current battle?

This movie is fucking dog shit man.

Phillishere · December 2015

Al_wat wrote: »

I want a movie based on that ice cream vendor from Bespin in ESB who was a secret alliance spy

I learned today that yes... this is an actual thing....

Dude even got an action figure - http://www.amazon.com/Hasbro-Star-Wars-Collection-Factory/dp/B004MNOXOA

bsjezz · December 2015

Bobkins Flymo wrote: »

bloodatonement wrote: »

So how many people died
on Star Killer base? Really didn't seem like there was time for much of an evacuations, and seemed like a very large portion of the First Order was hanging out there. Also, Phasma being thrown in a trash compactor like 10 minutes before the whole things blows really seems like she should be space dust.

Phasma dying on Starkiller base seems like a massive waste of a character.

forward chronology doesn't seem to have much to do with what disney are doing with the franchise, though

Javen · December 2015

bloodatonement wrote: »

So how many people died
on Star Killer base? Really didn't seem like there was time for much of an evacuations, and seemed like a very large portion of the First Order was hanging out there. Also, Phasma being thrown in a trash compactor like 10 minutes before the whole things blows really seems like she should be space dust.

I know that whole scene (Finn getting overexcited, the trash compactor smirk) was one mainly meant for comedy, which is kind of a staple of Star Wars, but it made me sad that they used her for that. I know the nebulous "they" has mentioned that she's coming back in an increased capacity in episode 8, which is great, but I don't know why they seemed content giving viewers such an ineffectual perception of the character who the creators obviously see as completely badass in this movie. At the very least, they're going to have to spend time walking back such perceptions in the next movie. I feel like the only way people care at all about the character now, is if they paid attention to the people involved in the film talking her up so much. Already I've talked to a lot of casual Star Wars fans, and big Game of Thrones fans, who think it was dumb to bring in Brienne of Tarth only for her to be reduced to chump status.

darleysam · December 2015

Bobkins Flymo wrote: »

bloodatonement wrote: »

So how many people died
on Star Killer base? Really didn't seem like there was time for much of an evacuations, and seemed like a very large portion of the First Order was hanging out there. Also, Phasma being thrown in a trash compactor like 10 minutes before the whole things blows really seems like she should be space dust.

Phasma dying on Starkiller base seems like a massive waste of a character.

Yeah this is one that I'm really, really hoping is a case of "didn't show it, didn't happen". If they've bumped her off after those couple of scenes, I'll be disappointed.

101 · December 2015

Bobkins Flymo wrote: »

bloodatonement wrote: »

So how many people died
on Star Killer base? Really didn't seem like there was time for much of an evacuations, and seemed like a very large portion of the First Order was hanging out there. Also, Phasma being thrown in a trash compactor like 10 minutes before the whole things blows really seems like she should be space dust.

Phasma dying on Starkiller base seems like a massive waste of a character.

Phasma has been confirmed for Episode 8.

Also considering the general had time to go get orders, pick up Ren and then get off-world - it seems like they had a fair bit of time to escape

OmnipotentBagel · December 2015

bsjezz wrote: »

Bobkins Flymo wrote: »

bloodatonement wrote: »

So how many people died
on Star Killer base? Really didn't seem like there was time for much of an evacuations, and seemed like a very large portion of the First Order was hanging out there. Also, Phasma being thrown in a trash compactor like 10 minutes before the whole things blows really seems like she should be space dust.

Phasma dying on Starkiller base seems like a massive waste of a character.

forward chronology doesn't seem to have much to do with what disney are doing with the franchise, though

Yes, from the one movie that has been released so far it doesn't seem like they plan on keeping characters around from movie to movie.

???

Ceno · December 2015

I'm really not sure why people can't really grasp that there are two more goddamn full movies coming

Is the part where Disney officially announced them all not enough

Javen · December 2015

101 wrote: »

Bobkins Flymo wrote: »

bloodatonement wrote: »

So how many people died
on Star Killer base? Really didn't seem like there was time for much of an evacuations, and seemed like a very large portion of the First Order was hanging out there. Also, Phasma being thrown in a trash compactor like 10 minutes before the whole things blows really seems like she should be space dust.

Phasma dying on Starkiller base seems like a massive waste of a character.

Phasma has been confirmed for Episode 8.

Also considering the general had time to go get orders, pick up Ren and then get off-world - it seems like they had a fair bit of time to escape

and all that being the case, I feel like if they were planning on going this route from the beginning, don't even introduce the character until episode 8. Pull a Boba Fett and have her be the one that the First Order calls in special to get shit done. Light introduction, but by context quickly establish them as effective at their given task. Fett likely wouldn't have been as well regarded if Lucas had our first impressions of the character been the 'Han accidentally knocks him into sarlaac pit accompanied by Wilhelm scream

Librarian's ghost · December 2015

So when they simplified stuff in Old Republic like making companion gear purely cosmetic and let all of them heal, did they also remove various side quests? I've been playing through on lower characters and there are places I am sure there was a side quest and there is nothing now.

I mean not that I really need the quests I was level 18 when I left the starting planet.

Javen · December 2015

timspork's ghost wrote: »

So when they simplified stuff in Old Republic like making companion gear purely cosmetic and let all of them heal, did they also remove various side quests? I've been playing through on lower characters and there are places I am sure there was a side quest and there is nothing now.

I mean not that I really need the quests I was level 18 when I left the starting planet.

They may have removed the 'Bonus Series' a lot of planets got once you were done with everything else, but none of those were very interesting. As far as culling the others though, none that I've heard of. It's all super optional though, so they may have placed them a bit more on the periphery?

Ladai · December 2015

Al_wat wrote: »

Hawkstone wrote: »

Al_wat wrote: »

Maddoc wrote: »

IMDB is more or less user curated though, it's basically wikipedia

ah. I guess time will tell once more reliable sources are revealed.

I saw it reported by several news outlets...Not that those are always reliable either but I don't see a reason to make it up.

Personally I think it is true but I will concede that a 100% reliable source hasn't come to the attention of me or this thread at this point in time

For what it's worth, I saw it reported last night on ABC World News Tonight, citing Abrams as their source.

Maddoc · December 2015

Javen wrote: »

101 wrote: »

Bobkins Flymo wrote: »

bloodatonement wrote: »

So how many people died
on Star Killer base? Really didn't seem like there was time for much of an evacuations, and seemed like a very large portion of the First Order was hanging out there. Also, Phasma being thrown in a trash compactor like 10 minutes before the whole things blows really seems like she should be space dust.

Phasma dying on Starkiller base seems like a massive waste of a character.

Phasma has been confirmed for Episode 8.

Also considering the general had time to go get orders, pick up Ren and then get off-world - it seems like they had a fair bit of time to escape

and all that being the case, I feel like if they were planning on going this route from the beginning, don't even introduce the character until episode 8. Pull a Boba Fett and have her be the one that the First Order calls in special to get shit done. Light introduction, but by context quickly establish them as effective at their given task. Fett likely wouldn't have been as well regarded if Lucas had our first impressions of the character been the 'Han accidentally knocks him into sarlaac pit accompanied by Wilhelm scream

Instead, we got

Javen · December 2015

More on Phasma

It's all the more sad considering how well Chrtisie obviously gets on with the other cast, too. She's got MAJOR chemistry with a lot of the leads (though I've yet to see anyone Isaacs doesn't ooze chemistry with) I would have liked to see a bit more of that in this film.

RT800 · December 2015

They definitely removed some quests.

Which seems like an odd decision. Why would they remove content? Even if it's not "necessary" anymore, it might still be enjoyed by people who enjoy questing.

Javen · December 2015

RT800 wrote: »

They definitely removed some quests.

Which seems like an odd decision. Why would they remove content? Even if it's not "necessary" anymore, it might still be enjoyed by people who enjoy questing.

If so then yeah, that's definitely strange.

Javen · December 2015

/spoiler]

Maddoc wrote: »

Javen wrote: »

101 wrote: »

Bobkins Flymo wrote: »

bloodatonement wrote: »

So how many people died
on Star Killer base? Really didn't seem like there was time for much of an evacuations, and seemed like a very large portion of the First Order was hanging out there. Also, Phasma being thrown in a trash compactor like 10 minutes before the whole things blows really seems like she should be space dust.

Phasma dying on Starkiller base seems like a massive waste of a character.

Phasma has been confirmed for Episode 8.

Also considering the general had time to go get orders, pick up Ren and then get off-world - it seems like they had a fair bit of time to escape

and all that being the case, I feel like if they were planning on going this route from the beginning, don't even introduce the character until episode 8. Pull a Boba Fett and have her be the one that the First Order calls in special to get shit done. Light introduction, but by context quickly establish them as effective at their given task. Fett likely wouldn't have been as well regarded if Lucas had our first impressions of the character been the 'Han accidentally knocks him into sarlaac pit accompanied by Wilhelm scream

Instead, we got

Maybe this is more telling of the Star Wars universe, but I honestly have no idea whether I'm supposed to see that picture as awesome or horribly lame

Maddoc · December 2015

I think you need to watch the Star Wars Christmas Special

Tube · December 2015

Chincymcchilla wrote: »

Javen wrote: »

Chincymcchilla wrote: »

Javen wrote: »

Chincymcchilla wrote: »

Javen wrote: »

Decomposey wrote: »

Javen wrote: »

Decomposey wrote: »

Javen wrote: »

Chincymcchilla wrote: »

Javen wrote: »

Chincymcchilla wrote: »

Leia and rey
Leia knows rey was with han and she cared for Han

She knows Han died

I dunno I thought it was self explanatory?

Yeah but so was Chewie and Leia didn't even look at him.

It's because Rey is the jedi now and thus cemented her role as primary protagonist. That's the first and last the reason.

No, that's needlessly cynical and reductive

This is literally the first time Rey and Leia meet. Apart from 'the Force' there's not even any explanation that each one knows who the other is. Rey was kidnapped before the resistance came and had never met Poe or Leia or anyone in the Resistance up to that point. They don't even introduce themselves before embracing one another. It's a tiny detail, but it's a super weird tiny detail to add when you think about it, other than 'let's have these two primary characters interact and it's the end of the film so no real time for exposition, so let's just have them be close immediately'.

They DON'T know each other. But they both know the other is grieving so they hug to share that grief. Chewy is busy taking care of Finn, he's too mentally occupied to be filled with grief, but Rey isn't and Leia isn't, and so they hug to support each other. How is this so hard to grasp?

I grasp it just fine. You can obviously rationalize it, just like you can perfectly rationalize Chewbacca not getting getting a medal in ANH, or how they decided to have Obi-Wan and R2-D2 be pals in the prequels, despite Alec Guinness explicitly saying 'I don't know this droid' in the first film. Doesn't change the fact that it stands out. Oversights happen in films. This definitely feels like one of them.

Right, so one of the most touching and emotionally charged moments in the film is an oversight. Ok, sure.

My issue isn't that the scene itself is an oversight, because it's not, it's with the characters who took part in said scene and the roles they play. Rey obviously cares more about Finn than she did Han, and Chewbacca definitely cares more about Han than Finn, so it's strange that the decision was made to essentially swap their positions that would have made the most sense; with Chewie and Leia sharing the moment of mourning for Han, and Rey ensuring that her first and best friend survives. And given the lack of history between Rey and Leia, the decision to do so seems to have been made because of Rey's position as primary protagonist

Chewie immediately goes for alone time, and Rey knows finn is alive and goes and checks on her after the hug

People can perform more than one similar action

Chewie probably also got a hug

And Rey and Leia both loved Han, they are sharing a moment of grief

this is super weird dude, this is like

a basic human emotional action

You seem very intent on rejecting the idea that something is done with the impetus being 'this is the main character' when it happens in films constantly. It's an incredibly effective way of getting the audience to care more about something, because that character is generally one the audience is most invested in. And it's fine that they decided to do that in this case, because it works (I completely forgot that Rey and Leia had never seen each other before in my first viewing) but on subsequent watches, it's definitely a question I asked, just like "why didn't they give Chewie a medal?" I also didn't notice that after the first time watching A New Hope, and in the long run it doesn't really matter, or take away from the gravitas of the scene, but it definitely feels like a detail oversight

and you seem very intent on rejecting human emotions so I don't think this is going to go anywhere

its a fine moment that fits the emotional and narrative arcs of both characters perfectly

Maybe I'm miscommunicating, because human emotions and the display thereof has nothing to do with my argument.

Thats kind of the problem

you're ignoring an emotional reaction the two characters have and share from an event because it doesn't fit structurally as well as some other outcome you have in your head

but based on the background and interactions the two characters have had it makes perfect sense they would share this emotional moment

the fact that you have a reason this doesn't work that ignores the emotional component is, in fact, kind of my point!

Didgeridoo wrote: »

Chincy come off it

He's making his point very respectfully and you're calling him a robot who doesn't understand human emotions. You're being a goose

I think the continued ignoring of what should be an easy to understand emotional point is really weird, yes

You're being a fucking dick. It's Star Wars. It doesn't matter. Behave yourself.

Hobnail · December 2015

I don't know, it had been awhile since I'd seen Chincy aggressively carp on about some horseshit, kind of forgot about it

I spose your mileage will vary

RT800 · December 2015

I too thought it was odd that

Leia embraced Rey.

I only saw the movie once, so maybe my recollection's a little fuzzy, but it seemed like they barely interacted with each other. Maybe a few lines. I certainly didn't get the impression that they'd spent much time together.

And Chewie just walks on past Leia without a word.

Definitely struck me as odd.

DarkPrimus · December 2015

Snoke's last name is Monster and he's actually a large, black gaseous cloud.

RT800 · December 2015

It would be interesting if Snoke actually looked nothing like his holographic projection.

I mean, using a fake avatar is loads better than just putting a hood over your head and hoping nobody can see under there.

JoeUser · December 2015

John Locke was force sensitive

JayKaos · December 2015

Turns out Snoke is actually

Kylo Ren pulling an elaborate prank on Huxx.

fightinfilipino · December 2015

RT800 wrote: »

I too thought it was odd that
Leia embraced Rey.

I only saw the movie once, so maybe my recollection's a little fuzzy, but it seemed like they barely interacted with each other. Maybe a few lines. I certainly didn't get the impression that they'd spent much time together.

And Chewie just walks on past Leia without a word.

Definitely struck me as odd.

i think there's some heavy implication that

Rey and Leia shared a moment through the Force, since they both had affections for Han in their own respective ways and both heavily felt the loss of his death and the way it happened

SaraLuna · December 2015

RT800 wrote: »

They definitely removed some quests.

Which seems like an odd decision. Why would they remove content? Even if it's not "necessary" anymore, it might still be enjoyed by people who enjoy questing.

Some got removed, some had their questgiver removed, but you can still access them from heroic terminals.
All side quests were made optional, and the UI might hide them by default.

Chincymcchilla · December 2015

Tube wrote: »

Chincymcchilla wrote: »

Javen wrote: »

Chincymcchilla wrote: »

Javen wrote: »

Chincymcchilla wrote: »

Javen wrote: »

Decomposey wrote: »

Javen wrote: »

Decomposey wrote: »

Javen wrote: »

Chincymcchilla wrote: »

Javen wrote: »

Chincymcchilla wrote: »

Leia and rey
Leia knows rey was with han and she cared for Han

She knows Han died

I dunno I thought it was self explanatory?

Yeah but so was Chewie and Leia didn't even look at him.

It's because Rey is the jedi now and thus cemented her role as primary protagonist. That's the first and last the reason.

No, that's needlessly cynical and reductive

This is literally the first time Rey and Leia meet. Apart from 'the Force' there's not even any explanation that each one knows who the other is. Rey was kidnapped before the resistance came and had never met Poe or Leia or anyone in the Resistance up to that point. They don't even introduce themselves before embracing one another. It's a tiny detail, but it's a super weird tiny detail to add when you think about it, other than 'let's have these two primary characters interact and it's the end of the film so no real time for exposition, so let's just have them be close immediately'.

They DON'T know each other. But they both know the other is grieving so they hug to share that grief. Chewy is busy taking care of Finn, he's too mentally occupied to be filled with grief, but Rey isn't and Leia isn't, and so they hug to support each other. How is this so hard to grasp?

I grasp it just fine. You can obviously rationalize it, just like you can perfectly rationalize Chewbacca not getting getting a medal in ANH, or how they decided to have Obi-Wan and R2-D2 be pals in the prequels, despite Alec Guinness explicitly saying 'I don't know this droid' in the first film. Doesn't change the fact that it stands out. Oversights happen in films. This definitely feels like one of them.

Right, so one of the most touching and emotionally charged moments in the film is an oversight. Ok, sure.

My issue isn't that the scene itself is an oversight, because it's not, it's with the characters who took part in said scene and the roles they play. Rey obviously cares more about Finn than she did Han, and Chewbacca definitely cares more about Han than Finn, so it's strange that the decision was made to essentially swap their positions that would have made the most sense; with Chewie and Leia sharing the moment of mourning for Han, and Rey ensuring that her first and best friend survives. And given the lack of history between Rey and Leia, the decision to do so seems to have been made because of Rey's position as primary protagonist

Chewie immediately goes for alone time, and Rey knows finn is alive and goes and checks on her after the hug

People can perform more than one similar action

Chewie probably also got a hug

And Rey and Leia both loved Han, they are sharing a moment of grief

this is super weird dude, this is like

a basic human emotional action

You seem very intent on rejecting the idea that something is done with the impetus being 'this is the main character' when it happens in films constantly. It's an incredibly effective way of getting the audience to care more about something, because that character is generally one the audience is most invested in. And it's fine that they decided to do that in this case, because it works (I completely forgot that Rey and Leia had never seen each other before in my first viewing) but on subsequent watches, it's definitely a question I asked, just like "why didn't they give Chewie a medal?" I also didn't notice that after the first time watching A New Hope, and in the long run it doesn't really matter, or take away from the gravitas of the scene, but it definitely feels like a detail oversight

and you seem very intent on rejecting human emotions so I don't think this is going to go anywhere

its a fine moment that fits the emotional and narrative arcs of both characters perfectly

Maybe I'm miscommunicating, because human emotions and the display thereof has nothing to do with my argument.

Thats kind of the problem

you're ignoring an emotional reaction the two characters have and share from an event because it doesn't fit structurally as well as some other outcome you have in your head

but based on the background and interactions the two characters have had it makes perfect sense they would share this emotional moment

the fact that you have a reason this doesn't work that ignores the emotional component is, in fact, kind of my point!

Didgeridoo wrote: »

Chincy come off it

He's making his point very respectfully and you're calling him a robot who doesn't understand human emotions. You're being a goose

I think the continued ignoring of what should be an easy to understand emotional point is really weird, yes

You're being a fucking dick. It's Star Wars. It doesn't matter. Behave yourself.

Thank you Tube

Grey Ghost · December 2015

We Hate Movies' interpretation of the scene we're all arguing about

was that Chewie just cannot bear to see Leia right now
Like he just failed his fucking life debt, he ain't wanna know from nothing or nobody, especially not the love of his best friend's life
So he just cruises on past and maybe he can work up to it later