If you start hesitating, then you'll fins yourself unable to get anything at all. If AMD has sorted themselves, what happens should Intel also make improvements on their next release.
I have one from newegg in my cart and just need to hit continue... but I want it from amazon as I have prime
I waited too long mulling it over
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
Yeah, I missed the ones at Nvidia.com by doing that, so I said F-it and decided to just grab one from newegg while I could and deal with the lack of Prime.
*As was pointed out, the CPU/mobo tend to have a life cycle of 5-6 years before replacement. Given that, I might as well invest the extra $100, and go with the 1800X.
*To get some headroom back, I scaled the RAM back to 16 GB. I've also switched to the RAM that AMD sent with their press kits.
*Also, since the board supports it, I've added an M.2 SSD in place of the SATA one.
GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
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Newegg is still showing Gigabyte and Asus in stock. Gigabyte jumped from out to in to out to in, so I assume people are putting them in cart and not buying, or orders are getting canceled.
e: Asus still in stock, everything else sold out. My order just kicked over to "Packaging", which means I definitely have on on it's way. Woot!
It's not like your computer is going to slow to a crawl where it takes 5 hours to compile something that took 5 minutes on your previous build; and if you choose the "wrong" CPU, it isn't going to set itself on fire.
Will it be "less optimal?" Sure. Will it be measurable? That's debateable.
For sure! Which is why I pulled the trigger on it in the end. I'm upgrading from a Q6600 anyway (though I've been using the i5 at work for the last 2 years) It's just that I don't see myself having the budget for a new build in the next 5 or so years, so I've been extremely picky up until this morning. :biggrin:
On that note, I'll have all my parts tomorrow but I have project deadline to hit next Thursday before I can build. All that shiny gear sitting in boxes... :bigfrown:
It's not like your computer is going to slow to a crawl where it takes 5 hours to compile something that took 5 minutes on your previous build; and if you choose the "wrong" CPU, it isn't going to set itself on fire.
Will it be "less optimal?" Sure. Will it be measurable? That's debateable.
For sure! Which is why I pulled the trigger on it in the end. I'm upgrading from a Q6600 anyway (though I've been using the i5 at work for the last 2 years) It's just that I don't see myself having the budget for a new build in the next 5 or so years, so I've been extremely picky up until this morning. :biggrin:
On that note, I'll have all my parts tomorrow but I have project deadline to hit next Thursday before I can build. All that shiny gear sitting in boxes... :bigfrown:
Heh. My wife told me in no uncertain terms to start ordering components.
*As was pointed out, the CPU/mobo tend to have a life cycle of 5-6 years before replacement. Given that, I might as well invest the extra $100, and go with the 1800X.
*To get some headroom back, I scaled the RAM back to 16 GB. I've also switched to the RAM that AMD sent with their press kits.
*Also, since the board supports it, I've added an M.2 SSD in place of the SATA one.
Not to muddy the waters, but you could get the 1700X and keep 32 GB of RAM if this is for productivity. It's only 200 Mhz at the end of the day, not the 600 difference between the 1800X and the 1700. However, I'm not sure what your RAM needs are.
If you're into or are fine with OC'ing, apparently the 1700, 1700X and 1800X all pretty much hit the same 3.9 Ghz ceiling on all cores with a decent air cooler, with a lucky few being able to push 4 or 4.1. I've seen people on Reddit say they did that relatively easily with the included cooler, but I don't think that cooler is really intended for OC'ing.
*As was pointed out, the CPU/mobo tend to have a life cycle of 5-6 years before replacement. Given that, I might as well invest the extra $100, and go with the 1800X.
*To get some headroom back, I scaled the RAM back to 16 GB. I've also switched to the RAM that AMD sent with their press kits.
*Also, since the board supports it, I've added an M.2 SSD in place of the SATA one.
Not to muddy the waters, but you could get the 1700X and keep 32 GB of RAM if this is for productivity. It's only 200 Mhz at the end of the day, not the 600 difference between the 1800X and the 1700. However, I'm not sure what your RAM needs are.
If you're into or are fine with OC'ing, apparently the 1700, 1700X and 1800X all pretty much hit the same 3.9 Ghz ceiling on all cores with a decent air cooler, with a lucky few being able to push 4 or 4.1. I've seen people on Reddit say they did that relatively easily with the included cooler, but I don't think that cooler is really intended for OC'ing.
I'm figuring that the RAM is something that I can add on in the future if I really want it, so I'd rather invest that money in the processor (since it has to be spent "up front".)
Here's another question: I probably won't be upgrading my monitors for a year (they're nothing fancy (1920x1080) but are serviceable, and I want to wait on that until I get our housing figured out.) Given that, does the 1070 still make sense?
Here's another question: I probably won't be upgrading my monitors for a year (they're nothing fancy (1920x1080) but are serviceable, and I want to wait on that until I get our housing figured out.) Given that, does the 1070 still make sense?
If you're playing at 1080p, I'd suggest you go with the RX 480 or 1050 TI for now, and bank the extra cash to get a 4k monitor + 4k-capable graphics card. Currently the best gsync-compatible 4K monitors are between $800-$1200, and freesync ones are going from $500-$700, so you'll want to leave room in your budget for getting the right monitor for your card.
I'm waiting to see how AMD's Vega release fares - even if it just fights the 1080 TI to a draw, it should mean downward price pressure on the TI.
Here's another question: I probably won't be upgrading my monitors for a year (they're nothing fancy (1920x1080) but are serviceable, and I want to wait on that until I get our housing figured out.) Given that, does the 1070 still make sense?
If you're playing at 1080p, I'd suggest you go with the RX 480 or 1050 TI for now, and bank the extra cash to get a 4k monitor + 4k-capable graphics card. Currently the best gsync-compatible 4K monitors are between $800-$1200, and freesync ones are going from $500-$700, so you'll want to leave room in your budget for getting the right monitor for your card.
I'm waiting to see how AMD's Vega release fares - even if it just fights the 1080 TI to a draw, it should mean downward price pressure on the TI.
I'd like to leave the door open for VR potentially. I feel like since I haven't upgraded in a long time (I'm also moving from a Q6600 as well), I'm not sure what I'll be doing.
@GnomeTank looks like I snagged a Zotac off NE. Had got on the EVGA preorder on Amazon as soon as it was available, but no movement on my order. So I guess I will just watercool this thing to get a decent OC out of it.
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Here's another question: I probably won't be upgrading my monitors for a year (they're nothing fancy (1920x1080) but are serviceable, and I want to wait on that until I get our housing figured out.) Given that, does the 1070 still make sense?
If you're playing at 1080p, I'd suggest you go with the RX 480 or 1050 TI for now, and bank the extra cash to get a 4k monitor + 4k-capable graphics card. Currently the best gsync-compatible 4K monitors are between $800-$1200, and freesync ones are going from $500-$700, so you'll want to leave room in your budget for getting the right monitor for your card.
I'm waiting to see how AMD's Vega release fares - even if it just fights the 1080 TI to a draw, it should mean downward price pressure on the TI.
I'd like to leave the door open for VR potentially. I feel like since I haven't upgraded in a long time (I'm also moving from a Q6600 as well), I'm not sure what I'll be doing.
Honestly unless you want to develop for VR or are really into racing or flight sims, wait for VR until the next iteration of Oculus/Vive product. It's cool, but game developers are still figuring out how to use the technology to create good games.
Here's another question: I probably won't be upgrading my monitors for a year (they're nothing fancy (1920x1080) but are serviceable, and I want to wait on that until I get our housing figured out.) Given that, does the 1070 still make sense?
If you're playing at 1080p, I'd suggest you go with the RX 480 or 1050 TI for now, and bank the extra cash to get a 4k monitor + 4k-capable graphics card. Currently the best gsync-compatible 4K monitors are between $800-$1200, and freesync ones are going from $500-$700, so you'll want to leave room in your budget for getting the right monitor for your card.
I'm waiting to see how AMD's Vega release fares - even if it just fights the 1080 TI to a draw, it should mean downward price pressure on the TI.
I'd like to leave the door open for VR potentially. I feel like since I haven't upgraded in a long time (I'm also moving from a Q6600 as well), I'm not sure what I'll be doing.
It's a lot of decision paralysis, I know. I can tell you from personal experience that if you're looking into a house soon, any extra computer funds will either be forgotten for a while, or will be used for paint, door locks/knobs, furniture (new desk?), or contractors.
I think a 1070 is still fine, but won't be able to handle VR. You could do the 1060 or 1050 and be fine for your usage case; I don't think you'll find any games you attempt to play will be crippled with any of the three.
Here's another question: I probably won't be upgrading my monitors for a year (they're nothing fancy (1920x1080) but are serviceable, and I want to wait on that until I get our housing figured out.) Given that, does the 1070 still make sense?
If you're playing at 1080p, I'd suggest you go with the RX 480 or 1050 TI for now, and bank the extra cash to get a 4k monitor + 4k-capable graphics card. Currently the best gsync-compatible 4K monitors are between $800-$1200, and freesync ones are going from $500-$700, so you'll want to leave room in your budget for getting the right monitor for your card.
I'm waiting to see how AMD's Vega release fares - even if it just fights the 1080 TI to a draw, it should mean downward price pressure on the TI.
I'd like to leave the door open for VR potentially. I feel like since I haven't upgraded in a long time (I'm also moving from a Q6600 as well), I'm not sure what I'll be doing.
It's a lot of decision paralysis, I know. I can tell you from personal experience that if you're looking into a house soon, any extra computer funds will either be forgotten for a while, or will be used for paint, door locks/knobs, furniture (new desk?), or contractors.
I think a 1070 is still fine, but won't be able to handle VR. You could do the 1060 or 1050 and be fine for your usage case; I don't think you'll find any games you attempt to play will be crippled with any of the three.
Alright. Do you think the ROG motherboard is overkill as well?
I'd like some opinions on a decision I'm trying to make. I currently have an i5-3750k and a Geforce 660 TI. With Mass Effect around the corner, I'm considering upgrading my video card. My processor is still running at stock speeds and I haven't had isuses so I'm not considering upgrading that side. The 660 Ti is showing its age though.
Two options I'm thinking about:
1) 1050 Ti - approx. $200 (canadian)
2) 1070 - approx. $550 cdn
I'm looking at videocardbenchmark.net and the scores I see are the following:
660 Ti - 4693
1050 Ti - 5846
1070 - 10935
Are these numbers correct in that I wouldn't expect to see much for performance gains from the 1050 Ti?
(Sidenote: I'm only playing at 1080p though I don't mind paying a bit now to not have to upgrade for a few years)
Let's go back to the past with my discussion about my brother wanting to build a video-processing machine.
We've been talking about stats and stuff and he's come to the conclusion that this computer here is the "blueprint" he'd like to work to - in other words, he wants to hit similar statistics for it. But I've assured him that making the computer ourselves would be better for future-proofing and such, so I guess I just want to see if we can get close to the stats for about the same price, so we can ensure he can upgrade it more easily a few years down the road.
When you say 'upgrade more easily', do you mean a system that is easy to swap parts in and out over something like that ACER? Or something where you could, say, swap in a new CPU in a couple of years?
I'd like some opinions on a decision I'm trying to make. I currently have an i5-3750k and a Geforce 660 TI. With Mass Effect around the corner, I'm considering upgrading my video card. My processor is still running at stock speeds and I haven't had isuses so I'm not considering upgrading that side. The 660 Ti is showing its age though.
Two options I'm thinking about:
1) 1050 Ti - approx. $200 (canadian)
2) 1070 - approx. $550 cdn
I'm looking at videocardbenchmark.net and the scores I see are the following:
660 Ti - 4693
1050 Ti - 5846
1070 - 10935
Are these numbers correct in that I wouldn't expect to see much for performance gains from the 1050 Ti?
(Sidenote: I'm only playing at 1080p though I don't mind paying a bit now to not have to upgrade for a few years)
the 1070 would be a good buy for you. It occupies a weird middle ground right now where it's overkill for 1080p, but arguably underpowered for running high refresh 1440p.
If ou plan to stay on 1080p for the foreseeable future, then the 1070 will be a really nice card to have, because it'll run 1080p content without breaking a sweat, which means your PC will run nice and cool and quiet, and have a long life.
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*As was pointed out, the CPU/mobo tend to have a life cycle of 5-6 years before replacement. Given that, I might as well invest the extra $100, and go with the 1800X.
*To get some headroom back, I scaled the RAM back to 16 GB. I've also switched to the RAM that AMD sent with their press kits.
*Also, since the board supports it, I've added an M.2 SSD in place of the SATA one.
e: Asus still in stock, everything else sold out. My order just kicked over to "Packaging", which means I definitely have on on it's way. Woot!
For sure! Which is why I pulled the trigger on it in the end. I'm upgrading from a Q6600 anyway (though I've been using the i5 at work for the last 2 years) It's just that I don't see myself having the budget for a new build in the next 5 or so years, so I've been extremely picky up until this morning. :biggrin:
On that note, I'll have all my parts tomorrow but I have project deadline to hit next Thursday before I can build. All that shiny gear sitting in boxes... :bigfrown:
Heh. My wife told me in no uncertain terms to start ordering components.
Not to muddy the waters, but you could get the 1700X and keep 32 GB of RAM if this is for productivity. It's only 200 Mhz at the end of the day, not the 600 difference between the 1800X and the 1700. However, I'm not sure what your RAM needs are.
If you're into or are fine with OC'ing, apparently the 1700, 1700X and 1800X all pretty much hit the same 3.9 Ghz ceiling on all cores with a decent air cooler, with a lucky few being able to push 4 or 4.1. I've seen people on Reddit say they did that relatively easily with the included cooler, but I don't think that cooler is really intended for OC'ing.
I'm figuring that the RAM is something that I can add on in the future if I really want it, so I'd rather invest that money in the processor (since it has to be spent "up front".)
Would you be playing on only one monitor? These are the first benchmarks I found with 1920x1080 tested (the 1080 ti results i saw only tested 4k and 1440) - a 1070 appears to be overkill for 1080 gaming. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-pascal,4679-3.html
Tomshardware suggests either the RX 480 at $200 or the GTX 1060 @ $299 for 1080p gaming (or the GTX 1050 TI at $140). http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gpus,4380.html
If you're playing at 1080p, I'd suggest you go with the RX 480 or 1050 TI for now, and bank the extra cash to get a 4k monitor + 4k-capable graphics card. Currently the best gsync-compatible 4K monitors are between $800-$1200, and freesync ones are going from $500-$700, so you'll want to leave room in your budget for getting the right monitor for your card.
I'm waiting to see how AMD's Vega release fares - even if it just fights the 1080 TI to a draw, it should mean downward price pressure on the TI.
I'd like to leave the door open for VR potentially. I feel like since I haven't upgraded in a long time (I'm also moving from a Q6600 as well), I'm not sure what I'll be doing.
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Honestly unless you want to develop for VR or are really into racing or flight sims, wait for VR until the next iteration of Oculus/Vive product. It's cool, but game developers are still figuring out how to use the technology to create good games.
It's a lot of decision paralysis, I know. I can tell you from personal experience that if you're looking into a house soon, any extra computer funds will either be forgotten for a while, or will be used for paint, door locks/knobs, furniture (new desk?), or contractors.
I think a 1070 is still fine, but won't be able to handle VR. You could do the 1060 or 1050 and be fine for your usage case; I don't think you'll find any games you attempt to play will be crippled with any of the three.
Alright. Do you think the ROG motherboard is overkill as well?
@Xeddicus GTX 1060 if I can?
I think waiting for gen 2 Rift/Vive is a good idea though.
Make sure it's the 6GB version. And yes.
Two options I'm thinking about:
1) 1050 Ti - approx. $200 (canadian)
2) 1070 - approx. $550 cdn
I'm looking at videocardbenchmark.net and the scores I see are the following:
660 Ti - 4693
1050 Ti - 5846
1070 - 10935
Are these numbers correct in that I wouldn't expect to see much for performance gains from the 1050 Ti?
(Sidenote: I'm only playing at 1080p though I don't mind paying a bit now to not have to upgrade for a few years)
We've been talking about stats and stuff and he's come to the conclusion that this computer here is the "blueprint" he'd like to work to - in other words, he wants to hit similar statistics for it. But I've assured him that making the computer ourselves would be better for future-proofing and such, so I guess I just want to see if we can get close to the stats for about the same price, so we can ensure he can upgrade it more easily a few years down the road.
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the 1070 would be a good buy for you. It occupies a weird middle ground right now where it's overkill for 1080p, but arguably underpowered for running high refresh 1440p.
If ou plan to stay on 1080p for the foreseeable future, then the 1070 will be a really nice card to have, because it'll run 1080p content without breaking a sweat, which means your PC will run nice and cool and quiet, and have a long life.
looks like I'm gonna have to buy all the other components that make up a 2017 computer too!
You could just sell that Ti on eBay right now and buy a new computer with that money, lol.
on the plus side I might be able to keep using my existing case (Corsair air 540) and PSU
99% sure on what processor I will get: Intel Core i5-7600K
I need to research motherboards.
All the other components I need will probably be easy to decide on