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[Preacher]? I hardly know her! (Spoiler rules in OP)

ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
edited May 2016 in Debate and/or Discourse
Tonight on AMC begins a new show called Preacher. It is based on a comic series of the same name. It stars Young Howard Stark from Agent Carter and Precog the Hedgehog from Agents of SHIELD.

Early buzz on this is that it's a pretty strong opening that looks to capture the fucked up dark comic vibe of the comic. The story involves something about angels and devils and fucked up shit.

This here is a place to talk about it. With any luck, the series will be better than this half assed stab at a thread.

Edit: Spoiler rules! Obviously, tag any spoilers for recent episodes, though stuff that happened several weeks ago is fair game. Anything that contains spoilers from the comics should be CLEARLY LABELED as being comic spoilers, so people don't accidentally discover major secrets that haven't aired yet, or whatever. Thank you!

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    I am excited for this. I'll probably wait a couple episodes but the series has a lot of potential.

  • Medium DaveMedium Dave Registered User regular
    Preacher kinda feels like a weird live version of a song you know where they make it way longer and add like parts of three other songs into it.

    It's certainly a different take. I think I like it??? Jesse is really deprickified from the comic.

  • lunchbox12682lunchbox12682 MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    So after Lucifer, I am extremely pessimistic, but it is AMC vs Fox.
    I hope it works out though.

  • DiplominatorDiplominator Hardcore Porg Registered User regular
    edited May 2016
    Once I got over how not the comic Lucifer was, I actually kinda liked it. Optimistic about this show as well.

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  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    What I've read about this one makes it sound interesting, but then I thought the same about the comic, and while I read most of that one I found that for every idea, character or scene that I liked there were another four that annoyed me. It's the comic that more or less healed me of my tendency to keep buying issues even after I'd grown to dislike a series because, after all, I'd already put so much time and money into the previous instalments: I bought nine out of ten TPBs and then decided that I didn't really care enough to buy the last one, instead reading up on Wikipedia what happens. It's a shame, because there are definitely some very cool ideas in Preacher, and I've greatly enjoyed certain other comics that came out at the same time that were similarly punk, in-your-face and not a little adolescent in terms of tone.

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  • HandgimpHandgimp R+L=J Family PhotoRegistered User regular
    I really liked it.

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  • Crippl3Crippl3 oh noRegistered User regular
    Fuck, I totally forgot this was on. I hope they put it up on-demand.

  • abotkinabotkin Registered User regular
    Once I got over how not the comic Lucifer was, I actually kinda liked it. Optimistic about this show as well.

    Having never read any of the comic, I thoroughly enjoyed Lucifer and am looking forward to it coming back next season. Similarly, I've never read any of Preacher, but what I've seen look interesting, so I'll give it a shot.

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  • Grunt's GhostsGrunt's Ghosts Registered User regular
    I'm forcing myself to watch FTWD before I watch Preacher since DVR decided to show me the ending of that show when I tried to start Preacher.

    I read the comics years ago and loved it. I know the TV show can't go into some places the comics did, but I'm excited for it.

  • Thor1590Thor1590 Registered User regular
    Something that confused me about the comic:
    Why in the fuck was there a vampire? There weren't any other run-of-the-mill horror spooks and spectres, just one drug-addict vampire and I guess technically the vampire that made him. It's been a long time since I've read the series, that just stuck out at me at the time.

    For the most part I agree with Thirth - there were some parts I really liked but for every one of those there were 4 things that rubbed me completely the wrong way. Like that PC rant, ugh.

    Anyways, I'm cautiously optimistic.

  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    I dunno if it needed a justification beyond Cassidy being an interesting character.

  • Thor1590Thor1590 Registered User regular
    It just felt out of place to me, is all.

  • Grunt's GhostsGrunt's Ghosts Registered User regular
    So watching this right now...
    I thought it was funny, if outdated, when they said Tom Cruise died.

  • Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    Thor1590 wrote: »
    Something that confused me about the comic:
    Why in the fuck was there a vampire? There weren't any other run-of-the-mill horror spooks and spectres, just one drug-addict vampire and I guess technically the vampire that made him. It's been a long time since I've read the series, that just stuck out at me at the time.

    For the most part I agree with Thirth - there were some parts I really liked but for every one of those there were 4 things that rubbed me completely the wrong way. Like that PC rant, ugh.

    Anyways, I'm cautiously optimistic.

    Probable because Ennis
    didn't get his vampire kick on Hellblazer out of his system yet.

    More seriously, I think Ennis originally planned for more supernatural elements in the series, but then decided to take things in a different direction (notice all the stories where Jesse forgets that he even has the Word.) He's on record at least that he regrets having Cassidy survive the Saint.

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Dizzy D wrote: »
    Thor1590 wrote: »
    Something that confused me about the comic:
    Why in the fuck was there a vampire? There weren't any other run-of-the-mill horror spooks and spectres, just one drug-addict vampire and I guess technically the vampire that made him. It's been a long time since I've read the series, that just stuck out at me at the time.

    For the most part I agree with Thirth - there were some parts I really liked but for every one of those there were 4 things that rubbed me completely the wrong way. Like that PC rant, ugh.

    Anyways, I'm cautiously optimistic.

    Probable because Ennis
    didn't get his vampire kick on Hellblazer out of his system yet.

    More seriously, I think Ennis originally planned for more supernatural elements in the series, but then decided to take things in a different direction (notice all the stories where Jesse forgets that he even has the Word.) He's on record at least that he regrets having Cassidy survive the Saint.
    The series kind of got caught in an era when Vertigo maxi-series were expected to last a certain number of issues. There's a ton of padding in the last third, where things crawl to a halt waiting for the issue numbers to catch the ending arc.

  • Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    True,

    dear 90s Vertigo editors: just because Sandman had around 75 issues doesn't mean that every title needs to be that long.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    I liked it. I can't say if it's a must see every week for me though. It seemed to drag just a bit and i'm guessing that's just pilot issues. I barely remember the few issues of the comic that I read so that could either be hurting my enjoyment or making it more palatable.

    Also seconding Lucifer the TV show being a good show. It's not the comics but it's fun in it's own right.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I just hope they cut about 3/4's of the sexual violence/deviance from the comic, because holy fuck did everyone in the comic have a lot of issues with sexual things.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Dizzy D wrote: »
    Thor1590 wrote: »
    Something that confused me about the comic:
    Why in the fuck was there a vampire? There weren't any other run-of-the-mill horror spooks and spectres, just one drug-addict vampire and I guess technically the vampire that made him. It's been a long time since I've read the series, that just stuck out at me at the time.

    For the most part I agree with Thirth - there were some parts I really liked but for every one of those there were 4 things that rubbed me completely the wrong way. Like that PC rant, ugh.

    Anyways, I'm cautiously optimistic.

    Probable because Ennis
    didn't get his vampire kick on Hellblazer out of his system yet.

    More seriously, I think Ennis originally planned for more supernatural elements in the series, but then decided to take things in a different direction (notice all the stories where Jesse forgets that he even has the Word.) He's on record at least that he regrets having Cassidy survive the Saint.
    I liked that there's no real explanation for the very few vampires we see. They just happen to exist, they're rare, and explains some of the things Cassidy can and can't do. It's a nice change of pace from the duper detailed lore vampires usually have.

  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    Preacher are you preacher because of this preacher

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  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    I seriously thought that somehow Preacher had gotten his own thread and was excited to see what was happening in here.

    I'm pretty dissappointed

  • Giggles_FunsworthGiggles_Funsworth Blight on Discourse Bay Area SprawlRegistered User regular
    Dizzy D wrote: »
    True,

    dear 90s Vertigo editors: just because Sandman had around 75 issues doesn't mean that every title needs to be that long.

    OTOH I would have kept reading Fables forever. :(

  • Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    edited May 2016
    Not a big fan of Fables (mostly due to an inablity of seperating the writer from the work, which is my problem I admit), but even there I felt it ran out of steam halfway through (and that crossover with Unwritten was unnecessary for both titles).

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Fables was good when it was about fantasy refugees in New York worrying about The Adversary. It was tripe whenever the story touched on politics, sexual relations or what happened after the central conflict was resolved.

  • LibrarianLibrarian The face of liberal fascism Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I just hope they cut about 3/4's of the sexual violence/deviance from the comic, because holy fuck did everyone in the comic have a lot of issues with sexual things.

    I also really hope they cut all that macho "how to be a man" bullshit and Garth Ennis' obligatory racism where all Germans are nazis and/or perverts. Preacher is a prime example of a comic I loved when it began(even collected the individual issues) and hated when it ended. Because there is some really dumb shit happening in the second half.
    Killing the guys who made meat out of horses for example, because the horse is such a noble creature and embodies everything Murrica stands for, so it's alright to kill these people...

    ..let's just say, I think Garth Ennis is a huge tool.

    First episode was alright, but I am not that happy with the casting. I am trying to keep it seperate from the comic, but so far:

    Jessi feels like a toughguy version of Simon Pegg
    Cassidy is too hyper for my taste
    Tulip is also way too over the top
    I am not that happy that everything seems to happen in the town and that it's not going to be a "road movie" like the comics. Maybe they will switch that around if they make it to season 2.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I liked the casting...

    But yeah I think what will make the show strong is by leaving out a lot of the Ennis special touch. There already are obvious changes from the comics like with assface, so hopefully they decided to keep the core story while getting rid of the more gross shock for shock factor, elements.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I liked the casting...

    But yeah I think what will make the show strong is by leaving out a lot of the Ennis special touch. There already are obvious changes from the comics like with assface, so hopefully they decided to keep the core story while getting rid of the more gross shock for shock factor, elements.

    I hope they keep the shocking stuff, but use it more for punctuation like this episode did. The trouble with Preacher The Comic is that it is so constantly over-the-top that the shocking becomes normal and routine by the latter half.

  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Librarian wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    I just hope they cut about 3/4's of the sexual violence/deviance from the comic, because holy fuck did everyone in the comic have a lot of issues with sexual things.

    I also really hope they cut all that macho "how to be a man" bullshit and Garth Ennis' obligatory racism where all Germans are nazis and/or perverts. Preacher is a prime example of a comic I loved when it began(even collected the individual issues) and hated when it ended. Because there is some really dumb shit happening in the second half.
    Killing the guys who made meat out of horses for example, because the horse is such a noble creature and embodies everything Murrica stands for, so it's alright to kill these people...

    ..let's just say, I think Garth Ennis is a huge tool.

    First episode was alright, but I am not that happy with the casting. I am trying to keep it seperate from the comic, but so far:

    Jessi feels like a toughguy version of Simon Pegg
    Cassidy is too hyper for my taste
    Tulip is also way too over the top
    I am not that happy that everything seems to happen in the town and that it's not going to be a "road movie" like the comics. Maybe they will switch that around if they make it to season 2.

    I was never 100 percent sure whether Ennis was upholding Custer as the embodiment of male virtue or offering him as a criticism of machismo. On reread, I think Ennis wasn't sure either, as the trait veers from self-destructive to "Hell yeah! Fuck Communism!" throughout the narrative.

    For comic fans, it's worth noting that Jesse uses a standard Bic lighter. That's a small but telling change.

  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    Librarian wrote: »
    Killing the guys who made meat out of horses for example, because the horse is such a noble creature and embodies everything Murrica stands for, so it's alright to kill these people...
    I think that's where the comic lost me. I still went on with it for a while, but basically it very much turned me against Preacher.

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  • Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    Librarian wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    I just hope they cut about 3/4's of the sexual violence/deviance from the comic, because holy fuck did everyone in the comic have a lot of issues with sexual things.

    I also really hope they cut all that macho "how to be a man" bullshit and Garth Ennis' obligatory racism where all Germans are nazis and/or perverts. Preacher is a prime example of a comic I loved when it began(even collected the individual issues) and hated when it ended. Because there is some really dumb shit happening in the second half.
    Killing the guys who made meat out of horses for example, because the horse is such a noble creature and embodies everything Murrica stands for, so it's alright to kill these people...

    ..let's just say, I think Garth Ennis is a huge tool.

    First episode was alright, but I am not that happy with the casting. I am trying to keep it seperate from the comic, but so far:

    Jessi feels like a toughguy version of Simon Pegg
    Cassidy is too hyper for my taste
    Tulip is also way too over the top
    I am not that happy that everything seems to happen in the town and that it's not going to be a "road movie" like the comics. Maybe they will switch that around if they make it to season 2.

    I was never 100 percent sure whether Ennis was upholding Custer as the embodiment of male virtue or offering him as a criticism of machismo. On reread, I think Ennis wasn't sure either, as the trait veers from self-destructive to "Hell yeah! Fuck Communism!" throughout the narrative.

    For comic fans, it's worth noting that Jesse uses a standard Bic lighter. That's a small but telling change.

    I made it to the end, but I'd have liked it far more if the end would have been (END SPOILER FOR THE COMIC)
    Tulip leaving Jesse behind; he had betrayed her three times by then, including after promising her that he wouldn't do it again. Tulip was calling both Cassidy and Jesse out several times for their behaviour, though in case of Jesse, she at least realised how much of his behaviour was due to his upbringing and saw the potential for change in him.

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    I feel like Comic!Preacher's story lost all momentum after Arizona, and it kinda limps to its conclusion

    Also yeah, full of implications about unorthodox sexual preferences

  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    I feel like Comic!Preacher's story lost all momentum after Arizona, and it kinda limps to its conclusion

    Also yeah, full of implications about unorthodox sexual preferences

    There are large sections of The Boys (his other big serialized work) that can be read as apologias for his earlier homophobia. I can't find any direct references with a casual Google, but I have read in several places over the years that he is deeply embarrassed about some of the attitudes he had as a younger writer with regards to sexuality.

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Okay so, first episode:

    - Overlong.
    - Tulip is kinda annoying and doesn't seem to have a purpose at this point.
    - Jesse is not a really engaging character so far.
    - Everything so far feels loose and ill-defined, especially for an extra-long pilot. I don't know why anyone is doing anything.
    - Cassidy is the only interesting character so far.

  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Okay so, first episode:

    - Overlong.
    - Tulip is kinda annoying and doesn't seem to have a purpose at this point.
    - Jesse is not a really engaging character so far.
    - Everything so far feels loose and ill-defined, especially for an extra-long pilot. I don't know why anyone is doing anything.
    - Cassidy is the only interesting character so far.

    I'm ok with the looseness. The story branches out a lot and seeing the characters just doing their thing is not going to last long.

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  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    Any fans of the comic Preacher should read The Boys. Anybody who dislikes Preacher because of Ennis's politics should stick with The Boys until it rightly reveals itself as a strong, well-told argument against the kinds of thing it begins by appearing to be. It's legitimately a great comic, one of the few superhero deconstructions that has absolutely no preciousness about the genre, and belongs near the top of the list of really excellent narratives that reckoned with the political and moral ramifications of the post-9/11 decade. Also it's pretty funny you guys.

    Haven't caught this pilot yet but I'm definitely interested in it, even if I think Preacher is probably Ennis' weakest work.

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    Any fans of the comic Preacher should read The Boys. Anybody who dislikes Preacher because of Ennis's politics should stick with The Boys until it rightly reveals itself as a strong, well-told argument against the kinds of thing it begins by appearing to be. It's legitimately a great comic, one of the few superhero deconstructions that has absolutely no preciousness about the genre, and belongs near the top of the list of really excellent narratives that reckoned with the political and moral ramifications of the post-9/11 decade. Also it's pretty funny you guys.

    Haven't caught this pilot yet but I'm definitely interested in it, even if I think Preacher is probably Ennis' weakest work.

    I give Ennis some leeway because a) he was a poor Irish Catholic lad who never had his prejudices challenged before he became famous b) he responded to those challenges with self-reflection and shame and has tried to make up for it in later work.

    He's still a frustrating writer. He veers from greatness to juvenile schlock - sometimes in the same book. But I do think he has honestly grappled with the homophobia and unease with kink that peppers Preacher.

  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    I enjoyed the pilot. My wife was more dubious. It feels like they had a whole lot of backdrop they wanted to convey, several characters to introduce, and several expectations to break/set in a really limited timeframe. I liked it, but I'm hopeful they were laying ground work they're really going to build on.

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  • Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    Any fans of the comic Preacher should read The Boys. Anybody who dislikes Preacher because of Ennis's politics should stick with The Boys until it rightly reveals itself as a strong, well-told argument against the kinds of thing it begins by appearing to be. It's legitimately a great comic, one of the few superhero deconstructions that has absolutely no preciousness about the genre, and belongs near the top of the list of really excellent narratives that reckoned with the political and moral ramifications of the post-9/11 decade. Also it's pretty funny you guys.

    Haven't caught this pilot yet but I'm definitely interested in it, even if I think Preacher is probably Ennis' weakest work.

    Damn I gave up on the Boys a few issues in, because it felt Ennis retreating common ground and not very well.

    I guess I'm checking out last week's Humble Bundle then.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    D'oh. Looking in slingbox last night I thought the second episode was out. Apparently it's just a teaser. Crud, I'd been looking forward to that all day.

    What is this I don't even.
  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Dizzy D wrote: »
    Astaereth wrote: »
    Any fans of the comic Preacher should read The Boys. Anybody who dislikes Preacher because of Ennis's politics should stick with The Boys until it rightly reveals itself as a strong, well-told argument against the kinds of thing it begins by appearing to be. It's legitimately a great comic, one of the few superhero deconstructions that has absolutely no preciousness about the genre, and belongs near the top of the list of really excellent narratives that reckoned with the political and moral ramifications of the post-9/11 decade. Also it's pretty funny you guys.

    Haven't caught this pilot yet but I'm definitely interested in it, even if I think Preacher is probably Ennis' weakest work.

    Damn I gave up on the Boys a few issues in, because it felt Ennis retreating common ground and not very well.

    I guess I'm checking out last week's Humble Bundle then.

    The Boys does a great swerve when it reveals that the black and white conflict set up in the earlier issues is anything but.

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