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[Preacher]? I hardly know her! (Spoiler rules in OP)
ElJeffe
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Tonight on AMC begins a new show called Preacher. It is based on a comic series of the same name. It stars Young Howard Stark from Agent Carter and Precog the Hedgehog from Agents of SHIELD.
Early buzz on this is that it's a pretty strong opening that looks to capture the fucked up dark comic vibe of the comic. The story involves something about angels and devils and fucked up shit.
This here is a place to talk about it. With any luck, the series will be better than this half assed stab at a thread.
Edit: Spoiler rules! Obviously, tag any spoilers for recent episodes, though stuff that happened several weeks ago is fair game. Anything that contains spoilers from the comics should be CLEARLY LABELED as being comic spoilers, so people don't accidentally discover major secrets that haven't aired yet, or whatever. Thank you!
Early buzz on this is that it's a pretty strong opening that looks to capture the fucked up dark comic vibe of the comic. The story involves something about angels and devils and fucked up shit.
This here is a place to talk about it. With any luck, the series will be better than this half assed stab at a thread.
Edit: Spoiler rules! Obviously, tag any spoilers for recent episodes, though stuff that happened several weeks ago is fair game. Anything that contains spoilers from the comics should be CLEARLY LABELED as being comic spoilers, so people don't accidentally discover major secrets that haven't aired yet, or whatever. Thank you!
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It's certainly a different take. I think I like it??? Jesse is really deprickified from the comic.
I hope it works out though.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
Having never read any of the comic, I thoroughly enjoyed Lucifer and am looking forward to it coming back next season. Similarly, I've never read any of Preacher, but what I've seen look interesting, so I'll give it a shot.
I read the comics years ago and loved it. I know the TV show can't go into some places the comics did, but I'm excited for it.
For the most part I agree with Thirth - there were some parts I really liked but for every one of those there were 4 things that rubbed me completely the wrong way. Like that PC rant, ugh.
Anyways, I'm cautiously optimistic.
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Probable because Ennis
More seriously, I think Ennis originally planned for more supernatural elements in the series, but then decided to take things in a different direction (notice all the stories where Jesse forgets that he even has the Word.) He's on record at least that he regrets having Cassidy survive the Saint.
dear 90s Vertigo editors: just because Sandman had around 75 issues doesn't mean that every title needs to be that long.
Also seconding Lucifer the TV show being a good show. It's not the comics but it's fun in it's own right.
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I'm pretty dissappointed
OTOH I would have kept reading Fables forever.
I also really hope they cut all that macho "how to be a man" bullshit and Garth Ennis' obligatory racism where all Germans are nazis and/or perverts. Preacher is a prime example of a comic I loved when it began(even collected the individual issues) and hated when it ended. Because there is some really dumb shit happening in the second half.
Killing the guys who made meat out of horses for example, because the horse is such a noble creature and embodies everything Murrica stands for, so it's alright to kill these people...
..let's just say, I think Garth Ennis is a huge tool.
First episode was alright, but I am not that happy with the casting. I am trying to keep it seperate from the comic, but so far:
Jessi feels like a toughguy version of Simon Pegg
Cassidy is too hyper for my taste
Tulip is also way too over the top
I am not that happy that everything seems to happen in the town and that it's not going to be a "road movie" like the comics. Maybe they will switch that around if they make it to season 2.
But yeah I think what will make the show strong is by leaving out a lot of the Ennis special touch. There already are obvious changes from the comics like with assface, so hopefully they decided to keep the core story while getting rid of the more gross shock for shock factor, elements.
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I hope they keep the shocking stuff, but use it more for punctuation like this episode did. The trouble with Preacher The Comic is that it is so constantly over-the-top that the shocking becomes normal and routine by the latter half.
I was never 100 percent sure whether Ennis was upholding Custer as the embodiment of male virtue or offering him as a criticism of machismo. On reread, I think Ennis wasn't sure either, as the trait veers from self-destructive to "Hell yeah! Fuck Communism!" throughout the narrative.
For comic fans, it's worth noting that Jesse uses a standard Bic lighter. That's a small but telling change.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
I made it to the end, but I'd have liked it far more if the end would have been (END SPOILER FOR THE COMIC)
Also yeah, full of implications about unorthodox sexual preferences
There are large sections of The Boys (his other big serialized work) that can be read as apologias for his earlier homophobia. I can't find any direct references with a casual Google, but I have read in several places over the years that he is deeply embarrassed about some of the attitudes he had as a younger writer with regards to sexuality.
- Overlong.
- Tulip is kinda annoying and doesn't seem to have a purpose at this point.
- Jesse is not a really engaging character so far.
- Everything so far feels loose and ill-defined, especially for an extra-long pilot. I don't know why anyone is doing anything.
- Cassidy is the only interesting character so far.
I'm ok with the looseness. The story branches out a lot and seeing the characters just doing their thing is not going to last long.
Haven't caught this pilot yet but I'm definitely interested in it, even if I think Preacher is probably Ennis' weakest work.
I give Ennis some leeway because a) he was a poor Irish Catholic lad who never had his prejudices challenged before he became famous b) he responded to those challenges with self-reflection and shame and has tried to make up for it in later work.
He's still a frustrating writer. He veers from greatness to juvenile schlock - sometimes in the same book. But I do think he has honestly grappled with the homophobia and unease with kink that peppers Preacher.
Damn I gave up on the Boys a few issues in, because it felt Ennis retreating common ground and not very well.
I guess I'm checking out last week's Humble Bundle then.
The Boys does a great swerve when it reveals that the black and white conflict set up in the earlier issues is anything but.