That was a pretty legit reason for those guys to quit though.
Most of them volunteered and had to deal with huge corruption and obstacles to them doing their job
Yes, absolutely. I commend them for having spines and standing up to corruption instead of capitulating like so many police across the country do.
That department's story is almost completely separate from the problem of police corruption and more how rampant corruption is in small municipalities where there isn't enough of a local media presence to scrutinize the government.
If you aim low enough in your evil, often no-one will notice, and that seems to hold out well in small boroughs.
That department's story is almost completely separate from the problem of police corruption and more how rampant corruption is in small municipalities where there isn't enough of a local media presence to scrutinize the government.
If you aim low enough in your evil, often no-one will notice, and that seems to hold out well in small boroughs.
I would suggest that towns like that encourage police corruption by tempting officers with the extra income tickets would bring in.
Jordan V. New London from the way back machine says Police Department's are within their rights to not hire someone based on them being too intelligent.
Jordan V. New London from the way back machine says Police Department's are within their rights to not hire someone based on them being too intelligent.
Wouldn't accidentally want smart police officers.
Isn't it more that you don't want to hire people who will leave for a better job quickly?
Jordan V. New London from the way back machine says Police Department's are within their rights to not hire someone based on them being too intelligent.
Wouldn't accidentally want smart police officers.
Isn't it more that you don't want to hire people who will leave for a better job quickly?
The people who are too good in their field are the ones most likely to find/get scouted for a better paying job, often leaving behind people who aren't good enough to escape but have been promoted to a high level through a combination of seniority, cronyism, and bribery (aka "failing upwards").
Jordan V. New London from the way back machine says Police Department's are within their rights to not hire someone based on them being too intelligent.
Wouldn't accidentally want smart police officers.
Isn't it more that you don't want to hire people who will leave for a better job quickly?
Pay and benefits help.
Not enough.
This whole "we want stupider cops" thing is rather silly since being overqualified is a thing in most fields that don't require alot of education to get in to. Nobody wants to hire overqualified people because overqualified people leave to get better jobs as soon as they can.
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4 black Chicagoans (3 eighteen year-olds, 1 twenty-four year-old) have been arrested for livestreaming themselves torturing a mentally-challenged white teenager they had kidnapped while screaming about hating white people and Trump.
Chicago police confirmed they are investigating a second video, which surfaced on Twitter, and appears to show the suspects grabbing the victim’s head, shoving it into a toilet, and forcing him to drink.
Someone can be heard yelling “Drink that s*** right f***ing now. … Drink the toilet water, b****! Say f*** Trump! Say f*** Trump!”
Oddly enough the police originally attributed it to juvenile maliciousness and not as a hate crime, but it looks like they're "reconsidering" in the face of widespread public backlash. If you flipped the script and set it in say, Birmingham, it's pretty clear that 4 white people torturing a mentally-handicapped black teen while yelling about how much they hate black people/Obama would hands-down be a hate crime. Glad to see the police are changing their minds- hate's hate, no matter what the color.
Although there is nothing linking these monsters to BLM the hashtag #BLMkidnapping is lighting up social media. Nothing good can come of that.
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One need only compare the number of upvotes and the tone of conversation in Reddit threads on this event with those relating to the gang-rape of a disabled black boy with a coathanger this October (for which nobody served jail time) to see that for a huge number of people, this is exactly what they've been waiting for. They hope this will be their Reichstag Fire, or they're not self-aware enough to see that this sort of thing has been happening to black people for literal centuries and been dismissed as "lone whackos".
For them, this is obviously and incontrovertibly a hate crime and the fault of BLM and all black people.
A few initial thoughts about that horrific situation in Chicago in which four people kidnapped and tortured a white man with disabilities and filmed it.
1. Ableism is alive and well. We always feel it’s okay to harm disabled people. I feel terrible for that man. Yo, what they did to that poor man is fucked up. Almost as fucked up as that football team that gang raped that black disabled boy with a hanger and the ring leader plead guilty to a lesser charge and so will get off without serving any time.
2. White supremacists have been trying to tie this brutal attack to the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement as a means to label BLM a terrorist organization and convince the world that BLM means danger for white people because it radicalizes black people. What those white people, and any other, need to know is that BLM doesn’t radicalize black people; white supremacy does. How long did you think black people would remain docile under a system built on our dehumanization? How long did you think you could show those videos of unarmed black people — black children — being murdered on camera by police, and police getting off scot-free, before those videos cause an effect? As long as white supremacy exists, and as long as you pretend that it doesn’t in order to keep it intact, you are in danger. If you think the way to eliminate that danger is to destroy black people, you’re wrong; 500 years of trying (and failing) to destroy us should have already made that crystal clear to you. The *only* way to eliminate the danger is to eliminate white supremacy. Period. Point blank.
3. White supremacists are very upset that the black police chief investigating the crime is referring to the kidnappers/torturers as “kids who made mistakes/bad judgment.” But isn’t that police chief just using the exact same language that law enforcement and courts use when describing white youth who commit heinous crimes?
4. Because we live in a white supremacist society, we can all be assured that these people who kidnapped that white disabled man will pay for what they did in a way that white offenders in identical situations likely don’t/won’t. That is, after all, the entire point of white supremacy: to make even poor white folks think they have something over black people (See point #1).
5. Isn’t this kidnapping/torture situation just a complete nightmare? Can you imagine the pain that man must have endured? Devastating, right? Now multiply that by 500 years, hundreds of millions of people, laws and mores that co-sign it, and everyone and their father denying it all, and you *might* have some small inkling of what black people have endured on the daily in this country, in the face of denials, dodges, excuses, disregard, and gaslighting from white supremacists.
6. Some people think this whole situation was staged as a part of some conspiracy to discredit black liberation movements. I don’t have any evidence of that other than the situation does seem to line up almost perfectly, in terms of language and stereotype, with other hoaxes where white people blamed something on black people. Nevertheless, I believe that the way to end violence is to end violence. And white supremacist patriarchy — and people’s desire to wield it — is the source of all violence in this country, maybe even in the world. End that and all violence will end.
7. I refuse to be like white supremacists who find glee and orgasm in a black person’s pain or can’t, themselves, empathize with black people simply because they’re black. Unlike them, I’m an actual human being. So:
May the victim in this situation find healing and peace.
Glad to see the police are changing their minds- hate's hate, no matter what the color.
This has always been the case. White people have been counted amongst the victims of hate crimes for years if not decades.
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Under state law, a hate crime is defined by motivation. If there was some other reason for this attack, and the racial element was incidental, a hate crime charge wouldn't stick.
Police departments have been woefully understaffed for an incredibly long time, it makes sense that the requirements are lax, they're mostly concerned with getting people in the door.
Also technical requirements don't always line up with the de facto requirements to actually get hired in highly competitive departments. I've known a couple departments that theoretically required nothing more than a high school diploma, but every single officer they hired had at least a two year degree.
any idea what it is that causes these police forces to be competitive, and others to not? or if competitive forces have better outcomes?
like can we take steps to encourage more competition or is it fairly strictly tied to them being desirable places to live with minimal crime and the tax dollars for good salaries?
Anecdotally from the police officers I've heard speak to this, it's entirely the bolded. The goal of the officers in most major metro areas is to put their time in in the city and get the experience needed (where there are more openings and thus it's easier to get hired), and then bounce out to one of the lower crime suburbs.
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One need only compare the number of upvotes and the tone of conversation in Reddit threads on this event with those relating to the gang-rape of a disabled black boy with a coathanger this October (for which nobody served jail time) to see that for a huge number of people, this is exactly what they've been waiting for.
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Glad to see the police are changing their minds- hate's hate, no matter what the color.
This has always been the case. White people have been counted amongst the victims of hate crimes for years if not decades.
In significant numbers, even. Looks like over 600 anti-white incidents reported by locals to the feds in 2015, compared to 1,700 anti-black and 300 anti-Latino (among reported incidents, which are obviously incomplete). I don't know what those numbers should be given actual incident rates, but clearly hate crime charges for crimes against whites aren't unheard of. I do, however, whether any of those 600 are specifically anti-white, or merely have white victims (LGBT for instance), and also whether in some of those cases the use of hate crime charges was inappropriate and used merely to escalate charges against minorities when the victims were white.
I'm struggling to see how this incident isn't pretty obviously a hate crime though.
Glad to see the police are changing their minds- hate's hate, no matter what the color.
This has always been the case. White people have been counted amongst the victims of hate crimes for years if not decades.
In significant numbers, even. Looks like over 600 anti-white incidents reported by locals to the feds in 2015, compared to 1,700 anti-black and 300 anti-Latino (among reported incidents, which are obviously incomplete). I don't know what those numbers should be given actual incident rates, but clearly hate crime charges for crimes against whites aren't unheard of. I do, however, whether any of those 600 are specifically anti-white, or merely have white victims (LGBT for instance), and also whether in some of those cases the use of hate crime charges was inappropriate and used merely to escalate charges against minorities when the victims were white.
I'm struggling to see how this incident isn't pretty obviously a hate crime though.
It's definitely a hate crime. And the perpetrators were immediately arrested and will be punished to the fullest extent of the law. They won't be shielded, they won't get a slap on the wrist, no one will wonder if it wasn't justified, and they won't receive a lesser sentence because of their contributions to college athletics. And if that's how it always happened, regardless of which race was on which side, the system would be working ok
..but Baltimore has a Black Mayor, Police Chief, Attorney General, Congressmen, etc. What's going on?
Systemic racism is systemic, not personal. Institutions have power.
For a semi-fictional but based on real stories version, in The Wire Lt. Daniels (played by Lance Reddick, a black man) totally backs a white police officer who blinds a black kid in one eye for no reason and makes sure he gets away with it.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
TL;DR: Contrary to popular opinion, you can actually be racist against your own race. (Just like you can be sexist against your own sex, which seems a fair bit more obvious and intuitive to people.)
When people say, "But I'm <X> so I can say these things about <X>," half the time it's sarcastic and half the time it's what's being parodied.
Glad to see the police are changing their minds- hate's hate, no matter what the color.
This has always been the case. White people have been counted amongst the victims of hate crimes for years if not decades.
In significant numbers, even. Looks like over 600 anti-white incidents reported by locals to the feds in 2015, compared to 1,700 anti-black and 300 anti-Latino (among reported incidents, which are obviously incomplete). I don't know what those numbers should be given actual incident rates, but clearly hate crime charges for crimes against whites aren't unheard of. I do, however, whether any of those 600 are specifically anti-white, or merely have white victims (LGBT for instance), and also whether in some of those cases the use of hate crime charges was inappropriate and used merely to escalate charges against minorities when the victims were white.
I'm struggling to see how this incident isn't pretty obviously a hate crime though.
It's definitely a hate crime. And the perpetrators were immediately arrested and will be punished to the fullest extent of the law. They won't be shielded, they won't get a slap on the wrist, no one will wonder if it wasn't justified, and they won't receive a lesser sentence because of their contributions to college athletics. And if that's how it always happened, regardless of which race was on which side, the system would be working ok
It was originally not being treated as a hate crime.
Agreed on the rest.
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Frome what I hear from buddies, it's pretty competitive to become a cop. Sure you don't officially need a degree or military experience but when there are 300 applications for 2-3 spots, you better have both.
A few of my friends in the guard are cops and I have friends in the guard with criminal whatever degrees and obviously military experience trying to be cops.
Frome what I hear from buddies, it's pretty competitive to become a cop. Sure you don't officially need a degree or military experience but when there are 300 applications for 2-3 spots, you better have both.
A few of my friends in the guard are cops and I have friends in the guard with criminal whatever degrees and obviously military experience trying to be cops.
It largely depends on the city/county/whatnot that you're in. Some places right now are well-staffed and can be very choosy, other places will take you as long as you don't have a swastika tattooed on your forehead.
Frome what I hear from buddies, it's pretty competitive to become a cop. Sure you don't officially need a degree or military experience but when there are 300 applications for 2-3 spots, you better have both.
A few of my friends in the guard are cops and I have friends in the guard with criminal whatever degrees and obviously military experience trying to be cops.
It largely depends on the city/county/whatnot that you're in. Some places right now are well-staffed and can be very choosy, other places will take you as long as you don't have a swastika tattooed on your forehead.
I wouldn't be surprised if all the protests and police shootings has had some effect as well the last couple years. I'm sure it's just like teaching where high SES areas pay the best and get the best. Are the shortage areas primarily in minority majority areas and rural?
It would be sad if the BLM movement led to nothing more than less qualified officers or police shortages in black majority areas.
Frome what I hear from buddies, it's pretty competitive to become a cop. Sure you don't officially need a degree or military experience but when there are 300 applications for 2-3 spots, you better have both.
A few of my friends in the guard are cops and I have friends in the guard with criminal whatever degrees and obviously military experience trying to be cops.
It depends on the locale and the agency. Some are very competitive, especially in nicer agencies with higher starting pay in lower crime cities. Higher crime and lower pay agencies are almost always hiring. Many LEOs also start off in their local agency's corrections program.
My home city has 3x the national violent crime rate, 5x property crime rate, and a shitty police department with it's fair share of scandals, and they are regularly hiring. Melbourne, on the other hand, is a larger city with more crimes but half or less crime rate and a larger agency which is always flooded with applications (IIRC starting pay is also higher).
Frome what I hear from buddies, it's pretty competitive to become a cop. Sure you don't officially need a degree or military experience but when there are 300 applications for 2-3 spots, you better have both.
A few of my friends in the guard are cops and I have friends in the guard with criminal whatever degrees and obviously military experience trying to be cops.
In my cities police force, prior military or police training is a negative, while prior police experience is just about an automatic disqualification. They train you on how they want you to perform the job and absolutely do not want any prior experiences to cloud your judgement when on the job. I've tried to get on the force, and still want to, but 30-some years of a sedentary lifestyle and a new wife that couldn't handle that kind of stress put that idea on the back burner. QuickEdit: They get about 800-1000 applications for 20-25 positions every year.
And it is unknown whether or not the victim was a Trump supporter.
The victim was mentally handicapped. I doubt he can even comprehend politics.
This is a large assumption to be making.
Yeah. As a person that suffers from ADD I'm technically mentally handicapped, and I'd bet many people around here would vouch for how well I can comprehend politics.
Heard about this last night from the wife. I have reached a new level of disgust with the world. These women are going to have so much more blood on their hands besides that poor boy. They themselves are likely to wind up dead, either before they are tried or when they are sent to prison.
This is going to set back the cause of Civil Rights so goddamned much. I bet Trump could propose re-instating actual for real old timey slavery and he would get 10% support for it. I genuinely fear for the lives of my black friends and co-workers. There is going to be horrific retribution perpetuated on innocent blacks. Perpetuated by both police and non-police. Then there will be retribution for that. I 100% believe we are going to see race riots in America in the next 4 years. Maybe the worst there have ever been, certainly the worst in my lifetime.
Heard about this last night from the wife. I have reached a new level of disgust with the world. These women are going to have so much more blood on their hands besides that poor boy. They themselves are likely to wind up dead, either before they are tried or when they are sent to prison.
This is going to set back the cause of Civil Rights so goddamned much. I bet Trump could propose re-instating actual for real old timey slavery and he would get 10% support for it. I genuinely fear for the lives of my black friends and co-workers. There is going to be horrific retribution perpetuated on innocent blacks. Perpetuated by both police and non-police. Then there will be retribution for that. I 100% believe we are going to see race riots in America in the next 4 years. Maybe the worst there have ever been, certainly the worst in my lifetime.
Pre-Trump-win, this was going to be an issue anyway. BLM is very much the pot boiling over on the issue of black inequality, especially wrt the police. And it wasn't and isn't going to be the only way that happens.
Post-Trump-win I think it's just gonna be alot worse. America literally came out and said "Fuck black people, know your place" and the reaction to that is gonna make the whole situation way more volatile.
Like, this attack almost certainly has nothing to do with Trump. But Trump's win is the backdrop for the way they are choosing to express whatever anger they have that actually caused the attack. Trump has exacerbated the racial divide in america and made it ok for the massive amount of racists in the country to express their opinions openly and minorities, including blacks, are going to react to that in various ways.
The real disappointing this is that young people, black and white, carry out these sort of things all the time, like that one monster in South Carolina.
But this time it was public and had a political spin and suddenly people are up in arms.
The real disappointing this is that young people, black and white, carry out these sort of things all the time, like that one monster in South Carolina.
But this time it was public and had a political spin and suddenly people are up in arms.
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People were up in arms when South Carolina happened, too.
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If you aim low enough in your evil, often no-one will notice, and that seems to hold out well in small boroughs.
I would suggest that towns like that encourage police corruption by tempting officers with the extra income tickets would bring in.
We do not get a Ferguson scenario overnight.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Wouldn't accidentally want smart police officers.
Isn't it more that you don't want to hire people who will leave for a better job quickly?
Pay and benefits help.
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I think that was lawyers.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Not enough.
This whole "we want stupider cops" thing is rather silly since being overqualified is a thing in most fields that don't require alot of education to get in to. Nobody wants to hire overqualified people because overqualified people leave to get better jobs as soon as they can.
Oddly enough the police originally attributed it to juvenile maliciousness and not as a hate crime, but it looks like they're "reconsidering" in the face of widespread public backlash. If you flipped the script and set it in say, Birmingham, it's pretty clear that 4 white people torturing a mentally-handicapped black teen while yelling about how much they hate black people/Obama would hands-down be a hate crime. Glad to see the police are changing their minds- hate's hate, no matter what the color.
Although there is nothing linking these monsters to BLM the hashtag #BLMkidnapping is lighting up social media. Nothing good can come of that.
For them, this is obviously and incontrovertibly a hate crime and the fault of BLM and all black people.
https://medium.com/@SonofBaldwin/geese-and-ganders-dadb40e2c394#.wrefnypuy
This has always been the case. White people have been counted amongst the victims of hate crimes for years if not decades.
Anecdotally from the police officers I've heard speak to this, it's entirely the bolded. The goal of the officers in most major metro areas is to put their time in in the city and get the experience needed (where there are more openings and thus it's easier to get hired), and then bounce out to one of the lower crime suburbs.
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In significant numbers, even. Looks like over 600 anti-white incidents reported by locals to the feds in 2015, compared to 1,700 anti-black and 300 anti-Latino (among reported incidents, which are obviously incomplete). I don't know what those numbers should be given actual incident rates, but clearly hate crime charges for crimes against whites aren't unheard of. I do, however, whether any of those 600 are specifically anti-white, or merely have white victims (LGBT for instance), and also whether in some of those cases the use of hate crime charges was inappropriate and used merely to escalate charges against minorities when the victims were white.
I'm struggling to see how this incident isn't pretty obviously a hate crime though.
The irony of the racism in, "If one/some black people did something horrific, all black people are responsible."
It's definitely a hate crime. And the perpetrators were immediately arrested and will be punished to the fullest extent of the law. They won't be shielded, they won't get a slap on the wrist, no one will wonder if it wasn't justified, and they won't receive a lesser sentence because of their contributions to college athletics. And if that's how it always happened, regardless of which race was on which side, the system would be working ok
He's demanding justice for a disabled man.
The tweet he "quoted/responded to" (i do not use twitter)
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Blm didn't do it.
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http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-08-10/justice-department-finds-systemic-discrimination-by-baltimore-police
..but Baltimore has a Black Mayor, Police Chief, Attorney General, Congressmen, etc. What's going on?
Systemic racism is systemic, not personal. Institutions have power.
For a semi-fictional but based on real stories version, in The Wire Lt. Daniels (played by Lance Reddick, a black man) totally backs a white police officer who blinds a black kid in one eye for no reason and makes sure he gets away with it.
When people say, "But I'm <X> so I can say these things about <X>," half the time it's sarcastic and half the time it's what's being parodied.
Huh, missed that part.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
It was originally not being treated as a hate crime.
Agreed on the rest.
This is a large assumption to be making.
A few of my friends in the guard are cops and I have friends in the guard with criminal whatever degrees and obviously military experience trying to be cops.
It largely depends on the city/county/whatnot that you're in. Some places right now are well-staffed and can be very choosy, other places will take you as long as you don't have a swastika tattooed on your forehead.
I wouldn't be surprised if all the protests and police shootings has had some effect as well the last couple years. I'm sure it's just like teaching where high SES areas pay the best and get the best. Are the shortage areas primarily in minority majority areas and rural?
It would be sad if the BLM movement led to nothing more than less qualified officers or police shortages in black majority areas.
It depends on the locale and the agency. Some are very competitive, especially in nicer agencies with higher starting pay in lower crime cities. Higher crime and lower pay agencies are almost always hiring. Many LEOs also start off in their local agency's corrections program.
My home city has 3x the national violent crime rate, 5x property crime rate, and a shitty police department with it's fair share of scandals, and they are regularly hiring. Melbourne, on the other hand, is a larger city with more crimes but half or less crime rate and a larger agency which is always flooded with applications (IIRC starting pay is also higher).
In my cities police force, prior military or police training is a negative, while prior police experience is just about an automatic disqualification. They train you on how they want you to perform the job and absolutely do not want any prior experiences to cloud your judgement when on the job. I've tried to get on the force, and still want to, but 30-some years of a sedentary lifestyle and a new wife that couldn't handle that kind of stress put that idea on the back burner. QuickEdit: They get about 800-1000 applications for 20-25 positions every year.
Yeah. As a person that suffers from ADD I'm technically mentally handicapped, and I'd bet many people around here would vouch for how well I can comprehend politics.
This is going to set back the cause of Civil Rights so goddamned much. I bet Trump could propose re-instating actual for real old timey slavery and he would get 10% support for it. I genuinely fear for the lives of my black friends and co-workers. There is going to be horrific retribution perpetuated on innocent blacks. Perpetuated by both police and non-police. Then there will be retribution for that. I 100% believe we are going to see race riots in America in the next 4 years. Maybe the worst there have ever been, certainly the worst in my lifetime.
Pre-Trump-win, this was going to be an issue anyway. BLM is very much the pot boiling over on the issue of black inequality, especially wrt the police. And it wasn't and isn't going to be the only way that happens.
Post-Trump-win I think it's just gonna be alot worse. America literally came out and said "Fuck black people, know your place" and the reaction to that is gonna make the whole situation way more volatile.
Like, this attack almost certainly has nothing to do with Trump. But Trump's win is the backdrop for the way they are choosing to express whatever anger they have that actually caused the attack. Trump has exacerbated the racial divide in america and made it ok for the massive amount of racists in the country to express their opinions openly and minorities, including blacks, are going to react to that in various ways.
But this time it was public and had a political spin and suddenly people are up in arms.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
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People were up in arms when South Carolina happened, too.