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  • madparrotmadparrot Registered User regular
    Ladai wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Most of the GOP candidates all seem to be campaigning that Trump absolutely can't win under any circumstance but also everyone else should just drop out.

    Which is an odd kind of alignment with Dem views.

    Yeah, none of them seem to believe that Trump or Cruz could ever be the nominee.

    And every other candidate is pretty much in the same position, with regard to the polls, below those two.

    So they just look around and basically say, "Hey, why should I drop out? I have just as much of a chance as anyone down here!"

    And so no one does. Making it easier for either Trump or Cruz to get a plurality in every race.

    It is their fervent hope that they can win the support of all the non-Trump voters, since even though Trump is pulling bigger numbers than anyone else, everyone else combined is pulling bigger numbers than Trump. In this ridiculous game of reverse musical chairs that's going on, whichever 2nd tier candidate is the last one standing when all the others have sat down will win (in their dreams). Each one fancies himself to be the last one standing, so no one is willing to drop out as long as he has money to fund his campaign.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    The issue with that line of thought to me is that just because Jeb or Rubio or whoever drops out doesn't assume all of their votes go to the next candidate in full. If anything it might solidify Trump's support.

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  • SticksSticks I'd rather be in bed.Registered User regular
    Yea, there is a lot of uncertainty around who their 2nd picks would be, though the fact that Trump had high unfavorable numbers with a lot of the key demographics that he isn't already winning would probably support them going to a not-Trump. I don't know how much those have changed recently though. Last I looked was pre-Iowa.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Sticks wrote: »
    Yea, there is a lot of uncertainty around who their 2nd picks would be, though the fact that Trump had high unfavorable numbers with a lot of the key demographics that he isn't already winning would probably support them going to a not-Trump. I don't know how much those have changed recently though. Last I looked was pre-Iowa.

    Trump could also use everyone dropping out to rally against him to rally people to him with "Establishment now consolidating their power to attack me."

    And Cruz could always side with Trump/join him and that really puts the lower candidates nuts in a vice.

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    Dunno about Kasich, but by now is evident that neither Jeb! or Rubio are dropping out. And I just don't see an scenario where Trump doesn't keep trashing them, because for winning the nomination you need a candidate that doesn't fold like a cheap table to Trump. So, I'm still keeping my prediction of Trump getting the nomination.

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  • LadaiLadai Registered User regular
    Yeah I mean there are a lot of ins and outs here.

    A lot of what-have-yous.

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    CNN’s Jake Tapper Calls Anti-Trump Headlines ‘Very Height of Elitism’:

    “I think journalistically, to not take Donald Trump seriously is a mistake,” Tapper tells TheWrap

    CNN’s Jake Tapper is not impressed with Huffington Post and New York Daily News headlines mocking Donald Trump.

    “I think those are business decisions that they are making, not journalistic decisions. They think that will appeal to readers and allow them to carve out a niche to get clicks or have newspapers purchased,” said the host of “The Lead with Jake Tapper,” in an interview with TheWrap.

    “But, I think journalistically, to not take Donald Trump seriously is a mistake. And I think journalistically to attack people who support a candidate is the very height of elitism,” added Tapper. “These are Americans exercising their right to vote and it’s important to go out and meet them and talk to them and find out why they’re supporting the candidates they’re supporting. It’s not my approach to journalism. My approach to journalism is to cover what’s going on and try to understand it and understand the voters and the candidates, not to mock them.”

    There's a series of questions, these two stand apart:
    What are your key takeaways from the New Hampshire primary?

    This process is going to go on, on the Democratic side, a lot longer than I think anyone thought six months ago. That voters are very, very angry and frustrated with Washington, both Democratic voters and Republican voters, and of course, Independents. That Donald Trump is a major force in the Republican Party and the establishment needs to find a way to [deal] with it one way or another, whether it’s trying to make friends with him or trying to figure out how to prevent him from being the nominee, that’s up to them. But, their hope that he was going to self-destruct was wishful thinking and he is a force. The attitude that some people have in regards to who is supporting him is wrong. He wins college graduates, he wins upper-income individuals, and he wins all sorts of voters.

    Did you ever think we’d be sitting here in February with Donald Trump as the GOP frontrunner?

    Yeah, I’ve been saying for months… I was very, very early on very bullish at his chances. As soon as he got to the top of the pack and he went through his first two controversies. He showed not only no sign of weakening, but only signs of getting stronger. I said and I continue to say, “I do not see a scenario where he does not get the nomination.”

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Tapper isn't wrong about the elitism thing.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Tapper isn't wrong about the elitism thing.

    You have to admit Juggalo Trump was funny, though.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Tapper isn't wrong about the elitism thing.

    You have to admit Juggalo Trump was funny, though.

    Never in a million years!

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • Inkstain82Inkstain82 Registered User regular
    There are reasons they think they can pass trump if everyone else drops out. He isn't a run of the mill weak frontrunner. He is an insurgent independent whom most of the republican voting base actively dislikes.

  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    Preacher wrote: »
    Tapper isn't wrong about the elitism thing.

    You have to admit Juggalo Trump was funny, though.

    It was funny, but the HuffPo temper tantrum was just embarassing. It was just mindless screeching that you can easily get from an anonymous comment, you can just see Ariana Huffington throwing her scotch glass to the wall.

    TryCatcher on
  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Tapper isn't wrong about the elitism thing.

    You have to admit Juggalo Trump was funny, though.

    It was funny, but the HuffPo temper tantrum was just embarassing. It just mindless screeching that you can easily get from an anonymous comment, you can just see Ariana Huffington throwing her scotch glass to the wall.

    Well, seeing her put out is entertaining in its own way.

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  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    edited February 2016
    HuffPo is bullshit

    NYDN has at least been doing actual reportage, they just also have to sell papers because they have employees to pay

    Shorty on
  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    Shorty wrote: »
    HuffPo is bullshit

    NYDN has at least been doing actual reportage, they just also have to sell papers because they have employees to pay

    This is sort off-topic, but /r/sandersforpresident2 /r/politics has become basically unreadable because is just an endless parade of mostly HuffPo WaPo articles accusing Hillary Clinton of everything under the sun. I mean, Christ, Trump winning NH was just a small blip on the radar.

    EDIT: My point was bad since I meant WaPo, but is there already.

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  • Inkstain82Inkstain82 Registered User regular
    It is absolutely goosey to report super delegates as part of the total.

    And yes, the system for deciding who is the nominee of a political party written by the party is designed to protect the interests of the party.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    Jragghen wrote: »

    Can't trust what the Iranian guy says to necessarily be accurate and truthful.

    Granted, I do remember when some Republicans in Congress were trying to kill a deal by telling the Iranians that any deal without a treaty would just be temporary and end when Obama left office so basically not to bother with it or something similar.

    Couscous on
  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »

    Can't trust what the Iranian guy says to necessarily be accurate and truthful.

    Granted, I do remember when some Republicans in Congress were trying to kill a trade deal by telling the Iranians that any deal without a treaty would just be temporary and end when Obama left office so basically not to bother with it or something similar.

    Yeah. Appropriate amount of salt, etc.

    I would expect that if true, there's some evidence, and I would love it if that evidence were to be provided.

  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Tapper isn't wrong about the elitism thing.

    You have to admit Juggalo Trump was funny, though.

    Electoral College...how does it work!?

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  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Not a doctor Tree townRegistered User regular
    edited February 2016
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Tapper isn't wrong about the elitism thing.

    You have to admit Juggalo Trump was funny, though.

    It was funny, but the HuffPo temper tantrum was just embarassing. It just mindless screeching that you can easily get from an anonymous comment, you can just see Ariana Huffington throwing her scotch glass to the wall.

    Well, seeing her put out is entertaining in its own way.

    Am I the only one who had to read that sentence more than once?

    Doctor Detroit on
  • madparrotmadparrot Registered User regular
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Tapper isn't wrong about the elitism thing.

    You have to admit Juggalo Trump was funny, though.

    It was funny, but the HuffPo temper tantrum was just embarassing. It just mindless screeching that you can easily get from an anonymous comment, you can just see Ariana Huffington throwing her scotch glass to the wall.

    Well, seeing her put out is entertaining in its own way.

    Am I the only one who had to read that sentence more than once?

    it's a Britishism
    Well, seeing her put out angry and frustrated is entertaining in its own way.

  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Ladai wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Most of the GOP candidates all seem to be campaigning that Trump absolutely can't win under any circumstance but also everyone else should just drop out.

    Which is an odd kind of alignment with Dem views.

    Yeah, none of them seem to believe that Trump or Cruz could ever be the nominee.

    And every other candidate is pretty much in the same position, with regard to the polls, below those two.

    So they just look around and basically say, "Hey, why should I drop out? I have just as much of a chance as anyone down here!"

    And so no one does. Making it easier for either Trump or Cruz to get a plurality in every race.

    There is an exquisite flavor of schadenfreude in watching the GOP inflict the tragedy of the commons on themselves. Or maybe it's prisoner's dilemma, come to think of it. And it's soured by the fact that it points to Trump winning... not than any of the alternatives is more palatable.

    Who wants ice cream?

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  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    That depends, how rich and white is the vanilla?

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    I prefer French Freedom Vanilla.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/team-rubio-has-plan-lose-primaries-win-nomination

    As results from the New Hampshire primary were still being tallied, Marco Rubio’s communications director urged Jeb Bush to drop out of the race in order to prevent Donald Trump’s nomination. As Team Rubio sees it, the Republican “establishment” should simply rally behind the Florida senator, and Jeb stubbornly stands in the way.

    That's just pathetic. If anything Jeb should be urging you to drop out Marco.

    Let us dispense with this fiction that Marco Rubio knows what he is doing. He doesn't have any idea what he's doing.

  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    Jeb! continues to be very bad at this:



    Oh, and Cruz just went full purity test so that's a thing:

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/team-rubio-has-plan-lose-primaries-win-nomination

    As results from the New Hampshire primary were still being tallied, Marco Rubio’s communications director urged Jeb Bush to drop out of the race in order to prevent Donald Trump’s nomination. As Team Rubio sees it, the Republican “establishment” should simply rally behind the Florida senator, and Jeb stubbornly stands in the way.

    That's just pathetic. If anything Jeb should be urging you to drop out Marco.

    Let us dispense with this fiction that Marco Rubio knows what he is doing. He doesn't have any idea what he's doing.

    How are you so bad at this?
    JEB! (R-FL)
    Rubio (R-FL)

    Hmmm... I may have cracked the code.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    moniker wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/team-rubio-has-plan-lose-primaries-win-nomination

    As results from the New Hampshire primary were still being tallied, Marco Rubio’s communications director urged Jeb Bush to drop out of the race in order to prevent Donald Trump’s nomination. As Team Rubio sees it, the Republican “establishment” should simply rally behind the Florida senator, and Jeb stubbornly stands in the way.

    That's just pathetic. If anything Jeb should be urging you to drop out Marco.

    Let us dispense with this fiction that Marco Rubio knows what he is doing. He doesn't have any idea what he's doing.

    Let us dispense with this fiction that Marco Rubio knows what he is doing. He knows nothing about what he is doing.

    moniker on
  • htmhtm Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Ladai wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Most of the GOP candidates all seem to be campaigning that Trump absolutely can't win under any circumstance but also everyone else should just drop out.

    Which is an odd kind of alignment with Dem views.

    Yeah, none of them seem to believe that Trump or Cruz could ever be the nominee.

    And every other candidate is pretty much in the same position, with regard to the polls, below those two.

    So they just look around and basically say, "Hey, why should I drop out? I have just as much of a chance as anyone down here!"

    And so no one does. Making it easier for either Trump or Cruz to get a plurality in every race.

    There is an exquisite flavor of schadenfreude in watching the GOP inflict the tragedy of the commons on themselves. Or maybe it's prisoner's dilemma, come to think of it. And it's soured by the fact that it points to Trump winning... not than any of the alternatives is more palatable.

    Who wants ice cream?

    Yeah, the aftermath of the NH GOP primary has been a giant double-sized helping of sweet, sweet schadenfreude. Really, the only thing I can remember that was better was election night, 2012.

  • RchanenRchanen Registered User regular
    As a Democrat I am all for the circular firing squad continuing in perpetuity.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Cruz Has Softcore Porn issue
    AHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAA

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    Cruz continues his eternal quest of making everybody hate him:
    Protecting the privacy of law-abiding citizens from the government is a pillar of Ted Cruz's Republican presidential candidacy, but his campaign is testing the limits of siphoning personal data from supporters.

    His "Cruz Crew" mobile app is designed to gather detailed information from its users' phones — tracking their physical movements and mining the names and contact information for friends who might want nothing to do with his campaign.

    That information and more is then fed into a vast database containing details about nearly every adult in the United States to build psychological profiles that target individual voters with uncanny accuracy.

    Cruz's sophisticated analytics operation was heralded as key to his victory in Iowa earlier this month — the first proof, his campaign said, that the system has the potential to power him to the nomination.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Of course they pull the ad because actors can't do work.



    Christ, what an asshole.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Cruz Has Softcore Porn issue
    AHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAA

    I clicked that with extreme trepidation. To assess the situation for the rest of you.

    Thankfully, Cruz was not personally involved in any sort of porn, soft or otherwise. You can rest easy and read it yourself.

  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    First 3 words of that headline "Cruz campaign yanks"

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    First 3 words of that headline "Cruz campaign yanks"

    extreme trepidation

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »

    Can't trust what the Iranian guy says to necessarily be accurate and truthful.

    Granted, I do remember when some Republicans in Congress were trying to kill a deal by telling the Iranians that any deal without a treaty would just be temporary and end when Obama left office so basically not to bother with it or something similar.

    In this case, it's more that Republicans wanted to slam Obama with "abandoning our people" with the Iran deal. And also Iran is going through its own election season, so moderates are trying to kick hardliners.

  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    madparrot wrote: »
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Tapper isn't wrong about the elitism thing.

    You have to admit Juggalo Trump was funny, though.

    It was funny, but the HuffPo temper tantrum was just embarassing. It just mindless screeching that you can easily get from an anonymous comment, you can just see Ariana Huffington throwing her scotch glass to the wall.

    Well, seeing her put out is entertaining in its own way.

    Am I the only one who had to read that sentence more than once?

    it's a Britishism
    Well, seeing her put out angry and frustrated is entertaining in its own way.

    Oh, I know that. Still. :>

    EDIT: also - I lol'd the first time I heard certain candidates referred to as "Florida Man". We're now seeing the fulfillment of that.

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  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Cruz Has Softcore Porn issue
    AHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAA

    I clicked that with extreme trepidation. To assess the situation for the rest of you.

    Thankfully, Cruz was not personally involved in any sort of porn, soft or otherwise. You can rest easy and read it yourself.

    This person deserves a medal of some kind.

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