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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    I like hemsworth but I dunno that he elevates everything he's in

    I watched Blackhat recently - I like hemsworth and I looove michael mann and that movie was fuckin snoresville

    you have almost no reason to care about anyone and the particular flavor of hemsworth's tough guy hacker is just silly

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Roaming the streets, waving his mod gun around.Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2016
    He and Theron are what made the first Snow White watchable. (It sure wasn't Kristen Stewart.) He was the best part of Ghostbusters and most of why the first Thor movie was as enjoyable as it was.

    I admittedly haven't seen Blackhat.

    It's not that he makes everything he's in good, it's more that he makes things better than they would have been with Generic Dreamy Guy. Dude's got charisma and presence, and pretty great comedic timing when he needs to.

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    He and Theron are what made the first Snow White watchable. (It sure wasn't Kristen Stewart.) He was the best part of Ghostbusters and most of why the first Thor movie was as enjoyable as it was.

    I admittedly haven't seen Blackhat.

    his part in snow white was pretty boring

    it could have really been almost any large good looking dude, but I guess I'm glad it was him? I dunno

    Theron did a real solid job for what it was

    I just wish one of these crazy high effects budget flicks had anything under the hood at all. Underworld had more going on with the story than snow white did. Yeck.


    He was definitely perfect casting for Thor and the whole fish out of water section was a lot of fun.

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  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    He's definitely better than some of those bland hunks they were pushing for a while (Sam Worthington, anyone?). Not my type - my heterosexual male heart is more swayed by some of the Northmen along the lines of Alexander Skarsgård, Mikael Persbrandt and Mads Mikkelsen - but he's got charm and a goofy sense of humour, which works well for Thor.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    I don't know whether to hate myself or not that my brain did not even need to process "Thor on a Boat" or "Thor with an Axe 1 and 2" I just knew what movies you meant.

    Is this the Texikenification of language?

    Have we doomed western society?

    I had to double check I wasn't reading a Texiken review.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    Zampanov wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    He and Theron are what made the first Snow White watchable. (It sure wasn't Kristen Stewart.) He was the best part of Ghostbusters and most of why the first Thor movie was as enjoyable as it was.

    I admittedly haven't seen Blackhat.

    his part in snow white was pretty boring

    it could have really been almost any large good looking dude, but I guess I'm glad it was him? I dunno

    Theron did a real solid job for what it was

    I just wish one of these crazy high effects budget flicks had anything under the hood at all. Underworld had more going on with the story than snow white did. Yeck.


    He was definitely perfect casting for Thor and the whole fish out of water section was a lot of fun.

    Emily Blunt and Jessica Chastain are enjoyable in Winter's War.

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    He and Theron are what made the first Snow White watchable. (It sure wasn't Kristen Stewart.) He was the best part of Ghostbusters and most of why the first Thor movie was as enjoyable as it was.

    I admittedly haven't seen Blackhat.

    his part in snow white was pretty boring

    it could have really been almost any large good looking dude, but I guess I'm glad it was him? I dunno

    Theron did a real solid job for what it was

    I just wish one of these crazy high effects budget flicks had anything under the hood at all. Underworld had more going on with the story than snow white did. Yeck.


    He was definitely perfect casting for Thor and the whole fish out of water section was a lot of fun.

    Emily Blunt and Jessica Chastain are enjoyable in Winter's War.

    yeah it looked like it might have its moments and I love those two so I'll probably see it eventually

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/sep/05/daniel-craig-offered-150m-two-more-bonds
    A new day generally brings a fresh frontrunner to inherit 007’s tuxedo, with Victoria star Tom Hughes the most recent to join the likes of Idris Elba, Tom Hiddleston and Aidan Turner. But according to a source reported by Radar, the most likely candidate to star as James Bond is Daniel Craig.

    Craig, 48, has already starred in four films, and despite a rumoured $65m (£48.66m) payday for 2015’s Spectre, was apparently sceptical about returning for more instalments. But pre-release qualms (“I’d rather slash my wrists”) were felt to have been overstated and, in the absence of an obvious replacement, Sony are said to be keen to sign him on for at least two further films. The actor added that he reserved “the right to change my mind” about quitting the series.


    Daniel Craig: I'd rather slash my wrists than play James Bond again
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    According to Radar, Craig’s public reluctance may even have helped his cause. “[He] has played a genius hand,” said the source. “Everyone knows how much executives adore him, and the idea of losing him at such a crucial time in the franchise isn’t an option as far as all the studio honchos are concerned.”

    The $150m would apparently involve two more films, shot “virtually back-to-back” – but neither would be shot by Sam Mendes who, despite the critical and commercial success of Spectre and its predecessor, Skyfall, has ruled himself out of returning.

    The final decision rests with Bond producer Barbara Broccoli, who in July was reported to be focusing on the next two films, with a view to potentially rehiring Craig.

    A spokesperson from Sony Pictures said the company had no comment.

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    I'm all for some more craig bond but they really need to figure out where they're going next and how

    somewhat worrying that mendes is leaving, goddamn does he ever have an eye

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    $75M per film just for a main actor who might end up phoning it in? I guess.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    daveNYC wrote: »
    $75M per film just for a main actor who might end up phoning it in? I guess.

    craig doesn't strike me as a phone it in kinda guy, and he's got enough charisma and familiarity with the role that even if he did I seriously doubt you'd be able to tell

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    I'm all for some more craig bond but they really need to figure out where they're going next and how

    somewhat worrying that mendes is leaving, goddamn does he ever have an eye

    Mendes should have left, after Skyfall. Spectre proved he has nothing else left to contribute worth keeping - Sony needs to call Chris Nolan.
    Zampanov wrote: »
    daveNYC wrote: »
    $75M per film just for a main actor who might end up phoning it in? I guess.

    craig doesn't strike me as a phone it in kinda guy, and he's got enough charisma and familiarity with the role that even if he did I seriously doubt you'd be able to tell

    It varies on the film he's in, he was amazing in Skyfall and Casino Royale.

  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    My problem with more Craig movies is the the typical flanderisation that happens with Bond movies everytime after an actor reboot grounds the series again.

  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    I'm all for some more craig bond but they really need to figure out where they're going next and how

    somewhat worrying that mendes is leaving, goddamn does he ever have an eye

    Mendes should have left, after Skyfall. Spectre proved he has nothing else left to contribute worth keeping - Sony needs to call Chris Nolan.
    Zampanov wrote: »
    daveNYC wrote: »
    $75M per film just for a main actor who might end up phoning it in? I guess.

    craig doesn't strike me as a phone it in kinda guy, and he's got enough charisma and familiarity with the role that even if he did I seriously doubt you'd be able to tell

    It varies on the film he's in, he was amazing in Skyfall and Casino Royale.

    I think all of that is mostly reflective of the scripts

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    daveNYC wrote: »
    $75M per film just for a main actor who might end up phoning it in? I guess.

    craig doesn't strike me as a phone it in kinda guy, and he's got enough charisma and familiarity with the role that even if he did I seriously doubt you'd be able to tell

    Back-to-back shooting of two films that he wasn't that interested in doing initially? Could go either way.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    NSFW - swearing

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnWFNKmFUoA

    This is the calmest I've seen Movie Bob in ages.

  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Hemsworth, like the other Chris's's Pine and Evans, will never be the reason a movie is bad, but they aren't powerful enough to lift a movie up on their own.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I actually liked Quantum(this should have been the fucking title, by the by), but yeah I think Mendes leaving is the right move. A Nolan Bond would make me ridiculously excited.

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    Flanderisation?

    A character develops to become defined by a single character trait.

    Named for Ned Flanders going from a rival to Homer and is more successful than him to being all about his Christianity.

  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    Nolan's always slightly emotionally distant style would go well with Craig, I think.

  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Why don't they get an American director for the film this time?!

    I mean come on, it's the current year!

  • NinjeffNinjeff Registered User regular
    I would actually like to see a new Bond and a return to the slightly more campy Bond.
    Don't get me wrong, I've really enjoyed Craig's version, but we've done that, and i'd like to see something a little more...fun.
    Bring back the cool gadgets and insane car chases and huge ludicrous world ending plots.
    Cast a Bond with some charisma and fizz and a knack for the one liners.

    Elba would have been great.....

  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    Flanderisation?

    A character develops to become defined by a single character trait.

    Named for Ned Flanders going from a rival to Homer and is more successful than him to being all about his Christianity.

    It wasn't the right word in the context, thinking about it. I meant more the fact that generally the longer an actor's run is the sillier the Bond movies get.

  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2016
    Silly Bond movies are half the fun of the franchise. For every gritty hunt for revenge against the guy that fed his buddy to a shark I want an underwater car and a space shuttle full of CIA agents with lasers.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    I'm in the minority that found Skyfall boring as crap

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    I'm in the minority that found Skyfall boring as crap

    gasp

  • GaryOGaryO Registered User regular
    All of Craig's bond films have been boring as hell for me.
    The sooner someone replaces him the better.

  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    I'm in the minority that found Skyfall boring as crap

    Not sure about boring, but it was pretty damn disjointed.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    GaryO wrote: »
    All of Craig's bond films have been boring as hell for me.
    The sooner someone replaces him the better.

    double gasp

  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    I always wonder what Bond would be had they gone with Clive Owen like originally intended.

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    daveNYC wrote: »
    I'm in the minority that found Skyfall boring as crap

    Not sure about boring, but it was pretty damn disjointed.

    Most Bond films are

  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    I would quite like to see Craig as Bond in a lighter, funnier film - though one that is better written than Spectre. I think he's pretty good in his comedic moments in Casino Royale and Skyfall, even if neither of those film focuses too much on that side of Bond, and I could imagine him doing a good job with fun Bond. Could Mendes have directed a funny Bond? We won't know, but I'd definitely agree with those who say that Spectre's problem wasn't its director but the script.

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    daveNYC wrote: »
    I'm in the minority that found Skyfall boring as crap

    Not sure about boring, but it was pretty damn disjointed.

    Most Bond films are

    Lots of jumping around to locations, but I usually feel that Bond's mission and/or the Big Bad's master plan help to hold things together. Skyfall didn't do that for me, I think because the thing driving the plot switched back and forth between Silva and Bond's actions. Hard to put into words, but Quantum worked for me while Skyfall didn't.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    Thirith wrote: »
    I would quite like to see Craig as Bond in a lighter, funnier film - though one that is better written than Spectre. I think he's pretty good in his comedic moments in Casino Royale and Skyfall, even if neither of those film focuses too much on that side of Bond, and I could imagine him doing a good job with fun Bond. Could Mendes have directed a funny Bond? We won't know, but I'd definitely agree with those who say that Spectre's problem wasn't its director but the script.

    With films like this, that's the same problem. The director has total control over the script, the screenwriter is their helper monkey with no power and easily replaceable. There are exceptions where the studio is running the movie and the director is just a person filling the seat - like with Ratner's X-men.

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  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    Whether that's true or not, it's silly. Being a great director doesn't necessarily mean that you're good at constructing a story. Having complete control over the script doesn't much help if that's not where your skills lie. If I see two films with the same director and mostly the same writers, one of them works on all levels and the other one falls apart on the level of plot, structure and dialogue, I'm going to blame the script (and scriptwriters) first and foremost, not the director.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    Thirith wrote: »
    Whether that's true or not, it's silly. Being a great director doesn't necessarily mean that you're good at constructing a story. Having complete control over the script doesn't much help if that's not where your skills lie. If I see two films with the same director and mostly the same writers, one of them works on all levels and the other one falls apart on the level of plot, structure and dialogue, I'm going to blame the script (and scriptwriters) first and foremost, not the director.

    The director not being able to recognize a good script is why that bad script is getting made, that screenwriter could be very talented but if the director isn't interested in hearing what they to say the director is who ultimately decides what shape the script is in. The screenwriter is responsible, sure - but at the end of the day they're not making the crucial decisions for the film - that's the director. The director's have the biggest responsibility, and get the bigger rewards if they are successful.

    There's many variables in why a director might work excellently with one writer and badly with another. Maybe they're not good at that genre, maybe they're willing to listen to what the writer has to say as much as the previous one since they're not friends or hate each other. Maybe the the film is being rushed. Maybe the studio overrode the director at the last minute and cut the film to pieces before it got to theaters. Aside from the last scenario, the director is ultimately responsible for what gets on the page, the writer just follows orders. They could have the greatest screenplay ever written, but if the director wants to make a movie about hot chicks and explosions, the writer is going to have to do the latter or they're going to get fired and replaced by someone who will do it.

    Screenwriters also have to deal with getting replaced with new drafts, or forced into writing a script that goes one way, their rival does a script for another way and then someone else merges them both together.

    Not to mention during writer strikes when someone else fills in for the missing writer. There was a rumor Craig himself wrote scenes for Quantum, for instance.

    If a director doesn't have the proper skills to recognize a good story or a competent one they're in the wrong business and they will green light that bad script the writer wrote for the movie. What writer is going to say no to that? That's outside the writer's hands, which is why I'm not going to blame it entirely on them. Then there are circumstances where the writer and director are both terrible and make each other worse, team work except the worst kind - though the nature of their business remains the same, it's the director who ultimately decides they're going to shoot that terrible script. This is how we got MoS.

    edit: If this was about tv, I'd agree with you - that's a media where the writer controls all. Unofficially under the show runner title. They are the "director" in that scenario, but even then they have the same responsibility for their writing staff - if they produce bad work that reflects badly on the show runner since they green lit those terrible scripts.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    A return to camp would be checkout time for me with Bond. Craig's Bonds are what saved the franchise. By ditching that crap.

  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    If a director doesn't have the proper skills to recognize a good story or a competent one they're in the wrong business...
    This would mean that Ridley Scott is in the wrong business, or indeed Sam Mendes. Personally, I disagree.

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