I'd like a new Bond introduction in which 007 only ever appears from the perspective of other agents and is never specifically identified, so you don't actually know who he is until the end of the movie.
Man how great would it be if Sony managed to put out an action movie that turns out to actually be a Bond film in the last third? They'd never do it and it'd be almost impossible to pull off in today's media climate but what a twist...
Here's how I'd make it.
It'd be the story of a young, wet behind the ears agent on his first mission. Something diplomatic, with lots of spying rather than lots of spying. In the end he does his thing and wins and whatever and they tell him he's passed his test and give him his cover identity (which we don't see) and send him into a party. The guy at the door says "name please?" and he says "Bond. James Bond".
But yeah, you'd never be able to do it, let alone have it unspoiled. Would be fun though!
The problem though is I feel like that kind of move is hard to make without it feeling all kinds of hokey
I cannot think of the name of it, but there's some melodrama movie that at the very end of it reveals it takes place on September 10th, 2001 and it's so lame it's actually a laugh moment
I'd like a new Bond introduction in which 007 only ever appears from the perspective of other agents and is never specifically identified, so you don't actually know who he is until the end of the movie.
Man how great would it be if Sony managed to put out an action movie that turns out to actually be a Bond film in the last third? They'd never do it and it'd be almost impossible to pull off in today's media climate but what a twist...
Here's how I'd make it.
It'd be the story of a young, wet behind the ears agent on his first mission. Something diplomatic, with lots of spying rather than lots of spying. In the end he does his thing and wins and whatever and they tell him he's passed his test and give him his cover identity (which we don't see) and send him into a party. The guy at the door says "name please?" and he says "Bond. James Bond".
But yeah, you'd never be able to do it, let alone have it unspoiled. Would be fun though!
The problem though is I feel like that kind of move is hard to make without it feeling all kinds of hokey
I cannot think of the name of it, but there's some melodrama movie that at the very end of it reveals it takes place on September 10th, 2001 and it's so lame it's actually a laugh moment
And that's what that reminds me of
Yeah, I can see the comparison for sure. The scenario where it works is heavily predicated on the film before it being really great so that you're fully on board. The movie you're thinking of sucks shit waaaaaaay before that point. Also it's using a tragedy for it's plot twist in a really gross way. The twist has to be an extra thing, where you go "holy shit, that character I love is the new James Bond?!" rather than "oh for fuck's sake".
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that Robert Pattinson movie... I think it's called "Remember Me" or something equally dumb
But I mean imagine if it worked. Imagine the one shot following him into the building. Imagine a musical cue that's creeping closer and closer to the bond theme. Imagine thinking, "wait... are they?" and figuring it out three seconds before he says it. It could be amazing if it was done right, or the worst thing ever. That tends to be where most things like that lie.
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Caught The Man From U.N.C.L.E. earlier in the week.
Occasional gripes with a repetitive editing trick and a scene or two aside, it's a recommend from me (and currently on HBO's rotation).
I mean, they beat the "scene C while scenes A-B that happened before C play" horse into the fucking ground. I actually yelled at the TV when it happened during the missile sequence at the end.
But I dug a lot of it, the soundtrack was great, and if there was a single part I loved more than others, it was this one:
But I mean imagine if it worked. Imagine the one shot following him into the building. Imagine a musical cue that's creeping closer and closer to the bond theme. Imagine thinking, "wait... are they?" and figuring it out three seconds before he says it. It could be amazing if it was done right, or the worst thing ever. That tends to be where most things like that lie.
It would work super well if they didn't feel such a need to market everything as THE NEXT JAMES BOND FILM to get buts in the seats.
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Craig has been so good at playing up Bond's self-loathing and thuggish, asshole nature
It's a shame to lose him, but I can't fault him for wanting out, and four movies is a fine enough tenure
And I know, I know it's old hat, but Idris Elba as Bond is still my personal pick. The guy's a good actor and (almost more importantly) he has enough raw charisma that even if the writing isn't up to snuff he could still carry a picture and make it entertaining
Tom Hiddleston could do a lot to make Bond menacing, though. Not like Craig's rugby-player caveman-brow fastest-way-around-is-through-this-wall attitude, but in that sort of cold, knife-edge sort of way. Don't know that they'd ever really want that for James Bond--seems like he'd be a better Bond villain, to be honest--but it could be very cool!
Really, as long as it's not Benedict Cumberbatch I'm game for whoever
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Speculation below; spoilers for the ending of Dark Tower series
in the book, when Roland reaches the Tower, he's supposed to blow the Horn of Eld
only problem is he lost the horn years and years ago, so the quest is not completed, and he is sucked back to the beginning of the cycle to try it again, except this time the horn is on his belt, implying that this time around he'll be able to finish it properly
I wonder if the movie is not so much an adaptation as it is a straight-up sequel to the books; the final cycle, where he finally completes his quest
Speculation below; spoilers for the ending of Dark Tower series
in the book, when Roland reaches the Tower, he's supposed to blow the Horn of Eld
only problem is he lost the horn years and years ago, so the quest is not completed, and he is sucked back to the beginning of the cycle to try it again, except this time the horn is on his belt, implying that this time around he'll be able to finish it properly
I wonder if the movie is not so much an adaptation as it is a straight-up sequel to the books; the final cycle, where he finally completes his quest
That is brilliant because hooooo boy that ending to a blockbuster movie audience
I would love to see the original ending, but I'm the guy who's always pushing for movies to do more interesting narrative stuff that absolutely wouldn't work for the average moviegoer. You're definitely right that changing it would be a good move for accessibility.
I long assumed they would do that with a film version. It's the perfect "out" for making changes in the adaptation and still, oddly enough, remaining true to the source.
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That is brilliant because hooooo boy that ending to a blockbuster movie audience
I would love to see the original ending, but I'm the guy who's always pushing for movies to do more interesting narrative stuff that absolutely wouldn't work for the average moviegoer. You're definitely right that changing it would be a good move for accessibility.
This seems like it is a perfect compromise, though
Giving something new (yet faithful) to fans of the books while giving a proper ending to moviegoers who haven't read them
Even as someone with next to no interest in reading those goddamn things, I am impressed at how clever that would be!
That is brilliant because hooooo boy that ending to a blockbuster movie audience
I would love to see the original ending, but I'm the guy who's always pushing for movies to do more interesting narrative stuff that absolutely wouldn't work for the average moviegoer. You're definitely right that changing it would be a good move for accessibility.
This seems like it is a perfect compromise, though
Giving something new (yet faithful) to fans of the books while giving a proper ending to moviegoers who haven't read them
Even as someone with next to no interest in reading those goddamn things, I am impressed at how clever that would be!
Oh for sure.
I do absolutely love the conceit of "sequel but still mostly the same story" and that that's fully supported by the book. It's kind of like the conceit of Star Trek (2009), but way less contrived.
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I want to click those spoilers but I also just finished The Gunslinger and am contemplating how invested I am in continuing the series, because I was not as into it as I would've liked
I've never actually read the Dark Tower books but I've seen them discussed enough to have a general idea of the series and, given the cast list, will probably check out the movie.
That is brilliant because hooooo boy that ending to a blockbuster movie audience
I would love to see the original ending, but I'm the guy who's always pushing for movies to do more interesting narrative stuff that absolutely wouldn't work for the average moviegoer. You're definitely right that changing it would be a good move for accessibility.
This seems like it is a perfect compromise, though
Giving something new (yet faithful) to fans of the books while giving a proper ending to moviegoers who haven't read them
Even as someone with next to no interest in reading those goddamn things, I am impressed at how clever that would be!
Oh for sure.
I do absolutely love the conceit of "sequel but still mostly the same story" and that that's fully supported by the book. It's kind of like the conceit of Star Trek (2009), but way less contrived.
It also
Let's the movie be a bit more flexible with what it adapts and how it adapts it.
Like, I can't imagine the demon-rape and demon-baby stuff being easy to swallow nowadays.
Hell, that stuff bothered me even before I started hanging out in feminist circles.
That is brilliant because hooooo boy that ending to a blockbuster movie audience
I would love to see the original ending, but I'm the guy who's always pushing for movies to do more interesting narrative stuff that absolutely wouldn't work for the average moviegoer. You're definitely right that changing it would be a good move for accessibility.
This seems like it is a perfect compromise, though
Giving something new (yet faithful) to fans of the books while giving a proper ending to moviegoers who haven't read them
Even as someone with next to no interest in reading those goddamn things, I am impressed at how clever that would be!
Oh for sure.
I do absolutely love the conceit of "sequel but still mostly the same story" and that that's fully supported by the book. It's kind of like the conceit of Star Trek (2009), but way less contrived.
It also
Let's the movie be a bit more flexible with what it adapts and how it adapts it.
Like, I can't imagine the demon-rape and demon-baby stuff being easy to swallow nowadays.
Hell, that stuff bothered me even before I started hanging out in feminist circles.
Yeah, that was kind of the idea behind the Star Trek reboot too--being able to pick and choose what elements of the original series to carry over. I know a lot of fans were a bit derisive over that decision but I always thought it was a good way to handle it (and very a Star Treky method in that it provided an adequate, if a bit hand-wavy, in-fiction explanation for a narrative contrivance). That sort of thing really appeals to me.
I want to click those spoilers but I also just finished The Gunslinger and am contemplating how invested I am in continuing the series, because I was not as into it as I would've liked
The Gunslinger is absolutely the "odd duck" of the series. The rest of it is nothing like that first book, and a lot of people have suggested to just read the rest of the series first, then go back and read it. I don't agree with that personally, but I see how you can be on the fence after that one. But the rest of the series is fantastic and will likely make you appreciate the first one more later on.
The gunslinger was written literal decades before king came back to it
IMHO the other books are much better
Truthfully as I recall Wasteland opens with a run down of all you need to know to pick it up from there ala modern Marvel comics. I think that was the first book I read in the series when stumbling upon it all by accident in a school library. It was years before I went back and read the first two.
Saw Keanu today. Pretty funny. Seems like they cut a lot of sub plots involving some of the minor characters ( and the villians I'm pretty sure) though which kind of shifted the focus from the duo to Keegan's Character. Kind of hurt the movie a bit. The twist on a standard action movie ending featuring regular dudes was appreciated .
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The problem though is I feel like that kind of move is hard to make without it feeling all kinds of hokey
I cannot think of the name of it, but there's some melodrama movie that at the very end of it reveals it takes place on September 10th, 2001 and it's so lame it's actually a laugh moment
And that's what that reminds me of
Yeah, I can see the comparison for sure. The scenario where it works is heavily predicated on the film before it being really great so that you're fully on board. The movie you're thinking of sucks shit waaaaaaay before that point. Also it's using a tragedy for it's plot twist in a really gross way. The twist has to be an extra thing, where you go "holy shit, that character I love is the new James Bond?!" rather than "oh for fuck's sake".
You mean "Surprise 9/11"?
Occasional gripes with a repetitive editing trick and a scene or two aside, it's a recommend from me (and currently on HBO's rotation).
But I dug a lot of it, the soundtrack was great, and if there was a single part I loved more than others, it was this one:
Might've been my favorite blockbuster from last year
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Die Another Day.
I just thought about how insane the backlash would be over a Jane Bond though
If people are getting this up in arms about Ghostbusters, the blowback for a woman Bond would be insane
It would work super well if they didn't feel such a need to market everything as THE NEXT JAMES BOND FILM to get buts in the seats.
It's a shame to lose him, but I can't fault him for wanting out, and four movies is a fine enough tenure
And I know, I know it's old hat, but Idris Elba as Bond is still my personal pick. The guy's a good actor and (almost more importantly) he has enough raw charisma that even if the writing isn't up to snuff he could still carry a picture and make it entertaining
Tom Hiddleston could do a lot to make Bond menacing, though. Not like Craig's rugby-player caveman-brow fastest-way-around-is-through-this-wall attitude, but in that sort of cold, knife-edge sort of way. Don't know that they'd ever really want that for James Bond--seems like he'd be a better Bond villain, to be honest--but it could be very cool!
Really, as long as it's not Benedict Cumberbatch I'm game for whoever
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He could probably do a decent Bond villain. Maybe not the headliner, but a recurring minor villain maybe.
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My new novel: Maledictions: The Offering. Now in Paperback!
"Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor
My new novel: Maledictions: The Offering. Now in Paperback!
Speculation below; spoilers for the ending of Dark Tower series
only problem is he lost the horn years and years ago, so the quest is not completed, and he is sucked back to the beginning of the cycle to try it again, except this time the horn is on his belt, implying that this time around he'll be able to finish it properly
I wonder if the movie is not so much an adaptation as it is a straight-up sequel to the books; the final cycle, where he finally completes his quest
I think that could be really cool!
I'm grinning like a total idiot right now
I would love to see the original ending, but I'm the guy who's always pushing for movies to do more interesting narrative stuff that absolutely wouldn't work for the average moviegoer. You're definitely right that changing it would be a good move for accessibility.
This seems like it is a perfect compromise, though
Giving something new (yet faithful) to fans of the books while giving a proper ending to moviegoers who haven't read them
Even as someone with next to no interest in reading those goddamn things, I am impressed at how clever that would be!
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Oh for sure.
It also
Like, I can't imagine the demon-rape and demon-baby stuff being easy to swallow nowadays.
Hell, that stuff bothered me even before I started hanging out in feminist circles.
The Gunslinger is absolutely the "odd duck" of the series. The rest of it is nothing like that first book, and a lot of people have suggested to just read the rest of the series first, then go back and read it. I don't agree with that personally, but I see how you can be on the fence after that one. But the rest of the series is fantastic and will likely make you appreciate the first one more later on.
IMHO the other books are much better
Truthfully as I recall Wasteland opens with a run down of all you need to know to pick it up from there ala modern Marvel comics. I think that was the first book I read in the series when stumbling upon it all by accident in a school library. It was years before I went back and read the first two.
If you're not into it by the end of book two, yeah, I wouldn't go any further
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