It was always a valid option, and historically the correct one as they are traditionally been wary of banning. But the 3-deck AER metagame has been basically stagnant since inception (give or take a Tower strategy), which combined with the new schedule to create more speculation than normal. If you were honestly expecting nothing (and I'm not doubting either of you), I feel you were in the minority this time.
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I cannot seem to find it, but Scrye or Inquest or one of those old MtG magazines from ... a long time ago had an April Fool's issue where they had a press release from Wizards announcing a decision to ban islands. If I remember right, the "reasoning" behind it was that it would be too complicated to ban out all of the problematic blue cards from Extended, so they could just ban Island and be done with it.
I think a lot of people read more ban announcements as more bans so this result hopefully helps them realize that the second ban post is mostly for safety valve reasons
Also no changes to Commander but I don't think anybody was expecting otherwise on that front.
That Time Stretch and Omnipotence are still legal in a format where Worldfire is banned still fucking flabbergasts me.
don't forget palinchron and deadeye navigator!
I've never seen anyone do degenerate Palinchron shit in commander and Deadeye Navigator hasn't been egregious, anywhere I've played, since 2011 or so. That's not to say it doesn't happen, just that I guess I haven't been exposed to it for so long I forgot about it. I see Time Stretches and Omnipotences and Mind Over Matters pretty regularly, though, which are individually busted cards.
I think a lot of people read more ban announcements as more bans so this result hopefully helps them realize that the second ban post is mostly for safety valve reasons
Also no changes to Commander but I don't think anybody was expecting otherwise on that front.
That Time Stretch and Omnipotence are still legal in a format where Worldfire is banned still fucking flabbergasts me.
don't forget palinchron and deadeye navigator!
I've never seen anyone do degenerate Palinchron shit in commander and Deadeye Navigator hasn't been egregious, anywhere I've played, since 2011 or so. That's not to say it doesn't happen, just that I guess I haven't been exposed to it for so long I forgot about it. I see Time Stretches and Omnipotences and Mind Over Matters pretty regularly, though, which are individually busted cards.
I have a memnarch deck I play online when I want to be a garbage man
Also no changes to Commander but I don't think anybody was expecting otherwise on that front.
That Time Stretch and Omnipotence are still legal in a format where Worldfire is banned still fucking flabbergasts me.
don't forget palinchron and deadeye navigator!
I've never seen anyone do degenerate Palinchron shit in commander and Deadeye Navigator hasn't been egregious, anywhere I've played, since 2011 or so. That's not to say it doesn't happen, just that I guess I haven't been exposed to it for so long I forgot about it. I see Time Stretches and Omnipotences and Mind Over Matters pretty regularly, though, which are individually busted cards.
I have a memnarch deck I play online when I want to be a garbage man
I had a Mikaeus deck that I played when I wanted to be a garbage man. It included no fewer than 7 infinites, but it also included my favorite combo ever:
Urborg + Kormus Bell + Night of Souls' Betrayal. If I had a Mikaeus in play, only I could have lands. It was just so spiteful. The deck was titled FUCK YOU.dek
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
Also no changes to Commander but I don't think anybody was expecting otherwise on that front.
That Time Stretch and Omnipotence are still legal in a format where Worldfire is banned still fucking flabbergasts me.
don't forget palinchron and deadeye navigator!
I've never seen anyone do degenerate Palinchron shit in commander and Deadeye Navigator hasn't been egregious, anywhere I've played, since 2011 or so. That's not to say it doesn't happen, just that I guess I haven't been exposed to it for so long I forgot about it. I see Time Stretches and Omnipotences and Mind Over Matters pretty regularly, though, which are individually busted cards.
I have a memnarch deck I play online when I want to be a garbage man
I had a Mikaeus deck that I played when I wanted to be a garbage man. It included no fewer than 7 infinites, but it also included my favorite combo ever:
Urborg + Kormus Bell + Night of Souls' Betrayal. If I had a Mikaeus in play, only I could have lands. It was just so spiteful. The deck was titled FUCK YOU.dek
I could imagine frontier becoming a real format simply because it also has a physical characteristic on the cards that defines legality. I wouldn't even be surprised
I think a lot of people read more ban announcements as more bans so this result hopefully helps them realize that the second ban post is mostly for safety valve reasons
It funny. When the bannings happened they were shocking and everybody started to complain that wotc was going to now be ban crazy and use that power to much. Then we got near this banning announcment and people were suddenly out for blood.
I could imagine frontier becoming a real format simply because it also has a physical characteristic on the cards that defines legality. I wouldn't even be surprised
you can't use that physical characteristic to define legality because of supplemental sets tho
It funny. When the bannings happened they were shocking and everybody started to complain that wotc was going to now be ban crazy and use that power to much. Then we got near this banning announcment and people were suddenly out for blood.
Magic players angry over something WotC is doing? This is my shocked face. I am a shocked.
oh but they could and it would make the format GREAT.
I might just play mono-orange though (any card with an orange mythic printing, FTV, promos, etc. all count)
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KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
my most recent deck (Ertai the Corrupted/enchantments) is probably the most no-fun deck I've made yet, and even there I avoided putting in any infinites.
I could imagine frontier becoming a real format simply because it also has a physical characteristic on the cards that defines legality. I wouldn't even be surprised
I think a lot of people read more ban announcements as more bans so this result hopefully helps them realize that the second ban post is mostly for safety valve reasons
It funny. When the bannings happened they were shocking and everybody started to complain that wotc was going to now be ban crazy and use that power to much. Then we got near this banning announcment and people were suddenly out for blood.
Well, Standard is apparently pretty bad right now? Though I'm really not sure how much more or less than it has been in the past. I mean people say that is a 2-3 deck format, but - really - isn't it always? Sure occasionally another deck has a good weekend - and FNM stuff is a different beast - but Standard is almost always gonna come down to a few Best Decks. That's what happens when you have thousands and thousands of players working on a format. Like RTR/THS standard was Black Devotion, UW/UWx Control and U Devotion. Occasionally RG or Burn had a good weekend, but really it was those three decks.
It's not R&Ds fault either. People complain that they miss how good certain decks are, but, geez. There's only a few people (vs thousands after release) on that team testing for I imagine a few weeks (given that cards are constantly changing) during work hours (vs nearly infinite man hours over months). And their job is to test all the things and possible decks so your not having them really tune, for example, Mardu Vehicles into a precision killing machine.
And WOTC is screwed either way when it comes to Standard. They speed up rotation - allowing the format to be less stale - and people complain about the increased cost to keep up. The format does then become stale and people complain about that. They ban cards to freshen up the mets and players complain that they lost money or that they are afraid to invest in Standard. They decide not to ban the next time and people complain that they DIDNT ban anything because... the format is stale.
So unless - against all odds - they design a perfect Standard Metagame, they are screwed.
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ban everything that costs more than ten dollars
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StragintDo Not GiftAlways DeclinesRegistered Userregular
As far as my friends are concerned all of my decks except for Doran and Norin are degenerate garbage decks. Gonna a make a jank Jhoira deck to add to my list of trash.
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Also no changes to Commander but I don't think anybody was expecting otherwise on that front.
That Time Stretch and Omnipotence are still legal in a format where Worldfire is banned still fucking flabbergasts me.
don't forget palinchron and deadeye navigator!
I've never seen anyone do degenerate Palinchron shit in commander and Deadeye Navigator hasn't been egregious, anywhere I've played, since 2011 or so. That's not to say it doesn't happen, just that I guess I haven't been exposed to it for so long I forgot about it. I see Time Stretches and Omnipotences and Mind Over Matters pretty regularly, though, which are individually busted cards.
I have a memnarch deck I play online when I want to be a garbage man
I had a Mikaeus deck that I played when I wanted to be a garbage man. It included no fewer than 7 infinites, but it also included my favorite combo ever:
Urborg + Kormus Bell + Night of Souls' Betrayal. If I had a Mikaeus in play, only I could have lands. It was just so spiteful. The deck was titled FUCK YOU.dek
Also no changes to Commander but I don't think anybody was expecting otherwise on that front.
That Time Stretch and Omnipotence are still legal in a format where Worldfire is banned still fucking flabbergasts me.
don't forget palinchron and deadeye navigator!
I've never seen anyone do degenerate Palinchron shit in commander and Deadeye Navigator hasn't been egregious, anywhere I've played, since 2011 or so. That's not to say it doesn't happen, just that I guess I haven't been exposed to it for so long I forgot about it. I see Time Stretches and Omnipotences and Mind Over Matters pretty regularly, though, which are individually busted cards.
I have a memnarch deck I play online when I want to be a garbage man
I had a Mikaeus deck that I played when I wanted to be a garbage man. It included no fewer than 7 infinites, but it also included my favorite combo ever:
Urborg + Kormus Bell + Night of Souls' Betrayal. If I had a Mikaeus in play, only I could have lands. It was just so spiteful. The deck was titled FUCK YOU.dek
My no fun deck is augustin
Why do you have two no fun decks
don't forget I also play mono-u delver in pauper because I actually just hate this game
also memnarch is a fun deck that takes a long time to actually do things
also thinking about it, people keep talking about threats and answers, and how threats are better than answers, but dragons started a new trend that needs to be mentioned
answers against creatures are too bad, whereas answers against non-creature threats have traditionally been too good, while also in the colours that have had access to the too-good creatures
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
the big problem with magic is that blue exists as a color
I could imagine frontier becoming a real format simply because it also has a physical characteristic on the cards that defines legality. I wouldn't even be surprised
you can't use that physical characteristic to define legality because of supplemental sets tho
Well sure but niether do the modern card frames right?
I could imagine frontier becoming a real format simply because it also has a physical characteristic on the cards that defines legality. I wouldn't even be surprised
I think a lot of people read more ban announcements as more bans so this result hopefully helps them realize that the second ban post is mostly for safety valve reasons
It funny. When the bannings happened they were shocking and everybody started to complain that wotc was going to now be ban crazy and use that power to much. Then we got near this banning announcment and people were suddenly out for blood.
Well, Standard is apparently pretty bad right now? Though I'm really not sure how much more or less than it has been in the past. I mean people say that is a 2-3 deck format, but - really - isn't it always? Sure occasionally another deck has a good weekend - and FNM stuff is a different beast - but Standard is almost always gonna come down to a few Best Decks. That's what happens when you have thousands and thousands of players working on a format. Like RTR/THS standard was Black Devotion, UW/UWx Control and U Devotion. Occasionally RG or Burn had a good weekend, but really it was those three decks.
It's not R&Ds fault either. People complain that they miss how good certain decks are, but, geez. There's only a few people (vs thousands after release) on that team testing for I imagine a few weeks (given that cards are constantly changing) during work hours (vs nearly infinite man hours over months). And their job is to test all the things and possible decks so your not having them really tune, for example, Mardu Vehicles into a precision killing machine.
And WOTC is screwed either way when it comes to Standard. They speed up rotation - allowing the format to be less stale - and people complain about the increased cost to keep up. The format does then become stale and people complain about that. They ban cards to freshen up the mets and players complain that they lost money or that they are afraid to invest in Standard. They decide not to ban the next time and people complain that they DIDNT ban anything because... the format is stale.
So unless - against all odds - they design a perfect Standard Metagame, they are screwed.
Yes people say this standard sucks and the decks are stagnant but I can help thinking back to last standard when they said the same thing until more than two month in. Two deck came out of nowhere and crushed their respective tournaments and suddenly there were several decks and a lot of pros questioned whether the flash deck had ever been good at all. Of course people still hated that standard after the change.
The point is that I just dont trust magic players at this point. We've been getting "this format is stale and awful" articles since literally the weej after the protour. Its hard to feel like the community even tried in the face of that.
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At least SCG had a very interesting Modern tournament this weekend.
Yeah that was probably the lest-expected choice, strangely.
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That Time Stretch and Omnipotence are still legal in a format where Worldfire is banned still fucking flabbergasts me.
don't forget palinchron and deadeye navigator!
so what y'all are saying is ban islands
I've never seen anyone do degenerate Palinchron shit in commander and Deadeye Navigator hasn't been egregious, anywhere I've played, since 2011 or so. That's not to say it doesn't happen, just that I guess I haven't been exposed to it for so long I forgot about it. I see Time Stretches and Omnipotences and Mind Over Matters pretty regularly, though, which are individually busted cards.
I have a memnarch deck I play online when I want to be a garbage man
I had a Mikaeus deck that I played when I wanted to be a garbage man. It included no fewer than 7 infinites, but it also included my favorite combo ever:
Urborg + Kormus Bell + Night of Souls' Betrayal. If I had a Mikaeus in play, only I could have lands. It was just so spiteful. The deck was titled FUCK YOU.dek
My no fun deck is augustin
It funny. When the bannings happened they were shocking and everybody started to complain that wotc was going to now be ban crazy and use that power to much. Then we got near this banning announcment and people were suddenly out for blood.
you can't use that physical characteristic to define legality because of supplemental sets tho
I might just play mono-orange though (any card with an orange mythic printing, FTV, promos, etc. all count)
Unfun game-locking combos, yes; infinites, no.
Well, Standard is apparently pretty bad right now? Though I'm really not sure how much more or less than it has been in the past. I mean people say that is a 2-3 deck format, but - really - isn't it always? Sure occasionally another deck has a good weekend - and FNM stuff is a different beast - but Standard is almost always gonna come down to a few Best Decks. That's what happens when you have thousands and thousands of players working on a format. Like RTR/THS standard was Black Devotion, UW/UWx Control and U Devotion. Occasionally RG or Burn had a good weekend, but really it was those three decks.
It's not R&Ds fault either. People complain that they miss how good certain decks are, but, geez. There's only a few people (vs thousands after release) on that team testing for I imagine a few weeks (given that cards are constantly changing) during work hours (vs nearly infinite man hours over months). And their job is to test all the things and possible decks so your not having them really tune, for example, Mardu Vehicles into a precision killing machine.
And WOTC is screwed either way when it comes to Standard. They speed up rotation - allowing the format to be less stale - and people complain about the increased cost to keep up. The format does then become stale and people complain about that. They ban cards to freshen up the mets and players complain that they lost money or that they are afraid to invest in Standard. They decide not to ban the next time and people complain that they DIDNT ban anything because... the format is stale.
So unless - against all odds - they design a perfect Standard Metagame, they are screwed.
then they printed dragons
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Why do you have two no fun decks
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don't forget I also play mono-u delver in pauper because I actually just hate this game
also memnarch is a fun deck that takes a long time to actually do things
answers against creatures are too bad, whereas answers against non-creature threats have traditionally been too good, while also in the colours that have had access to the too-good creatures
i have good news for you about this standard
oh I know
Well sure but niether do the modern card frames right?
Yes people say this standard sucks and the decks are stagnant but I can help thinking back to last standard when they said the same thing until more than two month in. Two deck came out of nowhere and crushed their respective tournaments and suddenly there were several decks and a lot of pros questioned whether the flash deck had ever been good at all. Of course people still hated that standard after the change.
The point is that I just dont trust magic players at this point. We've been getting "this format is stale and awful" articles since literally the weej after the protour. Its hard to feel like the community even tried in the face of that.
I don't see how you can possibly say this outside of legacy
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