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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    "ya but they were all bad"
    Astaereth wrote: »
    One of these days I'll have to rewatch True Lies to remember why I dislike it so much.

    There are definitely reasons to, but I feel that most of them can be blamed on the 90s and it doesn't ruin the fun for me.

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  • M-VickersM-Vickers Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    The Prisoner I have definitely seen. Utterly weird but definitely a classic. I need to visit Portmeirion one of these days to go and see that incredible architecture. The beauty of it not having been on a set!

    Many of the others mentioned I have heard of - so many are still pop culture staples - but many had slipped my mind. I'll have to check them out, some great recommendations here. Thanks, guys. :)

    I went to Portmeirion as a kid, having seen the Prisoner not long before. Very surreal place.

  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    "ya but they were all bad"
    Astaereth wrote: »
    One of these days I'll have to rewatch True Lies to remember why I dislike it so much.

    There are definitely reasons to, but I feel that most of them can be blamed on the 90s and it doesn't ruin the fun for me.

    Yea, almost 100% of the problems with True Lies are "its a product of its times and we have come a long way since then". But in terms of plot, structure, and comedy, its pretty goddamn golden. And it came out at a perfect time to pillory all Arnold's prior movies in a loving way.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Raising Arizona is probably the most cartoonish Coen brothers film I have seen.

    This is an observation, not a complaint.

  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    "ya but they were all bad"
    Astaereth wrote: »
    One of these days I'll have to rewatch True Lies to remember why I dislike it so much.

    There are definitely reasons to, but I feel that most of them can be blamed on the 90s and it doesn't ruin the fun for me.

    Yea, almost 100% of the problems with True Lies are "its a product of its times and we have come a long way since then". But in terms of plot, structure, and comedy, its pretty goddamn golden. And it came out at a perfect time to pillory all Arnold's prior movies in a loving way.
    Arnold has almost made a career out of referencing (either in a good or bad way) the movies that made his career.

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    I know what the problem with True Lies is

    <_<

    >_>

  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    I know what the problem with True Lies is

    <_<

    >_>

    the title is an oxymoron?

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  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    I know what the problem with True Lies is

    <_<

    >_>

    I'm confused, this is what atomika posts when someone brings up the hobbit needing a fan cut. Is there an atomicut of true lies??

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    I'm periodically encouraged to not talk about James Cameron movies here

    :surprised:

    It's kind of a thing

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  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Ah yes, that is connected to my dislike of the visual effects I think :rotate:

  • Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    Woo! Just found out we're getting a new Underworld sequel. That's a guilty pleasure series of mine :+1:

    What's not to love about melodramatic vampire BS, and Kate Bekinsale in tight leather gothy outfits, flipping all over the place shooting vampires and kung-fuing werewolves?

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Psst, hey everyone, I got something I wanna show you, it's in my front pocket I mean spoiler....

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    Scouts Guide to the Zombie Apocalypse (Hulu), a really good movie that will be a perfect Halloween movie for everyone to watch. I remember when the trailer came out, it looked bad and dumb. Oh lol scouts are lame and stupid lets put them with zombies and hot girls, it looked like it was trying way too hard and pulling on things that would never be tangentially related because that's what passes for comedy these days. And the first five minutes of the movie, which wastes a cameo by Blake from Workaholics, makes me sort of go "yeah, that's why I didn't wanna see this." But from the get go after the opening title card it takes a right turn into Funville, and boy was I happily surprised.

    Three sophomores in high school, fat earnest kid, Cyclops everyman kid, and smart aleck kid. They're still in the scouts, mainly because fat kid lost his dad two years ago and he was a big scout guy so the other two are still in the troop just to help their friend because he's had a tough time. They have a campout the day a zombie virus breaks out in their town, leading them to team up with a high school dropout girl who works at the strip club Lawrence of aLabia (excellent pun).

    It's a zombie movie that acknowledges zombies are thing people know about, so they act accordingly. And the film also goes with the idea the animals can be infected too, which adds to some nice original humor. As the story progresses the way they handle the zombies gets better, the humor gets into solid R territory, and one thing the movie commits to is that the zombies have some connection to their old selves, something zombie movies kind of hint at just to show some struggle with dealing with the zombies. But here it works well for some solid laughs, which is what makes the originality with the zombies so much better, because they're giving you a chuckle AND dealing with zombies in a way you would (lure all the zombies away with bass from a car, a duh, tap into their former selves, have the scout stuff be used for realism and handling the situation, etc.).

    The acting is surprisingly solid from everyone. When I said a kid is Cyclops up above he is literally Cyclops from X-Men Apocalypse, and he's one of the new generation of actors who can actually act, playing the boy scout role without feeling out of place or trying to be cooler than he is. I hope to see him in better stuff and not fall apart like other young actors. The smart aleck kid reminds me of Cooper from Eurotrip in being smart aleck but not overbearing or obnoxious, and the fat kid plays the earnest role well. The stripper girl isn't total kick ass woman like the cliche would have been and is fun to watch and tall too highlight how everyone in the industry is 5'4", and Cara Delivagne's friend from Paper Towns who actually should have been the lead in that movie also shows up here and is again a highlight in this movie. And in a great use of the budget they have a solid soundtrack that I didn't expect for this film. The budget is apparently 15 milly and it makes a huge difference compared to the same film possibly being done for 5 milly just in terms of feeling like a real movie with extras and such.

    It is the perfect compliment to Deathgasm, its American cousin, this. A 90 minute fun romp of killing zombies in over the top gore and not worrying about the usual drama films try to find themselves scrambling to produce because that's the only way it can be seen as art. Hopefully it gets some solid love in the digital and on demand market to let it be a cult favorite. Watch it and have fun.

  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    Skull2185 wrote: »
    Woo! Just found out we're getting a new Underworld sequel. That's a guilty pleasure series of mine :+1:

    What's not to love about melodramatic vampire BS, and Kate Bekinsale in tight leather gothy outfits, flipping all over the place shooting vampires and kung-fuing werewolves?

    I'll tell you what's not to like. You take Kate Beckinsale's beautiful brown eyes, so deep you could fall into them, and slap ugly blue contacts on them. It's like that story of the old lady who tried to touch up a mural of Jesus at her church and turned him into some baboon creature instead. Just leave well enough alone.

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    I think I would have enjoyed the Underworld films more if they had actually developed Beckinsale's character better. The first movie was kinda alright, and they did a pretty decent rip-off of White Wolf and that was fine for one movie.

    But the second movie was lame and I didn't really buy the romance. I actually liked that they attempted a romance, because the movie needed something other than just mindless action and romance is reasonable even if it's not the most original angle. But it wasn't a very good romance and I wasn't feeling the werewolf-vampire hybrid storyline at all (also ripped from White Wolf, but ripped from like the worst fan-fictioney level shit that WW ever wrote for their Werewolf setting. Not good source material guys).

    Then the third film did not even have Beckinsale and it was more werewolf shit and also in the past and God that movie sucked.

    I did not watch the fourth one. I was just done.

  • GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    The fourth one is fun. I mean, it's real dumb. But it's fun*.


    *Level of fun may depend on alcohol intake and company. No actual fun guaranteed.

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  • HybridHybrid South AustraliaRegistered User regular
    I have a real soft spot for the first underworld movie, but don't remember anything about two or three except being bored by them. I never actually saw the fourth, so maybe that will be something to give a shot.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Hybrid wrote: »
    I have a real soft spot for the first underworld movie, but don't remember anything about two or three except being bored by them. I never actually saw the fourth, so maybe that will be something to give a shot.

    Second one's ok, we get a wildcard hybrid who is totally fun to watch tearing up the landscape. Three is an interesting period piece exploring the origins of the setting (I like more prequels like this through the ages), four is just batshit insane in the best way.

  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    How much does the Spooks/MI:5 film rely on its audience having watched the series and knowing the characters (I know that Kit Harrington is a new character, but I'm thinking of Harry Pearce, for instance.)

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Spooks movie is butts that's only got redeeming qualities if you like the show, so you'd be better off watching the show. The earlier series were especially great!

    Oh brilliant
  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    First two series are good, third one is iffy, later on the show gets back on track when Richard Armitage comes in.

  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    I have to say I soured a bit on Spooks after the first series ended on an extremely intense note, and then series 2 completely negated it. I was close to getting up and shouting "He didn't get out of the cockadoodie car! It went over the edge and he was still inside it! Do you understand that?" Except without the whole madness, author kidnapping and homicide bit, obviously.

    Though Nicola Walker made up for a lot.

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  • Redcoat-13Redcoat-13 Registered User regular
    I greatly enjoyed the Tinker Tailor movie, and hope ever so much that we get another in the Karla trilogy (I guess Smiley's people?).

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    Thirith wrote: »
    How much does the Spooks/MI:5 film rely on its audience having watched the series and knowing the characters (I know that Kit Harrington is a new character, but I'm thinking of Harry Pearce, for instance.)

    Haven't seen it, but the trailers looked like a poor man's version of the actual show. Which is like an inverse 24 - with really smart writing, intense acting and government agents who don't resort to violence as a first resort - blackmail, distractions and extortion are another matter.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    Despite the 3D presentation, this is a film that should be seen on a plane, on the 6in x 8in screen on the back of an airline seat, probably at 2am on a transatlantic flight, accompanied by a complementary sachet of salty cashews, a vodka and tonic and then a meal of mechanically reconstituted chicken in a fillet-style serving.

    Ouch.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    Thirith wrote: »
    I have to say I soured a bit on Spooks after the first series ended on an extremely intense note, and then series 2 completely negated it. I was close to getting up and shouting "He didn't get out of the cockadoodie car! It went over the edge and he was still inside it! Do you understand that?" Except without the whole madness, author kidnapping and homicide bit, obviously.

    Though Nicola Walker made up for a lot.

    The series picks up when Jo Portman and Ros Myers become main characters. That said, it is a loss when Keeley Hawes leaves - but she's great in Ashes to Ashes.

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  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    Redcoat-13 wrote: »
    I greatly enjoyed the Tinker Tailor movie, and hope ever so much that we get another in the Karla trilogy (I guess Smiley's people?).
    Couldn't agree more. I like the BBC series of TTSS, but I prefer the film for its more... active, perhaps? ... take on the story. It's still not an action flick, but I like how it shows the intelligence services to be corrosive and toxic to those that inhabit this world of shadows, regardless of which side you're on. Perhaps the series was too subtle for me in that respect, but I thought it was more about "What happened and who did it?", while the film was more about "How does this cold war world and mentality affect everyone who's directly or indirectly involved?"

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator mod
    The Night Manager mini-series is pretty similar, but it's not a movie either. It's very tense, and there's a lot of "I know what you know, but do you know that I know" moments.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator mod
    Maybe "Spy Game" from 2001?

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  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Yeah, I watched The Night Manager when it was on TV not too long ago. Very tense and some excellent performances.

  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    Sneakers is still a fuckin' delightful not-technically-a-spy-movie

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_XRqJV2zdk

    It's not as if there's many original elements in that trailer but they're all done with such charm and energy that it's still a great movie

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  • Zombie HeroZombie Hero Registered User regular
    I saw Kubo over the weekend. It was probably my favorite film of the ones I've seen this year. Maybe the only one I have an interest in seeing a second time.

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  • akajaybayakajaybay Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    @Jazz While these are spy spoof films as opposed to more serious ones, check out the OSS 117 films.
    It's basically french James Bond. They do a great job of capturing the look and feel of some of those Connery era movies.
    The first is better than the second, but it's still entertaining. The second is more in line with the goofier Bond movies. They were on Netflix a while back, not sure if they still are.
    https://youtu.be/dw0tlOdn5Mc
    https://youtu.be/GeLrB5r1XEw

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Maybe "Spy Game" from 2001?

    I would suggest it as a good spy movie. Probably my favorite CIA movie of all time.

    But its not the kind of movie that people were talking about here. Which are more "gentlemen spy" movies, the kind of thing that Archer parodies.

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  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    Black Mass is mostly boring. There's this idea that all you have to do to make a prestige picture is find a true story, throw good actors at it (Johnny Depp and a host of great character players), and film it like an HBO drama. But prestige should be earned, by strong scenes, by bold choices, by memorable lines and images. Black Mass is almost entirely rote. In fact, the script is pretty bad, all tell and no show, with crucial sequences missing that might have helped garner sympathy for ostensible protagonist Connolly, the FBI agent who gets too close to Whitey Bulger. But Connolly is badly served by this film, which suggests that he built his entire career off of the one conversation where Whitey didn't just jerk him around. After that, Connolly resorts to fraud, all while protecting Bulger from prosecution. This isn't the story of a good agent who lets his idealism about the old neighborhood and loyalty among childhood friends blind him to Bulger's true nature--that would at least be interesting and understandable. It's really the story of a shitty agent who tells himself those things in order to avoid confronting his own moral bankruptcy.

    The result is a movie singularly hollow at its core. There's really no one to root for and no main perspective from which to view the story, which is told by several of Bulger's associates. Too bad they all tell it the same way, in the same "Take the bait and give me the Oscar" style.

    But! I think the movie does have one compelling aspect to it that almost makes it worthwhile, and that's Depp's performance as Bulger. Even if half the performance is the amazing hair and makeup, most of the other half is Depp's dead, unblinking eyes, and it's amazing.

    A lot of movies about mobsters go the charismatic anti-hero route. They're Tony Sopranos, charming, relatable people who sometimes explode into violence; or they're Tony Montanas, the clever, driven guys whose pursuit of their goals make them admirable even as they're carving up the opposition.

    But Depp's Bulger is a cold, sociopathic monster. His only emotions are suspicion, annoyance, and rage, and he lays waste to the cast of this movie like he's Jason fucking Vorhees. I'm not exaggerating--several of his murders are shot like slasher sequences. With his wide eyes and slicked back, thinning hair, he looks inhuman, like a refugee from a really dark, violent Tim Burton movie. The other characters try to socialize with him like he's normal, but it's as though this ordinary mob picture got mixed up with a horror movie. Everybody tries to pretend that that's not Nosferatu, eating steaks and drinking beer and being freakishly unnerving. After the meal, the creature goes to see about Connolly's wife, who feigned illness to skip dinner, and gropes her face and throat like he's sizing her up for a strangling. It's a moment of disturbing, electric horror that breaks through the stultifying miasma of Black Mass's otherwise limited ambitions. I only wish the film had more of this and less of, well, everything else.

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    Oh, also regarding good spy stories.

    It's not a movie, it's a mini series, but I'm a couple of episodes into London Spy and it is just fucking fantastic.

    I would strongly recommend not watching the trailers for it and just go into it blind, it is a very smart, very modern take on espionage films and their typically manly man stoic leads.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    http://tvline.com/2016/09/08/shailene-woodley-divergent-tv-movie-ascendant/
    Putting the “dis” in dystopian, Shailene Woodley is bearish on reprising her role as Tris for the Divergent film franchise’s fourth and final entry, Ascendant, which in the wake of waning box office numbers is being produced as a TV-movie, and to set up a possible spinoff TV series.

    Woodley was caught off guard by and had to read July’s original reports of the downgrade in the press. Now having had time to process the news, she told Screen Rant (during her rounds of Snowden press), “I didn’t sign up to be in a television show. Out of respect to the studio and everyone in involved, they may have changed their mind and may be doing something different, but I’m not necessarily interested in doing a television show.”

    Woodley previously headlined ABC Family’s The Secret Life of the American Teenager for five seasons, and is set to star opposite Nicole Kidman and Reese Witherspoon in HBO’s upcoming Big Little Lies adaptation.
    The Golden Globe nominee and seven-time Teen Choice Award winner echoed the skepticism of Divergent costar Miles Teller, who last month told The Hollywood Reporter, “We all signed on for [Ascendant] in hopes that it’d be released in theaters,’ whereas reconfiguring it as a lower-budgeted TV project presents “a different set of circumstances.”

    What a quote!

    But seriously, she needs to realize being on tv isn't a death sentence to her film carer as it once was. And she's starring in the Divergent series, not Game of Thrones.

  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    http://tvline.com/2016/09/08/shailene-woodley-divergent-tv-movie-ascendant/
    Putting the “dis” in dystopian, Shailene Woodley is bearish on reprising her role as Tris for the Divergent film franchise’s fourth and final entry, Ascendant, which in the wake of waning box office numbers is being produced as a TV-movie, and to set up a possible spinoff TV series.

    Woodley was caught off guard by and had to read July’s original reports of the downgrade in the press. Now having had time to process the news, she told Screen Rant (during her rounds of Snowden press), “I didn’t sign up to be in a television show. Out of respect to the studio and everyone in involved, they may have changed their mind and may be doing something different, but I’m not necessarily interested in doing a television show.”

    Woodley previously headlined ABC Family’s The Secret Life of the American Teenager for five seasons, and is set to star opposite Nicole Kidman and Reese Witherspoon in HBO’s upcoming Big Little Lies adaptation.
    The Golden Globe nominee and seven-time Teen Choice Award winner echoed the skepticism of Divergent costar Miles Teller, who last month told The Hollywood Reporter, “We all signed on for [Ascendant] in hopes that it’d be released in theaters,’ whereas reconfiguring it as a lower-budgeted TV project presents “a different set of circumstances.”

    What a quote!

    But seriously, she needs to realize being on tv isn't a death sentence to her film carer as it once was. And she's starring in the Divergent series, not Game of Thrones.

    I mean in general yes we are still in a pretty solid golden-age-of-TV era BUT

    a special effects driven film series getting kicked down to TV movie and maybe TV spinoff is rough

    that is a clear downgrade no matter how you look at it

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    Zampanov wrote: »
    http://tvline.com/2016/09/08/shailene-woodley-divergent-tv-movie-ascendant/
    Putting the “dis” in dystopian, Shailene Woodley is bearish on reprising her role as Tris for the Divergent film franchise’s fourth and final entry, Ascendant, which in the wake of waning box office numbers is being produced as a TV-movie, and to set up a possible spinoff TV series.

    Woodley was caught off guard by and had to read July’s original reports of the downgrade in the press. Now having had time to process the news, she told Screen Rant (during her rounds of Snowden press), “I didn’t sign up to be in a television show. Out of respect to the studio and everyone in involved, they may have changed their mind and may be doing something different, but I’m not necessarily interested in doing a television show.”

    Woodley previously headlined ABC Family’s The Secret Life of the American Teenager for five seasons, and is set to star opposite Nicole Kidman and Reese Witherspoon in HBO’s upcoming Big Little Lies adaptation.
    The Golden Globe nominee and seven-time Teen Choice Award winner echoed the skepticism of Divergent costar Miles Teller, who last month told The Hollywood Reporter, “We all signed on for [Ascendant] in hopes that it’d be released in theaters,’ whereas reconfiguring it as a lower-budgeted TV project presents “a different set of circumstances.”

    What a quote!

    But seriously, she needs to realize being on tv isn't a death sentence to her film carer as it once was. And she's starring in the Divergent series, not Game of Thrones.

    I mean in general yes we are still in a pretty solid golden-age-of-TV era BUT

    a special effects driven film series getting kicked down to TV movie and maybe TV spinoff is rough

    that is a clear downgrade no matter how you look at it

    Depends on the budget, many tv shows have done spectacular work with CGI and special effects these days.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuS5huqOND4

    Even on cable. That said, what you're saying is true.

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  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    Oh, also regarding good spy stories.

    It's not a movie, it's a mini series, but I'm a couple of episodes into London Spy and it is just fucking fantastic.

    I would strongly recommend not watching the trailers for it and just go into it blind, it is a very smart, very modern take on espionage films and their typically manly man stoic leads.
    I disliked London Spy quite a bit, finding its plotting too obvious and its writing hackneyed, but the characters and cast are definitely intriguing and original, especially in a genre that is often very conventionally male.

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